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    Default My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    I live in a democratic state and small town out side NYC. I drove thru it today, sat outside and joined a group of strangers for a beer and got a feel for the town in general.

    There was no over celebration or anything liked that. But it was calm, happy and peaceful far as I could tell. There was a general feeling of relief, that its over!

    "Perception "is the word that kept talking to me. How true it is, that it is not truth, but perception of truth that governs people.

    First off, my feeling is Trump supporters are generally more kind, friendly and tolerant.They are less likely to create violence or cause a fight over this result which is highly disappointing to them. I doubt this would be true the other way around.

    Trump supporters will accept and do their best to move on. This is so radically NOT the perception from non Trump people towards trump supporters.

    Perception of Trump, is what people go by. If I gave an actual list of facts on paper of what he accomplished without saying who did it, most people would say hey wow, thats great.
    Many may say, wow, was that Obama? Clinton

    But the perception of who Trump is, nullifies all these good things. It amazes me.
    No War in 4 years alone is a first! amazing, let alone things like a bill for Autism, for The Native Americans, for prison and crime reform, bringing Israel and Arab nations a little closer, bringing jobs home , energy independence, gas at 2$, well, the list is quite long.

    But its perception that matters. He is perceived, and I credit the corrupt and biased media and tech companies for this, as being unlikeable, a racist , another hitler and so on.

    So maybe this is how it needs to go. Just the violent unrest being cancelled alone will be worth it in short term.

    But wait till reality hits. What door has now been opened, that will not be so easy to close.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Thanks Doug, I think it's not over yet. There will be back and fourth as Trump does not take no as an
    answer. The higher echelon who really decide in advance, will have their way.

    Well, that's how I see it at this point.
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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Sorry but perception is in the eye of the beholder. Trump spewed hatred of anyone not of his core group and did everything he could to divide the county. Look at his tweets and tell me he thought of anyone but himself. He is a classic narcissist and will not except defeat because it is not in his nature.I have a son who has down syndrome and the thing that turned me off to him the most was when he mocked a reporter who had a disability. There are two types of people in this world, those who care about others and those who only care about themselves. I am glad this election is over because the rest of the world was laughing at the U.S. with him as our leader.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Actually, it's not true to say Trump didn't start any new wars.

    He did.

    A really big one. It ain't over yet, any more than the London Blitz was the end of WW2. We're about 4.5 years into this one. WW2 lasted 6.
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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    I'd love to look at his tweets, I'd also like everyone to be able to, but, alas, his tweets are blocked. Or I'd like more to have the media televise THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ADDRESS THE PEOPLE.

    He has been shadow banned and has no voice. This alone is unacceptable. One side has been effectively silenced.

    Even more to the point, the media has declared the winner of the office of President of the United States. Is this where we have descended to? Is the media now the arbiter of government? Are they the official narrative, whether the president approves or not is of no consequence? We do not need to know the facts, so we can decide for ourselves? We just get the one side of the story, broadcast far and wide, while the other side has to use alternate sources with limited exposure?

    For four years the president has been hobbled by the media and mired in legal battles for his very freedom, and perhaps his life. Is this how the land of the free comports itself?

    And then to have an election turned into this display of fraudulent and treasonous complicity between big tech, the media, and the democratic party is a joke. Very few, in their hearts believe this election was fair. Most know it was fixed from long ago, perhaps since the day Trump was elected and before when the writing was already on the wall.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Unfortunately there are two sides to what we have to decide.
    We may hate a President because of his personality and being egotistical or greedy or
    what ever but agree with what is best for the country.

    Also there is always the other side, who may be a hell of a lot worse as we have seen in
    recent past, not to mention names.

    Just my take on things.
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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Frodo13 and the rest of the world isnt laughable?

    i go by his accomplishments, i dont give a crap about his bedside manner.

    a complete outsider non politician PT Barnum blew them all away

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    10 or so of his pals are in prison for various crimes from money laundering to bank fraud to illegal campaign payoffs. Trump came from the swamp of Wall Street which is a as bad if not worse than the DC SWAMP. Corruption is his middle name, he will be in prison within the year. He is the unnamed defendant in a lot of those case. Muller didn"t bring charges against him because he is a sitting president. He is a Russian puppet and is was doing there work of undermining our democratic system for him. Google negative things Trump has said about Putin it is a short list.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Thank you Painter Doug and Frodo 13 for your observations. I personally didn't want any of the old white men for president, Trump, Sanders or Biden. I think it is time for a younger generation to lead this country.

