The True Roots Of Communism: A Satanic Cult

[EnergyGem]

The U.S. election is a battle between good and evil in the world.

People are becoming more and more aware of just how deeply communists roots have sunk into American politics, schools and institutions.

But what is Communism at it's root?

"I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above .. ."

" The idea of God is the keynote of a perverted civilization. It must be destroyed."

- Karl Marx



Communism is actually a satanic cult at it's root. This satanic cult has penetrated many different organizations culminating in commissioning Karl Marx to write their "core plan" The communist Manifesto.

This diagram has been translated into English from a fascinating book about the origins of Communism and Karl Marx's links to Satanic practices:

https://pasteboard.co/JzqaDWb.png

To really understand just how devout a Satanist Karl Marx was I highly recommend the book 'Marx and Satan' by Richard Wurmbrand.


The organization that calls itself the 'Illuminati'


In 1770, Adam Weishaupt, a man who received special inspiration from Satan, began planning an organization. He began to write the "Core Plan" for realizing the world revolution, which he officially completed on May 1, 1776. The core plan was to "Destroy all existing governments and religions". The "Core Project" of the Illumanti organization is the direct precursor of modern communism and the Communist Party.

In 1782, after several years of development, the Illuminati group moved its headquarters from Munich to Frankfurt and began to implement the core plan of the huge so called "world revolution". In 1785, Weisap ordered his henchmen (Xavier von Zwack, a government lawyer) to take the plans of the revolution and organize them into books. He then asked a subordinate (Jacob Lanz) to send plans to the illuminati branch in France. However, the messenger encountered a storm while on the road and was struck by lightning and was killed.

The police found the plans and a list of members of the Illuminati organization. The government followed the leads, copied more secret documents, and assembled them for public publication. This secret "Core Plan" implemented in France for the realization of the World Revolution was therefore exposed to the world, and it became clear for all to see.

Below, these seized secret documents irrefutably explain the evil purpose of the Illuminati organization:


1. The civilization of mankind for thousands of years is the bondage that people cannot obtain happiness, which is wrong.
Development is on the wrong road, so all these so-called "bindings" must be abolished.

2. Abolition of all dynasties and governments (Abolition of all ordered governments)

3. Abolition all religious beliefs (Abolition of religion) and use a so-called "new religion" Instead, this new religion is materialistic atheism on the surface, but the essence of Satanism.

4. Abolition of private property ("Communist")

5. Abolition of inheritance (Note: The original plan of the Illuminati was to pass the method of taxation and the abolition of property inheritance, the transfer of all private and state-owned property to the Illuminati orginization. Later, the Communist Party directly adopted violence and armed robbery to "communize." )

6. Abolition of patriotism (Abolition of patriotism) and promote internationalism.

7. Abolition of the family (Abolition of the family) through abolition of marriage, and related to the family. (The values ​​and morals and ethics of the people are things such as "shared wife".)

8. Establish a world government that is dictated by the Illuminati and has no moral beliefs. An authoritarian society without human rights and morals calls it "the big family of human happiness and prosperity."


That is, the purpose of the Illuminati Gang. It is to destroy normal social order, destroy all belief in God, private property, ethical concepts, to establish a dictatorship without moral ethics and create the so-called "big family of human happiness and prosperity" of human rights.

Comparing the "Core Project" program of the Illuminati, we find that these are actually the exact same goals of communism and the Communist Party.


Marx was commissioned to rewrite the "Core Plan" of the Illuminati organization into the "Communist Manifesto"


On the eve of the "Great Revolution" launched by the Illuminati in 1848, the support of theory and public opinion was urgently needed. They manipulated the establishment of a peripheral branch called the "Communist League" for preliminary preparations.

The preface of the Communist Manifesto clearly stated that in November 1847, the Communist League at the London conference "commissioned" Marx and Engels to write a Manifesto.

Marx didn’t take it seriously and procrastinated, and was finally forced by the Central Committee of the League in London which gave Marx an ultimatum and ordered a draft of the "Communist Manifesto"

"You must arrive in London before February 1, 1848, or we will have to take further sanctions against Marx."

