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    Default A Socialist called into Sean Hannity’s radio show

    Wow! Just found this video that says it all about what the socialist democrats think about the rest of us. Many of us suspected this, but to hear one of them saying it, just WOW! If this doesn't open ppl's minds, what will?

    This is from the Gateway Pundit:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ast-one-audio/

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    Default Re: A Socialist called into Sean Hannity’s radio show

    Socialist democrats is a label, it doesn't mean all democrats. I was a campaign manager once for an independent, and have supported candidates on both parties.just depended on the person's views. For this particular moment in time and this election , it seems like we care at a crossroads of ideology and generations . For the elderly that voted for Biden, most of that vote is almost a tradition of voting Democrat because everyone in their family did before them , it didn't matter if bugs bunny was running as a Democrat, he was getting the vote because it's a party thing.

    And then there are the newest generation of voters, the kids who grew up on social media , whose exercise consists of the finger Olympics pushing their keyboards on their phones. The generation that wasn't taught crap about history or conflicts in school. The generation that if you challenged your teacher in school you were suspended or reprimanded. The generation of wants and not how do I work for that to get that. A generation that thinks sacrifice is a word that doesn't exist. And for those extreme in that generation , they are a group of hatred , little emotions , and are socially programmed to be non social. They are the ones that it's everyone else fault except their own and if their miserable then so should you be.

    This referendum on this election now has morphed into exactly what this caller is suggesting and really has nothing to do with trump. It's about a moment in time where so many have sacrificed so much to get this coujntry where it is today and is becoming so corrupt where if not corrected we will become "land of the free, home of the corrupt where nobody goes to jail". As the days have turned into weeks now with no confirmation on who is President the details coming out about how this election was counted has so much fraud it's like getting hit in the faced with a shovel and then having individuals with no pride not even within themselves hitting you again . I wouldn't allow one extreme view to get you upset. Life is like a pendulum, it swings hard left and hard right but always comes back to center as long as we can eliminate the corruption first. That seems to be the main focus now and thanks to that caller ,we just recieved another form of validation.

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    Default Re: A Socialist called into Sean Hannity’s radio show

    Sounds like "fear porn" to me.

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    The way the terms "socialist" and "communist" are used in the USA sounds very strange to the rest of the world. It's probably a result of the cold war propaganda.

    At least in Europe, communist and socialist political parties represent a big part of the voters. They are not something "extreme". Many of the contemporary governments are socialistic and communist parties tend to be in the top 3-4 in each country. In fact, people that support socialism tend to be much more humanitarian and compassionate in contradiction with the usual capitalists who only care about finances and themselves. Although I don't vote, all the people I know in my spiritual circles are leftists. Not in the activist political sense but in their societal point of view.

    Then again, I understand that the USA culture is based on an outdated macho-patriarch culture which turns everything into a Rambo duel. Hence, the US elections are limited to a fight between two parties instead of a celebration of diversity.

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    Default Re: A Socialist called into Sean Hannity’s radio show

    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    The way the terms "socialist" and "communist" are used in the USA sounds very strange to the rest of the world. It's probably a result of the cold war propaganda.

    At least in Europe, communist and socialist political parties represent a big part of the voters. They are not something "extreme".
    Right. Pun intended.

    And Cold War type propaganda never ended, it just shifts with the times same as fashion. Fashion changes over the years, but it's still clothes. It took on the appearance of The War on Terror for quite some time, then it became Russia again for these last 4 years, and now it's morphing again by not only keeping with the Russia schtick, but now also China, Iran, Venezuela, and whoever else fits the occasion. Always gotta have a boogey man, or 2, or 3 or four...

    Anyway, Bernie Sanders is often called a "Radical Leftist" here in the States, and it's always meant as a slur, whereas were he in European politics, I believe he would be considered a centrist. Would you agree with that assessment ZenBaller?

    Now so far as that ass hole caller goes: IMO either he's punking the host as she kept wondering, he's a ringer to rile up the Hannity crowd, or he's an Antifa type that just wants to tear it all down. But an example of your every day, run of the mill socialist? That he is not. Not even close.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    The way the terms "socialist" and "communist" are used in the USA sounds very strange to the rest of the world. It's probably a result of the cold war propaganda.

    At least in Europe, communist and socialist political parties represent a big part of the voters. They are not something "extreme".
    Right. Pun intended.

