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    it states:

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    Did anyone download the Election Night Media Coverage?

    ALL of them seem to be deleted

    one observer commented:

    "I saw a thing earlier today, where a guy showed a video, that looked normal enough with the tracker at the bottom. Then he showed it again - doing a frame by frame. The example showed that one was 500'ish ahead and when the update hit- the bottom ticker hadn't. So, Biden went ahead by the same amount as Trump lost votes. You would only catch that in a frame by frame though, not just watching the video. My guess would be that they are being taken down so the right cannot investigate them further on the counts. Just my 2 cents."

    the video he speaks of can be seen here

    https://streamable.com/0m6g47#
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    Seven days in May
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    Lets hope it does not turn into a horror movie.
    Not a horror movie. An everything-at-stake thriller, more like Seven Days in May.

    That was a 2 hour movie, long for its day in 1964. (And one of the best of all time, too.) The analogy here is that we're only about 5 minutes in. There are many twists and turns to come.
    Seven Days in May, co-authored in 1962 by Fletcher Knebel, was supposedly futuristic, but by the time the movie (shot with Kennedy’s blessing) hit the screens it was already out of date. It may actually have contributed to what actually did happen. The backdrop of the story is nuclear disarmament. The big problem with a military putsch was, as suggested by President Lynam, that the pronuclear putschists would trigger a prompt Soviet attack. The whole thing is all too public: the Russians would know immediately that the country was in turmoil, i.e. extremely vulnerable.


    Now the real threat came not from the military but from the undercover agents of the CIA, who had a better idea. One day in November they would shoot the president and ensure continuity of government by installing the vice-president as their puppet. The very public assassination would cause an outpouring of popular grief, a superficial kind of vulnerability, while behind the scenes it would be an exhibition of strength. Conspiracy theories were manufactured in large quantities in order to drown out the conspiracy facts that were in danger of emerging, and maintain the two-layered system now in place.

    In 1968 Fletcher Knebel brought out Vanished, another novel on the same subject of nuclear disarmament, from the retrospective viewpoint of what needed to have been done. As I recall, a group of nuclear scientists go on strike, and mount a clandestine peaceful coup involving the White House and others, but deliberately cutting the CIA out of the loop. This leads in the end to the dismantling of the CIA, the one thing Kennedy wanted to do and no one has ever been able to do.

    Since those ancient days, things have moved on. The danger now appears to be coming from the Democratic Party itself. Everything has gone much deeper underground while normal politics continue to play out on the surface, although both sides have become more polarized. Trump is either idolized or demonized. And the Democrats are demonized as lefties and commies. This is nonsense: the East coast Ivy League Democrats are cut from the same cloth as the Eton to Oxford Tories in England, and the only leftist views are the constantly downtrodden views of Bernie Sanders. Both candidates have created for themselves a persona that has little or nothing to do with who they really are. It helps Trump’s cause to be seen as obnoxious and vile, just as it helps Biden’s cause cause to be seen as Mr Nice guy.

    Millions of people are reacting on this level, and whichever side they are on, they are part of the cover story. Whether they believe in concrete achievements or fancy promises in line with their own views, they are the alibi for a secret war which by definition is not supposed to be happening. This is the fake news that would appear to be real, as both the government and alternative outlets build up a case. Meanwhile, the bubble of the apparent reality of ordinary citizens at some point is going to burst, when the undercover operation finally goes public.

    The question then becomes, is this process reversible? In other words, are the Democrats really saving the US from some kind of takeover by the selfmade Trump against the huge Democrat machine? My own view, supposing I have one, is not relevant. But here are two data points that were key issues back in the sixties. One, Trump is accused of colluding with the Russians, just as Kennedy was — in order to snatch peace from the jaws of nuclear Armaggedon. Two, the Democrats are accused of election fraud. From a CIA/mafia standpoint, Kennedy was a mistake, but even back in 1960, the ballot was allegedly fixed in his favour by the Chicago mafia.

