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    Default Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    I'm not sure if this subject may have been covered already, but it is a worry I (and I'm sure others) have, as people around me have had/are having the jab (incidentally, I often feel as if I have failed them, but there is only so much you can do with little energy, when you're up against the tide of people's workplaces demanding it, their trust in 'science' and authorities, and the unrelenting propaganda).

    Anyway, whatever cocktail is put into them, or whatever is created by their bodies as a result of that, I really do not want any bit of it to somehow be passed on to me, and I wonder if there is any evidence so far of such a risk with these particular 'vaccines'. Hopefully my worry is completely unfounded.

    (Editing to add that I hope that doesn't make me seem selfish...)
    Last edited by Anna70; 23rd January 2021 at 03:37. Reason: I thought I sounded a bit selfish

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    I have been wondering about this.
    I guess researching how gmo crops interact with natural crops would provide some perspective...
    I certainly wouldnt swap any bodily fluids with injected people until further notice. (I guess thats quite a statement to make.....)

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)
    ...I certainly wouldnt swap any bodily fluids with injected people until further notice. (I guess thats quite a statement to make.....)
    A sensible statement though! Won't be sharing a glass of water etc. ;-)

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    I can imagine how stressful it may feel nowadays in the families and communities concerned but look at it from any other perspective than “Covid 19 jab”.

    Yes we do share some of our microbiome and even snippets of DNA in households and closed working spaces and other crowded spaces if frequently visited. Most of the biological share is “read and discarded” as our immunity system operates down to molecular level. If it’s damaged or partially hijacked -long term- we may become a cohost to other people’s bio-information. Microbial and viral cross-contamination depends more on whether we eat the same types of food and breathe the same air.
    But at the bottom line, if there’s microbe in the environment that is as aggressive as Covid 19, it requires lots of cautions to avoid it.

    In case of vaccinations on the other hand, there is no viral action in place. Vaccinated people (and dogs ) tend to look and feel little weak for few days but then they get back on feet as usually.

    So I’d not worry about it but try to be kind and watchful with friends/colleagues who have been vaccinated as they may need your help instead.


    I’ve been vaccinated against good number of things in my childhood as all children were ( it was mandatory and free of any cost back then, vaccinations against TBC, polio, measles etc.) and I don’t think I could have “passed on my immunity” on other people in the world other than psychologically.
    If we could do “just that” it would be kind of easy.


    One thing about it ...it’s long enough from my perspective that I’d wash most of my metabolism out since and got rid of all I ever wanted to get rid off,
    together with biological residues of my parents etc.
    I did thorough cleansing of body and mind, repeatedly since I was 19 and felt better ever since.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Thank you ever so much for your interesting and thoughtful reply. Yes, kind and watchful is what I am hoping to be to those I love, which is why I felt compelled to caution them. Though I tried to be diplomatic about it, it was not appreciated very much, and the next thing I know I'm a potential fear monger.
    Of course I fully respect everyone's freedom to do what they believe to be best; after all, this virus is not one to be taken too lightly either (in my Dad's care home in the Netherlands, 17 out of 38 residents died last Spring when there was an outbreak, including both of his nextdoor neighbours), and ultimately, what do I really know?

    (Personally though, I will not touch this concoction with a barge pole. If/When I die, it will not be to please the likes of Mr Gates.)
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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    It's really quite a good question.

    It doesn't seem 100.00% impossible that something unhealthy and unwanted, present in the blood or elsewhere, could be passed on through bodily fluids (sexual contact, as with HIV), or blood transfer, as when someone has an open wound or even a blood transfusion. I'd be very interested to know if anything like this has been discussed in the medical community.
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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    It's really quite a good question.

    It doesn't seem 100.00% impossible that something unhealthy and unwanted, present in the blood or elsewhere, could be passed on through bodily fluids (sexual contact, as with HIV), or accidental blood transfer, as when someone has an open wound. I'd be very interested to know if anything like this has been discussed in the medical community.
    this is HIGHLY dependent on the specific methodology used by the vaccine in question... these new mRNA editing covid vaccines function (and have side effects) completely different from the traditional "flu" vaccine (which was an attenuated or "weakened" virus that allowed your immune system to beat it easily).

    this doesn't seem to be spoken of much... but mRNA literally reprograms your body... that's it's purpose.
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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Thank you, Bill. I did wonder about blood transfusions as well, glad you mentioned that!

