No-one will be happy. And the media, the true enemy of us all

[thepainterdoug]

I write this off the cuff. I read a thousand articles as everyone has, seen every video as best possible and will not rehash whats already said.

As I see it, no matter how this election is settled in January, half the country will be outraged and loaded for bear.
We have seen a coup take place from foreign and home with the aid of a corrupt media and tech alliance.
They now need to keep the gas pedal down to keep all brainwashed, convinced, the election had no fraud or corruption in it at all.

So those who are Trump haters will never see the news that we all here see.
Why would they read, Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, the Federalist, Newsmax, OAN and so on? No need or interest. In fact, not even aware.

On the other side, we cant avoid seeing the NYTimes and all the MSM TV News , the comedy shows and so on pumped out . Its in everyone face to the ease and comfort of the Trump hater
And I say Trump hater, cause there cant be anyone who would seriously choose Joe Biden on his merit , not to mention the Biden hard drive , China and all.

So to sum up, I pretty much know the news they are looking at. They don't know what I and millions of others on Trumps side are looking at and reading. My friend calmly told me, there is no election fraud. He read that in the NYTimes!

So the stage is set. If Biden is installed, 80 million pissed off Trump supporters will be outraged.

If Trump remains president , the Trump haters will claim they have their proof that we told you!! He's a Nazi and a dictator !

I see no solution. A deeply divided country with hate intensified for each other, courtesy a corrupt Tech Media complex.

I guess the deep state, like the Casino house, always wins

Please Santa, give me one last present

[Arcturian108]

Yes, if past is prologue the country will continue to be seriously divided. But if Trump wins, he is a very creative man, and may finally be able to tell the American people the truth about the corruption, and prove it to them in some big way. There are also completely unknown possibilities that could surface that we have no idea about at the moment.

[pyrangello]

Ah but painter Doug, if Trump stays in the white house , lets ponder that, Lets see $2.00 a gallon gas for the last 4 years and another 4 years and staying energy independent, 2% interest rates on home mortgages, prior to the covid, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years for Hispanics and blacks, Stock market reaching all time highs, our military being brought home in droves and no new conflicts,Peace agreement in the middle east, Businesses will be flourishing again and I would submit to you things are still very busy for the building trades.Americans were getting off government programs and becoming independent. My hope is everyone would be so busy they wouldn't have time to be pissed off. And saying merry Christmas won't be something you want to whisper again prior to trump. Yeah it would be tough keeping trump in the white house! Don't discount the Donald just yet!

[Waldo]

Posted by pyrangello (here)
Ah but painter Doug, if Trump stays in the white house , lets ponder that, Lets see $2.00 a gallon gas for the last 4 years and another 4 years and staying energy independent, 2% interest rates on home mortgages, prior to the covid, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years for Hispanics and blacks, Stock market reaching all time highs, our military being brought home in droves and no new conflicts,Peace agreement in the middle east, Businesses will be flourishing again and I would submit to you things are still very busy for the building trades.Americans were getting off government programs and becoming independent. My hope is everyone would be so busy they wouldn't have time to be pissed off. And saying merry Christmas won't be something you want to whisper again prior to trump. Yeah it would be tough keeping trump in the white house! Don't discount the Donald just yet!

The MSM is the enemy of we the people, the EO from 2018 will take care of that issue. Its time for the truth to be revealed to the masses.

[thepainterdoug]

thanks for encouragement friends. So its gotta run the process so the evidence is seen by the courts and thus, the country as well. doesnt matter the ruling, just needs to be witnessed I guess.

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[Gracy]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
So those who are Trump haters will never see the news that we all here see.
Why would they read, Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, the Federalist, Newsmax, OAN and so on? No need or interest. In fact, not even aware.

Hi Doug,

Glad you brought some of these things up, let me touch on something that jumps out at me more and more these days:

First off, I'm hoping it's still possible to not be at all aligned with Team Trump, yet still not be pigeonholed into "Trump hater". Not sure if that's even possible any more, as we're all being herded to take the field solidly for one team or the other.

