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  • I'd never take a vaccination of any kind, not ever.

    42 49.41%
  • I'd never take the covid vaccine, but might take one for a much more serious virus like smallpox.

    30 35.29%
  • I'll wait to see what the covid vaccine side-effects are. I may take it if it all seems safe.

    7 8.24%
  • I'd reluctantly take the covid vaccine. The penalties for not taking it may be too much of a hassle.

    4 4.71%
  • I'm comfortable taking the vaccine. I feel the overall benefits are likely to outweigh any risks.

    2 2.35%
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    Default Re: How Many People Here WILL Have the Vaccine and are Comfortable Doing So?

    Quote Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
    Here in Canada we've been told by the mainstream that the Pfizer roll-out starts next week (they hope) organized by an army general. The CBC was using language like 'deployment' 'check points' 'logistics' 'task force' etc all war language. So this raised my vaccine anxiety to the next level lol!

    Anyway, doing some digging around online including the FDA site (yes I know its the FDA but its what there is and we navigate any lies and make of it what we can), and my understanding is as follows and very different from the lack of transparency and scare-mongering from MSM as well as governments .... forgive me those of you that know this ....

    It's an emergency release which as far as I understand means it's not as yet approved for the final official release.

    Phase three trials are ongoing and not complete and won't be for quite some time.

    An emergency release of a drug is when a government feels the circumstances justify using a 'potentially safe through studies so far' drug 'if the potential benefits outweigh the risks.'

    At this stage NO GOVERNMENT CAN FORCE, COERCE OR MAKE MANDATORY an EMERGENCY release vaccine that is far from finishing trials and studies. Pfizer and Moderna can brag all they like about an imminent release but when I dug further I think it ain't happening just yet - I hope! There are groups of types of people yet to be studied, a key point that kept cropping up is unknowns about virus mutations, catching it twice, who catches it, who doesn't etc. How long does the vaccine last. So I repeat, this is an early unofficial release and people can refuse it at this stage - technically, participants are volunteers (guinea pigs). I don't think medical staff can be made to take it and any footage showing doctors, celebrities and politicians etc taking it are likely to be given something like a saline placebo I reckon - I mean, these people are not going to participate in what is effectively still an ongoing, and in our minds an early stages trial!!!

    Anyone agreeing to take it at this stage has to be given an aftercare sheet with a medical person explaining what they are agreeing to and the issue of side-effects.

    Interestingly, out of the general population outside of the healthcare services, it's the senior folk in homes getting it first and my concern is that they'll be deemed by the authorities of being incapable of understanding the process and won't be talked through this situation, given a choice to participate or not, let alone told of any side effects. Family members MUST be consulted. I wonder if the elderly in homes, assumed to be on there way out of this world are being used to monitor side-effects.

    It now all makes sense the media and politicians telling us that despite the vaccine, everyone still has to wear masks and stand apart behind lines etc. None of these people have the balls to treat us like adults and be honest and say that this emergency release is not the official one and not enough long term studies have been done to know about re-infection and long-term effectiveness of the drug.

    The media and governments are framing this in a misleading way and there'll be Covid scared people queuing up for this who haven't dug around for the facts.

    I'm not saying it won't be an issue in the long term for us too but at the moment we certainly have breathing space before any battles and time to analyze and research the effects - healthcare workers and celebrities vs the public and elderly.

    You can probably tell I'm not an expert in any of this. I'm trying to figure out some down-to-earth clarity and facts to deal with anxieties and concerns. Trying to understanding the vagueness yet bullying behaviour from the State, the weird dystopian vibe from MSM. I wanted to understand how they're framing things and to understand what they're not telling us. Basically, I'm looking around for facts to help us out of this!

    If my thoughts are in accurate or wrong, please correct me!
    At least the poor folk in care homes can’t be rendered infertile, and any side-effects may not be noticeable due to pre-existing conditions, however, if any deaths ensue they certainly can't be blamed on Covid, so perhaps ‘normal’ tallies of strokes/heart attacks/cancer etc etc now will appear on death certificates, and the vaccine will have ‘worked’!!!! Hmmmm ....
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    Default Re: How Many People Here WILL Have the Vaccine and are Comfortable Doing So?

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    Default Re: How Many People Here WILL Have the Vaccine and are Comfortable Doing So?