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Exactly! And apparently it should never have been classed as a 'vaccine' because of that. And it is because of this gene altering nature that I'm not entirely confident that boosting the immune system alone is going to be sufficient if traces of this stuff somehow end up being transferred.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    I googled the question. Do vaccines have a shedding period ? (I know the flue vaccine has a shedding period)


    https://www.verywellhealth.com/live-...edding-2633700

    Understanding Live Vaccines and Vaccine Shedding

    Vaccines stimulate your body to produce immunity against a disease. Some use live viruses while others use inactive or killed viruses or bacteria. For some diseases, both versions are available and each is recommended for a different population, such as those who are immunocompromised.

    You may have questions as to whether you would be contagious for the disease after getting a live vaccine due to viral shedding. Live vaccines are safe, with some precautions, especially when compared with the risk of getting the disease itself and spreading it to others.

    Live vs. Inactivated Vaccines
    Live vaccines contain a weakened or attenuated form of a virus or bacteria. This is, in contrast, to "killed" or inactivated vaccines.

    It might sound frightening at first to realize that a vaccine contains a weakened virus or bacteria, but these are altered so that they cannot cause disease—at least in people with healthy immune systems, and the majority of people without a healthy immune system as well.

    If a child (or adult) has a suppressed immune system, live vaccines are not given

    A potential problem is with shedding of the virus by those appropriately immunized who may have close contact with those who are immunosuppressed. After receiving the vaccine, some of the weakened viruses will travel through the body and can be present in bodily secretions such as feces.2

    The other main type of vaccine is made of the inactivated virus or bacteria (whole vaccine) or just parts of the virus or bacteria (fractional vaccine).

    Advantages and Benefits
    Live vaccines are thought to better simulate natural infections and usually provide lifelong protection with one or two doses.3 Most inactivated vaccines, in contrast, require multiple primary doses and boosters (years later) to get the same type of immunity.

    In some types of live vaccines, a second dose is given because some people don't respond to the first dose, but that is not considered to be a booster.

    Live Vaccines
    Children have been getting live vaccines for many years, and these vaccines are considered to be very safe for those who are healthy. In fact, one of the very first vaccines, the smallpox vaccine, was a live-virus vaccine.

    Due to widespread vaccination, the last natural case of smallpox occurred in 1977 (there was a case due to a laboratory accident in 1978) and the disease was declared to be eradicated worldwide in 1979.

    Examples of Live Vaccines
    Live vaccines include:4

    MMR: The combination measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine
    Vavivax: The varicella or chicken pox vaccine
    Proquad: A combination of MMR and Varivax
    RotaTeq and Rotarix: Rotavirus vaccines
    Flumist: The nasal spray flu vaccine (the flu shot is an inactivated vaccine)
    Yellow fever vaccine: An attenuated, live virus vaccine recommended for travelers to high-risk areas
    Adenovirus vaccine: A live-virus vaccine that protects against type 4 and type 7 adenovirus, approved only for military personnel
    Typhoid vaccine: The oral typhoid vaccine is made with a live-attenuated strain of Salmonella typhi, the bacteria which causes typhoid fever. An inactivated, injectable version of the vaccine is also available. Either typhoid vaccine would only be given to travelers to high-risk areas.
    BCG: The bacilli Calmette-Guerin tuberculosis vaccine is not routinely used in the United States because it mainly prevents severe TB, a disease uncommon in the United States.
    Smallpox vaccine: Not routinely used since 1972, but is available from stockpiles if it is needed

    Oral polio vaccine (OPV): The original OPV (Sabin vaccine) was a live vaccine and has been replaced in the United States by the inactivated polio vaccine (Salk vaccine). Prior to using the injectable polio vaccine, there were a few cases of polio each year in the United States felt to be due to the vaccine.
    The live virus vaccines that are used routinely include the MMR, Varivax, Rotavirus, and Flumist (the injectable flu shot is preferred for those who are high risk).

