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    Many North Americans (and maybe Europeans and Australians!) might have trouble pinpointing Armenia on a map. Here it is:



    This small, beautiful country has a rich cultural history, and recently, a history featuring several generations of continued bloody conflict.

    A couple of days ago, a peace treaty was brokered by Vladimir Putin between Armenia and Azerbaijan. European and American media may barely have mentioned this, and likely not at all. But RT and Al Jazeerah are a little more reliable for broad-spectrum global news reporting.

    Here are two articles:
    And, for what it's worth, there's a background piece by the BBC, published a couple months ago:
    And this video, also from November, may say more.


    This new thread was prompted by a dialog I had with delightful new member Inna, who's young, professional, well-educated, and whose English is excellent. She is aghast at what's happened to her country, and was kind enough to ask me for my opinion.

    I was only able to reply in broad-spectrum global terms: that in the dark interests of 'globalism', there's a steady high-level juggernaut-like push for the obliteration of many small independent nations and cultures.

    I'm barely qualified to share any comment on the affairs or history of this particular region, but all I can offer is the creation of a thread for Inna to post on and educate many of us just a little more.

    In closing, I can say just a couple of things, maybe:
    • North Americans and Europeans may need to be reminded that there's a lot else going on in the world that deeply affects the lives and futures of many millions of good people.
    • Humanity is still primitive, tribal, violent and self-serving in so, so many ways.


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    I am greatful to Mr. Ryan for his support.
    As nobody talked about the unjustice that continues till nowadays in Armenia I' ll share a little information about it.
    The history of Armenia for last 100 years is full of massacres. In 1915 turks and kurds of the Ottoman Empire exterminated 1,5 million of Armenians and made them dissapear from their ethnic territorries. Those territories include the eastern part of of modern Turkey. In 1921 Nakhijevan and Artsakh which are both Armenian ethnic territories were given to another type of turks-Azerbaijan. In both cases it was scripted by the so-called Masonry and it's highest representatives.
    The next massacre was from 1988 to 1994 and was done by Azerbaijan. My family also was a victim, as removed during those massacres to another part of Armenia, so I know how does it affect.
    The next massacre was from 27. 09. 2020 to 9. 11. 2020 as the escalation of the war started, as a result the land of my ancestors- Artsakh was given to azeris. Then the government of Armenia, which is under control of George Soros and other representatives of the "elite" started selling territories of Armenia to Azebaijan. I am afraid of any news, as every day they give armenian territories without war.
    To prove my statement about those people who are scripting these nightmares I will mention their predictive programming that was made in Lady Gaga's mv 911, which was released almost 10 days before the start of war and had the hidden description of the war.
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    I was listening last week to an old interview by Vahan Setyan on the Armenian roots of civilisation. Armenia used to extend much further than its present borders and included the area where Gobekli Tepe stands.

    Vahan Setyan believes that Armenian history has been repressed and largely destroyed, and that elements of the Armenian language can be seen in Basque and Sanskrit. I do wonder if the significance of Armenia in history could be a reason for the suppression of its people and their history. I have been aware of the Armenian genocides since I had a conversation with an Armenian lady in 1980, but whenever I have mentioned this to people, they have no idea that it happened.

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    You are definitely right. The more I am digging the more ancient roots of Armenia appear. I think the owners of the world are killing Armenians in some genetical reasons. They want to destroy Qarahunj observatory and Tatev monastery. The clue to the true history of humanity is somewhere near armenian history.

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    My dear Inna,
    My name is Anca and I am from Romania.
    Thank you for your courage and strength!

    I'm sorry for all the events in your country. I know that fear is not an option when you stand in front of the enemy, and your people have suffered greatly under oppression on all sides. I know the history extensively, I watched the events, in this evening I read even more about how deep your culture goes, which is interesting and very relevant but especially true.

    First of all, I want to express my regret and at the same time the most sincere honor for all the lives lost in the conflict and for all the suffering of civilians.
    I just wanted you to know that I also come from a country where all the battles and wars were fought hard but with holiness and love of country, all our wars were always only for defense, just like yours there. I know that you all are very open and peaceful people, happy and lovers of life and justice.

    I am proud to admit that I know the story about the Armenian Community in Romania, but especially proud that my country, in 1915, received many Armenians in its soul and home. The Armenian community made its presence felt on the Romanian territory more than eight centuries ago. Persecuted by the Turks then, tens of thousands of Armenians migrated en masse to our country, especially after 1915.

    Even if I do not live there, I want you to know that I am with your heart for your justice, for your freedom and your right to Life and History.
    In 1923, after the genocide against the Armenians, in the Port of Constanta city in Romania, 198 orphaned children arrived





    Looking at these photos again tonight, I know I can't stay whole in front of them, something in me breaks for such great suffering.