    One final question is of course: was this election conducted fairly? These things happen. See this discussion on what I called scandalously shoddy vote counting in the Scottish referendum as compared with the relatively transparent system used in France.
    Or this post on how Boris Johnson likely won last year’s election in the UK. Chicken feed.
    super fascinating! i'm going to take the time to peruse through it! thank you!
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    Seven days in May
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    Lets hope it does not turn into a horror movie.
    Not a horror movie. An everything-at-stake thriller, more like Seven Days in May.

    That was a 2 hour movie, long for its day in 1964. (And one of the best of all time, too.) The analogy here is that we're only about 5 minutes in. There are many twists and turns to come.
    super fascinating! i'm going to take the time to peruse through it! thank you!
    Here's the download link, valid till 15 November:

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    I just saw a brief video where Darin Southam asked Siri how old the President of the United States is and Siri answered that President Kamala Harris is 56 years old. Apparently this "error" with Siri was very recently corrected but I think that answer speaks volumes.

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    I have another friend who was there working with this woman. watch the first 20 minutes............................................We all know voter fraud happens every election but not on a blatant scale like this. Detroit area election

    Patty Of 100 Percent Fed Up Tells About Her Challenges At TCF Center https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEr2...ature=youtu.be

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    Seven days in May
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    Lets hope it does not turn into a horror movie.
    Not a horror movie. An everything-at-stake thriller, more like Seven Days in May.

    That was a 2 hour movie, long for its day in 1964. (And one of the best of all time, too.) The analogy here is that we're only about 5 minutes in. There are many twists and turns to come.
    super fascinating! i'm going to take the time to peruse through it! thank you!
    Here's the download link, valid till 15 November:
    you be awesome!
    going there now! thank you!
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    Quote Posted by selinam (here)
    Hi Jayke - where did you get this from?

    Thx
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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Despite what the corporate mainstream media will tell you, here’s where the election actually stands as of last night.

    Sorry my other post didn’t show properly. Was wondering where you got this image from?
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    Stop the Steal group on Gab.com

    Lots of other interesting points coming out on there as well but we’ve not got the embed code for Gab corrected yet on Avalon.

    Some of the legal contests being disputed for instance:
    https://gab.com/Mestra/posts/105181751831101445



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    JUST IN: President Donald Trump says he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary “effective immediately.”

    Christopher Miller had been previously confirmed by the Senate as the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center



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    "In a pair of tweets Monday afternoon, President Donald Trump said he terminated his Secretary of Defense Mark Esper."

    “I am pleased to announce that Christopher C. Miller, the highly respected Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (unanimously confirmed by the Senate), will be Acting Secretary of Defense, effective immediately,” Trump wrote."

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...fired/2713249/
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    JUST IN: President Donald Trump says he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary “effective immediately.”

    Christopher Miller had been previously confirmed by the Senate as the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center

    Not the only firing by the sound of it:

    https://gab.com/tacsgc/posts/105181930865176759

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    It's still astounding so many people have not twigged the difference.

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    It's almost like "they're" laughing at us, for not even noticing.

    Millions are waking from their trance, so there is hope.
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    Quote Posted by Jayke (here)
    Quote Posted by iota (here)
    JUST IN: President Donald Trump says he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary “effective immediately.”

    Christopher Miller had been previously confirmed by the Senate as the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center

    Not the only firing by the sound of it:

    https://gab.com/tacsgc/posts/105181930865176759
    Jayke?

    what do you make of this?
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    PA Lawsuit: 21K Deceased on Voter Rolls, Evidence of Voting Activity After Death
    Posted on November 5th, 2020

    92% Died More than a Year Ago

    (HARRISBURG, PA.) – November 5, 2020: The Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) filed an amended lawsuit against the Pennsylvania Department of State for failing to reasonably maintain voter registration records under federal and state law (Public Interest Legal Foundation v. Boockvar).

    The Public Interest Legal Foundation recently found at least 21,000 apparently deceased registrants on Pennsylvania’s voter rolls in the final weeks of the 2020 Election cycle. The Foundation’s amended complaint, filed today, notes in part:

    “[A]as of October 7, 2020, at least 9,212 registrants have been dead for at least five years, at least 1,990 registrants have been dead for at least ten years, and at least 197 registrants have been dead for at least twenty years … Pennsylvania still left the names of more than 21,000 dead individuals on the voter rolls less than a month before one of the most consequential general elections for federal officeholders in many years.”

