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    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    A mother's "love" - not pretty:
    'After eggs hatch, Stegodyphus lineatus stops eating and vomits 40% of internal guts onto own face, allowing spiderlings to feast on the mixture. Once thatís gone, spiderlings pierce her abdomen and consume what is left until she dies.'.
    Thanks for posting Jill.

    I visit the Animals are Magical thread from time to time and do think about animals.

    I think a lot about insects for some strange reason, probably because I have quite a lot in my house!

    So where do you folks draw the line?
    Do you also think insects are magical?

    How about spiders?

    How about mealy bugs?

    How about centipedes?

    How about ear wigs?

    How about mosquitoes?

    Do you show all of those animals mercy? Be honest?
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 22nd January 2021 at 23:04. Reason: added needed context for this new discussion thread

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

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    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    A mother's "love" - not pretty:
    'After eggs hatch, Stegodyphus lineatus stops eating and vomits 40% of internal guts onto own face, allowing spiderlings to feast on the mixture. Once thatís gone, spiderlings pierce her abdomen and consume what is left until she dies.'.
    Thanks for posting Jill.

    I visit this thread from time to time and do think about animals.

    I think a lot about insects for some strange reason, probably because I have quite a lot in my house!

    So where do you folks draw the line?
    Do you also think insects are magical?

    How about spiders?

    How about mealy bugs?

    How about centipedes?

    How about ear wigs?

    How about mosquitoes?

    Do you show all of those animals mercy? Be honest?
    Yes, I do (personally). I go to enormous lengths sometimes to rescue even the tiniest insects from my very old house, which is quite some ecosystem all of its own.

    I have a live trap for mice, and go to some trouble to relocate them a couple of miles away in the best local mouse-friendly natural habitat I can find, far away from any houses or other animals.

    And yes, I think all animals are magical. Whatever they are. Try making one yourself from a bunch of dirt. I bet you can't.

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    I leave all the spiders in my house alone. Since winter started, there are quite a few (well not a large amount but some). But there's also some ants and some earwigs that have come in avoiding the cold ... because I leave the spiders alone, I don't need to kill the ants and the earwigs, and their populations stay in balance - after the spiders eat all the ants and earwigs, then their numbers dwindle from lack of food. I don't have to kill anything.

    I have a bit of a strange affinity for spiders, not sure why. Particularly jumping spiders - they are one of the very few "bugs" that have human awareness. Praying mantises also fit into that category. Basically it means they recognize humans as a creature and will maintain eye contact with you.
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I don't like killing any animals, even insects.
    I can manage to relocate most insects outside, but I draw the line with mosquitoes.
    For some strange reason I don't show mercy with them. Not sure why.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    A spider in the bathroom is your friend

    Two is a crowd

    And then there are those insects

    Who Shall Not Be Named

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I have read that there are approximately 10 quintillion insects in the world (that's got to be a guesstimate!) and I have a kind of morbid fascination with them - I don't feel particularly attracted to them in a fuzzy kind of way but their "behaviour" and "purpose" is interesting. They are living creatures and I do respect them for that and would not harm them intentionally but I also have an underlying fear for some of them and am repulsed by some of their habits.
    I notice that its becoming trendy to keep South American jumping spiders as pets and they are now being presented as something cute - I personally don't get it and I'm pretty sure those spiders don't get it either. They certainly deserve our respect - if they were just a little bit bigger, they'd be taking over the world and probably be posing the same questions about us.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    All creatures, great and small are alike to me because they are just me in another form and they all have their purpose in this world. If a mosquito is in the midst of biting me, I will pull it out gently and release it.

    I find it delightful that elephants will blow a path with its trunk so that they don't step on ants.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I remember as a child taking care of a fly , brought back upside down with ice catching its wings, in my balcony. As I watched it little legs move slower and slower , I asked mom, what to give it so it can survive ?. so I put suger next to the fly.
    but it didn't help, it died, and parts in me died. I cryed for a week for that fly on my balcony.


    I know it sounds stupid, well thats why I like this forum so much.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Clifford Stone tells a similar story about a bird

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    I accidentally killed a baby frog once when I was a kid while trying to take care of it. I was totally devastated. Destroyed inside.

    But several years later I found a baby robin that had fallen or was pushed out of the nest and raised it. So I guess I balanced it out.
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    Oh, I can so relate to some of the feelings shared in these stories! When I was a small girl, I once saw a rather scary looking beetle struggling in a puddle. I immediately looked for a twig or leaf to fish it out and rescue it, but couldn't see one quickly, so saw no option but to offer it my finger instead. It managed to grab hold of that alright, and then gave me a pretty painful bite or sting as a thank you. But it was saved!

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I too try to same the insects, I always rescue them when they fall into the pool. I also rescue bugs that might hitch a ride into the house. They are God's creatures, and deserve to live. I do feed the birds so in turn they take care of a lot of the mosquitos out and about, as my backyard is full of birds.

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    This salamander type is called 'Pega Pega'. Pega means sticky or glue in our local language Papiamento (and Spanish too I believe).
    They can be annoying if you have them inside the house because from time to time they can make terrible squeaky noises (even at night).
    On the other hand they eat all kinds of insects and that makes them useful too.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)

    I visit the Animals are Magical thread from time to time and do think about animals.

