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    If the vaccination is the science wonder savior of the world, why the need for the hard sell via mainstream media?



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    My fear is that as I work for a huge multinational logistics company...my company (DHL) may make the vaccine mandatory for people to return to work. I still work at the office on a daily basis, while my coworkers have been working from home since last March of 2020 (I haven't seen them in over a year). I was asked if I would prefer to work at home but I said no....I need structure!! But if they make vaccine mandatory for people to return to the office...my refusal to take the vaccine may force me to work from home (or to quit altogether).

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    I just had a long conversation with my boss about why I will not take the vaccine. He arranged for everyone in the company to go and get the shot. There was myself and one other person who refused. I have just learn that the other person agreed to it this morning. I am sure the boss told him what he told me and that was basically if you want to stay employed you need to get the jab. Why? It seems that companies are being offered a monetary incentive to 100% vaccination within the company----by the US government. I have a medical excuse at the moment but my boss is being very intimidating about this so I may soon be looking for another job. Or maybe I should just retire and spend my days hugging my trees and taking long walks with my horse.
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    Yeah tomcat , heard the same thing here last week when my buddy got operated on , his wife was talking to the nurse and she said there were more people in there that have had the vaccines in the hospital than not. That was last week. Karen, I have many friends and customers that have taken this shot, most won't listen and just say its a vaccine like the regular flu shot, makes me very sad. I'm going to my uncles funeral today who died 5 days later after the shot, he went and told my aunt he was going to lay down and 2 hours later was gone. Just sad . I will tell you myself and my wife and a few others had this virus 3-4 years ago. When I got this I was taken right down in 24 hours, couldn't breathe, no energy, winded in walking 30 ft. Keep saying what is this shxt? It zapped me for a week, and then another week to get better,. My wife and my buddy both told me they didn't think they were going to make it for 3 days. They thought they were going to die. But we all did make it, my buddy who is a chiropractor in his late 30's had this too at the same time, he doesn't wear a mask even in his practice now. Sees 30 people a day, he should be dead by now , right? I very rarely wear a mask too. We should all be dead with the people we see everyday right? There was that study where they tested people that went thru the 1918 flu, 100 years later they still had the antibodies. Thats why I think we all havn't got sick again, we already had this 3-4 years ago.

    Want to hear something crazy, talking a person yesterday, there company is so short of help they have a worker that tested positive but isn't showing signs of being sick, so they put a porta potty in for just that one person and said she can work. The insanity is reaching a new level . Just as cliff high said when all these people start coming down with illnesses due to this shot, these people will be turning on those who promoted this. My friend at the hospital who does blood work said they are seeing people who have taken the vaccine with multiple lesions on their livers now. Remember all the animals that they tested this shot on and all died, ALL OF THEM DIED. complication's down the road with the animals included liver issues. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!! anybody in there?

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    A lot of the US Military have refused the vaxx....and I know many of the nurses in hospitals in the Toronto area have also refused it. Vaccines takes decades...not 8 months.

    The other thing is...any vaccine has not been given 100% approval. It has only been given "emergency approval". They are still doing trials for each vaccine which will last into 2023. The thing that most people don't realize is that the "emergency approval" drops once lockdowns end. Henceforth, lockdowns won't be ending anytime soon.

    Blows my mind what these folks (Cabal) are getting away with...and most people can't see the forest through the trees.

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    Quote Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
    I just had a long conversation with my boss about why I will not take the vaccine. He arranged for everyone in the company to go and get the shot. There was myself and one other person who refused. I have just learn that the other person agreed to it this morning. I am sure the boss told him what he told me and that was basically if you want to stay employed you need to get the jab. Why? It seems that companies are being offered a monetary incentive to 100% vaccination within the company----by the US government. I have a medical excuse at the moment but my boss is being very intimidating about this so I may soon be looking for another job. Or maybe I should just retire and spend my days hugging my trees and taking long walks with my horse.
    Don't quit, let him fire you. Then sue his ass.

