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    Im going to post a continuing thread of some great quotes and observations of various people who crossed over and left their physical body . They are In my opinion our greatest teachers. The following are edited comments .

    Anonymous

    Sometime between the ages of 5 and 7, I died. I was strangled.

    I understood that everything that we do here on Earth, all that we are, all that we experience, allows creation to exist. Every beautiful thing, every wonderful being and creature, whether on earth or in any universe, relies upon people who are on the extremely rare places like Earth.

    The Great Intelligence (god) is a paradox. It is completely loving and fully unlimited. Which by the definition of paradox, means it is impossible? It cannot be limited only to love; it cannot be limited to only being unlimited; or it is not unlimited.

    Earth is a place where the unlimited becomes limited; where the singular becomes many. Here, it can know community and loneliness. It can know heartache and hope. It can know all which an unlimited being of pure love cannot. It can conceive and perceive evil; which in truth it cannot do this either. To solve the paradox, it must experience helplessness and limitation and all as it is Real. In this place, it is all so REAL.

    So what is free will? Free will is the option to come here to help solve the paradox of 'god'. To be all that we are not, so that everything wondrous and joyful may continue to exist. So that love itself may continue to exist. So that the Unlimited is not limited to being only unlimited.

    Why are the answers always, 'simply to exist' and 'to choose love' and 'to learn how to love'? Because all you need to do, to solve the paradox, is to exist. And as we exist here, each time we choose love, we expand the universe. Love is life's longing for itself. Despite the reality of what we live, even the darkest souls among us cannot help but to reach, to yearn, and move towards goodness and towards love.

    For love is the true nature of who we are. And when we experience horrible things, the question 'why' comes to mind because it is the central question of love, life, and of this world. The answer is 'so that all things might continue to exist.'

    Every soul chose to come here and to suffer because of love. Each soul loves the universe, loves life, and loves this world and ALL of the worlds. Each soul loves ALL of the people so immensely and intensely that they chose to come here so that all the universes may teem with beautiful, joyful LIFE.

    Every creature that I saw, acknowledges that your life gives them the gift of life. And when each soul goes 'home' after they die, they will know the rewards of their own gift, too. The 'reward' for their sacrifice will be joy, love, and feeling incredible, wonderful, beautiful joy at the LIFE and the LOVE everywhere in the universe.

    When you go home, you meet your own soul. You willingly came here to forget yourself. You willingly came here to save every beautiful and wonderful thing. By suffering what 'god' cannot, you give the gift of life.
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    Great idea, Doug. Thanks so much. It feels so healing at this time to read this. I look forward to more! 👏👏👏 Diane

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    Yes Diane thanks! I feel i need healing from 2020 on so many levels. We take our lives too seriously, but its hard not to

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    Great thread TPD, I shall follow with eager breath, I look to going home and settling back in and never ever embark on this tour of duty again, though I suspect I will be victim again for some strange reason...

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Great thread TPD, I shall follow with eager breath, I look to going home and settling back in and never ever embark on this tour of duty again, though I suspect I will be victim again for some strange reason...
    I can imagine after this life, being somewhere and contemplating all the things we experienced. All of the good and the bad. A single moment of pure joy, of fear and of wonder. All the goofy things - things that just didn't make sense.

    And then a couple things left undone. An opportunity we didn't take or a challenge we didn't accept.

    And then planning our next trip back with major excitement and determination.

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    Im going to post a continuing thread of some great quotes and observations of various people who crossed over and left their physical body . They are In my opinion our greatest teachers. The following are edited comments .

    Anonymous

    Sometime between the ages of 5 and 7, I died. I was strangled.

    I understood that everything that we do here on Earth, all that we are, all that we experience, allows creation to exist. Every beautiful thing, every wonderful being and creature, whether on earth or in any universe, relies upon people who are on the extremely rare places like Earth.

    The Great Intelligence (god) is a paradox. It is completely loving and fully unlimited. Which by the definition of paradox, means it is impossible? It cannot be limited only to love; it cannot be limited to only being unlimited; or it is not unlimited.

    Earth is a place where the unlimited becomes limited; where the singular becomes many. Here, it can know community and loneliness. It can know heartache and hope. It can know all which an unlimited being of pure love cannot. It can conceive and perceive evil; which in truth it cannot do this either. To solve the paradox, it must experience helplessness and limitation and all as it is Real. In this place, it is all so REAL.

