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    Default Pain Remedies and Battling Suicidal Thoughts

    I am starting this thread as a place to compile alternate pain remedies and tactics to combat suicidal thoughts.

    Many people have been in pain for so long that they begin considering suicide as a remedy.

    The opioids in use by the drug companies are very poor for chronic pain.

    I know almost nothing about this field and wish to educate myself.

    I'll leave this post as is and not try to quickly post some video here to start off.

    I don't even know where to start looking or even what modalities I should consider.

    Otherwise, I want this thread to deal with those that have to deal with loved ones in this situation. It is very difficult to deal with, brings up thoughts about mortality and being alone, and is an awful feeling in general when you are helpless to help the one you love.

    So if any would like to share a story or experience or a thought I'd love to hear it.

    I'll be posting some of mine as we go along.

    I hope this can be a positive thread with lots of good info on pain relief and the means to keep our loved ones here when they want to give up.
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    Hi Ernie,

    Gabapentin works pretty well....until it doesn't and then opiods, I guess. Just be aware that the drug company name for it is neurontin. The street name for it is morontin, for good reason. I had been taking a fairly mild dose of it for 10 years because I didn't have a choice. I have recently been able to cut back radically and it has made a huge difference in brain function. Gabapentin is probably hard to come off of, in large doses. I have had no withdrawal type symptoms at all. I guess the crack is helping with that...kidding.

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    I'm finding that CBD oil helps me to endure chronic pain better, so that I'm not resorting so much to pain killers, and that in turn helps to avoid the blues.
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    Well, that's the kind of thing I wasn't expecting to read here on PA, but yes It makes total sense to give some thought on the issue and have something to share.

    If one person want to end his or her life, there is very little anyone can do about it, I really mean that, I knew someone that took his own life and it was a very sad thing if not a terrible one, society in general won't help they always make everything even worse. Also I know someone that got out of suicidal thoughts, after attempt suicide for 2 or 3 times, she is back or her feet and doing pretty well.

    When anyone come to this point in life, the only way out is to break ALL the old paradigms and reborn into a new life, literally leave everything behind and start fresh, of course there will be necessary some sort of help/intervention and willingness from all parts, I do not believe a big pharma drug can be of any help in cases like this, you know people can be sedated and become a zombie, but it won't fix them.

    If you know someone going through a hard time, the best you can do is talk, take the time and talk (dive deep in the thoughts), show your problems to that person (show yourself, most people won't), life is not easy for everybody, make sure you can show they are not the only one suffering and that suffering is part of the condition of the human life, besides that I do not believe anything can be done.

    By the way my friend spend about 4 months in the Amazon jungle (Peru side) with the indigenous tribe and she took Ayahuasca and received healing from a shaman, it worked for her and she is fine today, it was her decision after she learned about Ayahuasca and she decided to give herself a chance to reborn. Besides Ayahuasca, there is some deep talks, but it mostly happen through some sort of telepathy (don't ask me how, I can't explain, it is beyond my vocabulary).

    Suicidal thought can affect anyone for any reason at any age (I heard cases of young children, it is terrible), most people kill themselves due to financial problems, and it became some sort of cliche. My friend she is quite well financially speaking, but she was deep immersed into spirituality and probably she took a wrong turn at some point and end up in contact with bad, very bad stuffs, for what she said she was "seeing things" constantly, that's why the shamanic approach was the best solution in her case and help to back her into light, for what she said, now she learned how to properly protect herself from evil energy, she is quite an inspiration for us friends, she overcame it.

    For anyone thinking about suicide, I want to assure, there is light out there, everything happens for a reason, it is time to move on, evolve and break free from all the old paradigms. Suicidal thoughts are warnings, that you have to move on and evolve and not ignore them sedating the body (it won't help).

    I do not know why us people from Portugal identify ourselves with Ayahuasca and South America, it is like a magneto that attract us, all I can say there is quite a lot of people from Portugal doing health treatment in South America, it is our first choice, when big pharma drugs failed, I myself took the Ayahuasca quite a few times in Brazil and I wasn't having any suicidal thoughts, the shamans are like guides/teachers with great knowledge.