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    Quote Posted by Spellbound (here)
    Blows my mind what these folks (Cabal) are getting away with...and most people can't see the forest through the trees.
    Dave - Toronto
    In 1993 Washington DC columinst Pat Buchanan said that the North American Free Trade Agreement was a "non-negotiable demand from the ruling class." That's why it could not be stopped. This vaccine program seems the same.

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    Update!

    Yesterday afternoon my doctor sent an email to my boss explaining that I have chronic ITP (Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura),which means I cannot have the vaccine. I could seriously bleed to death. So I am hoping this will keep me from being fired or laid off and keep me from ever having to take the vaccine.
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    Quote Posted by pyrangello (here)
    I will tell you myself and my wife and a few others had this virus 3-4 years ago. When I got this I was taken right down in 24 hours, couldn't breathe, no energy, winded in walking 30 ft. Keep saying what is this shxt? It zapped me for a week, and then another week to get better,. My wife and my buddy both told me they didn't think they were going to make it for 3 days. They thought they were going to die. Thats why I think we all havn't got sick again, we already had this 3-4 years ago.
    This also happened to me and my husband, same symptoms also about 3 years ago and we both thought we were going to die for three days, and it took a week to just start to get over it and more than another week to start getting our strength back. My husband is absolutely convinced we had the covid then as well. We both have never taken any flu shots and we both don’t want this vaccine. I deeply sympathize for people that have jobs and are being coerced into taking the shot , I have siblings in that same boat, and they don’t want to lose their jobs. 😢

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    I know all situations are different, but I think the idea of being fired vs. quitting has value. My fondest hope is that at some point employers will be held responsible for the coercion...especially if it is about making more profit. I think we would all love to see that. What a year this has been for you, Karen. ✌️❤️✌️❤️✌️❤️ Diane

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    Whilst I know many here oppose any vaccination, others may be ok with the principle of vaccination, but wary over the experimental nature of the new and largely untested MRNA variants.

    Also, many are already under pressure from workplaces to accept a vaccine. So perhaps this news may be of use to some of you:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fr...eu-11619091912

    Quote French biotech company Valneva has launched a pivotal Phase 3 trial for its experimental COVID-19 vaccine — the last step before seeking regulatory approval.

    It comes as Valneva said it would give priority to securing deals with individual countries after it failed to make “meaningful progress” on supplying its vaccine candidate to the European Union, dealing another blow to the bloc’s immunization program.

    Valneva’s Phase 3 trial – called Cov-Compare – will compare the immune response generated by its vaccine with that of the vaccine developed jointly by AstraZeneca AZN, -0.34% and the University of Oxford, the company said in a statement on Wednesday.

    Read: Young, healthy adults will be deliberately reinfected with COVID-19 to boost vaccine development

    The trial will look at the immune response of 4,000 participants two weeks after getting their second dose of either vaccine, administered in a four-week interval. It will be conducted at approximately 25 sites in the U.K. with the support of the National Institute for Health Research.

    The company plans to conduct additional, complementary trials while the Cov-Compare study is progressing.

    Shares in Valneva VLA, -1.42% rose 2.59% in early European trading. The stock has risen more than 57% in the year to date, according to FactSet.

    Saint-Herblain, France-based Valneva is developing an inactivated, whole virus vaccine, a more traditional approach to making shots than the one taken by German biotech BioNTech BNTX, 3.21% with U.S. drug company Pfizer PFE, -0.43%. Valneva will use an adjuvant — ingredients that can be added to vaccines to make them more effective — made by U.S. biopharmaceutical Dynavax DVAX, -0.11%.

    Read: French vaccine maker Valneva to launch Phase 3 trial of COVID-19 vaccine it’s making with Dynavax after positive results

    Valneva said on April 6 that it would start large-scale efficacy trials of its two-dose vaccine candidate later that month, after initial results from a Phase 1/2 clinical trial involving 153 people aged 18-55, showed it produced a “strong immune response.”

    The shot was also found to be “highly immunogenic,” with “more than 90% of all study participants developing significant levels of antibodies to the coronavirus spike protein. It also induced T-cell responses, which help the body fend off a virus and play a role in long-lasting immunity.