This ultimatum forced Marx to sort out a document based on the documents given by the Communist League. A manifesto, transforming several outlines of the "Core Plan" into the theoretical basis of the "Communist Manifesto"

So, the "Communist Manifesto" was published on February 21, 1848. The most ironic thing is that In the "Communist Manifesto", Marx referred to it as "dung and and a filthy book".

All this shows that Marx is not the true author, just a "hired "gun". In the first edition of the Communist Manifesto, there was no Marxist author. It was not until 20 years later that Marx’s name appeared in the Communist Manifesto. One of Marx’s goals as a puppet was to conceal the true source of the Communist Party: a secret Satanic Cult.

The "Communist Manifesto" is called proletarian service, but it is actually a big scam. The big workers and peasants serve as cannon fodder to achieve evil goals. In the eyes of the Communist Party, workers are “Useful idiots” (Lenin’s term) (aka Antifa, BLM and others in the U.S).


To be continued...

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The Satanic Nature of the Illuminati

Everyone knows that Adam Weishaupt is the founder and the first gang leader of the Illuminati:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

In fact, he was just the leader at the front desk. The real boss is the "Supreme Council". Like a company, "the highest "Committee" is the company’s board of directors. Weishaupt was the company’s general manager, concrete implementation of the board of directors' decisions.

There is evidence that at that time, the Illumination Group was formulated by the Supreme Council. They are the ones that implemented the Principles, policies, etc.

It's members included five people:

1. Adam Weishaupt

2. French nobleman Marquis de Sade (Marquis de Sade),

3. Sir Francis Dashwood (founder of the 'Hellfire Club')

4. Kabbalistic scholar of Esotericism Jacob Frank (aka ' Sabbatai Zevi')

5. Mayer Rothschild, representative of the Bankers Group.

1. Weishaupt himself was a Satanist. In March 1778, Weishaupt wrote in a letter to his confidant Walker (It was later confiscated by the Bavarian government) describing his magic, saying: "I have expelled the goblins; I have recruited ghosts...". Some of the objects that were also found by the government were used to cast black magic. It shows that Weishapu is indeed a believer in Satan and a believer in a corrupt form of Kabbalah.

2. Marquis de Sade was very active during the French Revolution. Born in a French noble family. His sadistic, erotic and violent, morally corrupt, depraved and debased life and exploits are notorious. He was in his seventies before he died, and he lived with a 13 or 14 year old girl. The words "sexual sadism" and "sadism" (sadism) are derived from the name of the this person. de Sade was actually a very devout Satanist and his hatred of humanity was crazy to an absurd level.

He once wrote: "I hate nature, I want to split the earth, stop its movement, stop the orbit of the stars. I want to knock down all the planets floating in the sky; destroy everything that serves nature..." He not only wants to destroy everything on earth, but also Everything in the universe.

3. Sir Francis Dashwood was an English rake and politician who founded the 'Hellfire Club'. He was a Satanist with a seething hatred for God. For this club, he inscribed the motto "Fay ce que vouldras," or "Do what thou wilt" over the door. The Hellfire Club appeared to be the gentlemen's club of the upper class in England at the time, but in fact It's a licentious place, where members have orgies, engage in homosexuality, black magic and satanic rituals. According to sources the actual head of the club often changed, but Satan has always been the nominal president of the club.

4. Jacob Frank was a the leader of the Satanic Frankists, he proclaimed himself to be the reincarnation of Sabbatai Zevi the living Messiah. He believed that Salvation was to be achieved through "the transgression of every boundary".

5. Mayer Amschel Rothschild was in charge of world banking. The financier of the organization.


In addition to the male members, the Illuminati secretly recruited female members, saying that they would feel "liberated". They would divide the female members into two independent and unaware categories, one part is ladies ( virtuous woman), which can bring a respectable atmosphere to the illuminati gang (i.e Sheepskin’s role); the other type is composed of light women, whose purpose is to help satisfy the lusts and cravings of the Illuminati gang.

The Illuminati has always used money and sex to bribe people of status and then blackmailed and threatened to force them to submit to the control of the Light Gang (aka Hunter Biden).