    And Cold War type propaganda never ended, it just shifts with the times same as fashion. Fashion changes over the years, but it's still clothes. It took on the appearance of The War on Terror for quite some time, then it became Russia again for these last 4 years, and now it's morphing again by not only keeping with the Russia schtick, but now also China, Iran, Venezuela, and whoever else fits the occasion. Always gotta have a boogey man, or 2, or 3 or four...

    Anyway, Bernie Sanders is often called a "Radical Leftist" here in the States, and it's always meant as a slur, whereas were he in European politics, I believe he would be considered a centrist. Would you agree with that assessment ZenBaller?

    Now so far as that ass hole caller goes: IMO either he's punking the host as she kept wondering, he's a ringer to rile up the Hannity crowd, or he's an Antifa type that just wants to tear it all down. But an example of your every day, run of the mill socialist? That he is not. Not even close.
    I think that Bernie Sanders is pretty extreme left also in Europe based on a few of his fighting points. One very important is that he wanted to go to war with Big Pharma. No serious politician in my country has ever made statements like that.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Anyway, Bernie Sanders is often called a "Radical Leftist" here in the States, and it's always meant as a slur, whereas were he in European politics, I believe he would be considered a centrist. Would you agree with that assessment ZenBaller?
    The American society and everything that represents is the epitome of applied capitalism, free market and individualism. 95% of the rest of the world are also capitalistic but with a much higher degree of state intervention that pushes the system closer to the center (the rest 5% are "communist" dictatorships that have nothing to do with actual communism.

    So yes, Bernie Sanders can only say so much in such a rightist system, without being accused of extremism. You could probably classify him as centrist in Europe. Although, if he was active around here, he would probably feel free to have even more leftist views.

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    Default Re: A Socialist called into Sean Hannity’s radio show

    Yes, Europe was more humanitarian. Until the oligarchs started flooding Europe with an inexhaustible supply of economic refugees from Africa in order to drive down the wages of the average European.

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    Quote Posted by ZenBaller (here)
    The way the terms "socialist" and "communist" are used in the USA sounds very strange to the rest of the world. It's probably a result of the cold war propaganda.

    At least in Europe, communist and socialist political parties represent a big part of the voters. They are not something "extreme".

    Then again, I understand that the USA culture is based on an outdated macho-patriarch culture which turns everything into a Rambo duel. Hence, the US elections are limited to a fight between two parties instead of a celebration of diversity.


    This is exactly what Americans do not want to happen to their country which is allowing socialist and communist to become normalized and mainstream. There is no doubt in my mind that Bernie Sanders would be considered slightly to the left but very normal in most of Europe. The views of people and the acceptance of political viewpoints usually moves in small increments. Over time things become normalized and people become accepting of positions that would have seemed outrageous just a few short years ago. Accepting politicians that openly call themselves communist is extreme. What you may view as acceptable socialism or communism lite will not remain that way and over time as their positions incrementally trend harder people will no doubt wonder how did we ever get here. Venezuela is the most current topical example, this was not a fluke and it was not an accident. You can read all day long in mainstream media that socialism was only a small part of what happened to Venezuela but in reality, widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price controls, and the fiscally irresponsible expansion of welfare programs brought on by socialism destroyed this country.

    Thinking that the policies of China, Venezuela, Cuba or Iran are normal is also an extreme position to take. You don't have to be an astute student of history to understand the inevitable outcome of accepting these policies. History is littered with remnants of societies that did not change through of the course of history. To their credit, China is attempting to make changes that will bring them more in line with capitalist countries but whether or not they succeed will be determined over the next 20-40 years. Power is a hard thing to relinquish. Capitalism certainly has its flaws but that is not part of this discussion.

    I think the caller to this program is speaking for a new breed of people on the left, certainly not liberals and certainly not the generation over 40. He is speaking for college students and people that have graduated in the past 10+ years. They have been indoctrinated not to be receptive or sympathetic of any opposing viewpoints. It is my view that the caller is real and he is simply verbalizing what many of these people think. Destruction of the opposing party is an acceptable outcome. Little do they know that without a check and balance of an opposing party the absolute inevitable outcome would be disastrous.

    There will always be people that want socialism, communism and marxism and that is certainly their prerogative but it takes constant thought, tolerance and vigilance from the rest of us to hold them at bay and not allow their policies to become mainstream or normalized unless that is how one wants society to function.

