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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-criminal-case

    A Case Of Hope Over Experience: The J6 Referral Falls Short Of A Credible Criminal Case

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    TUESDAY, DEC 20, 2022 - 01:45 PM
    Authored by Jonathan Turley,

    This week the January 6th Committee voted to make criminal referrals to the Justice Department, including the proposed indictment of former President Donald Trump.

    However, the Committee’s splashy finale lacked any substantial new evidence to make a compelling criminal case against former President Donald Trump. The Committee repackaged largely the same evidence that it has previously put forward over the past year.

    Indeed, the reliance on a new videotape of former Trump aide Hope Hicks seems a case of putting “hope over experience” in the criminal Justice system.



    While still based largely on the failure to act, Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Cal.) insisted that “if that’s not criminal, nothing is.” The opposite may be true from a First Amendment perspective. If the failure to act is criminal, it is hard to see what would not criminal under this standard.

    After members like Schiff, again, promised new evidence to support criminal charges, the Committee continued its pattern of rehashing previously known evidence with network-quality videotapes.

    The failure of the Committee to offer any new and direct evidence of criminal conduct was obvious at the outset, Vice Chair Liz Cheney began her remarks by again detailing what Trump failed to do. It was a repeat of the prior hearings and for some likely left the impression of actors who are refusing to leave the stage long after the audience departed.

    The one new piece of evidence was largely duplicative. It shows former aide Hope Hicks saying that she also called upon Trump to make a public statement calling for peace and telling him that there is no evidence of systemic fraud. Nevertheless, the videotape has been heralded by figures like former acting Solicitor General Neil Katyal on MSNBC as “evidence I’ve never seen before from Hope Hicks.” Katyal bizarrely claims “I think that tells you all you need to know about premeditation. Call it criminal intent. The House committees evidence here is very strong.”

    The fact is that the J6 Committee failed to change many minds largely because of what was on display in the final public meeting. It was the same highly scripted, one-sided account repeated mantra-like for months. There is justifiable anger over these accounts but this hearing was billed as presenting the case for criminal charged. It missed that mark by a considerable measure.

    Of course, to raise obvious legal barriers to prosecution today is to invite an Internet flash mob accusing you for being an insurrectionist or fellow traveler. Major media from the Washington Post to National Public Radio routinely refer to the riot as an insurrection despite a deep disagreement over the characterization of the criminal conduct. The media unrelentingly echoes this one view despite polls showing most citizens view that day as a reprehensible “riot” motivated by loyalty to Trump.

    The media also downplayed the glaring failure of the J6 Committee to produce what it described as bombshell evidence of a criminal conspiracy by Trump. Members like Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Ca.) repeatedly promised that the next hearing would reveal such direct evidence only to have the same rehashing of the prior claims for prosecution.

    The Committee was playing to the same audience and knew that they did not have to produce such evidence to make their case. Experts like Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe have previously declared Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included what Tribe suggested was a clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.

    Likewise, experts like legal analyst and Michigan Law Professor Barbara McQuade told MSNBC viewers that Trump could be charged with manslaughter for riot.

    The problem is that crimes actually require satisfaction of underlying elements and cannot be proven by soundbite or desire alone.

    Instead, much of the evidence cited what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. It is a chilling list but it is also notable in that no final action was taken on such proposals.

    That is a far cry from evidence showing mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make.

    The most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.

    However, while repeatedly omitted by the Committee, Trump told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.

    That speech appears protected by the First Amendment and existing Supreme Court precedent. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” The Trump speech, in my view, falls well below that standard for criminalization.

    Repetition of same earlier points does little to strengthen the case for prosecution. The Committee has presented a powerful record of Trump’s failures on that day, including his reckless rhetoric and lack of response. Trump may be guilty of all of these failings, but that does not mean that he is a criminal actor. The reason that Mar-a-Lago presents a greater threat to Trump is that it is based on his actions, not inaction, in retaining classified material.

    It is a disappointing end for the J6 Committee, which could have been so much more than it was. Both sides have pointed fingers at each other for the failure to have a single member nominated by the Republican party. However, even after that breakdown, the Committee could have strived to create greater balance by discussing alternative interpretations of key actions or statements. It could have allowed for greater public examination of witnesses rather than the tightly scripted accounts used in the hearings. It could have explored other issues in public hearing, including the failure of the Congress to adequately prepare for the riot despite prior warnings.

    While some Democrats have asserted an almost proprietary claim to the January 6th riot, this was a desecration of our constitutional process that harmed us all. Indeed some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it. At a minimum, that day was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.

    While the members assured each other that history would honor their efforts, the judgment is likely to be more mixed. It is not a criticism not of what they became as much as what they could have become in investigating the tragedy of January 6th.

    Despite the broad condemnation of Trump for his speech and conduct on that day, there is a difference between what is viewed as reprehensible and what is chargeable as criminal conduct.

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    Meanwhile, back inside the Matrix

    CBS News obtains audio from Michael Flynn testimony to January 6 committee
    CBS Mornings - 3 days ago

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    Watch: Full Jan. 6 Committee Final Public Meeting
    MSNBC - Dec 19, 2022


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    This conversation is rough talk. Lots of swearing and finger pointing at various figures in the alt/truther world. If you are sensitive to being confused or upset by such talk don't listen to it. If you are sure you can handle it, there's a lot of bottom line dot joining going on in there with the sh*t talk. Sacred cows get slaughtered left right and centre. No one is safe from Tore's knife tongue in this one, except Trump himself. He's ok, and the only one she trusts or believes.