    The filing also raises voter list maintenance concerns regarding voting credits granted to registrants after federally listed dates of death and new voter registrations established after death.

    “This case is about ensuring that those deceased registrants are not receiving ballots,” PILF President and General Counsel J. Christian Adams said. “This case isn’t complicated. For nearly a year, we’ve been offering specific data on deceased registrants to Pennsylvania officials for proper handling ahead of what was expected to be a tight outcome on Election Day. When you push mail voting, your voter list maintenance mistakes made years ago will come back to haunt in the form of unnecessary recipients and nagging questions about unreturned or outstanding ballots.”

    Highlighted Areas of Concern

    — # of Apparently deceased registrants on Pennsylvania’s voter roll as of October 2020: 21,000

    — 92% of apparently deceased registrants died before October 2019

    — # of Registration established federally listed dates of death: 114

    — # of Registrations showing voting credits after federally listed dates of death in 2016, 2018: 216

    The Foundation seeks relief under Section 8 of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993, which requires officials to make “reasonable efforts” to maintain voter lists and offers a private right to file a lawsuit if standards are not met.

    The Public Interest Legal Foundation is leading the nation in enforcing election integrity laws and the National Voter Registration Act, having brought cases in North Carolina, Virginia Pennsylvania, Michigan, Maryland, Florida, Illinois, Mississippi, Texas, and Maine and filed amicus briefs in litigation across the nation.

    The case was originally filed in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania. The case number is No. 1:20-cv-01905. The attorneys for the Public Interest Legal Foundation are Sue Becker, John Eastman, and Bradley J. Schlozman. Linda A. Kerns serves as local counsel.

    Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is a 501(c)(3) public interest law firm dedicated to election integrity. The Foundation exists to assist states and others to aid the cause of election integrity and fight against lawlessness in American elections. Drawing on numerous experts in the field, PILF seeks to protect the right to vote and preserve the Constitutional framework of American elections."

    https://publicinterestlegal.org/blog...y-after-death/
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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    The image address shows it’s from gab.com. I couldn’t find the specific address because it’s an image/media attachment.
    Quote Posted by selinam (here)
    Hi Jayke - where did you get this from?

    Thx
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    Despite what the corporate mainstream media will tell you, here’s where the election actually stands as of last night.

    Sorry my other post didn’t show properly. Was wondering where you got this image from?
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    Thanks RunningDeer!!

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    Quote Posted by iota (here)
    JUST IN: President Donald Trump says he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary “effective immediately.”

    Christopher Miller had been previously confirmed by the Senate as the Director of the National Counterterrorism Center

    Not the only firing by the sound of it:

    https://gab.com/tacsgc/posts/105181930865176759
    Jayke?

    what do you make of this?
    Too early to speculate but Trump has had a post-election firing list ready to roll since before the election. Mostly people who’ve blocked certain actions or blocked the release of certain reports to the public.

    ========
    If President Trump wins re-election, he'll move to immediately fire FBI Director Christopher Wray and also expects to replace CIA Director Gina Haspel and Defense Secretary Mark Esper, two people who've discussed these officials' fates with the president tell Axios.

    The big picture: The list of planned replacements is much longer, but these are Trump's priorities, starting with Wray.

    Wray and Haspel are despised and distrusted almost universally in Trump's inner circle. He would have fired both already, one official said, if not for the political headaches of acting before Nov. 3.
    Why it matters: A win, no matter the margin, will embolden Trump to ax anyone he sees as constraining him from enacting desired policies or going after perceived enemies.

    Trump last week signed an executive order that set off alarm bells as a means to politicize the civil service. An administration official said the order "is a really big deal" that would make it easier for presidents to get rid of career government officials.
    There could be shake-ups across other departments. The president has never been impressed with Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, for example. But that doesn't carry the urgency of replacing Wray or Haspel.
    The nature of top intelligence and law enforcement posts has traditionally carried an expectation for a higher degree of independence and separation from politics.
    Be smart: While Trump has also privately vented about Attorney General Bill Barr, he hasn't made any formal plans to replace him, an official said.