    You may find this interesting

    Sterilize
    1: to make something free from bacteria or living organisms

    2: to deprive (a person or animal) of the ability to produce offspring.’

    "These vaccines are unlikely to completely sterilize a population. They are very likely to have an effect which works in, say 60 or 70%."
    Professor Sir John Bell talking to Jon Snow of Channel 4, August/ Sept 1st 2020.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/oNqF7SsQhree/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAV7...mKeepersUnited

    Could it be possible that Sir John Bell, professor of medicine at Oxford University, a member of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Scientific Advisory Committee and a part of the GAVI team developing AstraZeneca's Coronavirus vaccine just revealed the true nature of the forthcoming Covid 19 vaccine? What do he mean exactly by “steralize”.

    Surely someone who has his levels of credentials wouldn’t misspeak without first correcting himself.
    Was he simply just accidentally telling the truth?
    Was he even unaware that the interview was being screened on TV?
    Even the channel 4 interviewer put his hand over his mouth in apparent shock and swiftly brought the interview to a close.


    June 17th 2020.
    “An un-named whistleblower” claiming to be from GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) revealed in an email: ‘antigens in an upcoming vaccine are proven to cause infertility in up to 97% of recipients. There is going to be an anti-HCG antigen causing sterility in women. It is also combined with HCG and Ovine Lutinizing Hormone (antibodies to nutralise this) and 37 amino acid carboxy-terminal peptides (which degrade proteins) The principle of anti-hCG vaccine is to introduce antibodies which can bind to hCG and render it biologically ’inactive.”

    Astrazenica Covid vaccine AZD1222 will also be ‘age related,’ meaning different age groups will receive different doses. older people will get a lower dose jab with younger people recieving the full dose, surely this dose ratio should be the other way round?

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    Default Re: How Many People Here WILL Have the Vaccine and are Comfortable Doing So?

    The important question is what will their next move be once it becomes apparent nobody has any trust in them or their "vaccine"? Whatever that move is it is unlikely to be pretty, 2021 will be the year that made 2020 look like a walk in the park.

    Quote Major Covid Vaccine Glitch Emerges: Most Europeans, Including Hospital Staff, Refuse To Take It


    BY TYLER DURDEN

    SUNDAY, DEC 27, 2020 - 21:50

    All is not going according to plan in the biggest global rollout of what is arguably the most important vaccine in a century, and it is not just growing US mistrust in the covid injection effort that was rolled out in record time: an unexpected spike in allergic reactions to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (and now, Moderna too) may prove catastrophic to widespread acceptance unless scientists can figure out what is causing it after the FDA's rushed approval, and is also why as we reported yesterday, scientists are scrambling to identify the potential culprit causing the allergic reactions.

    Making matters worse, Europe rolled out a huge COVID-19 vaccination drive on Sunday to try to rein in the coronavirus pandemic but even more Europeans than American are sceptical about the speed at which the vaccines have been tested and approved and reluctant to have the shot.

    While the European Union has secured contracts drugmakers including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, for a total of more than two billion doses and has set a goal for all adults to be inoculated next year, this is looking increasingly like a pipe dream: according to recent surveys, the local population has expressed "high levels of hesitancy" towards inoculation in countries from France to Poland, with many used to vaccines taking decades to develop, not just months.

    “I don’t think there’s a vaccine in history that has been tested so quickly,” Ireneusz Sikorski, 41, said as he stepped out of a church in central Warsaw with his two children.

    "I am not saying vaccination shouldn’t be taking place. But I am not going to test an unverified vaccine on my children, or on myself."

    Smart: why take the risk of getting vaccinated when others will do it, resulting in the same outcome.

    Surveys in Poland, where distrust in public institutions runs deep, show that fewer than 40% of people planning to get vaccinated. Worse, according to Reuters on Sunday, only half the medical staff in a Warsaw hospital where the country’s first shot was administered had signed up. And if the doctors don't trust the vaccine, one can be certain that the broader population will refuse to take it.

    The situation is similar in Spain, one of Europe’s hardest-hit countries, where 28-year-old singer and music composer German summarizes the skepticism of a broad range of the population, and plans to wait for now.

    “No one close to me has had it (COVID-19). I’m obviously not saying it doesn’t exist because lots of people have died of it, but for now I wouldn’t have it (the vaccine).”