    So what is free will? Free will is the option to come here to help solve the paradox of 'god'. To be all that we are not, so that everything wondrous and joyful may continue to exist. So that love itself may continue to exist. So that the Unlimited is not limited to being only unlimited.

    Why are the answers always, 'simply to exist' and 'to choose love' and 'to learn how to love'? Because all you need to do, to solve the paradox, is to exist. And as we exist here, each time we choose love, we expand the universe. Love is life's longing for itself. Despite the reality of what we live, even the darkest souls among us cannot help but to reach, to yearn, and move towards goodness and towards love.

    For love is the true nature of who we are. And when we experience horrible things, the question 'why' comes to mind because it is the central question of love, life, and of this world. The answer is 'so that all things might continue to exist.'

    Every soul chose to come here and to suffer because of love. Each soul loves the universe, loves life, and loves this world and ALL of the worlds. Each soul loves ALL of the people so immensely and intensely that they chose to come here so that all the universes may teem with beautiful, joyful LIFE.

    Every creature that I saw, acknowledges that your life gives them the gift of life. And when each soul goes 'home' after they die, they will know the rewards of their own gift, too. The 'reward' for their sacrifice will be joy, love, and feeling incredible, wonderful, beautiful joy at the LIFE and the LOVE everywhere in the universe.

    When you go home, you meet your own soul. You willingly came here to forget yourself. You willingly came here to save every beautiful and wonderful thing. By suffering what 'god' cannot, you give the gift of life.
    Hi Doug,
    I don't know if you are aware of Mike Adams Natural Healing or his Oblivion Agenda but I think it is worth
    looking into.

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    Thanks East Sun/ I got disillusioned with Mike Adams this year. really went off the rails . but ill look into it

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Thanks East Sun/ I got disillusioned with Mike Adams this year. really went off the rails . but ill look into it
    I can see where you're coming from, I have been put off also. but I occasionally listen as I can see something
    in what he's saying that is very relevant to our present existence,

    Far fetched is sometimes right on,
    There is more than we imagine right in front of our eyes if we could only see it.

    We are dumbed down big time and if we do not wake up soon will be eliminated
    make no mistake about it.

    All the chemtrails and nano particle spraying onto crops , water and the air we breathe
    is real.

    The off planet entities are working non stop to terre form earth by changing the climate (global
    warming hoax] blocking out the sun etc. so they can live here. That means that we can not live here.

    This vaccine hoax is a big part of this. Yes there are people dying of a virus that has been intentionally
    spread far and wide. We need to know or learn the facts and fast.

    The vaccine is a genocidal process. DO not take the vaccine. It is detrimental to your health.

    Entities that are far more advanced than us and eons more aware of time travel etc.
    will destroy us if we do not stop the earth beings that unknowingly are helping them,

    There's Gates and Fauci and his ilk.

    We have to get smart or learn fast and not be fooled and most importantly,
    make the so called aware better educated people in our society privy to this
    and wake them up.
    Question Everything, always speak truth...

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    some more quotes from NDE experiencers/


    The light was not blinding and it was so beautiful. And above all, it was so warm. This white place was full of love, sweetness, warmth and peace. But I felt Love at its highest when three immense columns of light came in front of me. These columns of light were esoteric beings. I have never felt a love such as this one. The love that they have for me and that I have for them, is indescribable.

    No one on Earth knows me more than they do and I know no one more than I know them. I am part of them as they are a part of myself. Even my sister, with who I am very close, and even my mother, seemed and still seem to me like strangers compared to the three of these Beings. I know there are many more of these Beings where I come from. They are my family. I cannot describe this love

    What we call being conscious here, is far from being so. We are not conscious on earth. We are deceived, blinded, and asleep. Only in this place, could I be aware of the being who I am. I am aware that my incarnation on Earth is only a passage in my existence. I know that the Creation is much bigger and more beautiful than we can imagine. Everything is Creation and love. I knew everything and understood everything. It was so simple. But I find it very difficult to have access to that same knowledge down here on Earth. I think this knowledge is stored in my unconscious. This knowledge can sometimes be heard in my words or read in my handwriting. But the more I think about it and try to understand it, the further I get it.

