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    For the last many years there have been many purveyors of "hope porn," the most famous being Q Anon. Govt think tanks conjured up a cast of story tellers: everyone from Sorcha Fahl to Mark Richards to BD Anon to Steve Pieczenik (vote fraud was part of a "sting"), virtually ALL with histories in the military or intel community. Their job was to take the energy out of any potential resistance to their plans. Now these people, and their dupes, have been discredited or embarrassed with the Biden winning of the election. It's the big letdown. Goodbye Q Anon, Wilcock and professional professional liars everywhere. Kerry Cassidy, keep waiting for JFK Jr to appear and lead a tired nation! You'll be alone.

    Unfortunately, now it looks like we've got a real fight on our hands. We will have to refuse the mandatory vaccines, maybe lose our jobs or freedom over it. Now that the battle is nearly lost because of those idiots, it's going to be much tougher than it would have been.

    It's a similar ploy to fundamentalist Christianity turning a coming hell on earth into "good news, Jesus is coming!"

    Your tax dollars at work.

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    Im listening Tom Kat, but hold on. The curtain has yet to come down.

    There is much that doesnt add up for my own eyes , regardless of these people. The massive crowds for trump, the rally's , and 0 excitement for biden .
    The obvious voting fraud cought on camera on cnn, posted here. The actual election night results on election day having Trump the winner. The Biden hard drive issue obviously covered up. All this in front of my own eyes, dont need a Q to tell me something is very off with all this.

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    Default Re: The Big Letdown

    I was just talking about this. For as long as there has been alternative community there have been voices promising a big reveal... any minute now. Inditements, thumbdrives of evidence, irrefutable evidence about to be released. And yet time after time after time either nothing comes of it, or it is easily absorbed/silenced by the mainstream narrative with barely a ripple. And with every lost hope a new one arrises... and followers rally behind it ... this will be the thing to make a difference.

    One significant effect Ive seen from
    the Q movement is that it has created a handy container for alternative thinkers that makes it much easier to silence them. Shut down and ban Q groups and large swaths of the alternative thinkers are caught in the trap.

    If I didn't feel a deep transformation within that assures me magic is afoot, I would probably feel terribly disillusioned right now.

    To me this is the key.... they are trying to distract us from paying attention within... where change really begins, where our true power lies.

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    Default Re: The Big Letdown

    Jerome Corsi among others says Q is a military consortium. I feel that is very possible and plausible.

    All the government agencies, the ABC agencies are people. Just people, with kids and cars and wants and dreams.

    Some are good, and some are bad, whatever that all means? so some are with us and some against us.

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    Default Re: The Big Letdown

    Trump was a huge part of people seeing the world with a new set of eyes, they may very well be successful in removing him from office but that does not put out the fire for change. On the contrary, it gives people hope that they can make a difference. It was never meant to be left up to one man or person, it is now and always has been our job to facilitate meaningful and purposeful change. It is the beginning not the end and it is a process that never ends.

    The 2020 election may be the biggest theft in political history but it may be just what the was needed to move the world in the right direction.

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    Rant warning . . . .

    Ive been banging my head against the wall with trying to tell people this is not a spectator thing. We have to dig very deep inside ourselves. That's work, hard work, and it's at the very least energetic and vital for being so.

    Even when Q says "trust the plan" probably about 80 percent of 'Q followers' don't get what that really means.

    'The plan' is our energetic force of faith in light and victory over darkness. The more we have the facility to do that outwardly the better but the main body of it is energetic and deep inside us.

    I kinda feel like saying "don't get me going on what darkness is", and I also want to nail it, but it's hard to nail it.

    I know I've really had it, finally, with the cerebral 'enlightenment' version of darkness. That simply makes it into absence of light, a nothing. One thing I've learnt this time around is darkness definitely is not a nothing. It's a very formidable something, if we get taken in by it, either wilfully or sneaking up on us in our foolish mental excuse zones.

    Q says 'trust the plan', I say dig deep, very deep and don't be embarrassed by the word faith. It's not a religious word at all, it's the most natural thing a living entity could possibly have, and it's very precious. Far too precious to let externalised effery screw with it.