    I think a lot about insects for some strange reason, probably because I have quite a lot in my house!

    So where do you folks draw the line?
    Do you also think insects are magical?

    How about spiders?

    How about mealy bugs?

    How about centipedes?

    How about ear wigs?
    Yes, even the lowly earwig is magical. Especially when it's wings pop out from no where - an amazing technological feat!


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    I don't like killing any animals, they are all magical to me.

    I remember, years ago me and my other half were on holiday at an eco resort in Thailand. It was quite a long way to get to the main road and when we went for an evening meal outside of the hotel we had to take a walk along this narrow path which was lighted and there were always these huge bugs, don't know what type they were because I've never seen any like them in Europe, but many of them came near the lights and somehow managed to fall on their backs. We kept seeing them trying to get back up but they could make it on their own.We kept turning them over again so they could move on.
    There were lots of them around so it became a happy pastime to rescue them.

    I don't like to see any animal suffer, no matter what kind of an animal it is.

    We still have fond memories of rescuing the odd mouse or two that my cat used to bring in occasionally. She wouldn't eat it anyway, just "play" with it and I couldn't let her do it, just found it too cruel. I bought her some toy mice from the petstore every now and then and she loved shredding them completely.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I call it the catch and release program. In the fall it's the invasion of the lady bugs every time I open my screen door. With a little nudge, they drop into a dixie cup and I set them free.

    A few manage to vacation through the winter months marching to and fro on the windows on the sunny side of my place. I explain that it's too soon. Be patient. They prefer lettuce over kale. They aren't big eaters. And the little critters do not like it when I coax them towards a tiny puddle of water to rehydrate. When spring comes, one by one I ceremoniously set them free and invite them back in the fall.

    The catch and release program is different for flies, hornets and wasps. I use a moist paper towel to gently scoop them up and send them on their way. I silently express, ďI promise to be gentle and set you free if you work with me, otherwise it ainít going to go well for you. Deal?Ē They are cooperative 99% of the time.

    Alas, mosquitos, mosquitos, mosquitos go splat when Iím going off to sleep.

    A few years ago, I had a problem with mice because I didn't think to tightly seal up the bird seed bags. I woke to one of the little guys scurrying around, having a hi-ho party inside one of them. Not only did they take up residence in my place, they made a home in the car air filter. It cost me some $. Iíve since purchased a large seal tight bin for the seed.

    I researched a perfect solution for both my car and home to keep them away. They are repelled by the smell of peppermint oil. I drop several cotton balls in a mason jar and pour peppermint oil on them. Thereís a jar in my car, and all the closets. I freshen the cotton balls monthly all year round. Problem solved.
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    In accordance with Buddhism, rebirth can take place in one of the following forms

    - spontaneous rebirth
    - born or arisen from moisture
    - oviparous (from an egg) <<--- it would classify the bugs/insects i guess
    - viviparous (from a womb)

    A nice tale

    "Tissa, an Elder of Sāvatthi. He once received a length of coarse cloth as a gift and handed it to his sister to be made into a robe. She had the cloth pounded and spun into fine yarn and made of it a soft robe-cloth. At first Tissa would not accept it but was prevailed upon to do so and had it made into a soft robe by skilled robe-makers. He died on the night it was finished and, as a result of his fancy for it, was reborn as a louse in the robe. After his death, the monks wished to divide the robe but the louse started shouting. The Buddha, hearing this by his power of divine audience, asked the monks to lay the robe aside for seven days. At the end of that period, the louse was reborn in the *Tusita world."

    *Tusita is one of the devā worlds.

    ref.: http://www.palikanon.com/english/pali_names/t/tissa.htm
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    compassion for any living being, including those not so magical

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    There is a kind of Zen story about the Indian saint Ramakrishna in which a devotee goes to his home with a burning question about "ahimsa" (non-violence, which in the Jain spiritual practice especially includes non-violence to insects).
    As the story goes, when admitted to the great saint's room, the devotee found him swatting flies.

    See: https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/q...-bothering-you

    I grew very out of patience with tiny biting ants that were coming into my home during the warm months.
    I found a great solution, which is leaving containers of a mix of borax powder and sugar next to windows and doors.
    They cannot resist the sugar, but the coating of borax powder on each grain of sugar is enough to kill them.
    They no longer come into my home, but I don't find their bodies in the containers anymore, either.
    It appears they got the message....
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Here in the UK slugs appear to love to eat whatever vegetables and flowers we love to grow. There are about as many methods to deal with slugs as there are slugs it seems. I go out at dusk with a torch and pick them up and take them to a safe place far away from my growing patch. Some people put down slug pellets. The slug eats them and dies and then the bigger picture kicks in. A bird eats that slug and dies. A fox eats that bird and dies.
    We have to see the bigger picture in all our connections and dealings with nature.
    Its never just about saving something we are growing. Its always about nurturing the whole of life.
    This poem by Joe Miller just about sums it all up for me.


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