    Trump is furious that Barr isn't releasing before the election what Trump hoped would be a bombshell report by U.S. Attorney John Durham on the Obama administration's handling of the Trump-Russia investigation.
    Durham's investigation has yet to produce any high-profile indictments of Obama-era officials as Trump had hoped.
    "The attorney general wants to finish the work that he's been involved in since day one," a senior administration official told Axios.
    Behind the scenes: "The view of Haspel in the West Wing is that she still sees her job as manipulating people and outcomes, the way she must have when she was working assets in the field," one source with direct knowledge of the internal conversations told Axios. "It's bred a lot of suspicion of her motives."

    Trump is also increasingly frustrated with Haspel for opposing the declassification of documents that would help the Justice Department's Durham report.
    A source familiar with conversations at the CIA says, "Since the beginning of DNI's push to declassify documents, and how strongly she feels about protecting sources connected to those materials, there have been rumblings around the agency that the director plans to depart the CIA regardless of who wins the election.”
    As for Wray, whose expected firing was first reported by The Daily Beast, Trump is angry his second FBI chief didn't launch a formal investigation into Hunter Biden's foreign business connections — and didn't purge more officials Trump believes abused power to investigate his 2016 campaign's ties to Russia.

    Trump also grew incensed when Wray testified in September that the FBI has not seen widespread election fraud, including with mail-in ballots.
    A senior FBI official tells Axios: "Major law enforcement associations representing current and former FBI agents as well as police and sheriff's departments across the country have consistently expressed their full support of Director Wray's leadership of the Bureau."
    Trump soured on Esper over the summer when the Defense secretary rebuffed the idea of sending active-duty military into the streets to deal with racial justice protests and distanced himself from the clearing of Lafayette Square for a photo op at St. John's church.

    Trump indicated to Axios then that he "really wasn't focused on" firing Esper. One senior official cautioned that others who want the Pentagon job could be driving speculation to undercut Esper. But one source, who discussed options with Trump, told Axios he urged the president to wait until post-election to replace him.
    ======

    The incoming secretary of defense has an interesting skillset:
    Quote In January 2020, Miller moved to the Department of Defense and was sworn into his role as assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict. According to the DOD, Miller was responsible for “overseeing the employment of special operations forces in counterterrorism, Military Information Support Operations (MISO), Information Operations, unconventional warfare, irregular warfare, direct action, special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, counter proliferation, sensitive special operations, and personnel recovery/hostage issues as specified by the Secretary of Defense.”
    Hopefully this is the guy that helped catch all the fraud in this election and this new job is his reward. But everything’s still too up in the air to say anything specific yet.

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    Another Mod note from Bill:

    We already have a thread, that's public and has always been open, titled Trump is NOT the answer.

    I've moved a handful of posts from this thread (which is about Biden having been announced by the mainstream media as the victor) to that one, where criticism of Trump's policies and personality can be shared. We've had that thread available to all for 4 years.

    However, as always, we reserve the right to delete or edit any posts not for their factual content, but for the WAY they may be expressed.

    That matters. Please be the change you want to see in the world.

    Here's an example of an admirable Trump-critical post that I copy here as a case study of a strong opinion that was expressed immaculately, and which I thanked. (I moved that post too, only because the Trump is NOT the answer thread is a better home for it. Below is what Deneon wrote which I truly respect. Kudos to him.

    Tinman, you might a leaf from his book. I'd be really interested to share a coffee with Deneon to discuss his views. I think we'd have an interesting and intelligent conversation, and both might learn something from each other.

    With yourself, I might decline the offer, because on the evidence you present about yourself (not Trump) the experience might not be courteous or pleasant.

    Quote Posted by Deneon (here)
    Let me preface this that if there has been any voter fraud or irregularities, that should be brought to light. If that means Trump actually won, so be it.

    Having said that, I really don't understand the support for Trump on this forum. He is about a spiritually aware as a pair of tweezers.

    I would think that most people on this forum would choose love over hate, unity over division, kindness over anger and truth above lies. I can understand that you like some of what he and his administration have done over the past 4 years. You can agree or disagree with that. But this man has never uttered a kind word out of his mouth, does everything he can to divide the american people, has demonstrably told lies everyday for the past 4 years and I doubt he loves anything or anyone but himself. I won't even say he's sexist and racist, because that could lead to heated debates. But the 4 points I mentioned before I don't think are up for debate, right?

