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    Default Re: Why is Bill Gates buying so much farmland?

    Gates is being played and he can not see it. Powers greater than him are in effect.

    Wake up Gates!!! or you will die. and be quickly forgotten, as you should be.

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    Default Re: Why is Bill Gates buying so much farmland?

    In answer to the thread title because he's mentally unhinged, because he can and because he's probably been ordered to by human filth even filthier than himself.

    I loved the recent days long protest outside the Danish government. The one where irate citizens gathered in a large group outside their government building and banged kitchen pots and pans in protest non-stop for days until the parasites backed down.

    It begs the question. Why aren't a large 1000+ group of protesting American citizens not outside Gates' workplace or residence banging pots and pans non-stop until that parasite gets the message?

    Come on America, get your act together!

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    • Bill Gates Buying Up Huge Amount of Farmland While ‘Great Reset’ Tells Americans Future is No Private Property
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    Please don't kill the messenger. But I have read/heard Bill Gates and his wife Melinda were hung until dead in India in the year 2013 by the Indian Govt over his administration of vaccines that paralyzed and or killed thousands of the countries children. I learned this last year. The person- I cannot remember who exactly because I read so much info- also posted a clip from ancestry.com validating the deaths. I know this sounds unbelievable or maybe it is to some of you. Anyone who has membership in Ancestry.com could maybe check that info. If what I heard is correct, then we are being duped by a double, a clone or CGI. An empty suit.
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    Mike Adams has hit it on the head. (1) Buy up real land with worthless fiat money with your name on the deed and pay your land tax in advance, (2) Buy the land over natural resources which can be mined, quarried, farmed, etc. (3) Leave little or no farm land of any worth for anyone else and corner the market on food production. (4) Since you are into world genocide, withhold your land from production and/or grow poisonous GMO food to feed the human cattle. I thought Gates had been GITMOED for his crimes in India and Africa. If not, he is coming for you next.

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    Quote Posted by bettye198 (here)
    Please don't kill the messenger. But I have read/heard Bill Gates and his wife Melinda were hung until dead in India in the year 2013
    In the CIA jargon of Robert T. Crowley (see Gregory Douglas, Conversations with the Crow), this would translate as 'they bought the farm'.


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    • Bill Gates Buying Land & Feudalism (Slavery):
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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    Mike Adams has hit it on the head. (1) Buy up real land with worthless fiat money with your name on the deed and pay your land tax in advance, (2) Buy the land over natural resources which can be mined, quarried, farmed, etc. (3) Leave little or no farm land of any worth for anyone else and corner the market on food production. (4) Since you are into world genocide, withhold your land from production and/or grow poisonous GMO food to feed the human cattle. I thought Gates had been GITMOED for his crimes in India and Africa. If not, he is coming for you next.
    And isn't Gates one of the main investors in the Seed Vault?
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    It is worrying to have so much farmland all over the continent of the USA. In France, agricultural land melts like snow in the Sun for real estate construction and in comparison, France is a small country. In my opinion the 3rd world war has started, a social war, a psychological war, a war for the control of the population, the control with the digital currency, the control with a biotechnological food, the control with the programming of the births. . all this is possible now ...

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    Maybe he just wants to put up no trespasser signs.
    The plan being to confine people to cities where they can be easily managed-- controlled.
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    Bill Gates: America’s Top Farmland Owner
    Posted on January 11, 2021
    by Eric OKeefe
    https://landreport.com/2021/01/bill-...armland-owner/


    "The co-founder of Microsoft and his wife rank as America’s largest private farmland owners.
    Call it a hunch, but the story did not jibe. I scanned the headline for the umpteenth time and then read and reread the pertinent details. Something was missing. Either that or I had a screw loose. According to the Tri-City Herald, a 14,500-acre swath of choice Eastern Washington farmland in the Horse Heaven Hills of Benton County had just traded hands for almost $171 million. That’s a ginormous deal, one that pencils out to almost $12,000 per acre for a whole lot of acres. Pretty pricey dirt, right? That’s exactly what I thought. Especially when it comes to row crops like sweet corn and wheat, which were grown in rotation with potatoes on 100 Circles, which is the name of the property that changed hands. Then again, farmers and investors in the Mid-Columbia River market expect to pay $10,000 to $15,000 for good ground. Anyone who has ever studied the Columbia River Basin knows that the tillable acreage there is coveted ground, a geologic wonder. The soil profile and underlying silty loess are in a league of their own.