The Illuminati organization were behind the liberation movement and sexual liberation, their purpose is to destroy the family and corrupt human morality and values ​​(one of the political 'goals' of the Light Gang). Communist parties in various countries have also inherited this satanic nature. After the collapse of the CPSU, people discovered from the decrypted documents that Lenin was a drug addicted sadist. Stalin's life is very corrupt, his incestuous behavior with his daughter shocked the world.

Such a Satanic gang (Illuminati) founded the Communist Party, which shows where Communist Party’s corruption has its roots.

To be continued...

[AutumnW]

Energy Gem,

What are you talking about? I suggest you consult better source material.

[EnergyGem]

The Emblem Of The Communist Party

The satanic symbol has a five pointed star as does the communist symbol. This is not a coincidence, they are actually both symbols of the devil.

The hammer in the flag of the Communist Party in China represents the workers and the sickle represents the peasants, but that's not their true meaning.

Hammer: The illuminati gang worked to penetrate and control Freemasonry, using the Freemasonry as a cover. The hammer and sickle on the party flag came from Freemasonry. In the ceremony of Freemasonry, the "Master Mason" holds a hammer in his hand, because a hammer is a tool used by a mason. In fact, among the Communist Party they call each other "comrades", and the term "comrades" also comes from Freemasonry, one of the second-level members of Freemasonry.

Sickle: Marx encouraged workers to riot and seize power, Lenin said that the establishment of a "working class" political party relying on workers to work, these two people did not involve farmers at all. So the original intention of the sickle is not to represent the peasants at all. So what does the sickle stand for? In Western popular culture, death takes a sickle, and the sickle truly represents destruction meaning death.


The Gene Passed On To The Communist Party by the Illuminati: Deception — A Fictional Happy Communist Family

The illuminati gang leader Weishaupt told his confidant to devote himself to the art of fraud, the art of disguising yourself, The art of scouting others, and the art of insight into the ideas of others ("Devote yourselves to the art of deception, the art of disguising yourselves, of masking yourselves, spying on others and perceiving their innermost thoughts"), he is specific and meticulous.

Teach people how to cheat (aka election fraud). In order to deceive the outside world, the Illuminati gang ostensibly established the shape of a charitable organization claiming that the purpose is to make mankind "a happy and prosperous family". This attracted many intellectuals, government officials, clergy, etc. make them mistaking them for a charity group organization, the guise of a good communist society comes from this.


Genes passed on to the Communist Party by the Illumination Gang: Inter-Penetration, Separation, Control, Replacement

Weishaupt said: The powerful force of this organization comes from concealment, and its name must not be allowed to appear in any organization. Wherever, another name is always used as a cover. He said to his opponent: as long as the goal is achieved, no matter what kind of cover is used, cover is necessary. He later discovered that Freemasonry (Freemasonry) is a good cover, it will not be suspected and would be difficult to be discovered, so he decided to infiltrate and control Freemasonry and develop in it.

For example, at the beginning of the French Revolution, there were 282 Freemasonry clubs in France, of which 266 Was controlled by the Illuminati Gang; the German Freemasonry was completely controlled by the Illuminati, and then developed and penetrated into many countries, some other European countries, and even the Freemasonry in the United States are also in varying degrees under it's control.

There were about 3 million Freemasonry members in the world at that time, many of which were under the secret control of the Illuminati. It's just that the low-level members of Freemasonry don't know anything about it. Therefore, the Illumination Gang is a parasitic mystery within the secret organization of the Freemasonry organization.


All Leaders of Communism were high Level Freemasons ( Illuminati Gang Members)

https://pasteboard.co/JzruYZw.png

In the picture above, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and the officers of the Gulag camp in the former Soviet Union all made a mysterious gesture which is the secret symbol of Freemasonry, and Freemasonry had been completely controlled by the Illuminati Gang by this time.

The Illumination Gang members are divided into strict levels, which can be roughly divided into three categories: elementary, intermediate, and mysterious (advanced).

Members of the two major categories of elementary and intermediate levels are still told virtually nothing. Only members who enter the mysterious level (high-level) are gradually being told their true purpose. This reflects that the Illumination Gang is very cautious, because it knows its own evil, members who really enter the advanced category are only it's minority.