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    Quote Sounds like "fear porn" to me.
    It does, doesn't it, daddy-keith? "They" know how to easily create fear in people. All that past research into the human mind, body, soul and behavior, etc is where this all came out of. That's how they know us so well. Too bad WE didn't see how all that information was weaponized against us until now....

    It's sad that people get frightened, some more than others.

    Quote Socialist democrats is a label, it doesn't mean all democrats.
    I agree, pyrangello. This was only about socialist democrats, a whole new political entity for us. America was where everyone in the world wanted to escape to because as they knew, socialism and communism were horrible things. I guess having so much freedom without having to do anything for it was an easy boring life. The truth is we appreciate what we work hard for. With all the trouble we're facing now, it's time for us to fight for it. The problem is that millennials don't have a clue because they've been brainwashed into thinking 1) America is bad, 2) socialism is better than freedom. Only someone who has lost it understands the horror of losing it. I have relatives in Hungary who remember the nightmare of Communism. My own grandmother was murdered by the Hungarian Communist govt for daring to criticize it in a letter. IN A LETTER, folks because even that was CENSORED. She had forgotten that....

    How sad it is that Americans would readily accept it normal. It's not. IF it's allowed to continue here, I can guarantee, there will be a lot of regrets, a lot of tears and a lot of suffering.

    Thankfully, the majority of Americans don't approve of socialism and communism. Outright reject it. By the majority, I mean the same 100+million Americans for Trump had made their will known on November 3rd. You hear the treacherous lamestream trying to pass off the the dishonesty that we saw after the fact as the will of the people was stolen. Lying, cheating and stealing will not give the thieves what they want, except a long prison term. Ballots of fake, non-existent people, double votes, dead votes, illegal people votes, together with voting machines programmed to cheat is how they did it. It was a FAKE VICTORY for the treacherous cheats. And they will answer for it.

    We're all starting to see how desperate the cheats are with the violence, arson and bombings happening. Using deadly weapons on our people. Honorable people don't do this. If this was a fair and just election, then why are they doing all this? Hiding the truth makes them look guilty as hell. Anyone with common sense can see that. Let's all be relentless in this battle for the TRUTH.

    Today's mantra should be FREEDOM FOR ALL! FIGHT FOR FREEDOM! We won't have a better world until every last one of the criminals are removed from power, even removed from this world. It's not enough to just fire them because they'll go underground to scheme and plot again, bide their time until they can rise again. They've done so much damage that it would be unthinkable to allow them to continue. To quote Rush Limbaugh, "The only way to win a war is to take away ALL of the enemy's ability to fight."

    That's why this enemy is now turning everything it has against us; because they don't want to let go of their power over us. To hell with the elites.
    I personally want their dirty hands off of me. I want freedom. And I want our world to be the safe, beautiful world it was meant to be of open hearts, brotherly and sisterly love and abundance for everyone....

    This would be one world system that would succeed....
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    I find frustration is a big problem in the world. A lack of satisfaction, a lack of purpose, a lack of a voice, and a cynical view of our leadership has lead to societal apathy and a lack of moral compass. It is actually not so much a lack of compass as a capitulation to the mob's whim. People are scared because of the violence being perpetrated against any dissenting view - and how the violence is unofficially sanctioned by the leadership.

    This leads to frustration and a basic shutting down of the higher faculties due to the perceived threat. People in such a scenario hunker down, get out of the line of fire, shut their mouths, and doggedly go about taking care of business how they were taught as children. But the rules have changed, and the numbers that succeed in the old way are dropping, plummeting. Most barely get by even when they are faithful to the old ways. So the leadership responds not by addressing the concerns of its loyal citizens, but by throwing open its national borders and allowing massive migration to dilute the growing dissatisfaction.

    By fascist decree, with the national press subverted and social media captured, the dissenters' talking points are silenced and willfully ignored or derided. The official stance becomes that there is no dissent, no evidence, no claim, and no foul.

    Even though, in this case especially though, the majority hold a view counter to the official narrative, the majority view is completely ignored and silenced so that the majority has no idea they are in the majority. And the official narrative is so insane, so impossibly crazy, so unbelievable, that to listen to it day after day without a counter becomes...frustrating - and demoralizing.

    THE MAJORITY VIEW HAS BEEN SILENCED!

    That is how socialism creeps its way into a society...and not long after fascism and communism regimes result.


