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    I've become an expert at trapping flies and releasing them, I can't stand them in the house but can't kill them. Snails are also a destructive garden pest but I read that they will return from anywhere within about a mile - it's pointless to sling them into your neighbour's garden - so once when I was inundated I gathered a lot of them into a box and released them into a hedgerow after their first-ever car journey.

    Thankfully it's no longer a problem since I'm back in Britain, but I draw the line with mosquitoes! They make a beeline for me but not my other half, but I say that they don't eat bad meat... I found that the best thing was to ensure that all doors and windows stayed closed after dusk and the fly screens down. Any interlopers would be splatted.

    When I lived near woods and fields that my cat loved to explore, from spring to autumn there was rarely a day that he would come home without a tick. Through necessity I became an expert in removing them and they got the mosquito treatment. Same for fleas too.

    One night time interloper that I had in my bedroom was annoying yet fantastic - a glow worm! The lights were off but having the glow worm in the room was like disco lights, wonderful to see but no chance of sleep... this one was successfully trapped and freed to the great outdoors. We used to have dozens of glow worms in the adjacent meadows in May and June, a wonderful sight - like the approach to Heathrow at night without the noise.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Snails are also a destructive garden pest but I read that they will return from anywhere within about a mile - it's pointless to sling them into your neighbour's garden - so once when I was inundated I gathered a lot of them into a box and released them into a hedgerow after their first-ever car journey.
    That so intrigued me that I had to research the issue.
    It appears snails can actually move as fast as 1 meter per hour. (Who knew? ) So extrapolating from that, they could make the mile-long journey in 1,609 hours, which is a couple of months. Magical indeed!

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

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    Snails are also a destructive garden pest but I read that they will return from anywhere within about a mile - it's pointless to sling them into your neighbour's garden - so once when I was inundated I gathered a lot of them into a box and released them into a hedgerow after their first-ever car journey.
    That so intrigued me that I had to research the issue.
    It appears snails can actually move as fast as 1 meter per hour. (Who knew? ) So extrapolating from that, they could make the mile-long journey in 1,609 hours, which is a couple of months. Magical indeed!
    A few years ago, a neighbor of mine in my village painted spots on shells of the snails from her garden. She left them a quarter of a mile away from her garden, two weeks later they had all returned
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Brigantia (here)
    Snails are also a destructive garden pest but I read that they will return from anywhere within about a mile - it's pointless to sling them into your neighbour's garden - so once when I was inundated I gathered a lot of them into a box and released them into a hedgerow after their first-ever car journey.
    That so intrigued me that I had to research the issue.
    It appears snails can actually move as fast as 1 meter per hour. (Who knew? ) So extrapolating from that, they could make the mile-long journey in 1,609 hours, which is a couple of months. Magical indeed!
    Substitute video: ”Content is not available in your location.”

    Snails: faster and more exciting than you thought (2:34 min)

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    I find this magical and mysterious and snails always remind me, as well as help me with maths.

    But I'm with DaveToo, in many ways. I can't think that animals are magical without first acknowledging an awkward truth about the universe: the universe is a brutal machine, a machine of consumption. From how stars and planets are made, to how an ecosystem works; each layer of animal consuming the one below. More complicated than that I know, but it illustrates how I characterise the universe in my mind, a model to make sense of it. Once I accept the brutal truth only then can I start to see the beauty.. then I marvel at how the universe isn't quite as ****ed up as it probably should be

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    I try to get all the small critters caught and then gently removed alive out of my appartment. I leave the spiders alone (thank goodness only small ones where I live, big ones creep me out really). Only if they are near my bed I remove them. Don't want to have THAT kind of company at night. I live on a second floor so this is not as bad as when I used to live in a cellar flat. I had all kinds of 'visits', including living mice in my bed.

    Sometimes killing might be an unavoidable act of human self-defense. E.g. you remove a nasty tick or you might swat a mosquito sucker when it bites or sucks the blood out of you respectively. Also if there are vermin you might want to protect your household with some traps or poison. So there is legitimate 'self-defence' in my view.

    Regarding the 'magic' and love of animals: Well I think mostly it is referred to fellow mammal animals. Let's not forget, biologically we humans are also mammals as dry-nosed apes (haplorhini) to be more exact.

    I think therefore (exceptions prove the rule) we humans have a (genetically preprogrammed or learned?) natural defensive attitude with the elicitation of nauseating disgust at most kinds of insects and also reptile species.

    (Interesting side thought: does this 'instinctual' and mammal-self-identification feeling transfer on a macro basis to the ET topic too? That's another topic for another day though...)

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    I have a great affinity for mammals as they are my direct ancestors and we share a type of attitude toward our young, in most cases forming lasting bonds of maternal love. Mammals 'get it'.

    I respect all life and will rescue animals in need if I find myself in such a scenario.

    I have little regard for insects. I am repulsed by them. I feel they are alien and do not belong. We have adapted to their presence but they have another way that is anathema to most other forms of life. Still, I will protect their lives as well if I am able. But there have been times I have had to go to war with insects, rooting out every single cockroach (almost impossible), bed bugs (fully impossible), mosquitos and gnats, among others.

