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    Did anyone ever read the sci-fi novel called "The Children of Men"?
    Chilling, but sadly also quite prescient in many ways.

    from wikipedia:
    "The Children of Men is a dystopian novel by English writer P. D. James, published in 1992. Set in England in 2021, it centres on the results of mass infertility. James describes a United Kingdom that is steadily depopulating and focuses on a small group of resisters who do not share the disillusionment of the masses.

    The book received very positive reviews from many critics such as Caryn James of The New York Times, who called it "wonderfully rich" and "a trenchant analysis of politics and power that speaks urgently".[1] The academic Alan Jacobs said, "Of all James’ novels, The Children of Men is probably the most pointed in its social criticism, certainly the deepest in its theological reflection."

    "The novel opens with the first entry in Theo's diary. It is the year 2021, but the novel's events have their origin in 1995, which is referred to as "Year Omega". In 1994, the sperm count of human males plummeted to zero, a feminist civil war broke out, and mankind now faces imminent extinction. The last people to be born are now called "Omegas". "A race apart", they enjoy various prerogatives."
    read more, particularly the bullet points of this book
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    Sue, I did read Children of Men. It made quite an impression on me. Written by P.D. James (as you mentioned), it was the only "science fiction" she ever wrote. She was a very prolific writer, but all her other books were mysteries. Interesting to me that she felt the need to write this stand alone dystopian book. It was made into a movie in 2006, I think. I didn't see it so I can't comment on whether or not it accurately followed her plot line.

    It's strange to me that "they" have waited this long to address the "overpopulation" issue. The book The Population Bomb was published in 1968, which was an extremely alarmist view of the toxic impact of too many humans on the planet. In my area of the US that book really had an impact on social mores and there was significant social pressure to limit the size of one's family to two children, and, probably for the first time in history, you were considered noble if you didn't have any children at all.

    Then gradually, perhaps over ten years, the social pressure disappeared and it became politically incorrect to even mention the word overpopulation. The population of the world has more than doubled since that time. If they want to cull us, why did they let the population double in fifty years?

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    Here is the video trailer 'Children Of Men'. I have not read the book, but I did see the movie.

    There is violence in parts of the film as it takes place in times of world chaos. It is one of those movies you never forget and I think well worth watching.

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/children_of_men




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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    There has been no explanation for the explosive growth in population that covers all the angles. Growth was a slow linear movement, with fits and starts along the way. In 1850 there was the first billion mark. By 1950, two billion. In the last 70 years it has exploded!
    Yes. For a long time, it looked linear, but it's not. It's a classic exponential curve. Here it is:


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    • We are NOT "overpopulated" for so many reasons ... (international) mismanagement is one of them!
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • We are NOT "overpopulated" for so many reasons ... (international) mismanagement is one of them!
    Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm making an obvious, Emperor's New Clothes statement that population growth can't continue forever.

    I'd assert that should be self-evident to anyone with intelligence. (We're not going to be able to terraform, colonize and emigrate to other planets before things get out of control here.)

    Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?
    Here's the question to anyone reading this — originally addressed to Tangri:
    • What do you think the limit is?
    There a subtlety here. This is a very emotionally-laden issue. We have to think clearly, if we can.

    Nothing I'm saying means that people have to be genocided, killed off, murdered, sterilized without their consent, or anything else that everyone reading this would agree would be immoral, unethical, or maybe just plain evil.

    I'm just saying there's a problem. If not today, then definitely sometime later.

    Look at the graph I posted for Ernie a couple of posts above. Where does that lead??

    You linked to the very interesting "Mouse Utopia": The Blackest Pill (James Corbett on the dangers of human overcrowding) thread.

    James Corbett's sarcasm sometimes borders on being unpleasant to listen to, and his video is heavily pointed and emotionally-persuasive — in itself a mark of propaganda. (Though Corbett would say it's positive propaganda, and he clearly cares deeply about the issue, imploring his followers not to buy into what he argues is hype.)

    It's not all that easy for most people to differentiate between the the facts he claims to report, and the way in which he presents his thesis.

    Overpopulation is a problem. It's so obvious. But as with David Icke's famous (and correct) Problem-Reaction-Solution thesis, the solutions we're presented with (whether we know they're being deployed or not) may not be the best ones, and may not be in our best interests. (English understatements intended. ).

