Aliens or Demons?

[Lunesoleil]

Posted by Journeyman (here)
It's a big subject and maybe impossible to answer so I wanted to narrow it down. Avalon is the place where 'science and spirituality meet' so are there methods, either scientific or spiritual, which we could use to see through any deception and understand whether we're being contacted by genuine travellers from afar, or if there's something darker at work?

I was interested in the subject of Atlantis by the asteroid "Atlantis" its code 1198 and the readings of Edgar Cayce.
There are also the Surveys by Pascal Cascarino on YouTube, but it is in French and under hypnosis, or the videos Elisabeth de Caligny, a specialist in Ufology.
Oumuamua an asteroid or an Alien ship, is in the news today, ...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M_4n9QKEQ_g

[pabranno]

Journeyman,
That was a great summation. Thank you for taking the time and effort.

Pamela

[mojo]

yes Journey I can concur with pabranno and glad you are a member...

[Patient]

If we take into account the theory (or it could be fact) that the two powerful ET races (Mantids vs Reptilians?), are capable of shapeshifting and imitating each other to the point of creating a difficult stalemate between them for control and manipulation. Then the question of "Demon or Alien" becomes even more difficult.

Personally, I believe that both Aliens and Demons exist. When you acknowledge the mind and tech prowess that both could have and/or obtain, the truth of any given experience could be in question as to whether it was one or the other falsely representing itself based upon reading the mind of it's victim to manipulate them to any intended outcome.

Let's strip away the misrepresentation of the entity and say it appears and acts true to its identity. Now simply based upon the person's own belief system, education and experiences, an Alien could be interpreted as a Demon and vice versa. One small detail could influence the person's perception. Smell, appearance of entity and/or surroundings - all would influence as persons' recall as to what it was they were in contact with and it's motives.

If I look at my own experiences, a demon could have represented itself as an ET just to mess with my emotions, perception and future actions. An ET could have shown care and compassion to hide an evil agenda or it could have acted like a demon (reading my mind to discover my fears) for a certain motive.

[TomKat]

Posted by Patient (here)
If we take into account the theory (or it could be fact) that the two powerful ET races (Mantids vs Reptilians?), are capable of shapeshifting and imitating each other to the point of creating a difficult stalemate between them for control and manipulation. Then the question of "Demon or Alien" becomes even more difficult.

Personally, I believe that both Aliens and Demons exist. When you acknowledge the mind and tech prowess that both could have and/or obtain, the truth of any given experience could be in question as to whether it was one or the other falsely representing itself based upon reading the mind of it's victim to manipulate them to any intended outcome.

Let's strip away the misrepresentation of the entity and say it appears and acts true to its identity. Now simply based upon the person's own belief system, education and experiences, an Alien could be interpreted as a Demon and vice versa. One small detail could influence the person's perception. Smell, appearance of entity and/or surroundings - all would influence as persons' recall as to what it was they were in contact with and it's motives.

If I look at my own experiences, a demon could have represented itself as an ET just to mess with my emotions, perception and future actions. An ET could have shown care and compassion to hide an evil agenda or it could have acted like a demon (reading my mind to discover my fears) for a certain motive.

I've wondered if aliens are ET demons? Because I've had experience with Earth demons, and they aren't technologically oriented at all, just hyper-intelligent, mischievous and amoral characters who like to mess with humans. But maybe other planets have demons that developed technology?

[pabranno]

I was wondering if anyone had viewed in slow motion the SuperBowl performance of Beyonce 2013.
I didn't believe it till I tried it.
I stopped/started in half/seconds through the entire performance as posted on YouTube.
Attention to mins 5:15, 7:54, 10:13, 10:48-51.
I don't know what/who I'm looking at.
Would appreciate opinions.
It has always startled me.

Thanks, guys.
Pamela

[Journeyman]

Posted by pabranno (here)
I was wondering if anyone had viewed in slow motion the SuperBowl performance of Beyonce 2013.
I didn't believe it till I tried it.
I stopped/started in half/seconds through the entire performance as posted on YouTube.
Attention to mins 5:15, 7:54, 10:13, 10:48-51.
I don't know what/who I'm looking at.
Would appreciate opinions.
It has always startled me.

Thanks, guys.
Pamela

Hi Pamela,

I don't pretend to be an expert but I'll give it a go Without having a link I don't think your time references will necessarily match up with the file I found:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=suIg9kTGBVI

I'm also not wanting to expose myself to watching any more of it tonight as I think it's corrosive and maybe draining. Having said that, I've seen some of the likely clips before and given the matter some thought. So on a more general note...

The alarming moments where it looks like the mask is slipping and we're seeing a glimpse of something else behind, I'd only be speculating, so let's leave that to one side. Sometimes I worry that sort of thing is allowed/put in there as a way of discrediting some of the other stuff that's definitely going on. You are in any case looking at someone who trades in deception. Not just the odd little fib, this is a person whose entire life is founded on a deception from which they derive spiritual power. It's a form of hiding in plain sight popular amongst the top ranks of the entertainment world, politics and the aristocracy. There's some physical clues you can look for and once seen they can provide an insight, but again, let's leave that to one side.

Beyonce at the 'Superb Owl' is fulfilling the role of a priestess of an ancient deity conducting a mass ritual, disguised, in plain view, as a pop star performing a music set. The set design, costumes, dance movements, rhythm and choice of music, all can be analysed and related to ancient ceremonies and festivities. There are some very perceptive Youtube commentators that do this, although several of them have been shut down recently.

The recent 'Black is King' movie got massive promotion and again I think this has a double meaning, as so much of the occult referencing does. I think it refers to Kali 'She who is Black'. At other times I think Beyonce and the other 'elite' performers are celebrating Cybele, or Inanna, or Ashtar or another and really they're all different avatars of the same thing.



See also:

Beyonce as Grand High Priestess of the Illuminati


This has some of the occult references in other performances:

Follow the thread for a lot more like that, credit to VigilantCitizen and others for their work.

I can't say I know if Cathy is right, but over time I've concluded that I should avoid as much of Beyonce's work as possible. A talented individual, but there's a coldness to the energy I pick up from the music and videos.

[pabranno]

Thank you Journeyman. I really do appreciate it.
And I agree, it is an ancient energy. Interesting connection with the ancient ceremonies.
Things get powerfully deep when I perceive that connection.
When I first viewed years ago, I believed I was looking into the face of a demon. That's what demons must look like.
But as I have learned in this and the Collins thread, and as Patient intimated, there are so many layers.
If only it were that simple: this one is good, that one is bad.
I've been doing some de-polarization lately
Thank you all for the input on this thread.
Pamela

[mojo]

Hope this will help others like Journeyman. My spirituality increased after the initial encounter in 2009. But I still tell others there is a risk and never to consider the same ETs are visiting them.

edit: info to be more to the point...lol