    Contraindications
    Although live vaccines don't cause disease because they are made with weakened viruses and bacteria, there is always a concern that someone with a severely weakened immune system could get sick after getting one. That is why live vaccines are not given to people getting chemotherapy or who have severe HIV, among other conditions.2


    Whether or not you give a live vaccine to someone with an immune system problem depends greatly on exactly what condition they have and the degree of their immunosuppression. For example, it is now recommended that children with HIV get the MMR, Varivax, and rotavirus vaccines, depending on their CD4+ T-lymphocyte counts.

    Vaccine Shedding
    Parents sometimes have a concern about whether their healthy children should get live vaccines if they will be exposed to someone else who has a problem with their immune system, especially if they are in close contact with someone that has compromised immunity.

    Except for OPV and smallpox (which aren't typically used), children who live with someone who has an immune deficiency can and should get most vaccines in the childhood immunization schedule (MMR, Varivax, and the rotavirus vaccines). It would be extremely rare for someone to contract one of these viruses from someone who got the vaccine.

    A much greater concern than live vaccine shedding of a weakened strain would be that the unvaccinated child might get a natural infection with measles or chickenpox and pass that on to a person with an immune system problem.

    Read more here.
    https://www.verywellhealth.com/live-...edding-2633700
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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Of course there is shedding, that is the whole idea of the shot.

    It alters the DNA and tricks the cells into producing antibodies against the spike protein on the virus cell wall. Some of those antibodies end up being shed during normal breathing.

    But the gene altering concoction shot into the arm does not shed because it cannot survive in ambient temperatures and has no route out of the body before being taken up by the recipient's system.
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    Thank you so much for this article on the traditional vaccine types. It is useful to have this context here, in order to see in what ways this modern mRNA method compares and differs.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    That is a very thought-provoking reply; thank you ever so much for that!

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Probably a question for a virologist, microbiologist or someone who has spent years developing vaccines. Perhaps we have someone qualified of the forum to give us some informed facts.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    I recall that this was discussed by a medical professional in one of the many videos that have been posted here in Avalon on the subject in the past year. I do not recall exactly which part of the vaccine they were speaking about, but they were regarding it with some concern.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    That really would be fantastic. There are so many different types of scenarios possible, ranging from things like sharing bathroom facilities, to blood transfusions and organ donations in quite a different league.

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Oh, that is interesting. I've not been able to do quite as much research as I would have liked to so far, but that is a good starting point, thank you!

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Nick. That's the problem in so many disciplines these days. The experts cannot be trusted and because you can always find an 'expert' who supports your own views. There is no consensus on anything nowadays.

    Everything is about profit, and keeping the share holders happy. Truth is whatever makes the most money. In an environment like that nothing is certain.

    Watch how I cannot even talk about 'medicine' without using their appropriated words. Or 'health care'. We don have health care, we have sick care - totally different thing entirely. And how is medicine synonymous with health? Medicine is drugs, which you take when you are sick not when you are healthy...

    It is the same with so many areas of study. Words have been twisted to mean something other than its intended meaning. So you have 'free' energy, because the most important aspect of energy is not how efficient it is but how much it costs - how much profit it represents.

    The other aspect of this is how those in seats of authority in various disciplines use sophistication to obscure the fact that there is very little they actually know, and to hide the fact that much of their work relies on very many untested assumptions - the testing of which would throw them out of business due to the number of assumptions that would be proven false.

    This is especially true in virology and vaccinations.

    Like much of the modern world, its priorities are those things which are expedient and which can generate instant profit.

    There was a time when truth was a coveted prize, and our higher learning centers were involved in that pursuit. Now they just spew propaganda and radicalize our children.

    The truth has been reduced to whatever authorities tell us it is. But even they are torn about what that truth should be...

    That is why it is best to arm oneself with one's own truth, well researched and vetted, and subject to change. It is just as valid as that of the 'authorities'. Often times it is far far better.
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    Nick. That's the problem in so many disciplines these days. The experts cannot be trusted and because you can always find an 'expert' who supports your own views. There is no consensus on anything nowadays.