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    Default Re: Pain Remedies and Battling Suicidal Thoughts

    Personally, I've never suffered from chronic pain issues, just intermittent intense pain from different things like childbirth contractions, toothache, wounds, period pain, dental procedures etc. How I have dealt with those issues in my life has been to resort to using alternative therapies such as hypnosis (anesthesia and sonambulistic techniques), EFT (tapping), hand and foot reflexology, accupuncture, homeopathy, natural herbs and essential oils.

    Something which might be able to assist with chronic pain is Norman Doidges book called, The Brain's Way of Healing: Remarkable Discoveries and Recoveries from the Frontiers of Neuroplasticity.

    It's an excellent read. In the very first chapter called, Physician hurt, then heal thyself, Doidge relates the story of Michael Moskowitz, a psychiatrist turned pain specialist, who set up a pain clinic in Sausalito, California after he discovered how to shut off his own debilitating chronic pain.

    Moskowitz says, I don't believe in pain management anymore, I believe in trying to cure persistent pain

    He has helped patients to diminish their own pain by using competitive plasticity.

    He is assisted by Marla Golden, a physician who specializes in chronic pain. She helped Michael to understand how sound, touch and vibration can flood the brain and competitively counter pain.

    Here is Michaels website and here is an introduction to his work via webinar.

    https://vimeo.com/ondemand/neuroplastixintro

    This is not a free (or cheap!) webinar *four part series* but it sounds promising in what it may deliver in regards to insights into curing persistent pain.


    This webinar "Neuroplastic Transformation Program: Laying the Foundation - Part One" is the first of a collaborative physician guided four part series. In this webinar, Michael H. Moskowitz, MD and Marla D. Golden, DO will describe and discuss the basic tenets of the Neuroplastic Transformation Program, R.A.F.T., M.I.R.R.O.R. and N.O.R.M.A.L., in more detail as well as the utilization of Thoughts, Beliefs and Ideas about Pain and "The Scent Circuit."

    Our objective is to help individuals suffering with persistent pain, their caretakers and their treating practitioners to learn how to utilize the Neuroplastic Transformation Program as part of a comprehensive treatment program. The ultimate goal of the Neuroplastic Transformation Program is to develop multiple strategizes to reduce pain with pleasure, allowing individuals to restore and transform their lives. Dr. Golden and Dr. Moskowitz worked together to develop neuroplastic treatment approaches in each of their practices for several years. They have used these approaches with their patients and have incorporated them as the core treatment for patients with persistent pain. Both are board certified in Pain Medicine by the American Board of Pain Medicine. Their approach acknowledges the role of neuroplastic change in the process of persistent pain. The program utilizes neuroplasticity to reverse the process of persistent pain. The Neuroplastic Transformation Program is designed to be the basis for all treatment approaches. Although current treatment approaches can be effective, there is a lack of a cohesive core to treatment. The disease of persistent pain is a dynamic neuroplastic process. All successful treatment approaches must be as dynamic and with the intention to create neuroplastic change that will break up and eradicate the pain. Incorporating treatment approaches utilizing neuroplasticity techniques is the way to treat persistent pain. Dr. Golden and Dr. Moskowitz have dedicated themselves to the development and promotion of neuroplastic treatment approaches to reverse persistent pain and return the body and brain to normal function.
    I wounded a finger recently (don't ask - it was a fight between a toolbox and myself and the toolbox won) and on the first day it happened, I was expecting a completely sleepless night because of the pain. However, I used one of the techniques described by Moskowitz in Norman Doidges book - and it worked!

    I didn't get a full nights sleep because the pain would come back whenever I inadvertently pressed my finger up against something (it would wake me up) but I would do the technique, and off I would go to sleep again until the next time I bumped the finger in my sleep.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Here is another presentation I stumbled upon about the true nature of pain and how to overcome it. This is similar to Moskowitzs work in that it is brain based therapy.



    For further information, this is the website for active life scientific
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    I have had chronic pain my whole life from a back issue. I was totally relieved of it for a while and wrote about it here in Avalon. It was a weird event, and I will have to read through my posts to recall what I wrote. The pain has returned, but I can send it away most of the time. It's a weird mental state I think.