    A Christian Orthodox bishop in Bulgaria, where 45% of people have said they would not get a shot and 40% plan to wait to see if any negative side effects appear - meaning only 15% of the population will actually volunteer for a vaccine in the near future - is in the tiny minority when it comes to taking the vaccine.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/ma...refuse-take-it

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    Quote Posted by Baby Steps (here)
    The following is much darker, looks legit, and makes these products sound much more dangerous:

    Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition



    Quote On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
    Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.

    On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.

    Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:

    • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.

    • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
    • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
    • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.

    AS BILL GATES SAID 'THE SECOND WAVE WILL MAKE THEM SIT UP'
    Dr Luc Montagnier is also now on record stating that the ADE is potentially very dangerous but will emerge once a new strain hits.

    The following paper points at the same danger

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7943455/
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    I don’t fly, that’s not an issue. I do drive on Texas highways so if a vaccine passport is required to travel in my state I will have to find my way. Never say never but I won’t willingly do this particular vaccine

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    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
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    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
    Several treatments were used in earlier pandemics, like the one in 1918-1920, and mainly because no vaccines were available, and yet infection and mortality rates still went up.

    Wanting lockdowns makes no sense as that leads to greater losses even for governments, as they earn from increased economic activity.

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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
    Several treatments were used in earlier pandemics, like the one in 1918-1920, and mainly because no vaccines were available, and yet infection and mortality rates still went up.

    Wanting lockdowns makes no sense as that leads to greater losses even for governments, as they earn from increased economic activity.

    Just because it doesn't make sense to us that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to them...

    It's like the Western Public has had to be trained to be controlled and obedient for some future plan ---

    Like the 'Great Reset' - global digital currency - a Chinese style Social Credit Score system... trained for the Technology based Totalitarian Dictatorship those who want Lockdowns are planning for...

    Some Governments could be coerced and conned by the real power behind it all...

    Or we could be missing an important part in the Big Picture...

    Re what medicines they might have had in 1918 - 1920.... that was then and now is now... safe cheap drugs were suppressed (like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine).... because the Covid MRNA Injections wouldn't have got emergency approval if there was any other accepted treatment available...

    The public were lured into accepting Lockdowns step by step and it began with the 'two weeks to flatten the curve'...... and now the public are being lured into accepting the Covid MRNA injection...

    The one leads to the other leading further to the Vaccine Passports and genetic modification - Totalitarianism + Transhumanism....

    It all makes sense to someone...

    Although personally I think they are all crazy megalomaniacs.... on the wrong track....

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    Default Re: How Many People Here WILL Have the Vaccine and are Comfortable Doing So?

    If you are intent on re-engineering society and implementing a totally different order of economy then the deliberate destruction of small business, and the means for people to be economically independent are the objectives.
    Consider just how these lock downs have worked, and the enormous damage they have wreaked on ordinary people. This has never been imposed in previous, much worse epidemics, like the Spanish Flu, and the much more recent Flu epidemic of the late 1960's called the 'Hong Kong Flu' which saw 4 million deaths globally, quarantining the mostly well population is a bizarre and very strange measure!
    You seem to think this is all perfectly reasonable and that the governments are working in the usual interests of their populations, they are not.
    Dr Mike Yeadon a man who worked for 40 years as a vaccine researcher and head of Pulmonary research for major Big Pharma companies wrote a piece where he states: 'We are in the presence of Evil' - He sees the measures and the subsequent 'Vaccines' and the 'Vaccine Passports' as being a direct threat to liberal Democracy: https://www.iwritebox.com/we-are-in-...entist-claims/
    I think you are pushing credibility if you persist in supporting this response to the virus, I know it is frightening to think your own society is being malicious, but it is time to stop wearing the blinkers mate, we must face this and offer the best resistance we can.

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    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
    Several treatments were used in earlier pandemics, like the one in 1918-1920, and mainly because no vaccines were available, and yet infection and mortality rates still went up.

    Wanting lockdowns makes no sense as that leads to greater losses even for governments, as they earn from increased economic activity.

    Just because it doesn't make sense to us that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to them...

