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    Default Re: Kazakhstan Anomaly - flash freezing animals

    If they are frozen (if) then it would take more than -51 to freeze the animals like that, and some are reported/fabled to have been frozen in motion. Following my imagination down this train of thought brings freeze weapons to mind. The idea it's a hoax is fine, it feels like a show. But in another conversation it wouldn't be such a surprise to me that it was a sinister show, to cause a shock of fear. I'm sure freezing is a viable type of weapon technology that's been researched and developed, just as gain-of-function virus' are

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    I'm interested in that discussion too.

    There is a way to draw off heat by using multiple lasers. The lasers are arrayed in such a fashion that they focus on a central point, I believe. In that point is the sample to be frozen. The lasers limit vibration of the sample through resonance, I believe. Even photons of light, through the additional aid of a 'special circumstantial medium', have been slowed to a stop. Or in the case of the sample, cooled to almost absolute zero...
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    If they are frozen (if) then it would take more than -51 to freeze the animals like that, and some are reported/fabled to have been frozen in motion. Following my imagination down this train of thought brings freeze weapons to mind. The idea it's a hoax is fine, it feels like a show. But in another conversation it wouldn't be such a surprise to me that it was a sinister show, to cause a shock of fear. I'm sure freezing is a viable type of weapon technology that's been researched and developed, just as gain-of-function virus' are
    Weather modification isn't really secret or new technology - the Russians started playing with it in the 70's. USA shortly afterwards.

    I think the animals in the video were possibly found frozen, he gathered them up, staged them, put the frozen rat on the dogs back and made the video. Playful intent is what Occam's razor would indicate in this instance. And for all we know he could be saying "I found these animals frozen in the snow so I staged them here like this for my video ..." etc.

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    I'm interested in that discussion too.

    There is a way to draw off heat by using multiple lasers. The lasers are arrayed in such a fashion that they focus on a central point, I believe. In that point is the sample to be frozen. The lasers limit vibration of the sample through resonance, I believe. Even photons of light, through the additional aid of a 'special circumstantial medium', have been slowed to a stop. Or in the case of the sample, cooled to almost absolute zero...
    Microwave technology would probably be easier and cheaper (maybe a HAARP type tech). Just heat some air next to an arctic mass (easy to do with microwaves) - the heated air rises, creating a low pressure area - the arctic air mass rushes in to balance the pressure differential.
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    Default Re: Kazakhstan Anomaly - flash freezing animals

    I wasn't thinking about weaponised weather, although that sort of thing too. Whatever directed energy weapons are, and whatever form they take. Satellite or vehicle mounted was in my imagination when I was thinking that way. Yes the thought train goes beyond Occam's razor, it's doesn't have to take main stage but it has its place
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    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
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    Default Re: Kazakhstan Anomaly - flash freezing animals

    Occam's razor
    The simplest explanation is usually the right one

    Thank you DeDukshyn - discussions of the imagination can be bad for the echo chamber without accepting/declaring an Occam's razor point of view first, easy to forget. Cool move 🤣🤣



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    So since we have established baseline most probable cause we can think of, it's a great hoax, I want to elaborate on why the idea of weapons came to my mind. It was seeing a linked article from the first one (in the opening post).

    Quote 200,000 Saiga antelopes were wiped out by a MUTANT bacteria, normaly harmless in the animals’ bodies
    https://strangesounds.org/2018/01/20...azakhstan.html
    Could be unconnected. Could be innocent or could be sinister.

    However, before I could stop myself, I wondered if Kazakhstan could be a the geopolitical place where it's safe to test your new secret weapons. Who's going to be offended? And since gain-of-function virus' are all the rage, my mind easily went of gain-of-function biological weapons.



    Not talking about the poor antelopes, but the frozen thing.. well, either I guess. But I'm interested in your Occam's razor OR just what your gut's saying. Your best critical thinking or your coffee break natter. Either or both, I'd be delighted if you felt you could share

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    Not talking about the poor antelopes, but the frozen thing.. well, either I guess. But I'm interested in your Occam's razor OR just what your gut's saying. Your best critical thinking or your coffee break natter. Either or both, I'd be delighted if you felt you could share
    On the frozen thing, first thing I would consider is this: I am an outsider, not from Kazakhstan, looking in, and judging a video, of frozen animals, that has a narration, but I cannot understand anything the guy is saying, so anything I imagine him saying is created from my biased imagination. If I were a person who lived in Kazakhstan, and endured the extremely harsh winters where the temperatures being claimed are not outside of the norm, what might I think of those temperatures? What I might think if that guy was my neighbour and he shared with me that video?

    Something like that first, before ever moving on to more exotic scenarios. Any such exotic scenario needs to have a motive that can be reasonably satisfied, a means that can be reasonably satisfied, a time period that can be reasonably satisfied, etc.

    If after exploring all those things, the simplest reasoning makes the most sense, then maybe I might consider, would someone merely want me to consider the simplest reasoning and that this is actually more complex? But any venture into this area gets into tin foil hat territory, and strong evidence and reasoning, and the means, and the motive, to support it is required. If those can't be met, time to move on to the next great mystery!
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    Totally fair enough, time to move on. But glad you took part too. Anyone else with an inkling or feeling, well, facebook might not be the best place to express it, but Project Avalon probably is Thank you in advance for expressing your opinion

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    Since the news says it is in Kazakhstan, but didn't care to share the exactly location, Kazakhstan is a big country, I am taking into consideration that the event took place in north-east of the country in one of the coldest place over there called Pavlodar.
    Here is an historical data of temperatures in Pavlodar-Kazakhstan from JAN 1st 2000 until JAN 23rd 2021



    Anyone can check historical temp. data here https://rp5.ru/Weather_archive_in_Pavlodar or here https://power.larc.nasa.gov/data-access-viewer/
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    I've worked in -40 degree weather. We'd go out in shifts of twenty minutes. It was so cold!

    I'm pretty sure I could take more than another ten degrees before freezing solid in mid stride...
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    Well I’ve just noticed through the news pages that they’ve recorded some extremely low temperatures in the far North - Siberia, less than -50 C.
    These freezing air waves are typically connected to drifting away parts of polar vortex and have already caused several dangerous freezing waves in previous winters,
    throughout Europe, the British Isles and parts of Northern America ( as the cold wave spirals downwards it eventually descends and hits even southern parts of either continent).

    Coldest air on Earth sends temperatures bellow -50 C in Siberia

    Considering its now locked to the Northern parts of continent and far away from most of our latitudes, it may still come down on us in later parts of February if not earlier.


    It seems to be connected to decrease of humidity in global atmosphere, partially due to cohesive nature of water molecules depending on temperature, pressure etc.,
    and more water bodies being trapped together by El Niño effect.

    It’s how we get less rains and atmospheric water regularly and are more vulnerable to these arctic waves and other dry climatic conditions, electric storms etc.


    The Polar Vortex is coming and rising odds for intense winter weather -National Geographic


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    A stunning ice volcano forming in Kazakhstan



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