    However, I do believe Joe Biden is a decent, compassionate man who will do the best he can to move this country forward in a positive way. We should all give him a chance. As American citizens that's the least we can do.

    There has been way too much hate and drama in our country in the last few years. It's time we all do our own part, no matter how small, to bring some peace and stability to the world around our everyday life.

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    I'm on board with painter Doug and trumps accomplishments. Anybody that thinks that Washington dc is a play by the rules town hasn't got off the merry go round at the carnival. Trump and his entire family and friends have been harassed since before he was even sworn in. Remember the Congress woman who said when President Trump was President elect, we need to impeach the mother fxxxxx. As for the prestigious Mueller investigation that got paid over 30 million, if they were so holier than art thou why did all of the Mueller team wipe all of their cell phones clean before they turned them in. President trump is not a polished politician, he's an American citizen who doesn't drink or smoke, who stepped away from his business to make America great again,he's a father grandfather, and a husband to one of the most successful and accomplished first ladies we have had in a long time.president Trump speaks with all of his kids everyday. And he donated his entire salary to charitable organizations since he became President. I own a small business and I can tell you my business as well as many others have been doing great since Trump got in office that was until this virus hit. You can't deny prior to this virus even minority unemployment were at the lowest levels in 50 years. None of us had to like or even agree with President trump , but riding this wave of making America great again felt pretty good.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    I was wondering where to post the following sentiments; this thread is as good as any.

    To be blunt, the United States is on the verge of Civil War, whether those walking around who are oblivious to this reality realize it or not. The country was a polarized powder keg before the election; pushing the false narrative that Biden has won the Presidency is nothing short of treason.

    First, in response to Frodo13, and contrary to the contrived narrative, Trump did not divide the country. Donald Trump usurped power unexpectedly and blindsided an established power structure caught off guard. In other words, the election of Donald Trump was a Black Swan event in their world, and ever since November 8, 2016, they have been engaged in a psyop on the people and have been on offense to rectify the DJT assault on their power domaine accustomed to installing puppet Presidents. This should be abundantly clear to anyone paying attention. The media, i.e., the lapdogs and public relations networks employed by this power structure to fashion public sentiment to serve their agenda, divided the country. By design. So those like Frodo13 would insist on removing the offensive item. The Usurper in Chief.

    Let me be clear. Those detractors and enemies of Donald Trump are enemies and detractors of we the people. Period.

    I can think of no better example to support the statement above than to point out what the MSM has done by prematurely declaring Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 election. The execution of the current psyop on the people perpetrated by the MSM is nothing short of crimes against humanity and treasonous. Why? Because it will very likely lead to violence and Civil War. There are millions and millions of people who are still influenced and under the spell of the mind-control MSM program who now believe Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States. Can we stop for a minute to think about this? How dangerous is this? You think the country was divided before? God help us. When those millions of automatons learn that Hitler-incarnate is stealing the election from Biden, after MSM allowed them to celebrate in the streets, there will be Biblical consequences. There may be a succession of States, headed by Nancy Pelosi et. al, and possibly a formal military deployment to engage a 2nd American Civil War.

    This, or course, is a win/win for TPTB who want an American Civil War. If the courts side with Trump (and they quite possibly will--election fraud is off the charts, without which Trump won in a landslide)--those whose minds are controlled by the MSM narrative who believe Joe Biden is the lawful President will blow a gasket. If Biden's criminal cartel prevails, the first thing we will see in the agenda of gutting the American Republic and executing the NWO Reset will be a series of mass shootings, which will galvanize public support to eliminate the 2nd Amendment. This, of course, is the line in the sand for that sea of red that is the vast majority of the American Republic.

    Either scenario, Civll War is nearly impossible to avoid. The MSM has just fomented the inevitable, for which they are criminally culpable. If/when the dust settles, and if we the people are still standing and not slaves, we MUST hold them accountable.
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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    I would agree with everything sandy in Atlanta said but let's go back to the core bush election, it took 36 days to settle the results to make sure we had a fair and accurate election count of the American people. It's only day 4 since the election and the news media is in a rush to close the door and slam it shut on the actual voting totals of the American people . Just yesterday it was announced in a county just north of where I live that 6000 votes switched to Biden instead of Trump, and what's worse is that same software to count votes were used in all swing states And over 50 counties here in Michigan . None of us have seen rallies in all states like the Trump rallies . 50,000 plus attended rallies in Michigan and Pennsylvania, 6 miles of cars in Arizona. Biden had nobody showing up. For the purpose of fair and honest elections at this point we need to let the legal process take place and not the media deciding who is President. Once that has been done I will respect whoever is elected president. To not follow that process is a disgrace to all who have given their life for our country so we can live in a free and open society of the usa.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    As Trump himself has stated: The media does not choose the president, the people do. Don't be herded into this false perception, the election is invalidated by the level of criminal malpractice, observers being excluded from counting, mass ballots which are 100% Biden votes being secreted in with the rest. Why was the counting called off at a given point, only later to re-start with a surprising boost in Biden votes? There are too many anomalies. Just because the rioting and violence has been called off don't be falsely assured. Are American people truly democratic, or will they accept this obvious sham? I am disgusted, I feel sick, I cannot stand this outrageous calamity, this is a very tragic time for the world.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    I was wondering where to post the following sentiments; this thread is as good as any.