    I had gained this smidgen of geologic proficiency while researching our 2018 Farmland Deal of the Year, Weidert Farm, in neighboring Walla Walla County. One of the most telling moments in the field that summer came when a soil scientist by the name of Alan Busacca grabbed a shovel and stepped into a 10-foot trench that had been ripped open on the farm by a Caterpillar 336. Dusky layers of silt and sand towered over the 6-foot-tall retired Washington State professor. There wasn’t a rock, let alone a pebble, or even a root to be seen in the soil. Busacca was in his element: It was some of the richest farmland in the Lower 48. And from an agricultural perspective, the region surrounding Walla Walla and the Horse Heaven Hills has evolved into a commercial hub, complete with controlled atmosphere (CA) storage, state-of-the-art transportation infrastructure, and ready access to low-cost hydropower.

    These are a few of the reasons why savvy investors have been plowing millions of dollars into farmland on both the Oregon and the Washington sides of the Columbia River Gorge. At current valuations, it’s one of the nation’s best farmland opportunities. In 2018, when 100 Circles sold, it was even better.

    More often than not, farmland sales involve hundreds of acres. Thousand-acre transactions — such as the sale of 6,000- acre Weidert Farm to Farmland L.P. two years ago and the 6,175-acre Broetje Orchards acquisition by the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan last year — are blue-moon events.

    Tens of thousands of acres? Only sovereign wealth funds and institutional investors can stroke a check for tracts in that league, which is exactly what occurred on the sell side of the 100 Circles transaction: The seller was John Hancock Life Insurance, a multibillion-dollar asset manager with key holdings in all the major US markets as well as Canada and Australia.

    The story went dark on the buy side, however. The Tri-City Herald reported that the purchaser was a “Louisiana investor,” a limited liability company associated with Angelina Agriculture of Monterey, Louisiana. Sorry, but that didn’t pass the sniff test.

    The Land Report tracks numerous Louisiana landowners; Angelina Agriculture is not one of them. Let’s call that strike one. The burgeoning metropolis of Monterey, population 462, rang a bell, but despite my best efforts, I couldn’t connect the dots to anyone whom we had profiled in The Land Report or, for that matter, anyone who was on our watch list. So I took a look at Dun & Bradstreet. At its listed headquarters — 8318 Highway 565 — Angelina Agriculture boasted two employees and reported annual revenues just north of $300,000. Given the size and cost of 100 Circles, both of those figures made no sense at all. Strike two. How about Google Maps? An aerial image of the Highway 565 address revealed a small metal-sided building off by itself in the woods. Strike three, right?

    One of my favorite Clint Eastwood movies is the 1999 mystery/thriller True Crime. In it, the four-time Academy Award winner plays an over-the-hill journalist who has “a nose” for a story. I am quite confident that Eastwood’s character, Steve Everett, would have picked up the stench from this setup a mile off: a $171 million acquisition by an LLC with two employees in a metal-sided building down a dirt road off the Bayou Teche? I forwarded the lead to our Land Report 100 Research Team. Minutes later, a terse response arrived:

    “Ever hear of Bill Gates?”



    THE PROMISED LAND | Farmland in Eastern Washington and neighboring Oregon is blessed with abundant moisture, cheap electricity, and unrivaled soils.

    THE PAPER TRAIL
    Actually, when it comes to the extensive farmland portfolio of Bill and Melinda Gates, the question should be, “Ever hear of Michael Larson?” For the last 25 years, the Claremont McKenna College alum has managed the Gateses’ personal portfolio as well as the considerable holdings of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. (Although our researchers identified dozens of different entities that own the Gateses’ assets, Larson himself operates primarily through an entity called Cascade Investment LLC.)

    In 1994, the Gateses hired the former Putnam Investments bond-fund manager to diversify the couple’s portfolio away from the Microsoft co-founder’s 45 percent stake in the technology giant while maintaining comparable or better returns. According to a 2014 profile of Larson in the Wall Street Journal, these investments include a substantial stake in AutoNation, hospitality interests such as the Charles Hotel in Cambridge and the Four Seasons in San Francisco, and “at least 100,000 acres of farmland in California, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, and other states … .” According to the Land Report 100 Research Team, that figure is currently more than twice that amount, which means Bill Gates, co-founder of Microsoft, has an alter ego: Farmer Bill, the guy who owns more farmland than anyone else in America.