    It's like the Western Public has had to be trained to be controlled and obedient for some future plan ---

    Like the 'Great Reset' - global digital currency - a Chinese style Social Credit Score system... trained for the Technology based Totalitarian Dictatorship those who want Lockdowns are planning for...

    Some Governments could be coerced and conned by the real power behind it all...

    Or we could be missing an important part in the Big Picture...

    Re what medicines they might have had in 1918 - 1920.... that was then and now is now... safe cheap drugs were suppressed (like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine).... because the Covid MRNA Injections wouldn't have got emergency approval if there was any other accepted treatment available...

    The public were lured into accepting Lockdowns step by step and it began with the 'two weeks to flatten the curve'...... and now the public are being lured into accepting the Covid MRNA injection...

    The one leads to the other leading further to the Vaccine Passports and genetic modification - Totalitarianism + Transhumanism....

    It all makes sense to someone...

    Although personally I think they are all crazy megalomaniacs.... on the wrong track....

    Vaccines have been used for over a century. If there are higher deaths due to use today, it's because trials were not completed.

    Medicine and vaccines are not the same. The first is used for treatment, and the second for prevention.

    Digital currency has been used for decades, and that's because much of transactions are large, making the use of paper bills and coins highly impractical. It's a lot easier to do them using lawyers, bankers, accountants, and contracts with financial documents.

    Vaccine passports have been used for something like seventy years. I recall relatives needing them before traveling to parts of Africa and even places like HK during the early 1960s.

    Totalitarianism has been employed for decades, too, and usually without the need for even getting rid of democratic systems. The best tools involve advertising, marketing, and commercial mass entertainment.

    Phenomena like credit scores are part of a long history of quantifying human groups. I think that started with Prussian policies during the nineteenth century, and then copied in the U.S. and elsewhere, as seen in not only banks and factories but even in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
    Several treatments were used in earlier pandemics, like the one in 1918-1920, and mainly because no vaccines were available, and yet infection and mortality rates still went up.

    Wanting lockdowns makes no sense as that leads to greater losses even for governments, as they earn from increased economic activity.

    Just because it doesn't make sense to us that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to them...

    It's like the Western Public has had to be trained to be controlled and obedient for some future plan ---

    Like the 'Great Reset' - global digital currency - a Chinese style Social Credit Score system... trained for the Technology based Totalitarian Dictatorship those who want Lockdowns are planning for...

    Some Governments could be coerced and conned by the real power behind it all...

    Or we could be missing an important part in the Big Picture...

    Re what medicines they might have had in 1918 - 1920.... that was then and now is now... safe cheap drugs were suppressed (like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine).... because the Covid MRNA Injections wouldn't have got emergency approval if there was any other accepted treatment available...

    The public were lured into accepting Lockdowns step by step and it began with the 'two weeks to flatten the curve'...... and now the public are being lured into accepting the Covid MRNA injection...

    The one leads to the other leading further to the Vaccine Passports and genetic modification - Totalitarianism + Transhumanism....

    It all makes sense to someone...

    Although personally I think they are all crazy megalomaniacs.... on the wrong track....

    Vaccines have been used for over a century. If there are higher deaths due to use today, it's because trials were not completed.

    Medicine and vaccines are not the same. The first is used for treatment, and the second for prevention.

    Digital currency has been used for decades, and that's because much of transactions are large, making the use of paper bills and coins highly impractical. It's a lot easier to do them using lawyers, bankers, accountants, and contracts with financial documents.

    Vaccine passports have been used for something like seventy years. I recall relatives needing them before traveling to parts of Africa and even places like HK during the early 1960s.

    Totalitarianism has been employed for decades, too, and usually without the need for even getting rid of democratic systems. The best tools involve advertising, marketing, and commercial mass entertainment.

    Phenomena like credit scores are part of a long history of quantifying human groups. I think that started with Prussian policies during the nineteenth century, and then copied in the U.S. and elsewhere, as seen in not only banks and factories but even in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    You seem to be ok with the direction that the whole world is going in... and the way SARS-CoV-2 has been dealt with ... with the 'vaccine' programme.... and with the 'vaccines' themselves... fair enough that's your choice..

    but to pick up on a couple of points...

    Quote Vaccines have been used for over a century. If there are higher deaths due to use today, it's because trials were not completed.

    exactly - trials for the MRNA Covid injections were not completed and there are no long term studies for human use...