    I don't trust the global controllers one tiny bit. Not for a second. But — overpopulation is still a problem. Just because the proposed solutions are unacceptable, that doesn't mean there's not an issue.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
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    Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?
    Way back when I was in college, I was studying non-linear equations and came across one that reflected population curves. It was a bit simplistic, with only a few base inputs (maybe 5 or 6 - it was long ago), but it was astonishingly accurate for almost any species. Out of curiosity, I ran humans on earth through the equation and I received an output that (IIRC) peaked at around 13 billion and then came down and settled at 11 billion. The delta between the peak and the settled number indicates overpopulation correcting itself naturally. In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.

    I personally believe 11 billion is well sustainable, but we need a massive shift away from consumerism and extreme capitalism as we know it. I know many people don't want to hear that - they don't want change, which is ubiquitous; as a manager, the biggest thing I had to learn to manage was people's resistance to change - even if the change was demonstrably for the better.

    I'm not advocating communism, as that system with its top down control structure also is not the answer.
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
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    Well, here's the question which I posed yesterday.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    ...

    Maybe 11.2 billion is sustainable. Maybe 15 billion — possibly. But 20 billion? 30 billion? 50 billion? More?
    Way back when I was in college, I was studying non-linear equations and came across one that reflected population curves. It was a bit simplistic, with only a few base inputs (maybe 5 or 6 - it was long ago), but it was astonishingly accurate for almost any species. Out of curiosity, I ran humans on earth through the equation and I received an output that (IIRC) peaked at around 13 billion and then came down and settled at 11 billion. The delta between the peak and the settled number indicates overpopulation correcting itself naturally. In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.

    I personally believe 11 billion is well sustainable, but we need a massive shift away from consumerism and extreme capitalism as we know it. I know many people don't want to hear that - they don't want change, which is ubiquitous; as a manager, the biggest thing I had to learn to manage was people's resistance to change - even if the change was demonstrably for the better.

    I'm not advocating communism, as that system with its top down control structure also is not the answer.
    Yes, thanks. The real issue may be
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    In nature, this correction usually comes through disease, starvation, lack of live-able environment or increase in predatory species.
    That's NOT the way we want to achieve stability. It'd involve an unimaginable amount of suffering. (With humans, "predatory species" = viruses and bacteria, very real and serious ones.)

    Somehow, we need to head that off at the pass, and do it in a way where the entire human population is on board with the plan, fully understands the issues, and there's no covert, Machiavellian high-level strategy to cull humanity by actually killing or sterilizing people without their knowledge or consent.

    No way can that be easy, but it has to be possible. One problem, of course, is disease and poverty — as in Africa and India — because large families are seen as a remedy for that. So it's very likely than in any equitable and ethical solution, that has to be addressed first. And again, that's extremely hard to do.

    Here's another Emperor's New Clothes observation. Our entire world is in a huge mess — almost broken (if you see it all from a high-altitude viewpoint). That's probably what the ETs think, and that's not meant as a joke.

    The "Great Reset" is no solution, but that doesn't mean there are no possible solutions available. And to seek solutions, one first has to look at the problem with eyes wide open. Very few may be doing that.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Somehow, we need to head that off at the pass, and do it in a way where the entire human population is on board with the plan, fully understands the issues, and there's no covert, Machiavellian high-level strategy to cull humanity by actually killing or sterilizing people without their knowledge or consent.
    TPTB appear to be very knowledgeable in the methods of behavioral change. Look how they have easily created masking and distancing in entire populations! Also look how easily they have created wrath and division and perversions.

    If we could just start with a humane plan and implement that strongly through the media, entertainment industries, etc., I truly believe the population would willingly and even eagerly start to change their habits as directed.

    "They" need to tell us what to do. How to start. Bandwagons and shunning are powerful motivators, as has been demonstrated, but so too is the perception of actually making a difference. I think if a perception was instilled by the "influencers", along that direction, it would be followed enthusiastically.

    Just 2 examples that pop to mind are the Victory Gardens and the war effort campaign for women to step in. (Rosie the Riveter) Folks felt good about doing these things.

    People really do want to help in their own small ways.
    Humane direction would be a good start.
    Publicize the problem heavily.
    Treat all with dignity, and ask us all to help and pitch in.
    I think that would result in fairly immediate results.
    Maybe the problem is how TPTB view the rest of humanity?
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    I contend, that like the election laws being contested in the USA and the entrenched corruption throughout the halls of power, it is the manipulation of the monetary system that exacerbates the situation. The problems in this world are multi-pronged but they stem from systemic corruption of all our institutions. Moreover, not only is there systemic corruption but the captains of industry, along with influential players in government and media and banking, conspire together in closed door yearly meetings. It is at those meetings that this handful of people, numbering a few thousand, collude to implement their agenda, without the consent or knowledge of the citizens of the world.