    Valneva expects to file for approval with U.K. regulators in the autumn of 2021. If approved, the vaccine will be produced in Livingston, Scotland. The U.K. has secured up to 100 million doses of the inactivated vaccine, with the option of purchasing 90 million more doses between 2023 and 2025. Valneva expects to deliver 60 million doses by the end of the first quarter of 2022.
    If you tell your workplace that you're waiting the traditional, proven method of vaccine and put all the emphasis for refusal on the well documented experimental nature of the MRNA delivery mechanism you may make it more difficult for them to make trouble for you? At least it would buy you some time until the Autumn, when a lot more may be known about the current vaccines. At that point you may at least have a more traditional vaccine as an option which would hopefully not have some of the worrying potential aspects of the MRNA variants?

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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    Whilst I know many here oppose any vaccination, others may be ok with the principle of vaccination, but wary over the experimental nature of the new and largely untested MRNA variants.

    Also, many are already under pressure from workplaces to accept a vaccine. So perhaps this news may be of use to some of you:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fr...eu-11619091912

    Quote French biotech company Valneva has launched a pivotal Phase 3 trial for its experimental COVID-19 vaccine — the last step before seeking regulatory approval.

    It comes as Valneva said it would give priority to securing deals with individual countries after it failed to make “meaningful progress” on supplying its vaccine candidate to the European Union, dealing another blow to the bloc’s immunization program.

    Valneva’s Phase 3 trial – called Cov-Compare – will compare the immune response generated by its vaccine with that of the vaccine developed jointly by AstraZeneca AZN, -0.34% and the University of Oxford, the company said in a statement on Wednesday.

    Read: Young, healthy adults will be deliberately reinfected with COVID-19 to boost vaccine development

    The trial will look at the immune response of 4,000 participants two weeks after getting their second dose of either vaccine, administered in a four-week interval. It will be conducted at approximately 25 sites in the U.K. with the support of the National Institute for Health Research.

    The company plans to conduct additional, complementary trials while the Cov-Compare study is progressing.

    Shares in Valneva VLA, -1.42% rose 2.59% in early European trading. The stock has risen more than 57% in the year to date, according to FactSet.

    Saint-Herblain, France-based Valneva is developing an inactivated, whole virus vaccine, a more traditional approach to making shots than the one taken by German biotech BioNTech BNTX, 3.21% with U.S. drug company Pfizer PFE, -0.43%. Valneva will use an adjuvant — ingredients that can be added to vaccines to make them more effective — made by U.S. biopharmaceutical Dynavax DVAX, -0.11%.

    Read: French vaccine maker Valneva to launch Phase 3 trial of COVID-19 vaccine it’s making with Dynavax after positive results

    Valneva said on April 6 that it would start large-scale efficacy trials of its two-dose vaccine candidate later that month, after initial results from a Phase 1/2 clinical trial involving 153 people aged 18-55, showed it produced a “strong immune response.”

    The shot was also found to be “highly immunogenic,” with “more than 90% of all study participants developing significant levels of antibodies to the coronavirus spike protein. It also induced T-cell responses, which help the body fend off a virus and play a role in long-lasting immunity.

    Valneva expects to file for approval with U.K. regulators in the autumn of 2021. If approved, the vaccine will be produced in Livingston, Scotland. The U.K. has secured up to 100 million doses of the inactivated vaccine, with the option of purchasing 90 million more doses between 2023 and 2025. Valneva expects to deliver 60 million doses by the end of the first quarter of 2022.
    If you tell your workplace that you're waiting the traditional, proven method of vaccine and put all the emphasis for refusal on the well documented experimental nature of the MRNA delivery mechanism you may make it more difficult for them to make trouble for you? At least it would buy you some time until the Autumn, when a lot more may be known about the current vaccines. At that point you may at least have a more traditional vaccine as an option which would hopefully not have some of the worrying potential aspects of the MRNA variants?
    Sounds as if they are actually testing this one. But I most likely will not have that one either. I react very badly to a simple flu vaccine. I have not had one in years and I have not had the flu. I think I will just continue on with my immunity boosters Fortunately, I work from home, live in the middle of nowhere and have little exposure to people. I suspect being around someone who is shedding Covid after a vaccination could be very bad for me.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.” William Blake