    Everything is about profit, and keeping the share holders happy. Truth is whatever makes the most money. In an environment like that nothing is certain.

    Watch how I cannot even talk about 'medicine' without using their appropriated words. Or 'health care'. We don have health care, we have sick care - totally different thing entirely. And how is medicine synonymous with health? Medicine is drugs, which you take when you are sick not when you are healthy...

    It is the same with so many areas of study. Words have been twisted to mean something other than its intended meaning. So you have 'free' energy, because the most important aspect of energy is not how efficient it is but how much it costs - how much profit it represents.

    The other aspect of this is how those in seats of authority in various disciplines use sophistication to obscure the fact that there is very little they actually know, and to hide the fact that much of their work relies on very many untested assumptions - the testing of which would throw them out of business due to the number of assumptions that would be proven false.

    This is especially true in virology and vaccinations.

    Like much of the modern world, its priorities are those things which are expedient and which can generate instant profit.

    There was a time when truth was a coveted prize, and our higher learning centers were involved in that pursuit. Now they just spew propaganda and radicalize our children.

    The truth has been reduced to whatever authorities tell us it is. But even they are torn about what that truth should be...

    That is why it is best to arm oneself with one's own truth, well researched and vetted, and subject to change. It is just as valid as that of the 'authorities'. Often times it is far far better.
    Coming from an engineering background I can assure you that there are plenty of experts that can be trusted. I don't see why my branch of science should be different to any other.

    If everyone arms themselves in their "own truth", and the is no consensus, society collapses. There are recent examples of what that can lead to that cannot be overlooked.

    Unlike some people, I don't see a conspiracy up every lamp post. Just maybe one in 100!

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    Default Re: Can a 'vaccinated' person pass on a jab ingredient to an unvaccinated person?

    Tech advances are not subject to false claims in the same way as medical claims are, for example. A tech gadget has to work, you can't lie about that. But you can lie about a gene therapy by using a false positive testing regime that can be and is dialed up and down as required to advance the agenda.

    In science, what can be manipulated is the direction in which science advances. If it is an area of interest, money is thrown at it. If it is an area that is being kept occulted, it will be defunded, debunked, and defamed. One such area, and one of your favorites, is weather modification. All countries are doing it but no country will admit to it publicly. It can be argued whether they are spraying but word is leaking out how, for instance, China has been using modification techniques for decades.

    The reason knowledge is actively managed is because of money. Follow the money and you quickly find the culprits, the likely perpetrators. It always comes back to 'follow the money'.

    And in our world the money leads to Central banks and the Fed. From there it branches out to the protectors of that money: Wall Street, multi-national corporations, Big Tech, Big Pharma, globalists, the CCP, and the UN.

    We need to closely examine these edifices, these monopoly players, to see if they are following the science or if they are following an agenda that might not be in the best interest of the common man, or woman.

    I am convinced that if such an effort were to be mounted it would quickly become evident that much of our endeavors have been high-jacked to line the pockets of our masters.

    Central banks impose great hardships on all debtor nations. Wall Street inflates its assets and controls the price of commodities. Corporations cater to their investors at the expense of the population at large. Big Tech gives us gadgets we don't need. Big Pharma siphons massive amounts of public money into a few dead end campaigns for a handful of ailments, virtually ignoring anything else: heart disease, artificial limbs and joints, transplants, and cancer. Globalists steer us towards removal of national borders, color revolutions, centralized control of everything, and the homogeneously androgynous future of the human race. The CCP sends out millions of spies to infiltrate every nation and every corporation for its own nefarious ends. And the UN attempts to circumvent the authority of sovereign nations.

    If we were to unpack the actual priorities of these institutions we would discover that none of them have our best interests at heart and that none of them have been furthering the causes they publicly claim to advance.

    We have been duped. Private, for profit, institutions always have vested interests that do not align with the public good - ever! We would be well advised to set up investigations into all these areas of public concern. Those in power must be toppled and those that have been marginalized by those individuals must be brought to the fore to be heard. They are the ones with the actual advances for the good of humanity but they have been silenced.

    I could go on but I think the main gist has been addressed.
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