I found it interesting FOX NEWS is now missing from the list of "reliable media". FOX was the backbone, the go to source for conservative slanted news for decades, and then they suddenly got tossed aside like yesterday's garbage when they dared call the big one like they saw it, not just automatically call it for the home team as expected.

So the field was narrowed. I wonder if OAN were to finally say on January 20th "you know what folks, it's really over, Biden really won, we just have to suck it up and Go Trump 2024!"

I've got a feeling they would, in that moment, become "one of them as well". Now OAN is off the list of reliable media. They also could very quickly become "enemy" with too many "wrong moves" like the fallen FOX.

Labeling media as "enemy" ain't such a hot idea IMO. What is media? You say it's the likes of "OAN", others would say MSNBC. Who decides which is the real enemy? The one with the power to squash the other? I'm seeing an awful lot of that lately.

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
So to sum up, I pretty much know the news they are looking at. They don't know what I and millions of others on Trumps side are looking at and reading. My friend calmly told me, there is no election fraud. He read that in the NYTimes!

Your friend would surely roll his eyes at your Epoch Times source, surely as you do his New York Times source.

[thepainterdoug]

Gracie May always enjoy and respect your counterpoint. Good points and remember my hockey team analogy?

But avalon, newsmax, OAN and epoch times that I mentioned, can't light a candle to the dominance and recognizability of NYTimes , Twitter F Book , ABC , NBC, CBS CNN MSMBC etc. We all know that

I don't have a friend that ever visited Project Avalon. They are the same people who believe a dropper of Colloidal silver will turn you blue.

Its the imbalance thats obscene, and no reporting on the Hunter Biden until after the election. You must see this is a concerted effort?

regardless, I get your view. thanks

[Merkaba360]

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
So those who are Trump haters will never see the news that we all here see.
Why would they read, Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, the Federalist, Newsmax, OAN and so on? No need or interest. In fact, not even aware.

Hi Doug,

Glad you brought some of these things up, let me touch on something that jumps out at me more and more these days:

First off, I'm hoping it's still possible to not be at all aligned with Team Trump, yet still not be pigeonholed into "Trump hater". Not sure if that's even possible any more, as we're all being herded to take the field solidly for one team or the other.

I found it interesting FOX NEWS is now missing from the list of "reliable media". FOX was the backbone, the go to source for conservative slanted news for decades, and then they suddenly got tossed aside like yesterday's garbage when they dared call the big one like they saw it, not just automatically call it for the home team as expected.

So the field was narrowed. I wonder if OAN were to finally say on January 20th "you know what folks, it's really over, Biden really won, we just have to suck it up and Go Trump 2024!"

I've got a feeling they would, in that moment, become "one of them as well". Now OAN is off the list of reliable media. They also could very quickly become "enemy" with too many "wrong moves" like the fallen FOX.

Labeling media as "enemy" ain't such a hot idea IMO. What is media? You say it's the likes of "OAN", others would say MSNBC. Who decides which is the real enemy? The one with the power to squash the other? I'm seeing an awful lot of that lately.

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
So to sum up, I pretty much know the news they are looking at. They don't know what I and millions of others on Trumps side are looking at and reading. My friend calmly told me, there is no election fraud. He read that in the NYTimes!

Your friend would surely roll his eyes at your Epoch Times source, surely as you do his New York Times source.

You say that as if their perceptions are equaly valid. The NY times reader only is aware of that viewpoint. The alternative media reader is aware of far more sites and data and both or all viewpoints - meaning they chose their view and deemed the MSM view false.

Sure they can try to create a schism between those disillusioned with the corrupt world and those still under illusion. The disillusioned people are sort of forced to side with Trump, but many of us are smarter than that and don't fit nicely into the box even though we have to make a choice. Trump is telling us exactly what we want to hear and is actually acting out much of what we want. If that is a trick, then so be it - at least he is announcing many of the truths we want to voice. ex: "The MSM is fake news", etc. Trump has to make the world better in order to fool us , if that is the case. Then where does the trap come in? They would have to win via AI and the technoprison I suppose. Thats a constant threat either way.

