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    https://www.vogue.com/article/harry-...-december-2020

    I'm not terribly familiar with Harry Styles; am kind of dimly aware of him like most people who aren't cavemen are. He was in a boy band, I know that. Not sure which one, but it's likely I bobbed my head to a tune or 2 from them without even knowing it. Hey, boy bands can make some catchy tunes.

    I likely wouldn't have even been aware of this photo shoot had I not been an avid listener of the Ben Shapiro show, where he discussed it in length recently. I'm not even sure if it's worthy of a thread, but I'm curious to see what y'all think..

    I'm of 2 minds on it:

    mind number 1: who gives a f#ck?
    mind number 2: maybe we should give a f#ck

    Maybe some of you have seen it: he's dressed garishly in these frumpy dresses, looking quite silly in my estimation. It's all meant to "redefine" masculinity I assume..or is a symbolic middle finger to "toxic masculinity", or some such weird sh!t.

    But, as Shapiro points out, maybe it's not really an attack on "toxic masculinity"; perhaps it's just an attack on masculinity, period. While the word "attack" feels a bit dramatic to me, I do think Shapiro has a point.

    I'm not sure if that's what's annoying me, or if it's just that the whole thing seems affected. They're presenting Styles as some gender bending hero, someone we're supposed to laud for his "bravery" and "courage". And that's 2020 for you: men who fight in cages for a living are "toxic", and those who wear dresses are "brave". Go figure.

    I'm pretty sure if it was hip and progressive to wear flannels and carhart pants and work boots, this dude would be posing in a Paul Bunyon outfit. He's doing what he's doing for hipster points, and all the inevitable pats on the head he'll get from the woke crowd, in my judgement.

    On a serious note, I do fear that he is the plaything of sinister forces we're only just beginning to understand..forces that are seeking to undermine western values and invert our most basic and obvious truths.

    Anyway, I suspect he'll be embarrassed by all this in the future. Meanwhile I'll be embarrassed for him.
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    Default Re: Harry Styles Does Vogue Photoshoot Wearing Dresses

    Not sure if it's an attack on toxic masculinity but it's certainly an attack on fashion!


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    Default Re: Harry Styles Does Vogue Photoshoot Wearing Dresses



    Normally the photographer Harry Style is French, so with the confinement in France the photographer has been replaced ... or would he have several?




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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    https://www.vogue.com/article/harry-...-december-2020

    I'm not terribly familiar with Harry Styles; am kind of dimly aware of him like most people who aren't cavemen are. He was in a boy band, I know that. Not sure which one, but it's likely I bobbed my head to a tune or 2 from them without even knowing it. Hey, boy bands can make some catchy tunes.

    I likely wouldn't have even been aware of this photo shoot had I not been an avid listener of the Ben Shapiro show, where he discussed it in length recently. I'm not even sure if it's worthy of a thread, but I'm curious to see what y'all think..

    I'm of 2 minds on it:

    mind number 1: who gives a f#ck?
    mind number 2: maybe we should give a f#ck

    Maybe some of you have seen it: he's dressed garishly in these frumpy dresses, looking quite silly in my estimation. It's all meant to "redefine" masculinity I assume..or is a symbolic middle finger to "toxic masculinity", or some such weird sh!t.

    But, as Shapiro points out, maybe it's not really an attack on "toxic masculinity"; perhaps it's just an attack on masculinity, period. While the word "attack" feels a bit dramatic to me, I do think Shapiro has a point.

    I'm not sure if that's what's annoying me, or if it's just that the whole thing seems affected. They're presenting Styles as some gender bending hero, someone we're supposed to laud for his "bravery" and "courage". And that's 2020 for you: men who fight in cages for a living are "toxic", and those who wear dresses are "brave". Go figure.

    I'm pretty sure if it was hip and progressive to wear flannels and carhart pants and work boots, this dude would be posing in a Paul Bunyon outfit. He's doing what he's doing for hipster points, and all the inevitable pats on the head he'll get from the woke crowd, in my judgement.

    On a serious note, I do fear that he is the plaything of sinister forces we're only just beginning to understand..forces that are seeking to undermine western values and invert our most basic and obvious truths.