Weishaupt said that for most peripheral personnel who are not clear about their true purpose, on the one hand he they can grow the momentum, and on the other hand they can fill the money box. The same is true of the Communist Party’s spirit of united front.

In 1786, shortly after the Illuminati Gang was exposed the name "illuminati" is no longer used. Later, the Great Eastern Freemasonry in Europe actively promotes communism, which is an important secret behind communism and the communist power (aka wolf in sheeps clothing).

The Supreme Leader of American Freemason Albert Pike (Level 33) in his authoritative work on Freemasonry It emphasizes that the ultimate belief of Freemasonry is the "fallen angel Lucifer" (that is, Satan), and Pike also said, senior members above 30 levels know this.

Marx (level 32), Engels (level 32), Lenin (level 32), Stalin (level 33) are all senior members of the Great Eastern Freemasonry above level 30.

They were all members, they all know, and they all believe in the devil.

[AutumnW]

If you want real satanic take a look at how colonial capitalist powers slaughtered native peoples world wide and the slave trade. The ongoing crimes of the criminal justice system and the immigration department against vulnerable populations in the U.S. weren't created by Marxists or Communists. They are happening under capitalism.

Marx was right about how capital accrues and eventually ends up in the hands of the international elite. You can disagree with how his theories were applied--most definitely.

What the modern pro Trump crowd can't seem to understand is populism and nationalism are SOLD as a way of countering this development, but as soon as you allow authoritarians to take control, you end up with self serving fascists who end up abusing the hell out of their own populations. Police state. Look it up.

[Constance]

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[O Donna]

One of many -isms

[Kamikaze]

delete it all

[bettye198]

Excellent research. I have just finished reading Fritz Springmeier's book called Bloodlines and all this data is in there. Took massive notes so I was up on what you posted. Child sacrifice has enslaved us for over 6000 years. To undo just a particle of this cancer is massive enough but it does take the consciousness of the public to wake up to it, support the endeavors of abolishing it. If you did not know, much of the sacrifice is given to off planet entities as barter for other things. It is perpetuated and we have allowed this as if human babies are animals to be slaughtered. Trump since day one in office has been on this tirade to cut off the head of the snake and rescue thousands. At least he had the presence of mind not hampered by the dark energy around him to take action, write the E.O. for the Military troops and Tribunals to go forward. This thread could be talked about for a long time. There is so much to learn about how this Satanism penetrated our system of living.

[AutumnW]

There is no large scale ritualistic slaughter of infants going on. Anyone can write a book or article about this for financial reasons and they are guaranteed sales because people just eat up lurid B horror movie type plot lines.

The real crimes against infants are state sanctioned and involve displacement due to war, illness due to war and or death due to war. Oh, and things like interning children after separating them from their mothers.

If you are reading Qanonsense as a starting point, you are sure to be most terribly misled, with the added bonus of alienating friends and family. If this isn't the case forgive me for the assumption.

[EnergyGem]

AutumnW, what I have disclosed in this thread is only the bare bones of communism, how it operates and it's infiltration into the Western world.

If you want an in-depth look at communism I highly recommend checking out this documentary. It penetrates communisms deceptions and schemes to it's foundations:

How the Specter of Communism Is Ruling Our World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1c...ab_channel=NTD

[Agape]

And while both parties mentioned would probably strongly disagree with being put on par ( but do they understand it better)

there’s one observation that could be made on their behalf, in principle:

Modern “luciferian” ( and there is more of them in today’s world than we imagine just some do not call themselves thus) goes by the credo: “Self is great. I’m the child of God , I deserve, if I’m not happy how can I make others happy. I need to explore and enjoy to acknowledge the fullness of cosmic intelligence manifested through me. If I condemn myself to suffer it’s not God doing that and I’ve forsaken him. And so forth ..”

Forgive me for being too meek and philosophical here.


Communist credo on the other hand replaces or tries to replace the importance of individual self and “I’m great” with collective, hive self by repeating “we are great”.

Collective selves are complicated and complex and correspond to particular times, cultures and human conditions so they’re not easy to define,
many religious groups experience one kind of “communist selves” as well,
even though religions do not cut themselves off higher evolutionary motives but bare atheism - communism does.