    I understand he's an outsider, but does that mean he is a good president to lead the USA? You could put a baboon in office and the same thing can be said. Would that be a good idea? The end (ending the globalist elite control) does not justify the means (supporting this horrible, narcissistic bully). I don't believe he will actually make a dent in the global elite control, but even *if* you believe that.. Can you really look past this man's personality, and character? I can't, and I don't understand how so many people apparently can. Especially on a forum like this.
    Very nice post by Deneon. I don't know how calling Trump a baboon and horrible narcissistic bully and questioning how anyone could vote for him is more polite than Tinman's post though.

    Disappearing comments to forum Siberia is particularly telling and indicates bias on your part, imho.

    Do better, Bill. Please, just do better. You've lost the respect of many former members and you seem to be working on losing the respect of current members sitting in the shadows feeling too overwhelmed by the alt-right to post here.
    Dear AutumnW

    i know you didn't ask me, ... but this is kind of disrupting my thread, so if i may? ... and T too ...

    THIS issue IS crucial because it is actually a part of the agenda ...

    the "PC" Politically Correct movement is one of THE MOST INSIDIOUS and SUBVERSIVE movements of our time

    it just SEEMS to be SO ... yukky > "NICE"

    and it is ANYTHING BUT ...

    it sets CLEAR parameters/fences where your thoughts MUST conform to and all around you are enjoined to "police" you if you get out of the "approved" parameters

    it is a HUGE part of the Control System and takeover that is underway

    and NO ONE talks about it
    like pretending its not real

    it is SO vital and important that the situation we currently find ourselves in this disputed election would NOT have been possible without it
    (literally ALL have been "trained" to go along with the accepted Social Narrative


    as i tell the young kids
    (and i mean EVERY SINGLE ONE who crosses paths with me)

    "so sad for you they've stolen your mind"

    confused look on their face

    "well ... yea ... in MY day the biggie was Freedom of Speech
    you poor souls don't even get Freedom to Think .."

    as they now give me their full attention, i continue

    "You'll actually NEVER know if you TRULY are so ... what do you call it? "open minded"?
    because if you DARE think
    much less EXPRESS an opinion outside of what is "accepted"
    YOUR friends will jump down your throat and reel you in
    am i right?"

    "and no balls i see ..

    none to say:
    "hey, i tell you what, YOU think whatever YOU want!
    and I'll think AND LIKE whatever i want, ok?"


    its ok if people disapprove
    it's ok to NOT care also
    subjecting yourself to the "approval" or disapproval of another"
    is outright relinquishment of your personal power

    i operate in ACCEPTANCE and ALLOWANCE
    and immediately SHUT down ANY and ALL attempts to drag me into
    APPROVAL and/or AGREEMENT

    (why? because i didn't ask for anyone's approval
    not in my habit to do so
    this is far from rude
    rude is to ask/expect me to conform to the standards of another)
    more that rude ~ outright oppressive

    to go to issue at hand

    Tinman just is pissed
    if he's not?
    he sure sounds that way
    and that just CANNOT be a newsflash to him
    NOR can it be that people do NOT want to be around that

    i know
    i've met his type ALL of my life
    actually, they count among some very good friends i have

    i tend to understand ...

    its like an orange
    ONLY orange juice can come out of an orange
    it doesn't matter who squeezes it ~ you or me, ONLY orange juice will come out

    an angry person inside CANNOT put out anything else
    ONLY what is inside CAN come out

    dear Tinman, i mean no disrespect, i can't imagine what i just said as being news to you
    If it is? please read and re-read your comment
    if you can't see the anger in there?
    now we're moving into issues of denial

    now ... anger is just a feeling
    no biggie

    but actively wishing harm or suffering on someone?
    i'm little (only 5 ft tall) but if i met you in person?
    and you said that in front of me?
    things wouldn't go so well

    so it goes like this

    in MY group
    (yes i actually HAVE a group called ACCEPTANCE & ALLOWANCE)
    people ALL over the world in there ~ Diverse group ~ and we are TIGHT