    Anyway, I suspect he'll be embarrassed by all this in the future. Meanwhile I'll be embarrassed for him.
    I think the only way you can understand the agenda which is being pursued here is to research what the mystery schools and secret societies actually believe about androgyny. They see it as an ideal state, divine if you will. It's quite a deep subject and maybe worth a thread of its own, but if you wanted a starting point, look at the Kabbalist tree of life with its three axis. Left is female, right is male, the middle one is that which combines the two. See also the Baphomet, male and female in one. If it feels like masculinity is under attack, that's because it is. Just don't think femininity will be spared.

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    "just don't think femininity will be spared.." That's an interesting statement there Journeyman. Could you talk about that a little more? Thx

    Ben's take here is brilliant. 10 mins. Highly suggested:

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Do also see these two interesting threads:


    Hi Bill, please merge if you feel it's appropriate!

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    Cock !

    My reply was too short !

    I'll say it again.

    Cock !

    Would love to really vent on what's wrong with "this" and all it's connected to but it's just not ever going to be a part of my life.

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    Default Re: Harry Styles Does Vogue Photoshoot Wearing Dresses

    Well, if he's been passed around certain circles like a bowl of M and Ms and told to put on a dress for his next 'pay rise', then he wouldn't be the first.
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    To me this is an area that needs to be navigated very carefully. On the one hand there is likely an agenda to disempower and neuter masculinity and the rugged beauty and strength that comes with it.... but on the otherhand is the potential to push a stereotype that that can be toxic and damaging to the many who don't fit comfortably in the box.

    30 years ago my friend... a very blokey guy... confided in me that he felt jealous of the fashion choices women had. He felt that society gave men a raw deal with an extremely narrow array of choices that were deemed acceptable for men. And he eas someone who fit quite comfortably in the social box.

    So in many ways I think it is positive that men have more freedom to explore and express themselves in fashion today.

    However, I feel that the problem really is that we have been heavily programmed to get our cues on how we should look from outside sources. Men are now being shoved down the road that did, and continues to do, so much damage for women. Things like manscaping and ecouraged to feel shame about body hair in wrong places etc.

    Ultimately none of this would matter if everyone stopped judging eachother and we allowed each other to be free to express ourselves freely in our appearance.
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    A fun meme (from Russia ):


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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    "just don't think femininity will be spared.." That's an interesting statement there Journeyman. Could you talk about that a little more? Thx
    At the risk of sounding nuts , the same reason that both towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed...

    The goal isn't simply to destroy masculinity. It's to elevate 'divine androgyny'. That means Harry Styles in a dress, but it also means female icons in male attire.

    Look at 'One World Trade Center'

    https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/...verall2_mg.jpg

    Do you get the impression that there are alternate triangles, going up and going down? See here:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/a6...fb77a9b3a9.jpg

    or here:
    http://www.celestialights.com/Crysta...drawing2_2.gif

    See how the upward symbolises male, downward female?

    You can't build One World Trade Center and the giant 'Oculus' eye that adjoins it without destroying the two towers that preceded it. You can't 'ascend' to divine androgyny on Earth without destroying both Masculinity and Femininity.

    The Hollyweird thread taught me a lot. Look at the role models that young girls and women are presented with. Miley Cyrus etc. Look at the storylines Hollywood favours. The elite are working to an agenda and perhaps a timetable.

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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)

    At the risk of sounding nuts , the same reason that both towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed...

    The goal isn't simply to destroy masculinity. It's to elevate 'divine androgyny'. That means Harry Styles in a dress, but it also means female icons in male attire.

    Look at 'One World Trade Center'

    https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/...verall2_mg.jpg

    Do you get the impression that there are alternate triangles, going up and going down? See here:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/a6...fb77a9b3a9.jpg

    or here:
    http://www.celestialights.com/Crysta...drawing2_2.gif

    See how the upward symbolises male, downward female?

    You can't build One World Trade Center and the giant 'Oculus' eye that adjoins it without destroying the two towers that preceded it. You can't 'ascend' to divine androgyny on Earth without destroying both Masculinity and Femininity.

    The Hollyweird thread taught me a lot. Look at the role models that young girls and women are presented with. Miley Cyrus etc. Look at the storylines Hollywood favours. The elite are working to an agenda and perhaps a timetable.
    Not nuts at all. There has definitely been an attempted perversion and inversion of our masculine and feminine energies.

    The thing is, we are here to fully embody and express all of our masculine and feminine energies so that we can experience a heaven-on-earth, right here, right now.