    The Gateses’ largest single block of dirt was acquired in 2017: a group of farmland assets owned by the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board. Based in Toronto, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board began assembling an agricultural portfolio in 2013, when it acquired AgCoA, aka, Agricultural Company of America. This private US farmland REIT was a joint venture between Duquesne Capital Management and Goldman Sachs that launched in 2007. Over the next five years, AgCoA acquired more than 100,000 acres in nine states. By the time it was sold to the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board in 2013, AgCoA ranked as one of the leading institutional owners of row crop farmland in the US.

    After AgCoA, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board acquired a second tranche of farmland assets when it paid $2.5 billion for a 40 percent stake in Glencore Agricultural Products in 2016. The very next year, however, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board began shedding these very same farmland assets as quickly as it had acquired them. And it did this so quietly one might even say it was done in secret.

    There was no public announcement, and no notice in the business press. Instead, the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board revealed in the fine print of a quarterly statement that it had sold $520 million in US farmland assets held by Agriculture Company of America. Credit Chris Janiec at Agri Investor for this eagle-eyed investigating. The Americas Editor at Agri Investor, Janiec reported that the assets had been offered as a single block and “that Microsoft founder Bill Gates is thought to be the buyer of CPPIB’s farmland.” Janiec stayed on the story, and the following year, he confirmed the parameters of sale when he reported the addition of 61 properties valued at approximately $500 million to the National Council of Real Estate Investment Fiduciaries’ (NCREIF) US Farmland Index. This half-billion-dollar figure corroborated the AgCoA acquisition, and the paper trail led directly to Cascade Investment LLC.

    All told, the 2017 acquisition of AgCoA and the 2018 acquisition of the 100 Circles tract in the Horse Heaven Hills of Eastern Washington total an investment in farmland assets of more than $690 million. Janiec’s sources said some of the AgCoA assets were quickly sold off, but according to the Land Report 100 Research Team, an estimated 242,000 acres of farmland remained.

    Yet farmland assets aren’t the sole component of the Gateses’ landholdings. In 2017, Cascade Investment bought a “significant stake” in 24,800 acres of transitional land on the western edge of Phoenix, the most populous city in Arizona and the 10th largest metropolitan area in the country. The acreage sits off Interstate 10, and it is poised to be accessible by Interstate 11, a proposed highway that would traverse 5 miles of the 40-square-mile holding. At buildout, the Belmont development will create a brand-new metropolis, one similar in size to the Phoenix suburb of Tempe, home to Arizona State University and almost 200,000 residents. According to The Arizona Republic, Belmont is projected to include up to 80,000 homes; 3,800 acres of industrial, office, and retail space; 3,400 acres of open space; and 470 acres for public schools.

    Cascade Investment doubled down on Phoenix transitional land two years later when it made a second major investment by acquiring more than 2,800 acres known as Spurlock Ranch in Buckeye for $25 million.



    SUSTAINABLE INVESTING
    A spokesman for Cascade Investment declined to comment on any of the details associated with these transactions or the Gateses’ holdings, other than to say that Cascade is very supportive of sustainable farming.

    Much like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation uses science and technology to achieve a number of worthy goals — including transitioning millions of people out of poverty, improving people’s health and well-being, and ensuring that all people have access to opportunities necessary to succeed in school and in life — Cascade’s farmland holdings also aim to further laudable objectives.

    In January 2020, The Land Report announced the launch of a sustainability standard that was developed by US farmland owners and operators. Called Leading Harvest, the organization’s goal is to create a sustainability standard thatcan be implemented across the greatest swath of agricultural acreage. Currently, more than 2 million acres in 22 states and an additional 2 million acres in seven countries are represented. Among the participants in the 13-member Sustainable Agriculture Working Group are Ceres Partners, Hancock Natural Resources Group, The Rohaytn Group, and UBS Farmland Investors.

    Not surprisingly, one of Leading Harvest’s other inaugural members is a Cascade entity called Cottonwood Ag Management. Committing the resources to launch this all-important standard validates the assertion that Cascade supports sustainable strategies that advance resiliency and efficiency, retain talent, and reduce regulatory burdens.

    Although the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has no ties whatsoever to Cascade or its investments, it also has a farmland initiative: Gates Ag One, which has established its headquarters in the Greater St. Louis area. According to the St. Louis Business Journal, Gates Ag One will focus on research that helps “smallholder farmers adapt to climate change and make food production in low- and middle-income countries more productive, resilient, and sustainable.”