    I do not recall if I said everything about how I originally got clear of the pain. My best friend had just passed away. I asked for his help and asked to borrow his strength that he had in life - he was physically strong when we were young. My pain dissappeared for a long time. Now I can manage it.

    I believe he was there for me. I had to move my family to a new home. I had to carry and move a lot of stuff. I could not have done it in the state that I was in before he passed.

    So there it is. Did his spirit help? Yeah, I believe he did.

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I am starting this thread as a place to compile alternate pain remedies and tactics to combat suicidal thoughts.
    In Switzerland you can end your life, but I think there must be a protocol. In pain, we should assess whether the pain is physical or psychological, because the latter is also just like the first unbearable to live. Especially when the person after ten years at the same point, not looking for any solution to get out. I speak knowingly, I had a case in my family, which I supported and which my efforts did not yield any results. In the event of physical pain, I sympathize because I can understand that the task is difficult to assume. Then, we must seek the real cause of this evil, its origin, its reason for existing ... We are all carriers of the disease, we are potentially imaginary patients and we all have the possibility of consciously working on ourselves. You should know that suicide is cowardice towards oneself when the pain is psychological, for lack of will, of acceptance of one's human condition. As far as physical pain is concerned, everything depends on the degree of suffering and the therapeutic means to help the patient to cope with his own pain as well as possible, which must take full charge in these various origins ...
    The problem at the base, we are not always aware of the relation between the body and our thoughts which is often the origin of the evil of being. By dint of feeling bad about yourself, addicted to stress and permanent emotional outbursts, it becomes an open door to health problems. The body speaks through illness, psychological disorders and the true cause of evil, whether social, spiritual, karmic, psychological, political ... often a mixture of all these causes combined ...

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    Thanks for all the comments so far. It is appreciated.

    The problem with opioid use is that it often comes in combination with other drugs. It depends on the physician, it seems. And the combinations seem to be about trying to ease the side effects like shaking, disorientation, heart palpitations, nausea, dizziness, suicidal tendencies, and more.

    CBD oil sounds like a good candidate but its effectiveness often depends on the severity and duration of the pain. It can have a calming effect but it does not suit all individuals.

    I am not sure I agree that there is nothing that can be done about a person who wishes to use suicide as a remedy. There is reminding the person of all those that love them and need them. There is that suicide is not condoned and can lead to trouble on the other side. There is keeping a close eye on them. And there are suicide clinics and hotlines to refer them to. As a last resort there is calling emergency services and having them placed under 72 hour suicide watch. There is also committing them at a mental health facility.

    Help from the other side is tricky but doable. Except not everyone is aligned that way and not everyone has someone ready to assist from beyond.

    I like the jungle excursion but again those in such debilitating pain don't often get enough good days in a row to plan a trip like that. And the Ayahuasca might be too powerful a medicine for a weak constitution.

    There are assisted death protocols in some places now and in many instances I think that is a good solution for certain types of individuals with certain kinds of pain from illness. In many other cases the person would not qualify for such a protocol because reduced quality of life is not severe enough in potential, whatever that might mean other than to ensure that to qualify one must meet very stringent guidelines.

    I have begun looking into it a bit and the main types of alternate treatment for chronic pain that is in any way recognized as effective by established authority seems to be chiropractic, acupuncture, and massage. After that there is mention of bio-electric work, herbal treatments, aromatherapy, chromotherapy, and diet and exercise. Even Reiki gets a mention. But except for the first three the authorities are not convinced of their efficacy. More study is required it is claimed.

    I do not remember hypnosis being mentioned but it must have been, seems like a good alternative to me.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I'm finding that CBD oil helps me to endure chronic pain better, so that I'm not resorting so much to pain killers, and that in turn helps to avoid the blues.
    A personal question I hope is not intrusive but have you ever used a full spectrum Cannabis tincture ie. including THC (something along the lines of Rick Simpson oil) for pain?