    Anything less than that expression is an insult to our souls and can be ignored.

    We won't create a new paradigm by placing our focus and energies on the old. If we want to have peace and create a heaven-on-earth for ourselves, we have to broadcast another kind of energy, one that doesn't resist evil (for whatever we resist persists), rather, one that runs towards new possibilities and potentials.
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    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)

    At the risk of sounding nuts , the same reason that both towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed...

    The goal isn't simply to destroy masculinity. It's to elevate 'divine androgyny'. That means Harry Styles in a dress, but it also means female icons in male attire.

    Look at 'One World Trade Center'

    https://images.skyscrapercenter.com/...verall2_mg.jpg

    Do you get the impression that there are alternate triangles, going up and going down? See here:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/a6...fb77a9b3a9.jpg

    or here:
    http://www.celestialights.com/Crysta...drawing2_2.gif

    See how the upward symbolises male, downward female?

    You can't build One World Trade Center and the giant 'Oculus' eye that adjoins it without destroying the two towers that preceded it. You can't 'ascend' to divine androgyny on Earth without destroying both Masculinity and Femininity.

    The Hollyweird thread taught me a lot. Look at the role models that young girls and women are presented with. Miley Cyrus etc. Look at the storylines Hollywood favours. The elite are working to an agenda and perhaps a timetable.
    Not nuts at all. There has definitely been an attempted perversion and inversion of our masculine and feminine energies.

    The thing is, we are here to fully embody and express all of our masculine and feminine energies so that we can experience a heaven-on-earth, right here, right now.

    Anything less than that expression is an insult to our souls and can be ignored.

    We won't create a new paradigm by placing our focus and energies on the old. If we want to have peace and create a heaven-on-earth for ourselves, we have to broadcast another kind of energy, one that doesn't resist evil (for whatever we resist persists), rather, one that runs towards new possibilities and potentials.

    That's interesting. Thank you

    My instinctive response to this is to highlight it, analyse and deconstruct it. I find it hard to ignore, because I worry about where it may be heading, be it enforced vaccinations or 5G etc.

    However I've for a long time eschewed the spiritual view and am very much a beginner in this area.

    So I have a lot to learn!

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    I'm of 2 minds on it:

    mind number 1: who gives a f#ck?
    mind number 2: maybe we should give a f#ck
    Hey Mike, check me into the "who gives a f#ck" category. I heard the Candice Owens/Ben Shapiro take yesterday, and all I could think was with all the stuff going on in the world, especially here in the year from hell 2020, don't y'all have better places to be focusing your energies than this ever ongoing culture war?

    I remember my dad telling me how shocked his parents were, when they first saw a very young Elvis writhing his hips.

    And I remember my parent's generation being shocked when David Bowie posed in a dress.

    We will always have rough burly men, we will always have men in the middle somewhere, we will always have feminine gay men, and we will always have men of more an artsy fartsy persuasion that may do things just as a fashion statement, they really like it, or whatever.

    There's a reporter for a small town newspaper near me that wears a dress wherever he goes. He's a very blubbery, overweight, very non attractive man in his 50's, and I always have winced when seeing him out and about doing his job in something that looks like little more than a frilly gaudy night gown.

    But you know what? At the end of the day, I'm still like so f#cking what. That's him, that's his thing no matter how utterly ridiculous he looks with those shaved stocky man legs in heels. He was obviously born with that peculiar penchant, he's brave enough not to hide it, so I say have at it, I've got bigger fish to fry that clutch my pearls that he may be a part of ruining masculine society.

    There will always be more men born like that, but there will always be many more me born into the macho Paul Bunyan type of role. I think we should let people be who they are (we don't have to celebrate it!), just like we all finally accepted that David Bowie thought it was cool to sport a dress. Again, so f#cking what...

    Life will go on, the republic will not fall over guys in dresses.
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    I do remember Dave Chapelle years ago talking about how he was heavily pressured to dress in women’s clothes for a skit..He resisted, and finally was told by an exasperated executive “Just put on the dress, Dave!” Dave left Hollywood soon after, for his time in Africa.
    There is a long tradition in Hollywood to have men dressed as women as a symbol of their surrender to the ruling elite. Harry in Vogue is simply a continuation - think Tony Curtis in “Some Like it Hot”, Dustin Hoffman in “Tootsie”, Robin Williams in “Mrs. Doubtfire” even Kurt Cobain in “Smells Like Teen Spirit” video.