    I am so sorry that you find yourself as a territory in the sphere of interests and influence of several opponents who in other "theaters" are together ... such a chaos created and sustained says a lot about the holy beautiful location.

    The community of Armenians in Romania with people of good faith has integrated very well, all Romanians participate with absolute pleasure in the Armenian holidays.
    http://www.uniuneaarmenilor.ro/


    Please don't be afraid Inna. In these times, maybe "someone" thought of "intensifying" the negative events, just assuming that your Country is used to fear and that there should be a more "serious" reason for fear , so they probably "appealed" to the meaning of your symbols.
    But no one knows that your faith and history live alive in the blood of you and in those who sacrificed themselves. The imprint of the soul and of tradition and culture cannot be erased even with death, I pray for the survival of all your values ​​and especially of generations and people and soldiers.

    Wishing for peace
    with deep respect,
    Anca
    And all this to be just human.

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    This video really helped me to understand the conflict. These folks explain the finer details of what's going on and the effects of the surrounding countries and their allies have on the current conflict.



    This next video is an up close and personal look at the war. It's hard to watch.
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    Quote Posted by HikerChick (here)
    I was listening last week to an old interview by Vahan Setyan on the Armenian roots of civilisation. Armenia used to extend much further than its present borders and included the area where Gobekli Tepe stands.

    Vahan Setyan believes that Armenian history has been repressed and largely destroyed, and that elements of the Armenian language can be seen in Basque and Sanskrit. I do wonder if the significance of Armenia in history could be a reason for the suppression of its people and their history. I have been aware of the Armenian genocides since I had a conversation with an Armenian lady in 1980, but whenever I have mentioned this to people, they have no idea that it happened.
    I had boyfriend in college whose family was from Armenia, I also don't need to be reminded the rest of the world is important.

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    I am grateful to you and your country for such a warm attitude towards Armenians. I appreciate your support, stay safe.

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    During several minutes this mv shows the main sights of Artsakh. Artsakh is extremely beautiful and ecologically clean. And people there are extremely kind, but those who own the world took the opportunity of living on our ethnic lands. They are cursed forever.
    https://youtu.be/GuHHxmv7FM0
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    Hi Inna and a warm welcome to the forum!
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    Quote Posted by Inna (here)
    During several minutes this mv shows the main sights of Artsakh. Artsakh is extremely beautiful and ecologically clean. And people there are extremely kind, but those who own the world took the opportunity of living on your ethnic lands. They are cursed forever.
    https://youtu.be/GuHHxmv7FM0
    Very beautiful places are in your country and the music and dance are also beautiful and for those who are not familiar with them here is one Armenian singer that I like and on his feisbuc page you can see more interesting stuff form his mother land.



    https://www.facebook.com/DavitZaqary...=page_internal
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    Significant problems continue, as does quite some personal suffering.
    Armenians Displaced By Post War Demarcations
    20 Jan, 2021

    Some villages have been divided in two by new boundaries.

    Armenian officials warn that citizens within the state borders of Armenia risk displacement due to the arbitrary way post-ceasefire boundaries are being designated.

    As well as parts of Karabakh, the November 9 deal transfers seven regions surrounding the breakaway republic back to Azerbaijan.

    It remains unclear how the border is being decided, given large discrepancies between Soviet-era demarcations -- when such internal boundaries were largely meaningless -- and current facts on the ground.

    So far, demarcations in the southern and northern regions of Syunik and Gegharkuniq have reportedly been carried out by Azerbaijani officials using GPS or Google maps, with military personnel dispatched to tell locals that they had to leave their land and homes.

    Human rights ombudsman Arman Tatoyan told reporters on January 12 that the demarcation process was violating the rights of Armenian citizens as well as impinging on the country's internationally recognised borders.

    He pointed to specific examples of cases under dispute, for instance in the village of Shurnukh in Syunik, now divided by a narrow road into an Armenian and an Azerbaijani part. One villager he named as Styopa Movsisyan had had his home and farm split between the two.

    "Border demarcation without proper research and working commissions is a violation of international law," Tatoyan said.

    Tatoyan highlighted other cases in Shurnukh, Vorotan, Agarak Yeghvard and elsewhere in which locals had lost both their homes and hundreds of acres of agricultural land. In Gegharkunik, investors also lost property including the Sotk gold mine, most of it now under Azerbaijani control.

    He said that all those concerned had the right to compensation from the Azerbaijani authorities.

    Shurnukh village chief Hakob Arshakyan said that 12 families -- comprising 37 people - had been displaced, all of whom had property certificates issued by the administrative headquarters in Goris during the Soviet era.

    He said that the villagers had complained to officials in Yerevan as well as local lawmakers.

    In late December, Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan travelled to Syunik to meet residents and was met by furious protestors.