    Everything about the universe That everything is Love and Creation. I knew everything, I understood everything. I had all the answers about life. I knew the why and the how. It was so simple. But it seems impossible and so difficult to have access to that same knowledge here, on Earth. It is like stored in our unconscious, those things that we know without knowing. I often wonder why I no longer know, why no one knows, but at the same time I think that creation is so intelligent and logical, that everything has a meaning.

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    Dearest Doug, and you are dear and precious. You openly reveal the presence of advanced, awake, aware loving connection to our creator who is ever a part of us and does not wish to let us go into the darkness forever. Many of us suffer the limitations of trying to meld with lovers not on our own level of awareness, and the limitations of the physical will inevitably disappoint us and stab us in the back as it were. What we really are seeking is melding with our creator again through being in spirit on our own level. Most of us never find it because if you wish to survive in this world you may have to hide who you are, even after you rediscover it yourself. Those of us who have been allowed to remember real love are open to telepathic contact and therefore sensitive to the deepest hurt of the heart possible. Some of us throw away the key when along comes another who opens the lock unexpectedly. Since this is a life serving a heavy dose of experience, one must be careful of being unequally yoked in spirit and soul. This is a hard thing, since the veil usually does not begin to thin until age is quite advanced; and by then, you may feel battered beyond belief. The thing that brings a smile to the heart is to meet another soul light, alive and shining. There is always 2021.

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    Reading this removes the shine of NDE's from me a bit

    https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1sandi_t_ndes.html

    I am tired of always questioning everything and viewing everything with suspicion.

    My idea of this being a version of a 'hell' is growing daily.

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    Hi Craig, can u explain a bit more? and you are certainly entitled to your opinion on all, t y

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    Amor, what wonderful thoughts and observations. Thank You. You said something I think about all the time. In order to survive in this world you need to hide who you really are . Im writing a lyric about this as we speak

    I think believe it or not, thats exactly what we are supposed to do. Take it on, carry your tortoise shell and play stealth until you actually meet your kind.

    the key is to just live it as it presents itself. live out the term you were given.

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    TPD,

    I enjoyed reading about the whole NDE experience, then I read what I posted above, what disappointed me was how such a young person was tortured over so many times to experience multiple NDE's and how it was allowed to continue, now admittedly this is anger at the mistreatment of the person and not the NDE experience itself.

    But this section towards the end of the article raised my hackles somewhat
    Quote For love is the true nature of who we are. And when we experience horrible things, the question 'why' comes to mind because it is the central question of love, life, and of this world. The answer is 'so that all things might continue to exist.'

    Every soul chose to come here and to suffer because of love. Each soul loves the universe, loves life, and loves this world and ALL of the worlds. Each soul loves ALL of the people so immensely and intensely that they chose to come here so that all the universes may teem with beautiful, joyful LIFE.
    I read it to be that we are here now suffering so that love can exist elsewhere? Just find that very confusing

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    Craig thanks. I find it confusing as well. I think the problem is these people cannot put thier thoughts into words as they wish they could. they see a target they are trying to explain but cant hit it

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    TPD,

    I enjoyed reading about the whole NDE experience, then I read what I posted above, what disappointed me was how such a young person was tortured over so many times to experience multiple NDE's and how it was allowed to continue, now admittedly this is anger at the mistreatment of the person and not the NDE experience itself.

    But this section towards the end of the article raised my hackles somewhat
    Quote For love is the true nature of who we are. And when we experience horrible things, the question 'why' comes to mind because it is the central question of love, life, and of this world. The answer is 'so that all things might continue to exist.'

    Every soul chose to come here and to suffer because of love. Each soul loves the universe, loves life, and loves this world and ALL of the worlds. Each soul loves ALL of the people so immensely and intensely that they chose to come here so that all the universes may teem with beautiful, joyful LIFE.
    I read it to be that we are here now suffering so that love can exist elsewhere? Just find that very confusing
    I understand it conceptually, it is just very difficult to put into words.

    The Universe is evolving, just like any organic living thing is evolving. 'We' (our souls) are the collective consciousness of the Universe.

    Not just us human beings but all beings in this physical Universe. As God is the Creator of the Universe, and we are fragments of the God-self, it essentially means we are also the Creators of the Universe.