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    I am starting this thread as a place to compile alternate pain remedies and tactics to combat suicidal thoughts.

    Many people have been in pain for so long that they begin considering suicide as a remedy.

    The opioids in use by the drug companies are very poor for chronic pain.

    I know almost nothing about this field and wish to educate myself.

    I'll leave this post as is and not try to quickly post some video here to start off.

    I don't even know where to start looking or even what modalities I should consider.

    Otherwise, I want this thread to deal with those that have to deal with loved ones in this situation. It is very difficult to deal with, brings up thoughts about mortality and being alone, and is an awful feeling in general when you are helpless to help the one you love.

    So if any would like to share a story or experience or a thought I'd love to hear it.

    I'll be posting some of mine as we go along.

    I hope this can be a positive thread with lots of good info on pain relief and the means to keep our loved ones here when they want to give up.
    I use Beet Root for pain. I have a bit of arthritis in my knees and I can always count on my Beets to take care of it. You can buy it online. I simply grow my own.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I'm finding that CBD oil helps me to endure chronic pain better, so that I'm not resorting so much to pain killers, and that in turn helps to avoid the blues.
    A personal question I hope is not intrusive but have you ever used a full spectrum Cannabis tincture ie. including THC (something along the lines of Rick Simpson oil) for pain?
    Recommended 🙏 I have had Irish friend who lived in Spain and later resettled in Prague, after many years of genuine struggle against the system gained approval of the academic board to open first experimental “cannabis clinic” that specializes in treatment of chronic pain, ptsd, depression and anxiety syndromes especially those accompanying physical conditions including terminally ill patients, cancer patients - where in some cases high doses of specific strains of cannabis proved to have anti-carcinogenic properties reducing certain kinds of tumors etc.

    https://www.icctlabs.com/

    Hope you can find some information and links on their site.

    No idea how are they faring as of the moment though.


    The beauty of this treatment is that it improved almost everybody, mentally and physically, especially seniors most of whom were completely innocent of any “alternative effects” of cannabis.

    One of the most profound effects seems to be exactly weaning off depression and anxiety in terminally ill patients, likewise those with chronic pains can hugely benefit.


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    On the thinking side. There's some very useful Cognitive Behavioural Therapy resources available online. CBT performs very well when compare to drug interventions and talking therapies.

    On a simplistic level it's training for the mind. One way it can help is in helping one recognise and intervene when our thoughts are getting away from us and taking us to a place we don't want to be.

    For example: https://www.cbtcognitivebehavioralth...thoughts-ants/

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    Hi Ernie,

    I have some information that I hope will be useful to you.

    I used to work in a hospice and did run a complementary therapy service and I also ran support groups. I have some experience with pain symptoms and low mood.

    I would first look at getting a referral to a pain clinic. (I'm not sure how the health system operates in Canada but it's good to get a review of medication that a loved one is taking by experts in this field) Good pain clinics treat a person holistically and they will refer patients for acupuncture or even mindfulness groups, if it is shown through assessment that it is suitable.
    They will ensure a patient is on the correct medication for the type of pain they are experiencing and it is at the correct dose and they will keep reviewing, particularly for side effects. It is hard to get the balance of certain analgesics right but it does happen.

    The pain clinic I used to liase with referred patients/clients for acupuncture and mindfulness, as these modalities are very well researched and their effectiveness has been proven, though mindfullness is not for everyone and that is usually ellicited from thorough assessment.

    For those patients/clients that were frequenting the complementary service. Mindfulness (including mindfullness movement) was a huge support. It helps to reduce anxiety and as pain can increase with stressors, pain can therefore be reduced.

    A key factor to an increase in wellbeing is a feeling of being in control or put it another way, EMPOWERED. A combination of the right treatments/therapies from conventional to complimentary that is right for a loved one and is delivered by a fully qualified, compassionate therapists will empower a client. The effect will be a decrease in low mood/depression and possibly suicidal ideations.

    The support from health professionals and complementary practioners can be paramount in reducing pain and increasing wellbeing. This support can be through a chat, a support group with mindfulness or a complementary treatment such as reflexology, accupuncture, gentle massage or aromatherapy.