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    Went to my uncles funeral last night, it was a 2 hr drive. My one cousin said my uncle seemed fine before he went to sleep, its just he never woke up after that. All my cousins came down with covid prior to his passing , Just as this virus did here where I live back last october, came in in a rushed sweep and left just as fast. In the small town where my uncle died, this strain did the same thing 2 weeks ago, My aunt and uncle took the shot, a few days later my cousins got sick, yes they see each other almost daily. My aunt and uncle were not sick but my 3 cousins were, fever, no smell , loss of appetite. The morning my uncle died , so did all the symptoms of this virus in my cousins except even at the funeral they still can't smell. The funeral director who did the eulogies was not wearing a mask the entire time and speaking with him privately he is awoken and is not taking this shot. Many of my family members have already. What do you say at this point. Nothing, it is a time to say goodbye to my uncle not present a case of what is happening.

    I was struck at how this isolation on my elder relatives is taking its toll. You can see the stress and strain in their faces, the aging and unhappiness this self isolation is taking was just so sad. Being scared to come to a relatives funeral as well. It really just made me pause for a moment on what this is doing to families around the world and individuals too. And the perception of validation that I have taken my shot when at the same time nothing has changed in their life since taking that shot, mask, isolation , and fear are still all present.

    My one cousin said to me since he has had this virus now he can't get the shot for 6 months. That rang a bell in my head, not once has the media or CDC said if you get the covid you cannot get a the shot for a while or ever. Remember the study with the 1918 flu and the people that made it thru still had the antibodies 100 years later. If I was a betting man , I'm guessing the same applies to this virus. Which is exactly why I don't wear a mask or social distance and see people daily . And I'm also guessing these antibodies never go away either but that doesn't fit the narrative of the shot and boosters too. And of course profits and as an added bonus more people leaving the earth premature. Yes I have a deep conviction at this point .

    In memory of my uncle, what a cool guy he was. He poured and finished cement all his life, surfed in California, was a little league coach for baseball and boxing, Love his vintage car, bonfires, deer hunting , and his family. He wasn't just a dad, he was their best friend too. One funny moment was when my aunt was talking about him to everyone, good husband, best friend, great dad, and yes I will see him again, and the humorous part of that comment was when she followed that up with "Just not today". Everyone go a chuckle out of that. As I was leaving almost everyone was gone and my cousins and aunt were cleaning, I turned to the funeral director and said and now life continues on doesn't it. Very humbling evening for me.

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    Fair question and the worst area of Trump's policies in my view all along

    https://gab.com/RedPillBlackGurl/pos...12444962877359

    Quote IS TRUMP A WOLF IN MAGA CLOTHING?

    PRAYER REQUEST: For Trump Supporters to Have Discernment

    Despite several years back while running for president in 2016 expressing his own “anti-vaccine” sentiments, Trump has now decided to take aim at those “resisting” the latest experimental injections from Big Pharma, which are not even approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    Trump says that it is “sheer lunacy” for Resident Joe Biden “to delay millions of vaccinations and feed fears among the vax-resistant.” “Indeed, this moronic move is a gift to the anti-vax movement,” Trump added in the email. “The science bureaucrats are fueling that deranged pseudo-science.”

    Many seem to have forgotten that it was Trump who declared a “national emergency” with regards to the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) back on March 13, 2020. This opened up the door for nationwide lockdowns, mask mandates and other authoritarian impositions. Not long after his declaration, Trump announced the launch of Operation Warp Speed, which promised a “fast-tracked” vaccine scheme to be rolled out at “warp speed.”