    A CLOSING NOTE
    Remember that metal-sided building down near the Bayou Teche? Turns out that very same property had caught my eye way back when The Land Report was preparing to launch in 2006. Does the name Bernie Ebbers ring a bell? Once upon a time, the business press dubbed the colorful entrepreneur “the telecom cowboy.” That was before the Edmonton native was put on trial for his role in what was, at the time, the largest corporate bankruptcy filing in US history.

    In 2005, the former WorldCom CEO was convicted of securities fraud, conspiracy, and filing false reports that were instrumental in WorldCom’s $11 billion dollar accounting fraud. After losing his appeal in 2006, Ebbers spent most of the rest of his life in a federal prison before being granted compassionate release by a federal judge earlier this year. He died on February 2 surrounded by his family.

    Ebbers was many things — a dreamer, a liar, a swindler — and he loved land. In 1998 when he was the toast of Wall Street, the telecom cowboy paid British Columbia’s Woodward family the astronomical sum of $73 million for Canada’s largest ranch: 500,000-acre Douglas Lake, a 22,000-head cattle operation. Ebbers subsequently pledged Douglas Lake as collateral for $400 million he ended up borrowing from WorldCom, and in 2003, WorldCom sold Douglas Lake to Kroenke Ranches. The $68.5 million that Kroenke Ranches paid was applied to Ebbers’s IOU. He also owned a 26,236-acre Louisiana farm. It, too, was sold, on September 25, 2006, the day before Ebbers began serving his sentence at the Oakdale Federal Correctional Institution. It was his last deal as a free man.

    When Ebbers owned this Louisiana farm, it was known as Angelina Plantation. And its headquarters was in — you guessed it — Monterey, Louisiana. That was the missing piece of the puzzle I had been searching for as I read the Tri-City Herald story. In a former life, Angelina Agriculture, the purchaser that paid $171 million for 100 Circles in 2018, was, in fact, Bernie Ebbers’s Angelina Plantation. The day before he went to prison, Ebbers sold Angelina for $32 million. The farm was subsequently sold to AgCoA, which was acquired by the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board. In 2017, Angelina Plantation changed hands one more time and became one of the principal farmland assets in the Gateses’ Cascade Investment’s portfolio.

    It took a dozen years, but the ownership of that Louisiana farmland went from Bernie Ebbers to Bill Gates with a couple of stops in between. I readily admit forgetting where and when I first caught wind of it, but the moment I read that Tri-City Herald story, I knew the ending definitely needed a rewrite. Steve Everett would be proud.

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    Default Re: Why is Bill Gates buying so much farmland?

    Quote Posted by Constance (here)
    Just for perspective

    https://herdsy.com/the-5-biggest-farms-in-world/

    The 5 Biggest Farms in The World

    1 Mudanjiang City Mega Farm, Heilongjiang, China 22,500,000 acres
    2 Modern Dairy, Anhui, China 11,000,000 acres
    3 Anna Creek, South Australia, Australia 6,000,000 acres
    4 Clifton Hills, South Australia, Australia 4,200,000 acres
    5 Alexandria, Northern Territory, Australia 4,000,000 acres
    Been to #3 plenty of times as a kid on school trips. I'm guessing I only explored 0.001% of it
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    Default Re: Why is Bill Gates buying so much farmland?

    Digital Vaccines: Behavior Modification To Fuel Cybernetic Transformation

    This is a good presentation.
    Why Gates is buying land starts at around 39 mins.....

    Interesting that they are modifying bees to a GMO and chemical world.
    They also want to modify our gut biome, the key to health and how we resonate with nature.

    Difficult to comprehend for some but I have experienced some of this technology.
    Something to remember, where there is great darkness there is always great light.





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    The largest landlord in Thailand (Sirivadhanabhakdi family) has 249.082 acres (1.007999091 km2) of land and Thailand is a relatively small country (total area: 513,120 km2). In US it is almost insignificant.
    The British Commonwealth is the legal owner of 2.700.000 km2 (if I am not wrong it includes a great part of Canada).
    The catholic church has 716.000 km2.
    Gina Rinehart has about 97.000 km2 in Australia, she the largest individual owning private land on the planet.
    Bill Gates still have a long way to get there.