    Now, take what I just wrote and apply it to our entire 6000 year written history to see just how far this means of control has managed to drive the herd of humanity. They have erased entire volumes of knowledge from our minds, and to this day keep entire areas of study taboo and sacrosanct. These areas are almost impossible to even imagine because of the great job they have done. One of the most taboo secrets of all is that there is another way and it has been successfully employed here on this planet in times long past. That way is completely blocked from our minds and actively guarded against a broach of even the smallest and most innocent inquiry.

    It is the topic that cannot be named because it cannot even be imagined anymore.

    Beware!
    There are holes in our comprehension that has been spackled over with double-speak and rhetoric of such sophisticated efficiency that it seems as though there are none...this is the way out.

    Its public uncovering is imminent...because the truth will set it free!

    And the truth is coming soon.
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Venezuela is the most current topical example, this was not a fluke and it was not an accident. You can read all day long in mainstream media that socialism was only a small part of what happened to Venezuela but in reality, widespread nationalization of private industry, currency and price controls, and the fiscally irresponsible expansion of welfare programs brought on by socialism destroyed this country.
    While I'm not here to fly the flag of socialism, I do often see other related factors left out of the equation. One such factor is sanctions. When America decides another country is either not cooperating as a good client state should, in this case Chavez deciding he wants to keep his own oil, in comes the sanctions and/or coup attempts. Very difficult keeping an economy chugging along with Uncle Sam's red white and blue boot on it's neck.

    Same with Iran. The US to this day is pissed that there was a revolution in '79, that overturned it's successful coup back in '53. Again, over oil, swiping the natural resources of other countries is a recurring theme. Vilification of them as well. It's no wonder Iran's economy is in the s##tter, because they're being strangled as well.

    Vietnam is communist, why are they one of the fastest growing economies in Southeast Asia?

    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    There will always be people that want socialism, communism and marxism and that is certainly their prerogative but it takes constant thought, tolerance and vigilance from the rest of us to hold them at bay and not allow their policies to become mainstream or normalized unless that is how one wants society to function.
    It's already here to a certain extent. I seldom hear people decry the horrors of services like schools, police, fire department, roads, bridges, etc. All paid for by taxes, and free at the point of service to every single person. In a purely capitalist environment, we would have to contract with the fire department to get service, same as cable tv.

    Now back to the caller. I don't see many examples of that kind of extreme left wing lunacy running around, sure it's around like all different types of extreme, but from what I see most left leaning young people what what Bernie Sanders was peddling, not the crap the caller was spewing.


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    It is my view that the caller is real and he is simply verbalizing what many of these people think. Destruction of the opposing party is an acceptable outcome.
    There's a lot of that running both ways these days, not just from radical lefties.

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    Vietnam is communist, why are they one of the fastest growing economies in Southeast Asia?
    Because they're practising capitalism?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    While I'm not here to fly the flag of socialism, I do often see other related factors left out of the equation. One such factor is sanctions. When America decides another country is either not cooperating as a good client state should, in this case Chavez deciding he wants to keep his own oil, in comes the sanctions and/or coup attempts. Very difficult keeping an economy chugging along with Uncle Sam's red white and blue boot on it's neck.
    You're right because it is hard to fly the flag for socialism because it has never worked. It has been tried in several different countries that come to mind, Russia, India, Israel, Sweden, Venezuela and (believe it or not) the UK and each time it started off fine with good economic growth but it was eventually rejected because it was not sustainable. I think China understands this and is making small incremental efforts to move towards a capitalist society. It is doubtful (in my mind) that they will be able to complete the transition without a lot of protest, riots and turmoil because giving up power is not in man's DNA. I think we will eventually see the same sort of riots but on a much grander scale that has been happening in Hong over the past two years. Also, I understand that China is a communist country but strict socialism and communism are incestuous. 

    I don't think the sanctions are significant in the larger scheme of things. What brought Chavez to power in the first place was corruption but in the end, Chavez turned out to be more corrupt than the regimes he replaced. The petrodollars in Venezuela have turned out to be a curse and not a blessing. Venezuela is a nation rich with natural resources such as oil, gold, diamonds and other minerals. Yet, it is experiencing a crisis in which most people cannot find food or medicine. Forty percent of the people before Chavez lived well below the poverty line and now it is much much higher. The USA had llittle to nothing to do with that, it was pure and simple corruption and greed.  While Chavez and Maduro would like you to believe that the USA is at the heart of the problem it simply is not the case. No leader on earth (unfortunately) is going to stand up and say,  I don't understand economics 101, I screwed up. What they will do is find a villain and usually they pick on the strongest kid on the block because they usually have some culpability and they are easy targets. Just take a look at Chavez's UN speech in 2012. All he talks about is the devil, the smell of sulfur. This is great theatrics but it is meaningless. It is an effort to simply say.............don't look at my mismanagement, corruption or even my lack of economics proficiency. It is all the fault of the USA. This is nothing more than the magician's sleight of hand. Stories don't work without a villian, Democrats have them, Republicans have them and virtually every successful book or movie has villains. Without the great villains we don't have the ability to choose sides and our story becomes illogical.