The law decides who squashes who. THe medias like Youtube, facebook, google, MSM are massively censoring, the alternative is not. The lies and censoring is so obvious a child can be made aware of it if given the evidence. The same is not true for alternative media. They should all have arrests already if the Judicial branch wasn't corrupt as heck.

Of course, we need compassion and should avoid seeing the opponent as an ENEMY. Those pro and against slavery were enemies enough to war over it. Now, it is obvious who the ignorant "enemies" were. What matters is that they were overwhelmed and stomped out. These days we would like to do it in a less violent way, which is more likely due to the consciousness of the times.

In the end the consciousness people sort of decide. Whoever they may be, if there are enough of them , they just are too powerful.

[Gracy]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Gracie May always enjoy and respect your counterpoint.

As I always enjoy yours Doug, genuine to the bone.

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
We have seen a coup take place from foreign and home with the aid of a corrupt media and tech alliance.

You say that as if it's fact, and it's not. I mean seriously now, even the 6-3 Conservative Supreme Court washed their hands of it, and they were supposed to be the ones to ride in and save the day. Sure, maybe now the whole US court system is corrupt and in it because they don't see it Trump's way. Or, maybe the courts have it exactly right and they're not all corrupt.

In that case, it would be Trump and team attempting the coup.

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
You say that as if their perceptions are equaly valid. The NY times reader only is aware of that viewpoint. The alternative media reader is aware of far more sites and data and both or all viewpoints - meaning they chose their view and deemed the MSM view false.

The alternative media reader, in the case of this forum anyway, is heavily pro Trump. News sources such as OAN, Newsmax, Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit, Mike Adams, etc., are all tailored to give conservative minded people what they want in their news. Now those formats are also doubling as giving desperate Trump followers what they want to see in their news.

FOX used to be the big kahuna, but even they at a certain point had to pull back on the reigns a bit and not run wild with things. And that cost them big. Now they're "one of them", probably even "in on it" like the courts, and everyone else who sees things differently than these select, hand picked news and commentary outlets and those that get their news from them.

I don't see how that makes us so superior to the NY Times reader or any of the others. All are feeding from the trough that confirms their world view, and their desired world view. That's not what news is supposed to be. As an example I don't see OAN as dishing out any better product than the NY Times. To me they're both playing they're role in modern day Mockingbird Media. "I'll nab this type, you nab that type".

[Karen (Geophyz)]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Yes, if past is prologue the country will continue to be seriously divided. But if Trump wins, he is a very creative man, and may finally be able to tell the American people the truth about the corruption, and prove it to them in some big way. There are also completely unknown possibilities that could surface that we have no idea about at the moment.

I am afraid this country is divided beyond repair already. No doubt the corruption is real but proving it will be another thing. Will voting ever matter again? I worry about the future, I do not see good things coming down the pipe for us. We all need to be prepared.

[thepainterdoug]

gracie may, to the marrow within the bone! you as well however, if i truly thought Trump was a sore looser, i would call it out and jump ship. but i have seen so so much of the stats on the fraud that is tooooo flagrant

and as for the s court, well there is a game withing a game, and we will have to see what that is..

Karen. agreed. Im done after this. will never vote again. will leave it up the the youngins, who have no idea what they are ushering in.
free stuff!!! yaaaaaayyyyyy!!

and lastly, Chuck Schumer said somewhere, the cia decides all .

[pyrangello]

I too will not vote again or donate a dollar to any political campaign if this does not get corrected. And I'm not the only one! Per Schumer about the CIA, If they continue to dis-enfranchise the patriots of this country including law enforcement and beat down all of us including stripping America of its 2cd amendment . The only question I have if we ever get invaded by a foreign country is who's going to protect all of you and your families? There are 27 million veterans in this country, 430 million firearms or around that, militias and on and on. All any of us Americans want are free and FAIR ELECTIONS. Then whoever is elected is who it is. This isn't even about Trump anymore. By the way for all the gun control advocates, their are 3 times more deaths caused by chemicals under your sink every year in the U.S. than by firearms.