    When authority decide that certain area does not belong to the indigenous people living there, they quickly take advantage of it and end up selling for the best bid. It is very controversial subject, specially when land were took by force from the people living there, Patagonia in Argentina comes to mind.
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    Hi Palehorse,

    The above video at 39mins states Bill Gates is now one of the leading individual land owners in the United States.

    Displacement of people from the land is part of agenda 21, Alison McDowell briefly explains this.

    What is Bill Gates going to grow?

    Alison McDowell states that Gates has developed an agricultural innovation research group called Gates AG 1 that is targeting Africa and South Asia.

    The aim?

    Lab food. Bio printed food.

    Using Covid 19 to reset us all with one branch of the reset to reset our food.
    We are being re engineered.
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    Thanks for the video Zirconian, couldn't expect anything else coming from so called "eugenicist" Gates.

    I do not know in South Asia how property ownership works, but in most countries of Southeast Asia, the individual foreign are not allowed to have ownership on any type of surface (land and water), but there is ways to acquire land surface via companies though. But since we live in a double tier society (poor and wealth), money and influence/power resolves any problem and common laws does not apply to them anyway.

    I don't see how it will affect those living off in the land or in self sustainable communities, if we are forced to abide to the new systems at a gun point or treat of arrest then that would be questionable by a large number of people living in the rural areas world wide.

    I heard the government was rising property land taxes in some countries and a good lot of farmers was struggling with that, India if I am not wrong, maybe this is one way to displace folks from their lands, another way is denying access to markets, apply new regulations, etc etc.. that would make their business impossible to sustain itself.. hence farmers selling their lands and moving to great centers to become modern slaves.. but these farmers are not really off-grid community or individuals they got caught in bad business, but they can't see that, some does but maybe it is too late.

    Let's see what will happen, I believe at some point those who managed to survive off-grid will just keep living their lives isolated in pockets here and there without taking part in this new society of freaks, but if even living life like this will not be allowed anymore, then what, surrender or die?

    Death before dishonor, I born as a human being and I will keep that way until last breath. I do not consent with all this BS.
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    I do think we should all be growing our own food in the light of the aforementioned information.

    As for the Indian farmers, it has gone something like this:

    Interesting that the government has caved on two demands (only two) after 5 months of protesting! A small victory but the farmers have stuck together to try defeat a very dark agenda (though they are probably not aware of how dark),as outlined in the video on my previous post.



    Thousands of India’s farmers have set up camp in Delhi.

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    In November 2020, thousands of farmers marched from the northern states of India to Delhi to protest farming reforms passed by Prime Minister Modi’s government. Those protests have continued throughout the month of December and show little sign of letting up. The farmers have set up camp in and around the capital city to pressure the government to repeal the laws, but the government won’t budge.

    The government says these new laws will modernize farming by liberalizing the industry, but India’s farmers say it will be their downfall. Under these new policies, farmers will have fewer government protections and will likely lose the government-regulated markets and prices they have relied on for decades.

    To make matters even more difficult, all this is happening as India’s farmers grapple with a shrinking share of the economy that has contributed to a suicide crisis around the country.

    To understand the three farming reforms and why they have driven so many farmers into the streets, as well as the history behind the problems farmers have been facing for decades, watch the video above.

    Sources and further reading:

    If you want to read the three laws behind the protests, issued in late September, you can find them here:
    https://ruralindiaonline.org/library/...

    For a deep dive into "mandis," or India’s regulated whole markets, check out the report “Understanding Mandis: Market Towns and the Dynamics of India’s Rural and Urban Transformations” by Mekhala Krishnamurthy:
    https://casi.sas.upenn.edu/sites/defa...

    Here, you can explore data that shows the impact of the farming reforms on the whole markets since they were announced in June 2020:
    https://agmarknet.gov.in/SearchCmmMkt...

    To learn more about the “Green Revolution” and the impact it had on India and its agriculture, check out this detailed report by the Journal of Ethnic Foods:
    https://journalofethnicfoods.biomedce...

    If you want to explore India’s agricultural economy in relation to the country’s GDP over time, check out this data from the World Bank:
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...

    Here is some more data compiled by the Government of India on India’s farmer suicide crisis:
    https://ncrb.gov.in/sites/default/fil...

    And a link to international suicide hotline numbers: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicid...