    In the UK we have charities that run free counselling services and complementary sessions for people in pain from mainly cancer, it is good to talk and have protected one to one time.

    In the hospice, we provided services for the loved one going through symptoms and for the partner or carer. It is important for both to receive support and sometimes more honest discussions can take place with a therapist than a partner. Partners want to look after one another and therefore, feelings can be suppressed, so not to trouble. A feeling shared, lessens anxiety and may reduce pain and low mood.

    A reduction in pain will allow more mobility to physically access services that are at a distance or sometimes therapists can visit in the home.

    The most effective complementary treatment for pain that I've found with clients is acupuncture and this can be combined with conventional and other complemenary treatments. In fact, when treatments are combined, allowing time for natural detox, the better the outcomes, from my experience.

    I must also mention aromatherapy. I had the privilege to visit and learn from the lead aromatherapist at the Royal Marsden (cancer hospital) in London. They run aromatherapy courses for cancer pain. From the course, I made aromatherapy creams for pain with one of the main ingredients being Plai. They worked!

    I would like to address the suicidal aspect mentioned in the first post. One of the obvious factors to reduce low mood will be a reduction in pain. An improvement in physical symptoms will result in a concurrant rise in wellbeing and a reduction in low mood/depression. This can be acheived via conventional pain clinics (particularly if they use a holistic approach) and also through a combination of complementary therapies and counselling/talking therapies. There is also a healing treatment called the metamorphic technique that does not get alot of attention perhaps because its inherent concepts can be difficult to understand but as a complementary team, we found it was very effective at moving people through troubled thoughts and emotions and it was very calming.

    There are many highly qualified teams ready to help with pain reduction and or mental health. Complementary therapists are a welcome addition to these teams and some offer their services for free to charities.

    I and others have found one of the biggest factors to lift mood in a person is the person feeling more empowered and in control of their day to day life. I hope the aforementioned can contribute to that.

    All the best.
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    This might seem simplistic, but try music. Use it along with other therapies or by itself.

    Often, relieving yourself of pain can be accomplished by simply distracting your mind.

    There is a lot of music posted within the Avalon site itself. "Dive with music into bliss and peacefulness" offers a good variety of mellow music - vocal, electronic, classic instruments.

    Or maybe try playing an instrument yourself? A piano can be a great stress reliever and distraction. You don't even have to know how to play to enjoy the sound of a couple keys being hit. (You can buy an electronic piano or synthesizer fairly cheap. A casio electronic piano is not heavy, and has a lot of different keyboard sounds.)

    Or get a guitar and have someone tune it to an open chord and strum away! An open chord and a slide bar and you can have all kinds of fun!

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    Thanks for the great input from all contributors, and the good thoughts of those reading along!

    I want to clarify the reason for this posting now but I have to be careful how much personal info I share. It is not all about me and I cannot violate her trust.

    I am not the one I am referring to. I do not have suicidal thoughts and I am not in pain.

    This is about my wife Val.

    She has been involved in four car accidents many years back now that still cause her pain. Her injuries are lower back L5, neck C4, jaw dislocated and numerous surgeries to realign, migraines due to jaw -TMJ.

    On top of all that she had an episode months back where she had to be put in a coma and intubated. While there she developed double pneumonia and almost died. Since, she blames me for that traumatic episode in hospital and for saving her life when she was so close to relief...

    She talks of death constantly. That's all I can say publicly on that. Except that I have called the police twice since to have her confined for her own safety. It is the most traumatic and at least to me cowardly thing I've ever done. But I could think of nothing else to do.

    I feel helpless ... I do not know what to do, and it is affecting my own mood. I can control it because I have done the work, but this is a living nightmare and the anxiety is growing palpable. The tightness in my gut and across my heart, this almost panic, is from this situation. I need back up but don't know where to turn.

    It's too involved to get into but my family and I have grown apart because of my 17 year relationship with Val, whom I love with all my heart. Most have never met her. All those family functions and not once has Val been there. But my two ex's have been and still are on occasion. So there will be no support from that corner.