One of the signers of the Declaration of Independence here in America was JOHN HANCOCK. If you notice his signature was the largest signed on the declaration. It was signed that large so when the King of England saw the declaration he would see Hancock's signature first. During the revolutionary war 2 of Hancock's sons were captured and being kept on the prison ships off shore. The King of England sent notice to Hancock THAT IF HE RESCINDED his signature on that declaration his sons would be freed from the prison ships. Hancock stood his ground and would not rescind his signature from the declaration. His sons did die on those prison ships as a result. The signers on our declaration stood together with the conviction and fortitude as to what is known as the United States of America. It doesn't matter what you identify as when voting except that you are a legal citizen of the U.S. If this election does not get corrected every voter in American will have been cheated not just now but for the rest of our elections in the future.

As for the media, they suck, I don't even watch them anymore, canceled my cable 3 years ago too!

[thepainterdoug]

posting this great summary//

From https://abyssum.org/2020/12/13/how-d...his-honesty-c/

THE AUDACITY OF THIS MAN TRUMP
By E.P. UNUM
December 13, 2020

I’m still trying to understand what 80 million voters disliked about President Trump so much that they decided to cast their votes for a man who served forty-seven years in government and has done absolutely nothing for the American people. And, I’m still flabbergasted that those same people would vote for a woman to serve as Vice President, a heartbeat away from the Presidency, with a rather checkered and not so moral past. I wondered why they despised and hated President Trump so much.

And so, I have many questions:
Did you dislike that Trump made cruelty to animals a felony?

Did you dislike he raised billions to stop the opioid crisis?

Perhaps you feel that he destroyed ISIS, killed terrorists, including the leader of ISIS and the Iranian General responsible for thousands of American deaths, all without going to war?

Did you dislike the fact that the media and democrats, Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Cuomo, and Jim Acosta said we’d be in World War III by now with North Korea, and their prophecies did not come to pass?

Did you dislike Trump because under his leadership we became energy-independent and an exporter rather than an importer of oil, no longer relying on the Middle East for our petroleum needs?

Did you dislike him because he wanted to build a wall to keep criminals and drugs from coming into our country?

Did you dislike him because he just slashed the price for medications in some cases by 50%, which is driving big Pharma nuts?

Perhaps you dislike that he signed a law ending the gag-order on pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving options on prescriptions?

Is your dislike for President Trump based on the fact that he signed the Save Our Seas Act, which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic and garbage from the ocean?

Did you dislike that he signed a bill for airports to provide breastfeeding stations for nursing moms?

How about the fact that he signed the biggest wilderness protection and conservation bill in a decade, designating 375,000 acres as protected land, was that why you dislike him?
Did you dislike that he loves America and puts Americans first?

Did you dislike that he made a gay man the ambassador to Germany and then asked him to clean up national security and un-classify as much of it as possible for transparency?

Did you dislike that he’s kept almost every campaign promise (with zero support from Congress who work against him daily!) plus 100 more promises because Washington was much more broken than he or any of us thought?

Do you dislike that he works for free, donating his entire $400,000 salary to different charities?

Did you feel that he did this for four years because he was “showboating?”

Do you dislike that he’s done more for the black community than every other President?

Do you dislike that he listened to senator Scott and passed Invest In Opportunity Zones to help minorities?

Do you dislike that he passed prison reform, which gives people a second chance and has made quite a huge difference for the black communities?

Do you dislike that he passed VA reforms to benefit the very people who served our country and defend our freedom?

Do you dislike that he’s winning and signing new trade deals that benefit Americans, instead of costing us more?

Did you dislike him because, unlike all of the presidents who came before him, he recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, relocated the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv there, and then proceeded to negotiate four peace accords between Israel and Arab Nations when many in the media were predicting there would be war? Was that why you disliked him?

Do you dislike that he loves his flag and his country?

Do you dislike that he calls out and has shown time and time again that the mainstream media in our country has become corrupt and incompetent, twisting the truth to control and mislead the people and he is trying to protect us from this?