    WHY?

    because we are granted FREEDOM of BEING

    it looks like this and i'd have to log on to censorland to see exactly, but it is along the lines of:

    we are ALL adults and as such

    we don't subject anything about ourselves to the "approval" or "agreement" of ANYONE
    so if you see something here and are just SO tempted to jump in to DIS-approve or DIS-agree
    DON'T
    one of us, if not ALL of us will remind you
    that though you would like YOUR disapproval to be OUR problem?
    it isn't
    we're not 5 and going to run to our sandbox and cry because YOU "don't like something", ok?

    so instead we will operate under
    Acceptance and Allowance
    of one another to be Sovereign unto our own minds and preferences
    and we're NOT asking for permission, ok
    ?


    so ...

    Deneon didn't call Trump a baboon ~ he gave an example
    he's grown up so he gets to do that"

    Tinman attacked and wished harm
    won't be tolerated
    not amongst decent folk of ANY political persuasion

    in this thread?

    PLEASE authentically express beliefs and sentiments as applies to you
    whether i agree or not?
    i will staunchly defend your right to do so

    attack?
    or
    insult?

    and they'll have to defend you from me

    i reserve the right to like what i like
    and i will defend your right to the same


    works beautifully even on a global level
    ask my group <3
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    betrayal of Self, is betrayal nonetheless and betrayal of the HIGHEST kind ...

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    Did the media call states too early? The dark journalist believes so, he clearly explains how Biden was DECLARED the winner by the media however the scores could actually be level and we might need to go into injury time! It is even quite possible neither can reach the magical 270 votes and that is why the Media called it so early.


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    President Trump has just made an announcement some are interpreting to mean that identification was not enough to make it a valid vote



    this comes shortly after the termination of Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. It is rumored that Esper was reaching out to Biden's transition team already. The move by President Trump is interpreted by some as his taking control of the military.

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    here is the DoD on Chris Miller it begins by stating:

    "U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSEU.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

    Christopher C. Miller
    Formerly Performing the Duties of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict.

    of interest is:

    "Mr. Miller was responsible for overseeing the employment of special operations forces in counterterrorism, Military Information Support Operations (MISO), Information Operations, unconventional warfare, irregular warfare, direct action, special reconnaissance, foreign internal defense, counter proliferation, sensitive special operations, and personnel recovery/hostage issues as specified by the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Miller was sworn in as the DASD for SOCT on Jan. 6, 2020."

    https://www.defense.gov/Our-Story/Bi...pher-c-miller/

    "
    betrayal of Self, is betrayal nonetheless and betrayal of the HIGHEST kind ...

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    Mod note from Bill:

    I've just moved several posts from here to the Trump is NOT the answer thread that I think more properly belong there.

    What I would want to point out as another reminder, to avoid more unpleasant mudfighting, is that there's an easy way to ignore members who you might find irritating right now — whoever you are, and whatever your political values may be. Please see this thread:
    And copied below is the post I made there a couple days ago. There are several interesting replies to that which follow, as well.

    ~~~
    I'm drawing attention again to this thread because at a time when many people's emotions may be running a little high, some members are sure to be posting some things that may irk others.

    The common factor is that many people are feeling a need to express themselves — whatever it is that they want to express. And that's 100% fine. It has to be.

    So to avoid being irked by someone, it may well be easiest, kindest, and leave less mud on the walls NOT to get into firefights with anyone whose posts feel upsetting — but simply to ignore them.

    This thread explains how to do that, and it's very very simple. The irksome people, whoever they may be for you, will just [almost!] vanish. Not from everyone else's view... but just from yours.




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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    It's still astounding so many people have not twigged the difference.

    Attachment 45041

    It's almost like "they're" laughing at us, for not even noticing.

    Millions are waking from their trance, so there is hope.
    You're probably too young to know this but as you age the distance between the base of your nose and your upper lip lengthens. Your nose also changes. The ears and nose are the only parts of the body that keep growing, until death. That's why little old men sometimes look like big eared proboscis monkeys when they hit their eighty's.

    He's aged. That's all.

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