    The Universe began with elementary particles - exactly as we began as elementary particles (of God). From the Universe (the God-self) we were born (in order to grow), but as we grow, we continue to birth the Universe.

    It's the perfect circle, and a cooperative effort: as we expand and evolve the Universe expands and evolves (and the other way around at the same time).

    On this physical level we are still rather limited, even though there are virtually infinite levels of expression, from creating a new sonnet to creating a new galaxy. Beyond 'here' there are infinite spiritual levels, and other dimensions, from the physical and semi-physical, to etheric, mental, emotional, temporal and causal spheres of expression, and who knows how many more we cannot even conceive of. Perhaps there are an infinite number of universes too.

    But we create at every level, from the bottom up. What we strive for (spiritually speaking), is expansion of ourselves so we can co-create more and more, and at ever-expanding levels of awareness.

    We want to bring love to the universe and joy and also lend our own individualized expression to its continued expansion and development. But as with anything, you cannot do the higher work before you've done the lower work.

    Da Vinci didn't create his masterpieces from the crib. A long road of learning and practising and self-discovery was required before he developed those tools.

    To achieve the pure lustre of a diamond you need a lot of pressure and a lot of time. Thus we have to know (and conquer) suffering in order to know, become, and bring love.
    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."
    ~ Jimi Hendrix

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    another segment from an NDE experiencer.//

    ~
    The energy explained to me that my body was just a machine. My personality was just imaginary and shaped by the things Iíve seen. They said the only reason I exist is to see things and to experience life. They said all the things I see and experience are sent back out into the universe. They said that the universe is always learning, by watching itself through all of our eyes. They also told me that humans are no different than animals, and that they were created equally. The universe wanted to create as many different experiences as it could, and thatís why there are so many variations in life-forms and species.

They said that there is no Ďlife-spaní or plan. That I should understand that Iíve lived and thatís all I needed to do. They explained that it doesnít matter when you die or how. They explained how life isnít a competition to stay alive the longest. If I were to die, then I shouldnít worry that I didnít last long. I will never truly die, I will just change. It will only be my body that dies.

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    Reading this removes the shine of NDE's from me a bit

    https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1sandi_t_ndes.html

    I am tired of always questioning everything and viewing everything with suspicion.

    My idea of this being a version of a 'hell' is growing daily.
    This is a very intriguing NDE which reveals some "red flag", I would say:

    She is at first shown a world full of love and perfection and told later by her "guide" (or perhaps an archon) that it would be her "better choice" to become a victim again.
    Furthermore she is told the reason for all her suffering and demise is in order to make it possible for love to exist. (So she is making sure, the other worlds of love and perfection can exist. (yeah! )

    Very, very cunning!

    Reminds me of an astounding NDE interview which Wayne Bush did back in 2015.

    In that interview a demiurge ascertained that his only purpose were to keep a balance of good and evil on earth and if that balance is severed, it's game over. (ca. at 02:21:20 mark)

    The transcript at the interview you can find at: http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbt....html#demiurge

    It's btw. an incredible interview which is worth listening to in it's full length.
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    NDE/ QUESTION AND ANSWER//
    
During your experience, did you gain special knowledge or information about your purpose? Yes I felt like i knew everything. But there was no purpose. And that was fine. Learning is the only reason for existence, but that in itself had no purpose. Consider life as an experiment. Whatever created it doesn't know what the result is. It doesn't care too much and just wants to see what happens. 



    Did you believe that our earthly lives Are meaningful and significant prior to your experience? Are probably meaningful and significant 

During your experience, did you gain information about the meaning of life? Yes l learned that our purpose is simply to exist and to live. The universe is always learning about itself and observing life through our eyes. It likes to learn. And it's learning all of the time through us. All we are meant to do is live and learn. There is no right and wrong. By simply being true to ourselves and living life, we are fulfilling our purpose.


    MICHI/ THAT NDE story you attached above was amazing!! T Y

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    Michi posted and incredible NDE interview above/ its almost 3 hours long.

    this cought my attention from the interview/

    You cannot have compassion in the Light because there's nothing to have compassion for. There's nothing hurting. You cannot have mercy in the Light because there's nothing to show mercy for. It's perfect. Here there's a reason we allow so much hurt here so that we can get opportunities to either experience mercy or compassion or to show it. It's like our opportunity to do something that can't be done in the Light.

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