    When I was young we had a small watering hole we would go to often. There was every sort of life present there. Turtles, frogs, snakes, bugs of all sorts. We had no fear, like most children, and we would capture them and hold them in our hands to inspect them up close. What children do that today? They get on their ipads and discover the pond in a video and watch others splash around in the mud while they drink from their sippy cups...

    We have done our children a very big disservice in this modern virtual world of 'high tech', which is just crass and careless management of the future of our world.
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    Fireflies are definitely magical! I will never forgot one night when I went out to make Contact, one of two nights when I actually succeeded. .
    (I was part of a group that had formed around Dr. Steven Greer's work which was focused on making ET Contact, and who all went out on a certain night each month to do just that).
    I went out at sunset to the woods near my home on a warm summer night and sat down next to an old oak tree.
    As night descended to my delight, the woods filled with millions of fireflies.
    I find lots of insects to be repulsive (cockroaches especially!) but I am delighted by fireflies.
    (And I did have a UFO sighting that night as well, a very low flying cigar-shaped ship that was a glowing cobalt blue, moving very slowly and silently just above.)

    I had a friend, Angelique, who had a friend who owned a fairly large piece of private wooded land.
    She invited her circle of women friends to come to her place on the evening of the Summer Solstice.
    Her friends were all spiritually oriented, somewhat psychic meditators.
    She had told them about her experience exactly one year before in early evening on that Solstice, when she had been walking in the woods on her land and had come upon a fairy ring ( a ring of mushrooms, which in fairy lore, are where fairies may sometimes be seen congregating, dancing, riding on fireflies, etc.).
    She sat nearby to meditate and presently she saw a line of what appeared to be fireflies emerging from a copse that flew around the fairy ring in a perfect circle and then returned to the copse.
    She made a connection with one of the beings she sensed near her and was told that the devas wanted more humans to be aware of their presence, and that if she brought friends to the same location on the following Solstice, they would appear once again.
    She did, and they did! My friend, Angelique, was there and saw them too.

    As enchanted as I am by the devic realm, I'm not really sure which experience, the UFO sighting or the firefly sighting, affected me the most.
    I think there must have been fairies present, because it certainly felt very magical.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

     
    For me an animal that probably tops the "magical / not very magical" list are north American magpies - whatever type inhabits the Calgary area. (I guess its the black billed magpie)

    When a person first sees them, the automatic response is "Oh my! What a beautiful looking bird!" - with their long flowing iridescent blueish black tails and back feathers, and pristine white bellies.





    Then, at 6:00 am on a saturday morning, while you are trying to sleep in, you hear this incessant sound that will not let up for hours! ... like a crow being tortured, mixed with obnoxiously loud chattering, and think "What in all of hell type of monstrosity could be possibly making such an ear bleeding sound!". Then you look out the window and you see three magpies in the tree, jumping between the branches, up and down the tree, screaming their beaks off. Upon closer inspection, you can see that they are torturing a poor little squirrel. Not letting it escape out of the tree, and assaulting it in a perfectly coordinated attack. I scare off the magpies, and the squirrel finally is able to run off to safety -- this went on for at least two hours.

    Another time, I watch two magpies lure the neighbour's cat over to a tree, then up the tree. Then higher up the tree. Then out on to the branches. Then out on to the thinner branches, until the cats hunting instincts win over its senses and it ends up falling out of the tree with the two magpies issuing a cackling laugh at it and flying off.

    Magpies always work in pairs or in groups I noticed -- extremely social birds that are always working together to plot some ruthless entertainment ...

    I have also seen them practice "stunt" flying, on a few occasions. repeating some extremely difficult, nonsensical but fancy maneuver, over and over again. Just for fun, I guess. Its seems a lot of activities these birds partake in solely motivated by their version of "fun". I once watched one dive straight down from a light pole, then swoop out of the dive at the last minute before hitting the ground, repeating this over and over, each time getting a little closer to the ground before pulling out - trying to see how late he could swoop out without crashing ... A broad smile beaming from my face on the last swoop, as his confidence overcame his ability and he crashed into the ground, then quickly flew off in apparent embarrassment.

    Another time, I watched one practice flying from a tree under a sign, into a back flip and then landing on the top of the sign -- practicing this over and over.

    Obviously they are extremely intelligent and very socially complex birds that have an complex and varied vocabulary (they seem to always be "talking" to each other), and have a good hankering for mischievous "fun", but at the same time, can be so obnoxious and ruthless. Truly magical, except at 6:00am when they are torturing squirrels and you are trying to sleep in ...
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
     
    I have also seen them practice "stunt" flying, on a few occasions. repeating some extremely difficult, nonsensical but fancy maneuver, over and over again. Just for fun guess. Its seems a lot of activities these birds partake in solely motivated by their version of "fun". I once watched one dive straight down from a light pole, then swoop out of the dive at the last minute before hitting the ground, repeating this over and over, each time getting a little closer to the ground before pulling out - trying to see how late he could swoop out without crashing ... A broad smile beaming from my face on the last swoop, as his confidence overcame his ability and he crashed into the ground, then quickly flew off in apparent embarrassment.