    To be blunt, the United States is on the verge of Civil War, whether those walking around who are oblivious to this reality realize it or not. The country was a polarized powder keg before the election; pushing the false narrative that Biden has won the Presidency is nothing short of treason.

    First, in response to Frodo13, and contrary to the contrived narrative, Trump did not divide the country. Donald Trump usurped power unexpectedly and blindsided an established power structure caught off guard. In other words, the election of Donald Trump was a Black Swan event in their world, and ever since November 8, 2016, they have been engaged in a psyop on the people and have been on offense to rectify the DJT assault on their power domaine accustomed to installing puppet Presidents. This should be abundantly clear to anyone paying attention. The media, i.e., the lapdogs and public relations networks employed by this power structure to fashion public sentiment to serve their agenda, divided the country. By design. So those like Frodo13 would insist on removing the offensive item. The Usurper in Chief.

    Let me be clear. Those detractors and enemies of Donald Trump are enemies and detractors of we the people. Period.

    I can think of no better example to support the statement above than to point out what the MSM has done by prematurely declaring Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 election. The execution of the current psyop on the people perpetrated by the MSM is nothing short of crimes against humanity and treasonous. Why? Because it will very likely lead to violence and Civil War. There are millions and millions of people who are still influenced and under the spell of the mind-control MSM program who now believe Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States. Can we stop for a minute to think about this? How dangerous is this? You think the country was divided before? God help us. When those millions of automatons learn that Hitler-incarnate is stealing the election from Biden, after MSM allowed them to celebrate in the streets, there will be Biblical consequences. There may be a succession of States, headed by Nancy Pelosi et. al, and possibly a formal military deployment to engage a 2nd American Civil War.

    This, or course, is a win/win for TPTB who want an American Civil War. If the courts side with Trump (and they quite possibly will--election fraud is off the charts, without which Trump won in a landslide)--those whose minds are controlled by the MSM narrative who believe Joe Biden is the lawful President will blow a gasket. If Biden's criminal cartel prevails, the first thing we will see in the agenda of gutting the American Republic and executing the NWO Reset will be a series of mass shootings, which will galvanize public support to eliminate the 2nd Amendment. This, of course, is the line in the sand for that sea of red that is the vast majority of the American Republic.

    Either scenario, Civll War is nearly impossible to avoid. For which the MSM is criminally culpable. If/when the dust settles, and if we the people are still standing and not slaves, we MUST hold them accountable.
    Very well stated T Smith!

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    All that is playing out now was seen by remote viewers and some insiders, going to supreme court and the players exposed. In the end Trump gets sworn in Jan.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

    First off, my feeling is Trump supporters are generally more kind, friendly and tolerant.They are less likely to create violence or cause a fight over this result which is highly disappointing to them. I doubt this would be true the other way around.

    Trump supporters will accept and do their best to move on. This is so radically NOT the perception from non Trump people towards trump supporters.
    I agree with you, for the most part, Trump supporters are going to be peaceful and reluctantly accept Biden as president but several things must change.
    • People must have a real or perceived feeling that the election was honest. This is critical to the country moving on. Trump supporters do not and will not have that feeling without change.
    • Stopping the election in mid progress is wrong on so many levels, this must never be done again otherwise we will have civil unrest like we have never seen before.
    • Elections must be transparent and observed by both parties, no longer can Democrats lock out the opposition which is exactly what happened in this election.
    • We must limit mail voting, not eliminate but limit absentee ballots, have people show picture id's and purge to rolls of dead voters and illegal voters.
    • I think everyone including Biden supporters know that the mainstream media played a major role in this election, people will start pushing back and without change, it will get very ugly.
    • I think everyone knows that Google, FB and Twitter played favorites in this election. Change must be mandatory in the distribution of information.
    • This is more long term but something must be done about lobbyist. They are keeping the country at war and their money is corrupting the election process and has been for a long time.
    No one seems to be talking about this but it going to be a real problem.
    The Democrat party is about ready to go into a major civil war. There are many liberal voters that wanted to get rid of Trump but they want nothing to do with the extreme left which has grown to a sizeable number. These moderate liberals and inner-city minorities do not want to defund the police. They do not support higher taxes, higher gas prices, higher utility prices or the oil companies shut down. Many do not support the green new deal.