    Rant over.
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    Norman No Rant taken. got it. T Y

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    I totally sympathize with your point of view Tomkat. I’ve been following this Q stuff for years and in fact it became one of my main sources of entertainment since I don’t watch TV series nor play video games and all that kind of stuff. From the start I took it as a fictional work interspersed with bits and pieces of real life events so I’d be disappointed if Trump doesn’t do a second term because it’s blatantly obvious that this election was rigged but I didn’t really expect Q and his “special forces” to have any effect on the unfolding events.

    I fell hook line and sinker for the “2012 end of the world doomsday event” business and I see a lot of similarities in the dynamic of these 2 narratives (Q / 2012). Years of building up to a foreseen desired outcome, “insiders” letting people know what is eventually going to happen and making hundreds of thousands of $ in monetizing videos, conferences, psychic readings, by products….

    So let’s see what happens next week as I believe it’s make or break time for Trump and his team to show incontrovertible proofs of foul play.

    I personally expect Biden to become president no matter how blatant the cheating is proven to be but it could be the beginning of the end for the american republic.

    Also when when the new administration is installed watch for the Q, Praying medic, X22, Pastor “Coverstone” and all others “receiving direct communication from god”...of the world to double down on their narrative, the new story I foresee will be something along the lines of: “Trump as formed a shadow government with a team of patriots and they are actively working to oust and replace the treasonous Biden administration any day now….This will probably allow them to keep part of their audience and income for a few more years...think Wilcock and Y2k then 2012…..he still around milking the gullibles.

    Although I do believe many of the Q “decoders” sincerely believe what they are saying, my hope is to see some of them admit they were wrong if none of their predictions come to pass.(I’m not holding my breath…) If anything this phenomenon could become a teachable moment especially for a younger audience as “2012” was for me.

    Having said that I do hope next week will bring all the necessary proof of election rigging and that eventually the supreme court will rule in favor of 45.

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    Presumably the main goal of such hopium programs is to make people lose faith in all of this kind of information all together? To give up and accept the status quo?

    And if there is any truth to the idea that dreams create reality, it would be a good idea to keep dashing those hopes on the rocks.

    I thought the Q movement (which I have only followed lightly) was about encouraging people to do their own research from clues. It would certainly seem to be more empowering than most of these other movements.

    But even so, this isn't even about Q in the main. The majority of Americans may well now know how politics is really run (partly due to Q though I suggest). And we also have a very prominent lawyer, with a reputation to lose, stating she is after blood.

    I think 90% of us here are well aware that the carpet may be pulled from beneath us. However I am going to keep the faith is it is alright with you?

    And as I say, if my hope is dashed on the ropes, I don't see that it has very much to do with Q really. There will be military intervention or there won't.

    And when the next ray of light comes along I won't be closing my eyes.

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    Quote Posted by One (here)
    Presumably the main goal of such hopium programs is to make people lose faith in all of this kind of information all together? To give up and accept the status quo?

    And if there is any truth to the idea that dreams create reality, it would be a good idea to keep dashing those hopes on the rocks.

    I thought the Q movement (which I have only followed lightly) was about encouraging people to do their own research from clues. It would certainly seem to be more empowering than most of these other movements.

    But even so, this isn't even about Q in the main. The majority of Americans may well now know how politics is really run (partly due to Q though I suggest). And we also have a very prominent lawyer, with a reputation to lose, stating she is after blood.

    I think 90% of us here are well aware that the carpet may be pulled from beneath us. However I am going to keep the faith is it is alright with you?

    And as I say, if my hope is dashed on the ropes, I don't see that it has very much to do with Q really. There will be military intervention or there won't.

    And when the next ray of light comes along I won't be closing my eyes.
    Well said. I've followed Q lightly too, and am well aware of the belief of Joseph Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts (two people whom I hold in high regard) that it is a psyop designed to distract from the issue of skulduggery in the world of finance. That's an important issue that we must not lose sight of.

    It may be 'hopium' and 'hope porn' - but the opposite of hope is despair. If we sink into despair, it's over, all is lost; so for my part I'll stay positive and hopeful.

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    Quote Posted by HikerChick (here)
    Quote Posted by One (here)
    Presumably the main goal of such hopium programs is to make people lose faith in all of this kind of information all together? To give up and accept the status quo?