    Val is a horrible patient, with no ability to sustain any type of focused effort to alleviate her pain. She is not into spirituality although even she cannot deny its constant hand in our relationship. I am a force to be reckoned with and that gets me some bonus points but not enough to maintain a modality for any length of time. And now that I am blamed for her even still being alive I've lost credibility.

    So at the end of my rope, here I am with a two pronged approach. First to gather information into alternative treatments for chronic pain and for support for me in my traumatic hour of need.

    more later
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    Aromatherapy - all kinds of support there.

    I got a bottle of lavender spray for my daughters pillow - she falls asleep quickly and soundly.

    Get a diffuser with different types of oils for different needs.

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    Thanks Patient. I am also leaning towards the more subtle approaches for my particular problem.

    I just wanted to modify my last statement about looking for support, I am. But more importantly I want this to be a place where others can gather some support too. I am sure I am not the only one going through this sort of situation. At the very least, and not to say less important, there are many facing the inevitable demise of a loved one. It is a scary time. An upheaval. It comes with very specific thoughts and personal fears. It takes a reordering, a look at a seemingly bleak future, alone. It cannot be avoided. And it can lead to guilt for thinking of themselves when it is the loved one who is in danger...
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    Quote Posted by Zirconian (here)
    I and others have found one of the biggest factors to lift mood in a person is the person feeling more empowered and in control of their day to day life.
    In psychological suffering, there is a way to improve your mental state, it is by working on yourself. We are in a consumer society, a service and dependency society. Say an individual that his suffering depends totally on his attitude of thought and work on the quality of these thoughts on a daily basis. It will require changing these habits of thoughts, deprogramming of self-destructive thoughts about oneself, resentment, systematic negativity that may not be visible from the outside. It is a deprogramming of his mind and it is a long process that takes time and years to see the personal efforts. The pain of living, lack of motivation, dream, self-appreciation, passion causes a loss of reference, a lack of self-confidence,. We make a whole world in our head, for not much. We can change the psychological suffering when we try to take the place of a more unhappy person, a person in social insecurity, a person without friends, without family and again everything will depend on his interior integrity. It is ignorance that impoverishes thought and it is awakening that brings us the fruits of knowledge ...



    And a path of a lifetime that's strewn with pitfalls.
    It is also quite a work of writing, because the words are the reflection of our thoughts. It is a real birth of oneself, to become aware of it, it is to do for the best, because we attract, what we are in spirit manifests itself in our physical reality ...

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    Dear Ernie,

    I feel for you, though I know you are strong.

    Ernie, it maybe time to consider support for you. Not just a relaxing therapy but psychological assistance from trained counsellors or psychologists. They can help develop a strategy to support you dealing with your wife Val's physical/mental pain and suicide ideations. I can recommend these services. You're dealing with so much, including an estranged family, support will ease you through.

    Qualified, psychological support will give you breathing space and empower you with tried and tested strategies. Your wife may even try a therapy once she sees the benefits in you.

    If your wife continues to decline support, then psychological support for you is paramount so to accept her choices and the possible consequences.

    For chronic backpain which, I have witnessed and is just awful, a chiropractor, cranial sacral therapy, acupuncture and CBD oil seem to be very helpful. The acceptance practice in mindfulness may also be beneficial, if your wife is open.
    More importantly, your wife may need to talk to a counsellor or psychologist to run through her feelings in protected, non judgemental one to one time, including feelings of suicide.

    It is still possible that if your wife accepts additional treatments her physical pain may ease with subsequent easing of low mood. However, talking through her psychological pain, if agreed should be a priority in my humble opinion. One step at a time.

    Ernie, whatever your wife decides, I truly feel it is important to look after yourself in every way, including seeking support for you with whatever therapy you feel intuitively will works for you.

    For anyone else going through similiar, from my experience, those that seek support from the qualified do state that they found it invaluable and their should be no guilt in seeking a pathway of solutions. Many benefit from this pathway.

    Support empowers as it allows you to breathe, see with clarity, work through with tried and tested strategies and accept what you can and can't do.
    You are not alone.
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    Respect Zirc.



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