    More background from Wiki

    2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest

    Date 9 August 2020[1] – present
    (5 months, 2 weeks and 1 day)
    Location India
    Caused by
    Passing of three Farm Bills by Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha

    Goals

    Revocation of all the three Farm Bills
    Legally ensure minimum support price
    (see section Demands for more details)

    Methods

    Gherao
    Dharna
    Raasta roko
    Demonstration
    Suicide

    Status Ongoing
    Parties to the civil conflict

    Government of India

    Ministry of Agriculture & Farmers' Welfare

    Supported by:
    Bharatiya Janata Party


    Samyukt Kisan Morcha

    All India Kisan Sangharsh Coordination Committee
    Bharatiya Kisan Union
    Kisan Swaraj Sangathan farmers organisation
    All India Kisan Sabha
    Jai Kisan Andolan
    Lok Sangharsh Morcha
    All India Krishak Khet Majdoor Sangathan
    National Alliance of People's Movements
    Other farmer's unions

    Supported by:
    Shiromani Akali Dal
    Indian National Congress
    Aam Aadmi Party
    Communist Party of India
    Communist Party of India (Marxist)
    Rashtriya Loktantrik Party
    Shiv Sena
    Number

    Unverified
    Casualties and losses

    Over 120 dead since 15 September 2020, including 4 suicides, hundreds injured
    (see section Fatalities for more details)
    Infrastructure damage:
    National highways dug up by police to stop protestors from marching to capital[2]
    Over 1,500 telecom tower sites damaged (as of 28 Dec)[3][4]

    The 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest is an ongoing protest against the three farm acts which were passed by the Parliament of India in September 2020. Farmer unions and their representatives have demanded that the laws be repealed and will not accept anything short of it.[5][6][7][8] Farm leaders have rejected a Supreme Court of India stay order on the farm laws as well as the involvement of a Supreme Court appointed committee.[9] Nine rounds of talks have taken place between the central government and farmers represented by the farm unions between 14 October 2020 and 15 January 2021; all were inconclusive.[10][11]

    The acts have been described as "anti-farmer laws" by many farmer unions,[12][13] and politicians from the opposition also say it would leave farmers at the "mercy of corporates".[14][15] The farmers have also requested for the creation of an MSP bill, to ensure that corporates can not control prices. The government, however, maintains that they will make it effortless for farmers to sell their produce directly to big buyers, and stated that the protests are based on misinformation.[16][17][18]

    Soon after the acts were introduced, unions began holding local protests, mostly in Punjab. After two months of protests, farmer unions—notably from Punjab and Haryana—began a movement named Dilhi Chalo (transl. Let's go to Delhi), in which tens of thousands of farming union members marched towards the nation's capital. The Indian government ordered the police and law enforcement of various states to attack the farmer unions using water cannons, batons, and tear gas to prevent the farmer unions from entering into Haryana first and then Delhi. On 26 November a nationwide general strike that involved approximately 250 million people took place in support of the farmer unions.[19] On 30 November, it was estimated that between 200,000 and 300,000 farmers were converging at various border points on the way to Delhi.[20]

    A section of farmer unions have been protesting, whereas the Indian Government claims some unions have come out in support of the farm laws.[21][22] Transport unions representing over 14 million trucker drivers have come out in support of the farmer unions, threatening to halt movement of supplies in certain states.[23] After the government did not accept the farmer unions' demands during talks on 4 December, the farmer unions planned to escalate the action to another India-wide strike on 8 December 2020. The government offered some amendments in laws, but unions are asking to repeal the laws.[24] From 12 December, farmer unions took over highway toll plazas in Haryana and allowed free movement of vehicles.[25]

    By mid December, the Supreme Court of India had received a batch of petitions related to removing blockades created by protesters around Delhi.[26][27] The court also asked the government to put the laws on hold, which they refused.[28] On 4 January 2021 the court registered the first plea filed in favour of the protesting farmers.[29] Farmers have said they will not listen to the courts if told to back off.[30] Their leaders have also said that staying the farm laws is not a solution.[31]

    On 30 December, the Indian Government agreed to two of the farmers' demands; excluding farmers from new pollution laws and dropping amendments to the new Electricity Ordinance.[32]
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    Quote Posted by scotslad (here)
    So, Bill Gates has been revealed as the biggest private owner of farmland in the US, after buying up 242,000 acres in 18 states and now apparently with a net worth of $121billion.

    ...Any interesting planning applications submitted yet across the states?
    Well I think there is no need to have some sinister plan. Land holds value, it is nice to have space, and easier to preserve land when you own it. Plus why not to spend it when you dont ever need to worry running out of money?