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    Same with Iran. The US to this day is pissed that there was a revolution in '79, that overturned it's successful coup back in '53. Again, over oil, swiping the natural resources of other countries is a recurring theme. Vilification of them as well. It's no wonder Iran's economy is in the s##tter, because they're being strangled as well.
    A lot of people believe that we should be taking oil from the middle east and I believe that Trump has even vocalized this stance. But to my knowledge, the USA has never stolen oil, if it has it has not been reported. The USA has intercepted several tankers (embargoed) full of oil and applied the money to international court cases. In the grand scheme of this does not even amount to a drop in the bucket. The U.S. government does not steal oil from the Middle East. The U.S. government does not own or operate any refineries anywhere in the world. The U.S. Government does not own any tankers or railroads to ship the oil from one place to another.

    What the U.S. government does, via its military reach, is to ensure that those global markets remain stable and do not fluctuate wildly in the event of some terror attack on a tanker, oil field, or refinery. This is not done for altruistic reasons it is to stabilize markets and economies, it's about the money.

    Yes, the USA did install a puppet government with the Shah of Iran and in my mind the Iranian people had the right to put a government in of their choice. The problem is that the government that was installed is radical, terrorist oriented and has ambitions far beyond the region. They could even be the catalyst for WWIII if they end up getting useable nuclear weapons. So we can only wonder what is truly is the right course of action for the USA, China or Russia which all exert influence over the country. Should they be left alone to their own devices and live or die at their own hands or is some form of intervention warranted? I don't really know but I do believe less intervention is better than more.

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Vietnam is communist, why are they one of the fastest-growing economies in Southeast Asia?
    You are right about Vietnams. The economy is bursting at the seams with a 7% growth rate. Here is a blurb from google:
    Quote In 2019, Vietnam's economy continued to show fundamental strength and resilience, supported by robust domestic demand and export-oriented manufacturing. Real GDP grew by an estimated 7 percent in 2019, similar to 2018, one of the fastest growth rates in the region. 
    Again more power to them if they can make it work but I suspect it will eventually change as it becomes even more market-driven and people get a taste of wealth. What usually happens is that the government will need more income to sustain the growth and people will start to baulk at giving the government a larger slice of their earnings.  They will be working harder for less money and it eventually they will lose their incentive to create or produce.  If they can make it work maybe it will be an example to the rest of the world but it is highly doubtful. 

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    It's already here to a certain extent. I seldom hear people decry the horrors of services like schools, police, fire department, roads, bridges, etc. All paid for by taxes, and free at the point of service to every single person. In a purely capitalist environment, we would have to contract with the fire department to get service, same as cable tv.
    Now you're getting into something quite different, some might call it socialism lite or market socialism. There is no doubt that if we had private schools, private fire departments, and our infrastructure were financed privately we would have smart children, less fatal fires and great roads and bridges but that is another discussion altogether.

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Now back to the caller. I don't see many examples of that kind of extreme left-wing lunacy running around, sure it's around like all different types of extreme, but from what I see most left-leaning young people what Bernie Sanders was peddling, not the crap the caller was spewing.

    ]There's a lot of that running both ways these days, not just from radical lefties.
    I feel as though I see a lot of left lunacy and I suspect over time we will see much more. What is happening with the Black Lives Matter Movement and even ANTIFA (to a lesser extent) is the new left. I honestly believe there is no place for liberals in this party anymore. I have been thinking about starting a thread on this very topic. I don't think most people understand the full extent of how much both parties have changed over the last 10 years. If I find the time I will put it together

    The radical agenda is coming out of the colleges and has a very hard-left agenda. They are intolerant and they have been taught not to listen to alternative viewpoints. They have been rejecting conservative and Republicans speakers on campus for years and in the last few years, they are even rejecting Democrats and liberals that do not have an extreme agenda. This is not going to go away any time soon and I suspect this caller is right on the money. These people would like to see the destruction of the opposition party. 

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