    That has to stop because it is treason to all their respective nations.

    The for-profit industries that we rely on must not be dominated by the savvy and cunning from wall street and industry. Areas such as housing, health care, education cannot be allowed to be dominated by those who wish to become rich. These are the essentials of life, the bare necessities, they cannot be leveraged for gain.

    But the most important thing is energy, it always has been. We must expend public resources in an effort to discover a new source of energy. Without it we are playing a zero sum game. Everything else takes a back seat to this consideration. With a new source of energy conducive and flexible enough for our modern age most of our problems would find easy solutions.

    But before that can happen, we all must understand the nature of the world we live in today. It is rife with systemic corruption through and through. As this corrupt system is exposed, assuming there is no higher, off-world connection to this saga, the masses will be educated about so many things. Only after all of the revelations can the groundswell begin in earnest.

    Until then the best we can do is lay the groundwork for that eventual day.
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    I have quoted Mark Buchanan’s Ubiquity, The Science of History… or Why the World is Simpler Than We Think on a number of occasions. It is based on the fact that you can pile up grains of sand or other particles up to a point when a landslide, small or large, will occur to establish a new equilibrium.

    If we apply this process to the issue of overpopulation, then we are dealing with a catastrophe that has long been imminent, having been announced for four centuries, but so far has failed to materialize. The earth’s population has more than tripled just in my lifetime, yet in the 17th century, some people were having a problem. How have we come to nearly 8 billion and counting? Because circumstances have changed, or rather our perceptions have changed. The world has got bigger; the western world largely stopped growing, while the east has grown to similar levels on a larger scale. Like other empires before it, America has become small on the world stage. This is the underlying reason for perceived overpopulation at this point in time: China has grown so much bigger.


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    Here's a slightly abridged snippet from a conversation I had with Bill in the chatroom earlier:

    Bill I'm just pro-Gaia. I'd love to see a spiritually and technologically advanced human population which is far smaller, living in balance with nature. I just don't want 6 or 7 billion people to be murdered.

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    Um, over-population. This whole premise never seems to take into account the incarnation or re-incarnation of souls. Without that being factored in it's almost a non-topic, or perhaps better stated, a discussion that can't really get going without that being on the table.

    From a practical and ecological perspective we have been needing to do things radically differently for EVER to include utilising and practising more rigourously free-energy models for power and a heightened psychic sense for communication. And most certainly to stop over producing. Over-production is the problem, not that there are too many people.

    But I'm open to being persuaded otherwise.

    And, no, murdering (or sacrificing to nefarious demonic entities) several billion people isn't the way to go. And it's extraordinarily unlikely that north of 7 billion souls have opted to be sacrificed. That, if true, would 'jump the shark' for me. Just not plausible.

    Bill Today at 13:19

    I'd say the overall problem (resulting in just about everything else which is a problem) is that we've become disconnected from nature. It's another indicator of a degenerating, degrading global culture.

    In Ecuador, like the Native Americans in North America several hundred years ago, the Incas lived in perfect balance. Now, I go for a hike past two or three smallholding farmers just for half an hour and I come back every time with bits of plastic trash and a soda bottle or two which I collect to be recycled. The locals don't care at all, or notice at all.

    They can't see it (and there's not a lot of it) — but it's there, hidden in the ditches and hedges, all the time unless I pick it up. That's what's changed, all over the world.

    Tintin Today at 13:23

    ...and it's incredibly awful. It's totally a removal from that [nature] balance - a spiritual illness that seems to have been either embraced whole-heartedly or foisted very cunningly (perhaps both) on the human population. That's a, or maybe even THE pandemic.

    Bill Today at 13:24

    Yes, absolutely :handshake2:
    Very few people can see it. Not the whole thing.

    Tintin Today at 13:32

    It's an experiment that must be being undertaken right now by White Hat elements: what if by concentrating those psychic dark spirit removal techniques on those who are wielding too much influence and power in the world, and they can be successfully removed (evil spirits quarantined) then, BOOM, we might have solved this practically (literally practically) and spiritually almost overnight.

    That to me seems to be perhaps the starting point to begin a different type of reset from the one being put into play right now.

    And perhaps the only way to get the ball rolling back towards that balance [with nature]. So, my argument may rest as well on there being an over-population of negative spiritual entities and NOT an over-population of vessels/people.
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    I do not think there is an upper limit to the carrying capacity of a planet. Not when science and technology are considered. But the trajectory of this world is another matter altogether. That is because we do not use our science properly and we exploit our technology for monetary gain. We call it capitalism but that is not what it is in this world.