That’s how both of the above are transitory moments no matter how long they last.

Even while there are times we all have to be “purely selfish” in order to survive for example and times we serve the human collective selflessly and enjoy the free share,

either does not represent the main motivation of the intelligence in us that wishes to grow, free and beautiful to the benefit of all living beings.

I have seen how every society who have forsaken spiritual aspirations ended up in hell at some point of their history turning millions of people to mere animals.

And I’ve been shocked couple of times already to find those “hidden luciferians” with extreme attachment to themselves falling to hells too.

It’s not that I need to know everything.


Wrong and extreme beliefs always perish with their believers, after some time anyway.


The greater whole of humanity will not stop searching for better social models to run
and it’s nowhere close to the final.



One day people may understand how all their -isms are solipsism and that the Truth is between Us and the Universe. That’s U&U. Or is it.


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[XelNaga]

Dear friends,

I know communism gets a lot of hate in modern times, especially with what happened in Soviet Russia, and is still happening in China from time to time.

But as someone who now lives in a "democratic" country, which was a communist country before, I can tell you my opinion and opinions of people close to me, who are older than me and who have lived here during communism.

Communism > Democracy, absolutely, hands down.

Only people who have had problems with communism, at least in my former country Yugoslavia, were thieves, criminals, lazy and very greedy people. For 99% of population at that time, communist Yugoslavia was like a paradise.

When USA and EU "invaded" our great country with their twisted democracy, everything have turned to **** here.

Just my 2 cents. Kind regards..

[EnergyGem]

Posted by XelNaga (here)
Dear friends,

I know communism gets a lot of hate in modern times, especially with what happened in Soviet Russia, and is still happening in China from time to time.

But as someone who now lives in a "democratic" country, which was a communist country before, I can tell you my opinion and opinions of people close to me, who are older than me and who have lived here during communism.

Communism > Democracy, absolutely, hands down.

Only people who have had problems with communism, at least in my former country Yugoslavia, were thieves, criminals, lazy and very greedy people. For 99% of population at that time, communist Yugoslavia was like a paradise.

When USA and EU "invaded" our great country with their twisted democracy, everything have turned to **** here.

Just my 2 cents. Kind regards..

After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, many KGB secret files were decrypted. These secret files showed that from 1918 to 1920, the Soviet secret police Cheka killed 10.18 million people. Lenin killed another 15 million people in a civil war to suppress dissidents. From 1921 to 1922, human-made famines caused another 5,053,000 people to starve to death. During Lenin's first four years in power, Lenin eliminated more than 30 million people.

Checka: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka

These secret files reveal Lenin's cruelty and inhumanity. The Soviet secret police Cheka strictly enforced Lenin's orders, here are some of his killing methods:

◇ Put out the eyes of a bishop and cut off his nose and ears.

◇ Line up the victims in a line, nail their hands on the table, cut their wrists with a knife, pour boiling water on their hands, and then peel off the skins of their hands. The name is "Gloves off".

◇ Press the victim's head on the anvil, slowly crush the head with a steam hammer, and force the person to be subjected to the same torture the next day to watch.

◇ Put out people’s eyes, cut off their hands, and bury them alive.

◇ Cut the victim's abdomen open, pull out the small intestine, nail it to the phone pole, then beat the victim with a whip, forcing him to turn around the phone pole until all the intestines are pulled out and die.

◇ Put an archbishop boiled alive in a big pot, then pointed a pistol at the heads of other monks and forced them to drink the soup.

◇ Line up the victims and use special tools to smash the victims' heads, or use dental tools to drill through the victims' heads. The upper half of the victim's head was cut off with a saw, and the person closest to the victim in the prison line was forced to eat the brain. Then it's the next victim's turn to use the same torture until the last person.

◇ Cheka often arrested by the whole family, first torturing the children in front of the parents and torturing the wife in front of the husband.

◇ Peel off the victim's scalp cover.

◇ Put the victim in a bucket, and the bucket was nailed from the outside to the inside, so that the tip of the nail was exposed from the inside, and the bucket was allowed to roll on the ground.

◇ Burn the victim's forehead with a red five-pointed star.