    And if there is any truth to the idea that dreams create reality, it would be a good idea to keep dashing those hopes on the rocks.

    I thought the Q movement (which I have only followed lightly) was about encouraging people to do their own research from clues. It would certainly seem to be more empowering than most of these other movements.

    But even so, this isn't even about Q in the main. The majority of Americans may well now know how politics is really run (partly due to Q though I suggest). And we also have a very prominent lawyer, with a reputation to lose, stating she is after blood.

    I think 90% of us here are well aware that the carpet may be pulled from beneath us. However I am going to keep the faith is it is alright with you?

    And as I say, if my hope is dashed on the ropes, I don't see that it has very much to do with Q really. There will be military intervention or there won't.

    And when the next ray of light comes along I won't be closing my eyes.
    Well said. I've followed Q lightly too, and am well aware of the belief of Joseph Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitts (two people whom I hold in high regard) that it is a psyop designed to distract from the issue of skulduggery in the world of finance. That's an important issue that we must not lose sight of.

    It may be 'hopium' and 'hope porn' - but the opposite of hope is despair. If we sink into despair, it's over, all is lost; so for my part I'll stay positive and hopeful.
    I hear you HikerChick but the thing is, despair is what makes people take action, it's when they have their backs to the wall that they come out fighting.
    I'm full of worldly hopes, but while living on the edge of hope we let the opposite surround us.
    Stay strong inside but also push, push outwards and gain strength as well.

    Stay well all and have some
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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    I hear you HikerChick but the thing is, despair is what makes people take action, it's when they have their backs to the wall that they come out fighting.
    I'm full of worldly hopes, but while living on the edge of hope we let the opposite surround us.
    Stay strong inside but also push, push outwards and gain strength as well.

    Stay well all and have some
    Alan
    Thanks Alan, though I would respectfully say that what you're describing is defiance, not despair, as the dictionary definition of despair is "the feeling that there is no hope and that you can do nothing to improve a difficult or worrying situation". There's no hope whatsoever in despair, though defiance can lead on from it...

    I had to listen to this from my buddy just after Biden was called by the networks; "even Alex Jones says it's over" etc. etc., and I had quite an uphill task to convince otherwise...

    It's good to see so many with their backs to the wall who have the fighting spirit in them, it ain't over yet. Stay well and have some too!
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    Something optimistic in case of a Biden victory

    The reason Trump , an outsider, won was because so many got that our politics is heavily corrupted. Some thoughtful voices on the more woke left see Trump as revealing the system in all its ugliness.

    There are loads of young people living off left hopium.

    If you get a full on corporate oligarchy under Biden, including resumed wars, poverty, lock downs, dictatorship by the billionaire class, authoritarian globalist machinations from the UN and WEF, and zero policy to help the struggling ordinary person, many of those young lefties will have their awakening.

    Lets hope they dont fall for the authoritarian hard left hiding behind people like AOC but rather demand a revolution in democracy, transparency and accountability.

    So be it.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Im listening Tom Kat, but hold on. The curtain has yet to come down.

    There is much that doesnt add up for my own eyes , regardless of these people. The massive crowds for trump, the rally's , and 0 excitement for biden .
    The obvious voting fraud cought on camera on cnn, posted here. The actual election night results on election day having Trump the winner. The Biden hard drive issue obviously covered up. All this in front of my own eyes, dont need a Q to tell me something is very off with all this.
    The disappointing thing for me is that everyone saw the fraud coming, including Trump, but nothing was done to prevent it. Trump has always struck me as the kid who got through school copying answers off other people's tests, so I didn't expect much due diligence from him (let's not forget, he appointed people he'd seen on TV, like Larry Kudlow, to important positions). But I thought he had people behind him who were on top of things. Maybe they were just on top of Trump, there to contain him and make sure he toed the line for the establishment? Maybe they were feeding him the same line of BS that Q told the world -- "any day now, we're gonna pull the trigger and put this country right!"

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    The massive crowds that appeared in DC was thrown together in a matter of several days. That should tell you something. They weren't just any old bunch. They were the patriots of the country. Antifa/Blm dared to rear their ugly heads and start trouble. They soon found out that the police were there to protect the MAGA protesters.... They didn't like that.

    This crowd was massive, but it would have been larger had the ones on the highway been allowed in. It was awesome!!