    Narek Ghahramanyan, a lawmaker from the ruling My Step party, who comes from Syunik and represents the area, said that he saw no human rights violations inherent in the demarcations.

    "Those are state borders, ratified by the Republic of Armenia's National Assembly back in 2010. Who violated their rights? The border?" he asked.

    Tigran Khzmalyan, co-chair of the European party of Armenia, said that the demarcation was provisional and that the issue could eventually be brought back into the circle of international law and Minsk Group.

    "I reiterated more than once that Putin was working in collusion with the Azeris and especially Turks," he said. "That was a humiliating trade for us."

    Political commentator Armen Chibukhchyan said that it was concerning Russia was willing to accede to Azerbaijani demands for control over Armenian territories and strategic positions.

    "It raises eyebrows that the Russian president called that process a demarcation, but demarcations assume totally different procedures," he said, adding that introducing international rather than Russian peacekeepers into Karabkah would have reduced the risks of territorial loss and kept the Minsk Group more involved in the process.

    Moscow, he continued, was consistently serving Azerbaijan's best interests "at our expense".

    "Russia's attempt to share [its influence over] Azerbaijan with Ankara while consistently trying to avoid escalations with the latter will inevitably play down Armenian interests."
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    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    I was listening last week to an old interview by Vahan Setyan on the Armenian roots of civilisation. Armenia used to extend much further than its present borders and included the area where Gobekli Tepe stands.

    Vahan Setyan believes that Armenian history has been repressed and largely destroyed, and that elements of the Armenian language can be seen in Basque and Sanskrit. I do wonder if the significance of Armenia in history could be a reason for the suppression of its people and their history. I have been aware of the Armenian genocides since I had a conversation with an Armenian lady in 1980, but whenever I have mentioned this to people, they have no idea that it happened.
    Quote Posted by Inna (here)
    You are definitely right. The more I am digging the more ancient roots of Armenia appear. I think the owners of the world are killing Armenians in some genetical reasons. They want to destroy Qarahunj observatory and Tatev monastery. The clue to the true history of humanity is somewhere near armenian history.
    I've seen the argument made that the people who managed to leave Phoenicia and set up empires in Rome, Venice, The Netherlands, UK, USA etc. had a longstanding rivalry and hatred with the peoples of Armenia and they've maintained that hatred. This being the motivation behind the genocide at the start of the 20th century and the present day troubles also.

    I can't recall the source unfortunately.

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    Here are the names of some chemical elements. The interesting fact is that each one of the Armenian alphabetic letters represent a numerical value. Now the sum of the numerical values of letters used to write the name of each element equals the Atomic Number of that element.

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    Quote Posted by Inna (here)

    Here are the names of some chemical elements. The interesting fact is that each one of the Armenian alphabetic letters represent a numerical value. Now the sum of the numerical values of letters used to write the name of each element equals the Atomic Number of that element.
    Hey, that's very very interesting..... how old are those Armenian names? And does this suggest that the periodic table of elements was already known back then?

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    I was listening last week to an old interview by Vahan Setyan on the Armenian roots of civilisation. Armenia used to extend much further than its present borders and included the area where Gobekli Tepe stands.

    Vahan Setyan believes that Armenian history has been repressed and largely destroyed, and that elements of the Armenian language can be seen in Basque and Sanskrit. I do wonder if the significance of Armenia in history could be a reason for the suppression of its people and their history. I have been aware of the Armenian genocides since I had a conversation with an Armenian lady in 1980, but whenever I have mentioned this to people, they have no idea that it happened.
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    You are definitely right. The more I am digging the more ancient roots of Armenia appear. I think the owners of the world are killing Armenians in some genetical reasons. They want to destroy Qarahunj observatory and Tatev monastery. The clue to the true history of humanity is somewhere near armenian history.
    I've seen the argument made that the people who managed to leave Phoenicia and set up empires in Rome, Venice, The Netherlands, UK, USA etc. had a longstanding rivalry and hatred with the peoples of Armenia and they've maintained that hatred. This being the motivation behind the genocide at the start of the 20th century and the present day troubles also.

    I can't recall the source unfortunately.
    Did you find it on internet or somebody told you?
    I know this, and it is true. I didn't mention it, because some people would think I am praising my nation or whatever. I am not sure whether they lived in Phoenicia, but they exactly were ancient "Egyptian priests" who weren't ethnically Egyptians. They spread around the world and formulated so called bloodlines and the top of them. They conquered the world by using unfair ways of wars, hunger, genocides, fake history etc. They still hate Armenians and try to get rid of us mostly by destroying Armenia from inside. They have a reason, it seems to be a huge importancy. If we reveal it and find out it will be better for the other nations, because I am sure that the same powers are going to harm and exterminate them also.