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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    I'm of 2 minds on it:

    mind number 1: who gives a f#ck?
    mind number 2: maybe we should give a f#ck
    Hey Mike, check me into the "who gives a f#ck" category. I heard the Candice Owens/Ben Shapiro take yesterday, and all I could think was with all the stuff going on in the world, especially here in the year from hell 2020, don't y'all have better places to be focusing your energies than this ever ongoing culture war?

    I remember my dad telling me how shocked his parents were, when they first saw a very young Elvis writhing his hips.

    And I remember my parent's generation being shocked when David Bowie posed in a dress.

    We will always have rough burly men, we will always have men in the middle somewhere, we will always have feminine gay men, and we will always have men of more an artsy fartsy persuasion that may do things just as a fashion statement, they really like it, or whatever.

    There's a reporter for a small town newspaper near me that wears a dress wherever he goes. He's a very blubbery, overweight, very non attractive man in his 50's, and I always have winced when seeing him out and about doing his job in something that looks like little more than a frilly gaudy night gown.

    But you know what? At the end of the day, I'm still like so f#cking what. That's him, that's his thing no matter how utterly ridiculous he looks with those shaved stocky man legs in heels. He was obviously born with that peculiar penchant, he's brave enough not to hide it, so I say have at it, I've got bigger fish to fry that clutch my pearls that he may be a part of ruining masculine society.

    There will always be more men born like that, but there will always be many more me born into the macho Paul Bunyan type of role. I think we should let people be who they are (we don't have to celebrate it!), just like we all finally accepted that David Bowie thought it was cool to sport a dress. Again, so f#cking what...

    Life will go on, the republic will not fall over guys in dresses.


    a photoshoot in and of itself is no big deal, of course. what troubles me is that this might be a symptom of a much bigger problem.

    i'm all for freedom of self expression, of doing your thing without fear of judgement and so forth. that man in your town who wears the dress, God bless him. if he's living his authentic life, and he's not harming anyone, good for him. i support that 150%.

    but this gender stuff has become the exact opposite in my estimation. it presents itself as being a form of freedom, but what it's really become is a dogmatic ideology being rammed down everyone's throats. it's not about doing your thing and expressing yourself really, it's more to do with expressing yourself and demanding that everyone change their lives in order to accommodate your expression.

    Elvis and Bowie didn't attempt to reinvent the language or demand they be referred to by some variation of an endless list of pronouns or some newly invented term used to denote oppression they could tack onto lgbqt....etc...etc...etc. They didn't chop off their d!cks either!

    Bowie was genuinely playing with gender, as an entertaining experiment. When it was over a year or so later he spent the rest of his life wearing fancy suits and dating women. These kids these days aren't playing! They're serious. Deadly serious. And what they're asking us to do is forfeit objective reality in favor of their subjective delusions. If there was just one or two doing this, no biggie. But the numbers are growing exponentially and so then is the power of the delusion.

    So I would say, whether the republic falls over guys in dresses all depends on how many guys in dresses there are!
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    a photoshoot in and of itself is no big deal, of course. what troubles me is that this might be a symptom of a much bigger problem.

    i'm all for freedom of self expression, of doing your thing without fear of judgement and so forth. that man in your town who wears the dress, God bless him. if he's living his authentic life, and he's not harming anyone, good for him. i support that 150%.

    but this gender stuff has become the exact opposite in my estimation. it presents itself as being a form of freedom, but what it's really become is a dogmatic ideology being rammed down everyone's throats. it's not about doing your thing and expressing yourself really, it's more to do with expressing yourself and demanding that everyone change their lives in order to accommodate your expression.

    Elvis and Bowie didn't attempt to reinvent the language or demand they be referred to by some variation of an endless list of pronouns or some newly invented term used to denote oppression they could tack onto lgbqt....etc...etc...etc. They didn't chop off their d!cks either!
    But Mike, that's not what he's doing here. I just went back and suffered through that article, and as suspected, the kid just likes playing dress up. First his sister says he always liked to play dress up as a child:

    Quote I ask her whether her brother had always been interested in clothes.