    In this world it is about capturing resources, and holding them for ransom. It is also about leveraging positions and monopolizing sectors of the economy. It is also about hoarding information and securing ownership of intellectual property, and destroying competition.

    This world separated wealth from value and substituted work for living. We call it working for a living, that is what it might once have been...now it is actually merely living to work.

    We have created an atmosphere of animosity and a stratified method of success based on criteria not conducive to the whole. And we act as though there are many minds and independent thought some are blessed to capitalize on, while most others are doomed to be capitalized (exploited) by.

    We do not understand the nature of our collective.

    In such a scenario as we are now experiencing, yes, there is a limit. The limit is not because of the planet, the number of people or science. It is this system of exploitation that squanders the most important of humanity's resources, the individual.

    It is a well known fact, for example, that small business, driven by the entrepreneur, creates the most new jobs by far. Yet our system discourages new business and the playing field is slanted greatly against them.

    This is the same for the poor who, in this world, are penalized for their state of poverty. They pay a premium for services that others with greater incomes enjoy at a discount and sometimes even for free. This is the squandering of the human resource and is why this system has an upper limit.


    To reverse the trajectory of this system it is imperative to free the vast majority of citizens, empower them in a system that focuses on living and not working, and one that recognizes the wealth inherent in the diversity of the human family - and their capacity for innovation. Throttle the vast majority, force them by rote from birth to death to work long hours for little pay wastes that capacity.

    The capacity of this catastrophically flawed system is probably around ten billion, if a number must be stated.

    But considering how it could be, there is no upper limit because humanity will always 'McGiver' a fix if the system allows it to manifest - ours does not.
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    Default Re: The Depopulation Plan

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    I haven't been able to understand the benefit of the depopulation for the cabal. It seems to be that humanity is a lot more valuable in big numbers. The reason is that whatever low 4d entities are controlling the planet the past millenia, do not care about money or material productions. That is a goal of human ambition and selfishness which is much lower in their power hierarchy.

    It's all about feeding off the energy of humans, through lower emotions like fear, anger, hate, guilt, jealousy etc., pretty much anything the ego thrives on. When someone feels all those things, he/she radiates that energy. Where do you think it is going? Someone "eats" it to put it blatantly. The same way we hurt, kill each other and animals. It gives that temporary feeling of completeness, until the ego wakes up hungry again to repeat the process.

    That's why the whole societal system is based on fear mongering, trying to make humans always feel limited and incomplete. That's why there are ritualistic events that create mass fear and desperation (9/11, Covid, death of certain celebrities etc.). It's like a feast for them.

    Why would they want to depopulate humanity? The more "food" they have, the more chaos, the better for them.

    Good points!

    It seems to me that both the virus and the vaccine play a role in depopulation. The virus isn't doing much to damage children but it is hitting those with comorbidities, such as diabetes, heart disease, and immune-challenged disorders, so it's taking out the people who are the biggest financial drag on society. We always knew the Baby Boomers would create a financial drag when they retired en masse, so this virus could conceivably be designed to correct some of that drag. That is if it was created in a lab via gain of function (GoF) research, which (in my opinion) it was.

    Enter the vaccine, which we're hearing may result in temporary infertility. That will result in a population decline, but they don't just want the population, in general, to decline -- they want specific groups to breed less, most notably blacks. Again, just my opinion, but from the start of the virus, we heard how it targeted blacks, and now, we're hearing--because of that---blacks should be prioritized for the vaccine.

    It's almost as though the past few years of trying to make everyone believe systemic racism was afoot was in preparation to put blacks first when vaccinating. I hate to think that, but it seems to be possible.

    So, they don't want to reduce the population of all groups, but they are targeting the "undesirables" in our society, the aged, the weak, and certain races.

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    Default Re: The Depopulation Plan

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    I've been reading a fascinating, if chilliing site recently. The work of a former Christian Scientist, the author claims TPTB aka The Progeny of Jove, are working towards surviving an impending planetary cataclysm. One part of that plan has been allowing a population explosion in order to harvest the resulting leap in knowledge creation via the internet. However, once that harvest has been reaped, they don't want any of us to survive into the new order they will establish after they emerge from the caverns they prepared in Colorado.

    So there's artful distribution of spent nuclear waste, pandemics,

    https://amallulla.org/depopulation/

    Copy and paste is disabled so I can't quote directly. Taster attached, but there's a lot of interesting work on the website which involves decoding the Georgia Guidestones, the recent Disney 'Tomorrowland' movie and an alternative take on history and religion spanning thousands of years.

    Its not a cheery read mind!

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