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    Here are the names of some chemical elements. The interesting fact is that each one of the Armenian alphabetic letters represent a numerical value. Now the sum of the numerical values of letters used to write the name of each element equals the Atomic Number of that element.
    Hey, that's very very interesting..... how old are those Armenian names? And does this suggest that the periodic table of elements was already known back then?
    As the official history says they were formulated around 405 AD by Mesrop Mashtots, an Armenian linguist and ecclesiastical leader. I really doubt it, because I am sure that Armenian language is much older and maybe that person just took it back or it is a fake person from the fake history. I will post more interesting facts about Armenian language.

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    https://vstrokax.net/interesnoe/army...ukvy-na-kamne/
    The pictures of the vessel are in this link.
    A very curious vessel was discovered in the Bolivian province of Pocotia and kept in the State Museum of Bolivia, which for some reason was presented as "possibly Sumero-Akkadian". The inside of the vessel is covered with cuneiform inscriptions. But on the back part of the vessel there are letters of the Armenian alphabet Հ, Յ, Դ, Ռ, Ց, Չ, Ձ, Է, Ղ, Ո and a few crosses. There are no words or combinations of words, but there are Armenian letters. Officially this vessel is 5500 years old. 

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    The 5th century is the most fruitful period of the old Armenian literature, which begins with the invention of the Armenian alphabet (405-406) by Mesrop Mashtots (Master, 360 / 361-440) who is a supreme titan of writing. In 407, the first book was translated into Armenian with Armenian letters, the Book of Proverbs of Solomon. The first sentence written in Armenian letters is:

    ճանաչել զիմաստութիւն եւ զխրատ, իմանալ զբանս հանճարոյ
    "To know wisdom and instruction, to know the words of the genius"

    But that's just "history" your language began with oral songs and legends long before it was written (as in our country), many philologists say that the Armenian language could not have suddenly become so clear, strong, beautiful, with a perfect grammar, with a special power of elasticity, plastic and with a very rich vocabulary, than from the power of much older energies.

    Even though many are looking, not everyone sees.
    While others seek evidence with evidence, information flows freely in the blood of Armenians, something that can never be confiscated.

    More than 160 years ago, more precisely in 1847, the writer Gheorghe Asachi printed in Romania, the first alphabet in the Armenian language entitled "The key to the reading of Mesrobian letters".
    Although this is the first textbook published in the Romanian Lands, schools have existed since the 15th century in many monasteries that have studied the aspect of your language so beautiful Inna!

    What I want to emphasize is that identity must be preserved through faith and language and the supremely incomparable mystical religious philosophical culture that is unattainable for many. I know how hard it is for those who want to break any ancestral faith.
    That is why I support the ideal of the spirit of my language alive, I protect it every day, this being the spirit of the people I belong to.

    Remain strong Inna, the wounds of Armenia and the tragic fate of the Armenian people for their liberation struggles, resonate all over the world Inna, is not a private show, it is the suffering of people and an ancestral history that was written nowhere but in the soul to the whole people, a freedom of the intangible cultural heritage and an epic of humanity in us, to be a good intention to stop the occupation and massacre.

    When leaders such as "Prince Charles" and the prime ministers of Australia and New Zealand gather each year in April to commemorate the Battle of Gallipoli during World War I, the spirits of the 1.5 million butchered Christian Armenians they will march with them. A genocide of the twentieth century that few talk about and many forget.

    I am writing here about the small crossing of Armenians with the history of a forgotten part of Romania, for example the Romanian writer Nicolae Iorga and prime minister who founded Armenian churches and communities in my country, said that:
    "Armenians are hardworking, generous, pure, very open and kind, and bearers of a higher Eastern and Western civilization." I, for one, will never doubt your resistance!

    * Learn the Armenian language

    *Սորվինք հայերէն լեզուն

    can save a life someday,

    With care,
    Anca
    And all this to be just human.

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    https://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/...rview.html?m=1
    If somebody is interested who and why is exterminating Armenians just read this interview of Lawrence of Arabia. He was a ****ty person (I am sorry for this phrase, but there is no other word to describe) who loved turks even after that they humiliated him severely, as he was a huge pervert. Why does he hate Armenians?
    My conclusion is not only about that he had some Masonic and other background, but also about the part where he spoke about that if Armenians have lands they are able to rule the world etc. and Armenians are the same as Americans will be 1000 years later. Isn't it bothering?
    How could a little country be compared with the USA?
    Why that jerk hated Armenians and why is the same done nowadays?
    I have some answers but they seem to be unreal, even though I believe it's true. I will share the theory one day, but not now.
    I am not just saying as my family was out of those processes, because my ancestors left Western Armenia before the Genocide because of the danger and settled in other part of Armenia, but in the end of the century my family was obliged to live those native lands too, so it is not just a political issue for me, it's personal.
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