    When (not if) Joe Biden steps down from office and Harris is installed this will cause a moment of calm but it will eventually erupt into something very ugly. She is an unlikeable person that has an extreme ideology. She couldn't even make it through the first Democrat primary election, even her own party did not support her. The problems with Harris will arise on the left -- not on the right.

    If no thought is put into concessions, meaningful change and if a radical agenda is put forward all bets are off, we could then be on the brink of something that we have not been through since the 1860's.

    I am working under the belief that the Democrats will successfully win this election under very suspicious circumstances.
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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Conspiracy theories are just disgruntled individuals ways of dealing with reality. Where is the proof. making a accusation is not evidence. A software that changes votes sounds like paranoid delusions like flat earth theory.The University of Loyola law professor Justin Levitt did a study of a over a billion votes from 2000 to 2014 and found 31 cases.There are safe guards in all states to protect votes. MSM has its agenda but come on folks the Republicans have filed lawsuits with many states and nothing has come of them, get a copy of the software and give it to Fox news and then come back and we can talk.When i first joined Avalon it was about my thirst for knowledge and interesting stories others had to tell not about politics and plots to take over the world by some unseen forces and doom and gloom. Come on we can to better than this

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Quote A software that changes votes sounds like paranoid delusions like flat earth theory.
    You are not familiar with how very easy it is to program voting machines or hack the vote in any number of places in the process. As a computer programmer myself I know VERY well how easy it is to do so. It can be programmed to give you a receipt confirming your vote for candidate A while giving it to candidate B. And it can be programmed to keep a count of the vote and give a specific percentage of votes to any candidate to give them just over 50%, as one example, and much, much more.

    By law voting machines cannot be examined by a judge for such programming as they are privately owned and the programming code is proprietary.

    Listen to this programmer telling a judge under oath he did just that. There are many videos still on YT with even more information on how it's done if you will go look. Many articles and studies as well. See for yourself.



    And just came across this one from a very high level software engineer.

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Quote Posted by Franny (here)
    Quote A software that changes votes sounds like paranoid delusions like flat earth theory.
    You are not familiar with how very easy it is to program voting machines or hack the vote in any number of places in the process. As a computer programmer myself I know VERY well how easy it is to do so. It can be programmed to give you a receipt confirming your vote for candidate A while giving it to candidate B. And it can be programmed to keep a count of the vote and give a specific percentage of votes to any candidate to give them just over 50%, as one example, and much, much more.

    By law voting machines cannot be examined by a judge for such programming as they are privately owned and the programming code is proprietary.

    Listen to this programmer telling a judge under oath he did just that. There are many videos still on YT with even more information on how it's done if you will go look. Many articles and studies as well. See for yourself.

    A lot of people believe that what they see on screen, is what is actually happening at the background process Just a simple flag switch is all that is needed, at the very core. But hard to explain otherwise

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    Default Re: My initial observation of my town since Biden declared the president elect

    Quote Posted by frodo13 (here)
    Conspiracy theories are just disgruntled individuals ways of dealing with reality. Where is the proof. making a accusation is not evidence. A software that changes votes sounds like paranoid delusions like flat earth theory.The University of Loyola law professor Justin Levitt did a study of a over a billion votes from 2000 to 2014 and found 31 cases.There are safe guards in all states to protect votes. MSM has its agenda but come on folks the Republicans have filed lawsuits with many states and nothing has come of them, get a copy of the software and give it to Fox news and then come back and we can talk.When i first joined Avalon it was about my thirst for knowledge and interesting stories others had to tell not about politics and plots to take over the world by some unseen forces and doom and gloom. Come on we can to better than this
    What about the dead people who voted Frodo? That’s a conspiracy theory as well? You need an ID to buy a pack of cigarettes in this country. Yet you can cast a vote for the President of the United States via a mail in ballot without even verification of who actually signed? If all these things seem trivial to you or don’t raise any suspicions in your analytical mind then you’re probably in the wrong forum mate.

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