Do you dislike that he has been a President totally committed to ending wars and bringing our troops home?

Perhaps you dislike the stern way he spoke, publically to NATO allies to step up and pay their commitments to defense rather than expecting America to do it for them, something we have done for over seventy-five years?

Do you dislike that he has made a commitment to end child-trafficking and crimes against humanity and has made 1000’s of arrests already?

Do you dislike he’s brought home over 40 Americans held captive, the last one from Iran?

Do you dislike that he’s proven he was right about the Deep State and he was indeed spied on before, during, and after he became President?

Do you dislike that he was a Billionaire before he ran for President and now is worth at least 1/3 less... because he loves America?

Do you dislike that he respects cops, veterans, ICE & First Responders?

Do you dislike that he does not sell out America to other countries, like the leaders prior to him have done?

Could it be possible that the ones who sell out America to line their pockets own the media and Hollywood and hate him so much for trying to expose them and hate him for putting the American people first that they try to manipulate our thinking and control the information we get to try to cultivate hatred for him? These people benefit when you hate the man trying to stop them... so they won’t have to give up the wealth they have gotten and continue to get thru mass taxation and control. Wouldn’t you at least want to research this possibility?

Could 75 million Americans already know the truth... that he has done more for blacks in the last 20 years than our last 5 presidents put together and is actually not a racist and never has been one… but you believe he is because it has been drilled into your head and yet you’ve never researched his accomplishments?

You can start by watching those daily briefings he did during the lockdown (all online) and then watching the coverage on the Main Stream Media and how they twisted it.

Do you actually believe the President encouraged America to inject bleach?

Did you research the effects of UV light which is used to disinfect school busses and medical equipment and is also being used as a treatment for bacteria and respiratory infections? They want you to believe he is stupid because if you figure out that he isn’t, they will lose billions of dollars and all their control.
I know... it is hard to let go of what you believed to be true for most of your life. You are not alone. But your blind hatred of this man who is literally trying to save us from the far left, radical Socialists is going to be detrimental to our country if you continue to support their hatred.

They are teaching hatred and separation...to our children and even to our families! You are not allowed to agree with “part” of their agenda and think for yourself; you must repeat their full belief system, or name-calling and insults ensue.

This is not an informed debate. It is not a reason. This is the very definition of a cult! All or nothing! They despise law and order. Just look around you. He supports law and order, not looting, rioting, and chaos, so we are safe and can live in a civilized society. He stands for unity and America first. Is that why you dislike him?

You will be amazed at how much more peace comes into your life when you turn off the fake news and tune into what America stands for, where we focus on what unites us, not what divides us. The media has despised him from day one. Impeachment was on the table before he even took the oath of office in January 2017. They said Impeach the “motherfuc#^*r”....but then they turn around and say his rhetoric is bad? He was never given a chance, yet he’s done more in 4 years than any president with zero help from the media or democrats. Results don’t lie.

The media and democrats consistently complain about Trump “mismanaging the Covid Crisis." Nothing could be further from the truth. The man has been a rock and his leadership has kept the nation from the abyss. He promised a vaccine before the end of 2020. They said it could not be done. He proved them wrong once again….doses of the vaccine are being delivered now in mid-December!

He built hospitals in NYC and California, sent retrofitted Navy Hospital Ships which went unused, initiated Operation Warp Speed that produced PPE and therapeutics in record time along with thousands of ventilators, far more than we needed, and which are now being sent all over the world. And the overall death rate from Covid stands at less than one percent!

How dare this man, the President of the United States, care so much about the American people and our Country. How dare he stand at attention and salute our Flag, support our troops, honor our veterans, put God back into our lives, protect the unborn, give people second chances and take seriously his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

How dare this man show up at 2:00 AM at Dover Air Force Base to welcome home hostages held in foreign lands and the remains of our fallen soldiers.

How dare this man develop and implement plans and programs to create the greatest most prosperous economy and standard of living in the history of mankind.