◇ Bake people alive or tear them into pieces.

◇ Put the victim in a coffin with a rotting corpse and bury it alive. Dig it out in an hour and a half.

Also, to understand the Satanic cult of the Illuminati gangsters and communism a little better I highly recommend reading Marquis De Sades 'Juliette'. It pretty much sums up how these degenerates operated and their philosophy at the highest level. Basically Satan worshippers.

[Craig]

Speechless, utterly speechless,

if you want to kill 'dissidents' for whatever reason why the torture? I will never ever understand this, it has rendered me mentally numb

[Mashika]

Posted by Craig (here)
Speechless, utterly speechless,

if you want to kill 'dissidents' for whatever reason why the torture? I will never ever understand this, it has rendered me mentally numb

It wasn't just because of being dissidents, it was mostly due to ethnic reasons, for example my family was very very big, and right now after a century or so we are just a few, due to being exterminated most of us by Lenin/Stalin, because of being Cossacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decossackization

Decossackization (Russian: Расказачивание, Raskazachivaniye) was the Bolshevik policy of systematic repressions against Cossacks of the Russian Empire, especially of the Don and the Kuban, between 1917 and 1933 aimed at the elimination of the Cossacks as a separate ethnic, political, and economic entity.[1] This was the first example of Soviet leaders deciding to "eliminate, exterminate, and deport the population of a whole territory," which they had taken to calling the "Soviet Vendée"[1] The decossackization is frequently described as a genocide of the Cossacks,[2][3][4][5][6] a process described by scholar Peter Holquist as part of a "ruthless" and "radical attempt to eliminate undesirable social groups" that showed the Soviet regime's "dedication to social engineering"

So in a very big way, it was hate towards the ethnicities and not just political reasons. They took pleasure on the task, kind of like the Nazi did with the Jew people



Edited to add:

Most people have heard about the "Red Army" (The Soviets), but should look at who were the "White Army" (The Cossacks and allies) who fought against the Soviets and lost, the White Army was anti-soviet, and they were nationalists, anti-communist forces that attempted to destroy the Soviets at some point, after that, the communist took great care of exterminating them all and those who survived had to escape to other countries or were forced to "convert"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement

[Kamikaze]

delete it all

[Mashika]

Posted by Kamikaze (here)
There was a similar "white" vs "red" war in Finland as it attained it's independence from Russia. Though there the whites won that war, not the reds in this instance.
Any and all those who over the years then "fled" to soviet Russia in later years vanished. Killed or imprisoned working in the labour camps.
There were never a single word from those who went there.

Stuff isn't that old that people have forgotten the soviets in the family. Lost the land my mothers side came from. Whole town erased and later reconstructed on the other side of the border.
Not many years since my grandparents who all lived through the Finnish-Soviet wars passed away.

My avatar is a picture taken by someone in the area where my extended roots are from.

Must clarify that the Soviet Union and Russia are two different things, Russia was just one country that belonged to the Soviet Union, or a "state" if you like, but was not the entire thing at all. Most people equal the Soviet Union with Russia but that was never the case really

The R is USSR is for "Republics", not "Russia", unlike a lot of people believe

I believe the term should not be interchangeable, it brings bad things. And for example the president of the Federation of Russia at the time of the conspiracy to take down the USSR, was Borís Yeltsin, yet at the same time the premier of the USSR was Michael Gorbachov

Did you know this didn't stop Yeltsin to conspire with other top level presidents of other Soviet states to take down the USSR at the end of the 1980's ?

Not all Russian were Soviets, and not all Soviets were Russian

ETA: You meant the Russian Empire, not the Russian Federation... sorry, got confused there because of the context of this thread, the Russian Empire was not "Soviet", that's why the confusion came on

Stuff isn't that old that people have forgotten the soviets in the family.

The Finland stuff happened before the Soviets, that's why this is very confusing, the Soviets are not "Russian", they are a political group from several nations, not all of them Russian. If your family ran to Russia at the time the Russian Empire lost the war against Finland, those were not "Soviet" at all

[Kamikaze]

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[Mashika]

Posted by Kamikaze (here)

Posted by Mashika (here)

Posted by Kamikaze (here)
There was a similar "white" vs "red" war in Finland as it attained it's independence from Russia. Though there the whites won that war, not the reds in this instance.
Any and all those who over the years then "fled" to soviet Russia in later years vanished. Killed or imprisoned working in the labour camps.
There were never a single word from those who went there.