    I agreed with some of it and disagreed with some too. Either way, I found the whole conversation informative, refreshing and thought provoking.


    Tore Says - Tue 20 Dec: J6 Class II - Guest Gavin - Full Breakdown - Cheney Talk - 17 Points - Call2Action - Circle Back
    2 hour 4 minutes Posted Dec 21, 2022

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    The Committee, the report, and a heavy dose of J6 reality. Tore and Gavin go deep. Benny the robot does his thing. The Trump fantasy report to fuel their blood lust. Zero indictable evidence with no crimes. Let's look at the players. Proud boys and the Stone uncovered. Helmets on protestors? Ego trips and gay prostitutes. The masses were pissed but peaceful. So many operations taking place that day. Legal framing using proximity. So many factions that our infighting creates weak spots. The preliminary setup involved lots of data. Even the Amish bailed. Not many actual reporters, but lots of thirsty ho's. Informants and clowns did abound. Confusion defined the police coms. Bottom line, DJT did the unexpected. DOJ troops were ready paddy wagons. It was all spontaneous, right? The insiders are now hiding as the truth crawls out. Investigating J6 isn't over. It will circle back very soon.
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    Jan. 6 committee formally withdraws Trump subpoena


    https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...trump-subpoena

    The House select committee investigating the events at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, has informed former President Donald Trump that it would no longer seek his testimony and formally revoked its subpoena.

    "In light of the imminent end of our investigation, the Select Committee can no longer pursue the specific information covered by the subpoena," wrote committee chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., to Trump's lawyers, according to CNN. "Therefore, through this letter, I hereby formally withdraw the subpoena issued to former President Trump, and notify you that he is no longer obligated to comply or produce records in response to said subpoena."

    The committee has already published its final report and referred Trump to the Department of Justice for criminal prosecution. It further faces certain dissolution upon the Republican takeover of the House of Representatives next week. Many GOP lawmakers have derided the committee as a partisan farce.

    Trump celebrated the subpoena's cancellation on Truth Social, saying "[w]as just advised that the Unselect Committee of political Thugs has withdrawn the Subpoena of me concerning the January 6th Protest of the CROOKED 2020 Presidential Election."

    "They probably did so because they knew I did nothing wrong, or they were about to lose in Court. Perhaps the FBI's involvement in RIGGING the Election played into their decision. In any event, the Subpoena is DEAD!" he cheered.

    Though the committee had subpoenaed Trump in October, he did not comply and never testified. While the former president seemingly outlasted his critics on the committee, other supporters of Trump were not so lucky. Former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, for instance, defied a subpoena from the committee and was last sentenced to four months in prison for contempt of Congress. That sentence has been suspended pending his appeal.
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    Archbishop Vigano Calls on Faithful to Fast for Three Days for Jan 6 Political Prisoners – On January 3rd, 4th and 5th
    By Joe Hoft - Published January 1, 2023

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...january-3-4-5/





    Archbishop Vigano is calling on faithful Americans to fast for three days to support the Jan 6 political prisoners still held in the US jails and prisons.
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    The Most Ridiculous Political Witch-hunt in U.S. History
    OfficialDonaldJTrump2024 Published January 1, 2023

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    Kash Patel's testimony to the J6 committee was released today:

    https://january6th.house.gov/sites/d...od%20Patel.pdf
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    • Pelosi Just Got Caught RED HANDED!:

    Not just did she allow it, she provoked this entire mess. She is guilty of treason.
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    The Truth Factory produced a video summary of Jan 6th 2021


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    https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/...-f4sV5Vo_2GIhg

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    I was there. Antifa and feds were everywhere. I had a fed/military standing to my left and an Antifa plant to my right (occasionally yelling “storm the Capitol, which I got on video). Strange people moved through the crowd with strange equipment. Military types littered the tops of surrounding buildings. My friend and America Frontline Doctor attorney Mike Hamilton was also there and witnessed Antifa changing into Trump gear. It was both an amazing experience (the crowd size and sound was astonishing) and bizarre and I split before Trump even ended his speech because it was obvious to me something was really wrong. Trump offered no new info at all. The speech was a total dud. It just reeked of a setup.
    Fear is simply a consequence of a lack of information.

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    I was there. Antifa and feds were everywhere. I had a fed/military standing to my left and an Antifa plant to my right (occasionally yelling “storm the Capitol, which I got on video). Strange people moved through the crowd with strange equipment. Military types littered the tops of surrounding buildings. My friend and America Frontline Doctor attorney Mike Hamilton was also there and witnessed Antifa changing into Trump gear. It was both an amazing experience (the crowd size and sound was astonishing) and bizarre and I split before Trump even ended his speech because it was obvious to me something was really wrong. Trump offered no new info at all. The speech was a total dud. It just reeked of a setup.
    Thanks for sharing your direct personal experiences!!

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    I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. - Robert Anton Wilson

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    Mel K & Darren J. Beattie | America’s Color Revolution? The Facts on the Jan 6 Fedsurection | 1-6-22
    The Mel K Show - 49 minutes Posted Jan 7, 2023


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/IEXFyJwENll1/



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    Dr. Darren J. Beattie, Founder of Revolver News, is a former White House Speech Writer at the Trump Administration. He is a political theorist, scholar and now served as a board member at the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad appointed by President Donald J. Trump at the Biden administration.

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