    Another time, I watched one practice flying from a tree under sign, into a back flip and then landing on the top of the sign -- practicing this over and over.
    The stunt flying reminded me of Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I know how to fold a frog from a piece of paper, so-called origami, but I don't understand why the earwig wings have anything to do with origami?
    Maybe National Geographic just like to play with words?

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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    Quote Posted by Rawhide68 (here)
    I know how to fold a frog from a piece of paper, so-called origami, but I don't understand why the earwig wings have anything to do with origami?
    Maybe National Geographic just like to play with words?
    They fold up their wings with their back "pincers" and store them under a small shell on their backs. "Ori" from Japanese translates into "folding" in English. So its a bit of play on words as insect wings aren't exactly paper, but rather "paper-like"
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I love this kind of question because it makes you revisit things that you have thought about your entire life.

    I have come to the conclusion that all animals are sentient. This simply means that they have the capacity to suffer fear, pain, or distress as well as a sense of well-being. They have a brain and a central nervous system.

    Just try to swat a fly or hit a roach with a piece of rolled up paper and you quickly understand that the insect is well aware that its life is in jeopardy.

    Yes, all animals are truly magical, including mosquitos, roaches and spiders. Sometimes you have to look for the magic, it is always there. Anyone that sees a spider web in the sunlight or in the morning dew should be well aware of the magic. This does not mean you want them living in your home but it does mean that should respect them. On rare occasions, it becomes necessary to take drastic steps and destroy them.........such as an infestation of roaches.

    There is no question in my mind that we have been programmed to fear certain insects. We should reprogram ourselves to respect all living creatures, especially those that can cause harm and death. This respect should allow us to live on the same planet with them using the necessary precautions to stay healthy and alive.
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    I have never been particularly fond of insects, but I do deeply love and adore animals. I have not killed any insects in many years except accidentally and then I feel bad. I don't have the right to take a life, no matter how insignificant it be. I practice ahimsa, I have a really deep disdain towards real life violence as I know what it can cause.
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    Default Re: Are some animals not very magical?

    This was filmed using an electron microscope - guessing game as to what it is but a hint is its an insect body part. I'm seeing a lot of photos using this kind of microscope and its interesting to see what such tiny creatures look life size (and be thankful that they are such tiny creatures)


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    This was filmed using an electron microscope - guessing game as to what it is but a hint is its an insect body part. I'm seeing a lot of photos using this kind of microscope and its interesting to see what such tiny creatures look life size (and be thankful that they are such tiny creatures)

    Looks like a foot to me.

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    Ok maybe the winner for "not very magical" might be demodex mites ... ?



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    Is that a bee's pollen collectors?
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Is that a bee's pollen collectors?
    I think its a beetle's foot.

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    'This giant earthworm worm was found in extremely rich forest soil in the foothills of the Sumaco Volcano in Ecuador.
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    It's been identified as a Martiodrilus crassus, which translates to "worm which feeds on dogs." Like other earthworms, these giants spend their lives sucking down microbes and decaying plant or animal matter in the soil.
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    Scientist @phil_torres said, "It had a surprisingly similar feel to the earthworms I dig up in my yard. It felt like a long, slimy, ridged muscle. It seems like it is 90% muscle, 9% dirt, 1% nervous system. If I were starving out there, I might be tempted to cook it.”
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    However, at five feet in length, it's not the longest recorded worm, nor even the planet's biggest species of earthworm. The Giant Gippsland earthworm, found in the clay soil along streams in Victoria, Australia, can stretch to an impressive 9.8 feet in length!'

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    Quote Posted by Jill (here)
    'This giant earthworm worm was found in extremely rich forest soil in the foothills of the Sumaco Volcano in Ecuador.
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    It's been identified as a Martiodrilus crassus, which translates to "worm which feeds on dogs." Like other earthworms, these giants spend their lives sucking down microbes and decaying plant or animal matter in the soil.
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    Scientist @phil_torres said, "It had a surprisingly similar feel to the earthworms I dig up in my yard. It felt like a long, slimy, ridged muscle. It seems like it is 90% muscle, 9% dirt, 1% nervous system. If I were starving out there, I might be tempted to cook it.”
    .
    However, at five feet in length, it's not the longest recorded worm, nor even the planet's biggest species of earthworm. The Giant Gippsland earthworm, found in the clay soil along streams in Victoria, Australia, can stretch to an impressive 9.8 feet in length!'
    Wow! What a beauty! I've heard about the giant earthworms in Gippsland and visited Gippsland quite a bit but I've never seen one.
    I was re-potting a plant yesterday when I came across a small fat earthworm with all the iridescence of a peacock's feather. I returned the little fella to the soil so I don't have a pic of him but here is what he looked like.

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