    Quote Medicine and vaccines are not the same. The first is used for treatment, and the second for prevention.
    there are reports of doctors using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for prevention AND cure...

    for example

    https://www.healio.com/news/primary-...axis-treatment

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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
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    Quote Posted by ralfy (here)
    Vaccines have been around for more than a century, and is one of several reasons why you're still alive or not sick right now, even if you didn't take them. But they are only stopgap measures, since there are many viruses on earth, mutations, and increased vectors for the spread of disease, which means not only vaccines but even medicine that might work at some point won't in the future.

    Meanwhile, it takes a longer time to test vaccines, which explains why many are getting harmed or killed currently, and they had to be used because many countries experienced medical systems getting overwhelmed by the current pandemic.

    If Governments were really worried about medical systems / hospitals... getting overwhelmed ... wouldn't they have encouraged widespread use of safe cheap preventions and treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin...?

    Not only did many (like the UK and US for example) fail to do that but they actively prevented doctors and hospitals using said treatments...

    Had SARS-CoV-2 been treated and prevented from the beginning with hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and other supporting substances like zinc and Vitamin D ... there would be no chance of hospitals etc being over stretched or overwhelmed...

    People who had the virus were given no treatment and no advice apart from stay at home and take paracetamol... unless they had severe breathing problems then they would be admitted...

    And even that.... when I had it at the end of 2019 (no test as it hadn't even officially started then but I'm sure I did have it -)........ if I hadn't given myself steam inhalations - and I added drops of Camphor Oil...

    If I hadn't done that I could have had a real problem with breathing - before I was able to breath properly I had to do a steam inhalation and cough and spit for ages to clear my lungs - until I did that they were tight and very uncomfortable...making breathing difficult...

    Couldn't the Govt. 'experts' at the very least have suggested people with SARS-CoV-2 did that to help themselves... even that could have help reduce hospital admissions...

    I'm afraid everything points to them WANTING to introduce lockdowns - not to save the Health Systems but for some other reason..... ie political... ie introducing draconian levels of control on an unsuspecting public...

    And it all points to them WANTING the lockdowns to lead to the (unsuspecting and trusting) public accepting the experimental 'vaccine' en masse......
    Several treatments were used in earlier pandemics, like the one in 1918-1920, and mainly because no vaccines were available, and yet infection and mortality rates still went up.

    Wanting lockdowns makes no sense as that leads to greater losses even for governments, as they earn from increased economic activity.

    Just because it doesn't make sense to us that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to them...

    It's like the Western Public has had to be trained to be controlled and obedient for some future plan ---

    Like the 'Great Reset' - global digital currency - a Chinese style Social Credit Score system... trained for the Technology based Totalitarian Dictatorship those who want Lockdowns are planning for...

    Some Governments could be coerced and conned by the real power behind it all...

    Or we could be missing an important part in the Big Picture...

    Re what medicines they might have had in 1918 - 1920.... that was then and now is now... safe cheap drugs were suppressed (like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine).... because the Covid MRNA Injections wouldn't have got emergency approval if there was any other accepted treatment available...

    The public were lured into accepting Lockdowns step by step and it began with the 'two weeks to flatten the curve'...... and now the public are being lured into accepting the Covid MRNA injection...

    The one leads to the other leading further to the Vaccine Passports and genetic modification - Totalitarianism + Transhumanism....

    It all makes sense to someone...

    Although personally I think they are all crazy megalomaniacs.... on the wrong track....

    Vaccines have been used for over a century. If there are higher deaths due to use today, it's because trials were not completed.

    Medicine and vaccines are not the same. The first is used for treatment, and the second for prevention.

    Digital currency has been used for decades, and that's because much of transactions are large, making the use of paper bills and coins highly impractical. It's a lot easier to do them using lawyers, bankers, accountants, and contracts with financial documents.

    Vaccine passports have been used for something like seventy years. I recall relatives needing them before traveling to parts of Africa and even places like HK during the early 1960s.

    Totalitarianism has been employed for decades, too, and usually without the need for even getting rid of democratic systems. The best tools involve advertising, marketing, and commercial mass entertainment.