Stuff isn't that old that people have forgotten the soviets in the family. Lost the land my mothers side came from. Whole town erased and later reconstructed on the other side of the border.
Not many years since my grandparents who all lived through the Finnish-Soviet wars passed away.

My avatar is a picture taken by someone in the area where my extended roots are from.

Must clarify that the Soviet Union and Russia are two different things, Russia was just one country that belonged to the Soviet Union, or a "state" if you like, but was not the entire thing at all. Most people equal the Soviet Union with Russia but that was never the case really

The R is USSR is for "Republics", not "Russia", unlike a lot of people believe

I believe the term should not be interchangeable, it brings bad things. And for example the president of the Federation of Russia at the time of the conspiracy to take down the USSR, was Borís Yeltsin, yet at the same time the premier of the USSR was Michael Gorbachov

Did you know this didn't stop Yeltsin to conspire with other top level presidents of other Soviet states to take down the USSR at the end of the 1980's ?

Not all Russian were Soviets, and not all Soviets were Russian

ETA: You meant the Russian Empire, not the Russian Federation... sorry, got confused there because of the context of this thread, the Russian Empire was not "Soviet", that's why the confusion came on

Stuff isn't that old that people have forgotten the soviets in the family.

The Finland stuff happened before the Soviets, that's why this is very confusing, the Soviets are not "Russian", they are a political group from several nations, not all of them Russian. If your family ran to Russia at the time the Russian Empire lost the war against Finland, those were not "Soviet" at all

Confusing time periods you are.
1917-1918 Independence from Imperial Russia->USSR transition.
Finnish civil war was in 1918, The RED VS WHITE nationals. Reds lost in Finland, much dismay to the Soviets I guess.
Then under WW2 in 1939-1944 Finnish-Soviet wars.
Anyone who went to "Russia" between the independence & the war were rounded up into camps or killed at some point or other.
Around the war and after 1939-1944 those Finnish that were lured to join the soviet side ended up dead one way or another. They vanished.
Many went back to Russia because their lands & territories where in occupied and seceded territories. They never got to get back there. To Siberia or worse.
Most went back to try and get back to their homes in Russian territories that were now occupied by various people relocated there by the Soviets from all over.
Even after the fall of USSR. Russia holds and keeps the territories USSR claimed from Finland under the war, I do not see Russia willing to ever give any of it back.

Many people relocated from the areas the Soviets took from Finland. It was a mass exodus from those territories. No one wanted to stay in practice under the rule of the Red Soviets when the wars where ongoing. Some tried to return after the wars but those who went were never heard from again. No record or anything to be seen where they vanished to.
People remember the war in Finland, pretty well actually. But it's a decade or two from being relevant any more. Those who lived under the war 1939-1944 are not here any more really.
But the stories from the war are remembered. How the lies & lures came from the Soviets to lure people to come over there to be killed.

Many Finnish people have their ancestor homes in today Russian territories. Many wanted to return to them. They could not. Today it's lived in by Russians and others since a long time since the Finnish left it.
Karelia is a large part of land held in loss in Finland.
My ancestors lost the land of Salla in the northern parts. They had to relocate to the Finnish side of the border. The old town left to ruin on the Russian side.

Around the war and after 1939-1944 those Finnish that were lured to join the soviet side ended up dead one way or another. They vanished.

By the way you quote "Russia" (as in double quotes) in your reply, I think you should clarify, for historical reasons, what you mean by "Russian" and what you mean by "Soviet"

Around the war and after 1939-1944 those Finnish that were lured to join the soviet side ended up dead one way or another. They vanished.

So... Do you mean they died fighting on WW2? Or killed because they were from Findland?

Kamikaze, where are you from? Your point of view seems odd, you are mixing very old things with current events, i don't get it much more than saying you have carried over grudged from the past, of people and countries that don't exist anymore

[Kamikaze]

delete it all