    Now, thanks to Trump, Americans are being coerced into getting jabbed as a condition of returning back to “normal.” Governments around the world, including here in the United States, are also now talking about forcing people to carry around “vaccine passports” to prove they were injected as a condition of entry into stores.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-04-...doscience.html

    Quote Trump email announcement says refusing Covid-19 vaccination is “deranged pseudoscience”

    (Natural News) In an email blast sent out to his supporters on Monday, former President Donald Trump bashed those who are just saying no to the experimental Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) gene therapy injections being administered under his “Operation Warp Speed” mass vaccination scheme.

    According to Trump, there is no reason for anyone to skip the jab because “every medication” carries with it “some risk.” Taking a precautionary approach, even for an alleged virus that almost nobody develops symptoms from, is “deranged pseudo-science,” according to Trump.

    “The federal pause on the J&J shot makes no sense,” Trump complained. “Why is the Biden White House letting insanely risk-averse bureaucrats run the show?

    Trump is referring, of course, to the federal government’s temporary halt on all further administration of Johnson & Johnson’s Chinese Virus injection, which just like every other emergency use authorization (EUA) jab currently being administered is linked to deadly blood clots.

    In Trump’s view, most people are not experiencing these blood clots immediately after injection so there is no reason to stop the highly profitable, zero-liability operation from proceeding.

    “Just six people out of the nearly 7 million who’ve gotten the Johnson & Johnson vaccine reported blood clots,” Trump further whined. “The condition is more common in the general population, and every vaccine – indeed, every medication – carries some risk, including the Moderna and Pfizer jabs.”

    Despite several years back while running for president in 2016 expressing his own “anti-vaccine” sentiments, Trump has now decided to take aim at those “resisting” the latest experimental injections from Big Pharma, which are not even approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    Trump says that it is “sheer lunacy” for Resident Joe Biden “to delay millions of vaccinations and feed fears among the vax-resistant.”

    “Indeed, this moronic move is a gift to the anti-vax movement,” Trump added in the email. “The science bureaucrats are fueling that deranged pseudo-science.”

    You can read the full press release below as tweeted by the Right Side Broadcasting Network (RSBN):
    From Gab's founder

    https://news.gab.com/2021/04/22/gab-...ntal-vaccines/

    Quote Gab Welcomes Pushback Against Experimental Vaccines
    Post author
    By Andrew Torba
    Post date
    April 22, 2021

    I am not going to stop pushing back against this experimental covid vaccine. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS NOT LAB RATS. I’ve seen far too many horror stories and this is too important.

    The fact that Trump is pushing this vaccine and even proudly taking credit for it alongside the globalists is really disheartening, especially as someone who voted for him twice and faced down a mob of insane people for five years because of it.

    Where is the Donald Trump of 2014 who tweeted “Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!”

    Where did that guy go?

    If you log into Facebook, YouTube, Google, and Twitter today you will be bombarded with “GET THE VACCINE NOW” across every feed. You open up your email inbox or turn on the TV and it’s the same thing. It’s sickening. It’s the largest psychological conditioning operation in human history.

    Being anti-experimental vaccine is not about being “anti-science.” It’s about being pro-humanity. It’s about religious liberty. It’s about free speech. This moment is exactly what Gab was built for.

    If you can’t question the largest science experiment in history, if you can’t opt-out, if you can’t highlight all the problems with it, and if any medical professional who dares to question it is silenced then you are living in a state of global medical tyranny.

    As I wrote earlier this month, the vaccine has become a religious ceremony and people have a right to not participate in it. I will not be peer pressured by government, globohomo corporations, celebrities, or even my friends and family to do anything; let alone inject a foreign substance into my body. Deal with it.

    Gab will be the one place on the internet where it’s okay to say you’re not getting the vaccine and it’s okay to question it and it’s okay to talk about the horrific side effects that many people are experiencing.

    Nothing and no one is going to change that.

    Andrew Torba
    CEO, Gab.com

    I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. - Robert Anton Wilson

    The present as you think of it, and in practical working terms, is that point at which you select your physical experience from all those events that could be materialized. - Seth (The Nature of Personal Reality - Session 656, Page 293)

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