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    I don't think you really understand who eugenicist and transhumanist Bill Gates really is.
    See:https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...on-gm-monsanto
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/olivier...h=4c2993eb65c6
    and
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/olivier...h=4c2993eb65c6
    and

    Meet Bill Gates
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    TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: https://www.corbettreport.com/gates

    "There can be no doubt that Bill Gates has worn many hats on his remarkable journey from his early life as the privileged son of a Seattle-area power couple to his current status as one of the richest and most influential people on the planet. But, as we have seen in our exploration of Gates' rise as unelected global health czar and population control advocate, the question of who Bill Gates really is is no mere philosophical pursuit. Today we will attempt to answer that question as we examine the motives, the ideology, and the connections of this man who has been so instrumental in shaping the post-coronavirus world."

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    Well I think there is no need to have some sinister plan. Land holds value, it is nice to have space, and easier to preserve land when you own it. Plus why not to spend it when you don't ever need to worry running out of money?
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    Quote Posted by Zirconian (here)
    I do think we should all be growing our own food in the light of the aforementioned information.

    As for the Indian farmers, it has gone something like this:

    Interesting that the government has caved on two demands (only two) after 5 months of protesting! A small victory but the farmers have stuck together to try defeat a very dark agenda (though they are probably not aware of how dark),as outlined in the video on my previous post.



    Thousands of India’s farmers have set up camp in Delhi.

    Subscribe to our channel! http://goo.gl/0bsAjO

    In November 2020, thousands of farmers marched from the northern states of India to Delhi to protest farming reforms passed by Prime Minister Modi’s government. Those protests have continued throughout the month of December and show little sign of letting up. The farmers have set up camp in and around the capital city to pressure the government to repeal the laws, but the government won’t budge.

    The government says these new laws will modernize farming by liberalizing the industry, but India’s farmers say it will be their downfall. Under these new policies, farmers will have fewer government protections and will likely lose the government-regulated markets and prices they have relied on for decades.

    To make matters even more difficult, all this is happening as India’s farmers grapple with a shrinking share of the economy that has contributed to a suicide crisis around the country.

    To understand the three farming reforms and why they have driven so many farmers into the streets, as well as the history behind the problems farmers have been facing for decades, watch the video above.

    Sources and further reading:

    If you want to read the three laws behind the protests, issued in late September, you can find them here:
    https://ruralindiaonline.org/library/...

    For a deep dive into "mandis," or India’s regulated whole markets, check out the report “Understanding Mandis: Market Towns and the Dynamics of India’s Rural and Urban Transformations” by Mekhala Krishnamurthy:
    https://casi.sas.upenn.edu/sites/defa...

    Here, you can explore data that shows the impact of the farming reforms on the whole markets since they were announced in June 2020:
    https://agmarknet.gov.in/SearchCmmMkt...

    To learn more about the “Green Revolution” and the impact it had on India and its agriculture, check out this detailed report by the Journal of Ethnic Foods:
    https://journalofethnicfoods.biomedce...

    If you want to explore India’s agricultural economy in relation to the country’s GDP over time, check out this data from the World Bank:
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...

    Here is some more data compiled by the Government of India on India’s farmer suicide crisis:
    https://ncrb.gov.in/sites/default/fil...

    And a link to international suicide hotline numbers: https://www.opencounseling.com/suicid...



    More background from Wiki

    2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest

    Date 9 August 2020[1] – present
    (5 months, 2 weeks and 1 day)
    Location India
    Caused by
    Passing of three Farm Bills by Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha

    Goals

    Revocation of all the three Farm Bills
    Legally ensure minimum support price
    (see section Demands for more details)

    Methods

    Gherao
    Dharna
    Raasta roko
    Demonstration
    Suicide

    Status Ongoing
    Parties to the civil conflict

    Government of India

    Ministry of Agriculture & Farmers' Welfare

    Supported by:
    Bharatiya Janata Party


    Samyukt Kisan Morcha

    All India Kisan Sangharsh Coordination Committee
    Bharatiya Kisan Union
    Kisan Swaraj Sangathan farmers organisation
    All India Kisan Sabha
    Jai Kisan Andolan
    Lok Sangharsh Morcha
    All India Krishak Khet Majdoor Sangathan
    National Alliance of People's Movements
    Other farmer's unions