    One thing this day has shown is that the AMERICAN PEOPLE have made their choices known. These are the ones who voted for President Trump and were pissed that their votes had been stolen. (I suspect mine was too from I saw at our polling site).

    What I see from this "Protest" was all of them saying, "CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?"

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    The disappointing thing for me is that everyone saw the fraud coming, including Trump, but nothing was done to prevent it. Trump has always struck me as the kid who got through school copying answers off other people's tests, so I didn't expect much due diligence from him (let's not forget, he appointed people he'd seen on TV, like Larry Kudlow, to important positions). But I thought he had people behind him who were on top of things. Maybe they were just on top of Trump, there to contain him and make sure he toed the line for the establishment? Maybe they were feeding him the same line of BS that Q told the world -- "any day now, we're gonna pull the trigger and put this country right!"
    I would say it is easier to convict someone of criminal fraud if they are caught in the act, rather than trying to convict someone for just thinking of committing criminal fraud
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    Quote Posted by Billy (here)
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    The disappointing thing for me is that everyone saw the fraud coming, including Trump, but nothing was done to prevent it. Trump has always struck me as the kid who got through school copying answers off other people's tests, so I didn't expect much due diligence from him (let's not forget, he appointed people he'd seen on TV, like Larry Kudlow, to important positions). But I thought he had people behind him who were on top of things. Maybe they were just on top of Trump, there to contain him and make sure he toed the line for the establishment? Maybe they were feeding him the same line of BS that Q told the world -- "any day now, we're gonna pull the trigger and put this country right!"
    I would say it is easier to convict someone of criminal fraud if they are caught in the act, rather than trying to convict someone for just thinking of committing criminal fraud
    Yet it appears nobody was caught in the act.

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    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    For the last many years there have been many purveyors of "hope porn," the most famous being Q Anon. Govt think tanks conjured up a cast of story tellers: everyone from Sorcha Fahl to Mark Richards to BD Anon to Steve Pieczenik (vote fraud was part of a "sting"), virtually ALL with histories in the military or intel community. Their job was to take the energy out of any potential resistance to their plans. Now these people, and their dupes, have been discredited or embarrassed with the Biden winning of the election. It's the big letdown. Goodbye Q Anon, Wilcock and professional professional liars everywhere. Kerry Cassidy, keep waiting for JFK Jr to appear and lead a tired nation! You'll be alone.

    Unfortunately, now it looks like we've got a real fight on our hands. We will have to refuse the mandatory vaccines, maybe lose our jobs or freedom over it. Now that the battle is nearly lost because of those idiots, it's going to be much tougher than it would have been.

    It's a similar ploy to fundamentalist Christianity turning a coming hell on earth into "good news, Jesus is coming!"

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    The Q drops are one of the reasons I 'woke up' and joined Avalon. I'd known for many years that the NWO/Iluminati was real, but I'd decided to withdraw from the political world, put my head down and have an easier life not dealing with the consequences of that knowledge. It was trying to falsify the Q drops which helped wake me up to the level of deception, which I then found went a lot further than I'd realised.

    I won't be the only one. So even if the only tangible benefit is more people questioning the status quo, this operation may prove helpful in the long run.

    If there is a long run of course...


    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Jerome Corsi among others says Q is a military consortium. I feel that is very possible and plausible.

    All the government agencies, the ABC agencies are people. Just people, with kids and cars and wants and dreams.

    Some are good, and some are bad, whatever that all means? so some are with us and some against us.
    Having looked at the style, content and scope of the Q drops I came to the conclusion that there was likely a military or intel agency involvement. I found this quote from a former US General, Paul E Vallely:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ujqDAyWiWKv2/

    This is the 'Army of Northern Virginia he refers to aka Intelligence Support Activity:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell...pport_Activity

    They're in a position to know a great deal about the clandestine world.
    Look at their logo. Does that look a little like the 17th letter of the alphabet?