    “My mum loved to dress us up,” she remembers. “I always hated it, and Harry was always quite into it. She did some really elaborate papier-mâché outfits: She made a giant mug and then painted an atlas on it, and that was Harry being ‘The World Cup.’ Harry also had a little dalmatian-dog outfit,” she adds, “a hand-me-down from our closest family friends. He would just spend an inordinate amount of time wearing that outfit. But then Mum dressed me up as Cruella de Vil. She was always looking for any opportunity!”

    “As a kid I definitely liked fancy dress,” Styles says. There were school plays, the first of which cast him as Barney, a church mouse. “I was really young, and I wore tights for that,” he recalls. “I remember it was crazy to me that I was wearing a pair of tights. And that was maybe where it all kicked off!”

    And then further down he says he got his current idea of playing dress up from a friend of his 7 years ago:

    Quote He just has fun with clothing, and that’s kind of where I’ve got it from,” says Styles of Lambert. “He doesn’t take it too seriously, which means I don’t take it too seriously.” The process has been evolutionary. At his first meeting with Lambert, the stylist proposed “a pair of flares, and I was like, ‘Flares? That’s ****ing crazy,’  ” Styles remembers. Now he declares that “you can never be overdressed. There’s no such thing. The people that I looked up to in music—Prince and David Bowie and Elvis and Freddie Mercury and Elton John—they’re such showmen. As a kid it was completely mind-blowing. Now I’ll put on something that feels really flamboyant, and I don’t feel crazy wearing it. I think if you get something that you feel amazing in, it’s like a superhero outfit. Clothes are there to have fun with and experiment with and play with. What’s really exciting is that all of these lines are just kind of crumbling away. When you take away ‘There’s clothes for men and there’s clothes for women,’ once you remove any barriers, obviously you open up the arena in which you can play. I’ll go in shops sometimes, and I just find myself looking at the women’s clothes thinking they’re amazing. It’s like anything—anytime you’re putting barriers up in your own life, you’re just limiting yourself. There’s so much joy to be had in playing with clothes. I’ve never really thought too much about what it means—it just becomes this extended part of creating something.
    When it comes to the whole infinite number of demanded gender blending pronouns that can change on a daily basis, or the whole encouraging young children to begin pondering their gender sort of thing, I'm right there with you. I think we'll still disagree on how pervasive it actually is, and how potentially dangerous it really is to the foundations of our overall society, but yes by all means, I agree with your sentiments on that type of thing 100%.

    But again, that's not what home slice is doing here. I'm glad others like Elton John, and Freddie Mercury were mentioned, I would throw Liberace into the mix as well. Some dudes are just flamboyant, and like to play dress up.

    I don't think he's any more a symptom of this other, very obvious problem, than these other guys mentioned, even though it wasn't around then.

    Anyway, gawd that article was tough to read, I find the private lives of pop culture celebrities about as interesting as watching paint dry...
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    it's possible i'm conflating some things, admittedly. for better or worse, i'm viewing all the gender bending stuff as one homogeneous whole. but when i see an apparently straight man in a dress, a big star on a mag cover, i can't help but view that as a political statement. to me it's a statement that goes beyond a mere desire to play dress up. after all, he could just do that privately. but he's chosen this big publication.

    but it may just be that my tin foil hat is too tight! i can see how it may look from your perspective, i really can...that perhaps i'm being paranoid, that i'm overreacting. and i respect that. there's even a voice in the back of my head that's chastising me as i write this - it's saying something like, "let it go dude. it's nothing. why so serious?" but there's another voice saying, "these things happen in steps bud, and these steps are happening right in front of your face...be wary."

    i'm a gemini, what can i say? i'm of 2 minds on nearly everything.

    hey, respect to you for suffering thru the article. even i didn't do that (skimmed it), and it's my bloody thread
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    Default Re: Harry Styles Does Vogue Photoshoot Wearing Dresses

    Imagine for a moment that a man was fully empowered, fully present, fully in touch with his pure masculine energies and living and expressing that as a way of being.

    What would that look like?

    If a man was fully in touch with his pure masculine energies and living and expressing that as a way of being, would he ever need or want dress like a woman?

    Do we have any true role models for what pure masculine energy represents or have we lost touch with what our ancient ancestors embodied?

    Are men who dress like women compensating for what is missing from their lives?

    If we were all living a heaven-on-earth being all that we are, with no one else to answer to, no one else to consider, and no one else to please, would any one of us ever bother to dress fashionably or dress in clothing at all?

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