    Supported by:
    Shiromani Akali Dal
    Indian National Congress
    Aam Aadmi Party
    Communist Party of India
    Communist Party of India (Marxist)
    Rashtriya Loktantrik Party
    Shiv Sena
    Number

    Unverified
    Casualties and losses

    Over 120 dead since 15 September 2020, including 4 suicides, hundreds injured
    (see section Fatalities for more details)
    Infrastructure damage:
    National highways dug up by police to stop protestors from marching to capital[2]
    Over 1,500 telecom tower sites damaged (as of 28 Dec)[3][4]

    The 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest is an ongoing protest against the three farm acts which were passed by the Parliament of India in September 2020. Farmer unions and their representatives have demanded that the laws be repealed and will not accept anything short of it.[5][6][7][8] Farm leaders have rejected a Supreme Court of India stay order on the farm laws as well as the involvement of a Supreme Court appointed committee.[9] Nine rounds of talks have taken place between the central government and farmers represented by the farm unions between 14 October 2020 and 15 January 2021; all were inconclusive.[10][11]

    The acts have been described as "anti-farmer laws" by many farmer unions,[12][13] and politicians from the opposition also say it would leave farmers at the "mercy of corporates".[14][15] The farmers have also requested for the creation of an MSP bill, to ensure that corporates can not control prices. The government, however, maintains that they will make it effortless for farmers to sell their produce directly to big buyers, and stated that the protests are based on misinformation.[16][17][18]

    Soon after the acts were introduced, unions began holding local protests, mostly in Punjab. After two months of protests, farmer unions—notably from Punjab and Haryana—began a movement named Dilhi Chalo (transl. Let's go to Delhi), in which tens of thousands of farming union members marched towards the nation's capital. The Indian government ordered the police and law enforcement of various states to attack the farmer unions using water cannons, batons, and tear gas to prevent the farmer unions from entering into Haryana first and then Delhi. On 26 November a nationwide general strike that involved approximately 250 million people took place in support of the farmer unions.[19] On 30 November, it was estimated that between 200,000 and 300,000 farmers were converging at various border points on the way to Delhi.[20]

    A section of farmer unions have been protesting, whereas the Indian Government claims some unions have come out in support of the farm laws.[21][22] Transport unions representing over 14 million trucker drivers have come out in support of the farmer unions, threatening to halt movement of supplies in certain states.[23] After the government did not accept the farmer unions' demands during talks on 4 December, the farmer unions planned to escalate the action to another India-wide strike on 8 December 2020. The government offered some amendments in laws, but unions are asking to repeal the laws.[24] From 12 December, farmer unions took over highway toll plazas in Haryana and allowed free movement of vehicles.[25]

    By mid December, the Supreme Court of India had received a batch of petitions related to removing blockades created by protesters around Delhi.[26][27] The court also asked the government to put the laws on hold, which they refused.[28] On 4 January 2021 the court registered the first plea filed in favour of the protesting farmers.[29] Farmers have said they will not listen to the courts if told to back off.[30] Their leaders have also said that staying the farm laws is not a solution.[31]

    On 30 December, the Indian Government agreed to two of the farmers' demands; excluding farmers from new pollution laws and dropping amendments to the new Electricity Ordinance.[32]
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    The crowd is quite impressive, as I said they got caught in bad business, most of these farmers are trapped into the system, the government make promises and they believe, I could say the system is almost the same in Thailand, at least with the rice scheme which they are one of the biggest exporters in the world. Long time ago, His Majesty the King Bhumibol he himself created a program to help the small hold farmers to overcome poverty with variety, basically it teaches the farmers to not put all their eggs in only one basket, but diversify planting varieties of crops, have a pond for fish, raise chickens, have fruits, and son on.. the project was a success no doubt, those who refused to listen still struggling with the reality of planting a mono culture and expecting profit from it, only the major ones can profit from mono cultures, the small ones should diversify always.
    Essentially cutting the "middle man" and stop selling to the farmers market and start selling to the local market is the best real option, boycott the government system, let the system starve.
    I see rice farms here that became beautiful orchards and start producing all sort of fruits and flowers, there is market, but people has to be able to change their mindset, fight against the government can be pointless a time consuming, however people in India had some success, but that happen because they STOP working, and nobody was making money. Kudos for them, this take a lot of courage specially in a country like India where they treat their own people like dogs or worse than that.
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