How dare he reduce unemployment to 3.4% and lower unemployment for Black, Asian and Hispanic communities in fifty years!

You would think this man was trying to actually do things rather than speak eloquently and act “Presidential” and “Cool” about such things.

How dare he!

One would think this President was trying to provide leadership.

How crass.

The audacity of this man.

You would think he is trying to be a leader or something

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I liked all the things Trump did but I do and will continue to dislike him as a person. I would never want to meet him or be around him. I find him and his personality very offensive. But as an American, that is my privilege! He did everything he could to help the country. Now we are in serious trouble with Harris.

Even if I feel (and I do) that my vote didn't count, I will continue to vote. Not voting is just what the Harris team would like for us to do, then we can slide right into socialism.

I am not surprised that many voted for Harris over Trump but I do feel the elections served only to allow them to figure out how many votes they needed to defeat Trump and then they invented them.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gracy May (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
We have seen a coup take place from foreign and home with the aid of a corrupt media and tech alliance.

You say that as if it's fact, and it's not.

Attorney Robert Barnes disagrees. Here he is talking to Alex Jones less than an hour ago, with a detailed 15 minute exposition of the current situation. It contains quite a lot of condensed information.

• https://projectavalon.net/Robert_Bar...6_Dec_2020.mp3 (8 Mb)

[Gracy]

Good timing Bill, just got done listening to it.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Bill , so my own lying eyes seeing all the media slant and censorship will need to be checked . but i will listen.

and Karen They say Aldolph H was a great dancer and fun to be around.

[Bassplayer1]

Thank you Doug for taking the time to share with us the work that Trump has undertaken that doesn't get acknowledged and respected. Although I'm British now living in Canada, I feel you.

In my little universe, all conversation with Trump haters has now reached a dead end. Interestingly, after the election and when word was out about water-marked ballots, then the Dominion servers and also The Kraken etc, many left-leaning, socialist friends were stopped in their tracks for a moment and were wondering about this - that if this info is correct, then fair play to Trump and wrongs have to be righted. They were willing to watch and see ... there was a faint glimmer of benefit-of-the-doubt.

Well these discussions have died a death now because day-in-day-out and for weeks on, they see it as all talk and NOTHING out in the open on the table. And its not about this info getting no airplay via MSM - this info is still abundantly out there and these guys are following it.

I (like many many others I'm sure) am getting laughed at and shouted at because they see that nothing is public and out in the open and its nothing more than a game and I'm an idiot for having any hope in it.

I'm now listening to what seems as the most insane narrative coming from their side of the fence - for example, 'Trumps finished' - 'he's in huge debt' and the reason why he's prolonging this fictitious fantasy of election fraud is to dupe 'ignorant Trump voters' in to donating money to pay his (and his family's) debts and to raise the money to cover court costs because he's going to prison. Blah blah blah ....

This is the insanity of conversation I'm experiencing right now. It's such a shame, because a few weeks ago, some of them were willing to wait and see what played out and what would be put on the table by Team Trump. They too are seeing all the talk of 'mass arrests' and 'mass indictments' and stuff and feel it's not being backed up with what they deem as being hard evidence. The days go by and MSM cements the Biden victory.

I still have enough energy left to have hope for the time being but it saddens me that some folk were willing to give this a chance and now they are walking off laughing and saying 'I told you so.'

I'll be honest and admit that its becoming a bit harder to 'trust the plan' etc. But there's still time.

[thepainterdoug]

Bassplayer thank you. go to www.jeffreyprather.com watch his latest presention

[Bill Ryan]

The media are core-central to everything that's happening around us. If there were still good, unleashed investigative reporters who really stood for the people, freedom and truth, then they could have laid waste to the entire Covid rollout, the US election fraud, the 'Great Reset', 'global warming', 9/11, the UFO coverup, and probably a lot else.

RIP Woodward and Bernstein. (Though they, too, rather turned traitor in their later years.)

Whoever orchestrated all this (plus whatever may be coming in 2021) got the media + social media tech giants in their pockets first. You can kind of back-engineer the strategic planning.