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    Default Social Contract

    I would like to make it a new thread.

    I am looking for discussion on this subject, such as:
    - historical social contracts
    - existing social contracts
    - possible future social contracts
    - social contracts in Non-Western culture
    - marriage
    - etc,

    It appears to me that current event, such as COVID, BLM, Antifa and uncontrolled refugee streams have had the effect of destroying the social contract in Western societies.

    As per Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract In moral and political philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated during the Age of Enlightenment and usually concerns the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual. Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority (of the ruler, or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights or maintenance of the social order.

    To my recollection, the last time this happened on a large scale this was in the French Revolution and its fallout over the World,

    This may well be by design or by disregard for the law of Unexpected Consequences.

    See also https://iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/
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    Interesting thread, I would recommend to look into the writings of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he was a writer and philosopher that influenced some aspects of the French revolution and also enlightenment across Europe, he published the original book in 1762, original title "Du Contract Social" it would be a great start to bring up the historical idea of social contract itself.
    This is one of his books that I am hunting for a while now, the original version is in French, I am looking for either the French version or the English version that was published in 1916 (London) under the title "The Social Contract".
    I came across Rousseau after read the dissertation named "Natural Justice and Private Property" by Rev. Daniel Merino Benitez from Santiago Chile, published in 1922, his dissertation has references from The Social Contract, Rousseau's book.

    Maybe someone have it here on Avalon? I am looking for the scanned copy only to assure it wasn't altered in any way, if I find it then I will post a copy here.

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    I just found out the audio book (public domain) and it is available here https://web.archive.org/web/20160622...nds/social5y7/
    (I am not sure if it is complete, I am listening to it right now)

    Here is a translation by G. D. H. Cole, in HTML format (no PDF) https://web.archive.org/web/20000301.../jjr/socon.htm

    and here is a PDF version along with audios of another translation by Jonathan Bennett which is slightly different from the translation by G. D. H. Cole http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/authors/rousseau

    But I couldn't find the original scanned book yet, will keep searching I know it is there somewhere.

    Some interesting references here: https://constitution.org/1-Education/liberlib.htm
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    I don't believe in any social contract to do so yields to the powers that want to be.
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    Thanks, this is yet another translation of the same book, they are all slightly different from each other, but I found in the copyrights of this one, a cataloging data number from the Library of Congress, then I got a link from there to google scholars and here it is the original version in French language scanned by Google, I will use the original version for reference only, now I got 5 different versions.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=fv...page&q&f=false
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    I don't believe in any social contract to do so yields to the powers that want to be.
    The “powers-that-want-to-be” breached the material terms of all social contracts long, long ago; thereby, at the time of the breach(s), relieving all parties to any and all social contracts from any and all further obligations to perform and, as a consequence, returning all parties to the status quo ante prior to the formation of any and all social contracts. Thus, we are all, and have been for a very long time, in a state of nature.

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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Interesting thread, I would recommend to look into the writings of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he was a writer and philosopher that influenced some aspects of the French revolution and also enlightenment across Europe, he published the original book in 1762, original title "Du Contract Social" it would be a great start to bring up the historical idea of social contract itself.
    This is one of his books that I am hunting for a while now, the original version is in French, I am looking for either the French version or the English version that was published in 1916 (London) under the title "The Social Contract".
    Here you are, in English and French:
    1. http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jean...20Contract.pdf
    2. http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jean...l%20Social.pdf

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    Interesting thread, I would recommend to look into the writings of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he was a writer and philosopher that influenced some aspects of the French revolution and also enlightenment across Europe, he published the original book in 1762, original title "Du Contract Social" it would be a great start to bring up the historical idea of social contract itself.
    This is one of his books that I am hunting for a while now, the original version is in French, I am looking for either the French version or the English version that was published in 1916 (London) under the title "The Social Contract".
    Here you are, in English and French:
    1. http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jean...20Contract.pdf
    2. http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jean...l%20Social.pdf

    Thanks Bill, appreciate that.

    I found this search engine yesterday, seems to be pretty dam good to find academic resources, better than google.
    https://crossref.org
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