    Phenomena like credit scores are part of a long history of quantifying human groups. I think that started with Prussian policies during the nineteenth century, and then copied in the U.S. and elsewhere, as seen in not only banks and factories but even in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    You seem to be ok with the direction that the whole world is going in... and the way SARS-CoV-2 has been dealt with ... with the 'vaccine' programme.... and with the 'vaccines' themselves... fair enough that's your choice..

    but to pick up on a couple of points...

    Quote Vaccines have been used for over a century. If there are higher deaths due to use today, it's because trials were not completed.

    exactly - trials for the MRNA Covid injections were not completed and there are no long term studies for human use...


    Quote Medicine and vaccines are not the same. The first is used for treatment, and the second for prevention.
    there are reports of doctors using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for prevention AND cure...

    for example

    https://www.healio.com/news/primary-...axis-treatment
    They are used in various countries, and with emergency authorization, just like vaccines.

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    I'm one of two who voted "I'm comfortable taking the vaccine. I feel the overall benefits are likely to outweigh any risks."

    I got the Pfizer vaccine; second jab on May 12th.

    I'll admit, I haven't been following all the alt media and conspiratorial news about the vaccine. I feel comfortable taking this vaccine. But then I think most vaccines are safe.

    I'm just curious if anyone would tell me what I should be worried about. Are there really proofs that this vaccine is dangerous? I tend to think it's mostly fear porn, but again, I haven't done any research.

    So I got the vaccine. What's going to happen to me?

    EDIT: I also think 5G is safe, chemtrails are just contrails, and fluoride in the water is just fine. So if I get ignored here, I understand, lol.
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    I feel comfortable taking this vaccine. But then I think most vaccines are safe.

    I'm just curious if anyone would tell me what I should be worried about.
    Well, it is not FDA approved, it is the very first application of mRNA therapy presented as a vaccine, and it is still in trial. It is admitted by all that little is actually known about the long-term results or effects.
    My question to you would be, would you willing to participate in a medical trial as a healthy subject for free? (Because that appears to be exactly what not-at-risk individuals are doing.)
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    Quote Posted by Kalamos (here)
    I feel comfortable taking this vaccine. But then I think most vaccines are safe.

    I'm just curious if anyone would tell me what I should be worried about.
    Well, it is not FDA approved, it is the very first application of mRNA therapy presented as a vaccine, and it is still in trial. It is admitted by all that little is actually known about the long-term results or effects.
    My question to you would be, would you willing participate in a medical trial as a healthy subject for free? (Because that appears to be exactly what not-at-risk individuals are doing.)
    No, I wouldn't participate in a medical trial for free.

    I'll admit, I felt some pressure from family to get it done. All my family has been vaccinated, from 18 year-olds to my parents in their mid seventies. No one I know has had any issues.

    I believe if it were really that bad, it would be in the MSM already. I think all the negative spin on the vaccines is a Conspiracy Land Hysteria. I believe Covid is real, and the Vaccines are a good thing.

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    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    Quote Posted by Kalamos (here)
    I feel comfortable taking this vaccine. But then I think most vaccines are safe.

    I'm just curious if anyone would tell me what I should be worried about.
    Well, it is not FDA approved, it is the very first application of mRNA therapy presented as a vaccine, and it is still in trial. It is admitted by all that little is actually known about the long-term results or effects.
    My question to you would be, would you willing participate in a medical trial as a healthy subject for free? (Because that appears to be exactly what not-at-risk individuals are doing.)
    No, I wouldn't participate in a medical trial for free.

    I'll admit, I felt some pressure from family to get it done. All my family has been vaccinated, from 18 year-olds to my parents in their mid seventies. No one I know has had any issues.

    I believe if it were really that bad, it would be in the MSM already. I think all the negative spin on the vaccines is a Conspiracy Land Hysteria. I believe Covid is real, and the Vaccines are a good thing.
    Thanks for your honest reply, Kalamos. It seems to boil down to "belief".
    I really am happy that to date your family has had no issues.

    I must admit that I have lost my trust in MSM, and I have also learned through observation and experience that science in general, and our medical/pharma system in particular, has been responsible for many, many failures over the years. (you can probably think of a few treatments yourself, that were once considered cutting edge, but became a huge "whoops" later.)
    I even started a thread about this sort of thing.

    Not many things are a black/white issue, and proceeding with great caution is generally wise, particularly with irreversible steps.
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