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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Having looked at the style, content and scope of the Q drops I came to the conclusion that there was likely a military or intel agency involvement. I found this quote from a former US General, Paul E Vallely:

    This is the 'Army of Northern Virginia he refers to aka Intelligence Support Activity:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell...pport_Activity

    They're in a position to know a great deal about the clandestine world.
    I'm always quite leery of information coming from ex military who were high up in black ops, and psychological operations. Paul Vallely is one of my poster children for this. The inspiration behind, and author of "Mind War", to me is not the kind of person to look to for the straight scoop:

    Quote The advantage of MindWar is that it conducts wars in nonlethal, noninjurious, and
    nondestructive ways. Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize
    control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire. Everyone is happy, no one gets hurt or killed, and nothing is destroyed
    Quote While in the 1980s I had no reason to think that this paper had had any official effect
    upon U.S. PSYOP doctrine within or beyond the Army, it was with some fascination that I saw specific of its prescriptions applied during the first Gulf War, and recently even more obviously during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. In both instances extreme PSYOP was directed both against the object of the attack and upon U.S. domestic public perception and opinion, in 2003 to the extent of “embedding” journalists with military units to inevitably channel their perspectives and perceptions.
    https://flowofwisdom.files.wordpress...ael-aquino.pdf

    His very close association with Michael Aquino who authored the above, should give one pause as well, it does me anyway. Notice how he even freely admits "Mind War" was used twice on the American people? According to him that's a good thing.

    Also a specialist in psychological warfare, and an ordained Satanic priest.

    Quote In 1968 he joined the army as a specialist in psychological warfare. The next year he joined the Church of Satan. His career in the church was put on hold while he served a tour of duty in Vietnam, but shortly after his return to the United States in 1971, he was ordained as a Satanic priest and organized a group (termed a grotto) that met at his home.
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    I'm always quite leery of information coming from ex military who were high up in black ops, and psychological operations. Paul Vallely is one of my poster children for this. The inspiration behind, and author of "Mind War", to me is not the kind of person to look to for the straight scoop:

    Quote The advantage of MindWar is that it conducts wars in nonlethal, noninjurious, and
    nondestructive ways. Essentially you overwhelm your enemy with argument. You seize
    control of all of the means by which his government and populace process information to make up their minds, and you adjust it so that those minds are made up as you desire. Everyone is happy, no one gets hurt or killed, and nothing is destroyed
    Quote While in the 1980s I had no reason to think that this paper had had any official effect
    upon U.S. PSYOP doctrine within or beyond the Army, it was with some fascination that I saw specific of its prescriptions applied during the first Gulf War, and recently even more obviously during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. In both instances extreme PSYOP was directed both against the object of the attack and upon U.S. domestic public perception and opinion, in 2003 to the extent of “embedding” journalists with military units to inevitably channel their perspectives and perceptions.
    https://flowofwisdom.files.wordpress...ael-aquino.pdf

    His very close association with Michael Aquino who authored the above, should give one pause as well, it does me anyway. Notice how he even freely admits "Mind War" was used twice on the American people? According to him that's a good thing.

    Also a specialist in psychological warfare, and an ordained Satanic priest.

    Quote In 1968 he joined the army as a specialist in psychological warfare. The next year he joined the Church of Satan. His career in the church was put on hold while he served a tour of duty in Vietnam, but shortly after his return to the United States in 1971, he was ordained as a Satanic priest and organized a group (termed a grotto) that met at his home.
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/science...o-michael-1946
    Fwiw on Q, I think it's got that heady mix of true and disinformation that keeps folk hooked, but there's some big questions on many of the claims. Not least that Trump is a selfless crusader for truth, justice and the American way. My own take is that they are all actors playing roles to a script sent from elsewhere.

    As to objectives, I'm beginning to wonder if Q hasn't supplied the building blocks for the second American civil war. The simpsons showed Trump in a coffin. Half the country thinks he's a hero fighting the greatest evil conceivable, the other half thinks he's the antichrist personified. A heady mixture.

    I didn't know the association with Aquino. Not a nice man...

    I have no idea if there's any validity to the Vallely attribution, like much of the Q stuff I concluded that it was impossible to falsify and therefore everything had to be taken with a grain of salt. There was one slightly corroborating remark by BDAnon, another highly questionable 'source' / Larp

    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/threa...828/#235113491

    Quote Nah the Q group is located in Northern Virginia and is funded by a billionaire. Basically intelligence folks who have a pattern of playing both sides of the street. But given their funding they may stay on the good side now.

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