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    Default Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

    Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

    I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

    BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

    How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

    At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
    I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

    Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
    I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

    We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

    Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

    thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

    Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

    I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

    BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

    How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

    At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
    I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

    Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
    I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

    We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

    Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

    thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.
    It's just his biased opinion, and he has a conflict of interest -- earns his living by towing the Pharma line.
    You know what Mark Twain said about opinions?
    “You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”….

    Ask him some other questions, such as "my friend might have prostate cancer, should he get a biopsy? (correct answer 'no' because biopsy often spreads the cancer).

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Vaccines in general have worked for other diseases, that has been proven historically. Whether this vaccines works (well enough), is a different matter. It's important to make the distinction.

    I do not believe every person on this planet with a medical degree is "in on it". They base their judgment on the reliability of proven effectiveness of vaccines in the past. "Other vaccines have worked, so this one must work too", basically. And if you're not 'woke' as they call it nowadays, you have no reason to distrust that I suppose.

    Personally, I will not take the vaccine. Not because I think I will die if I get one, but simply because I don't need it.

    I've seen posts about arguing with family members who want to take the vaccine. I don't really get that. I can only assume they feel the same anger about their family members smoking, or drinking too much. I would argue smoking kills way more people than any vaccine will ever do, yet I don't see any threads on this forum about fights with family members over smoking.

    I won't think any less of someone who will take the vaccine. We have to accept that other people make different choices. Live and let live, let everyone make their own choice. Isn't that what we all want and what we're fighting for?

    And, on the larger topic of getting reliable information: Nobody knows everything about everything. We all pick and choose what we want to learn more about. We all find different things important and we all find different things interesting. Some of my friends don't have any interest in some of the things I feel are the most important issues in our lifetime. And that's ok

    You'll get conflicting reports from random people on the internet on just about any subject. When you have a real conversation with someone, I think that's when you can tell whether or not someone really knows what they're talking about, or if they're just repeating something they read somewhere.

    By no means foolproof, but speaking for myself, I can usually tell pretty quickly when someone is bull****ting or when someone knows their ****.
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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Perhaps the distinction is not intelligence, but outside-the-box thinking.
    That, I think, has always been a rarity in our world, and is generally not encouraged by societies.
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Daneon

    My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
    im not a virologist, so I dont know.

    And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    In my mind it is very simple. It is not a vaccine, because it doesn't have any itsy-bitsy part of Covid-19 in it, and legally cannot be called a "vaccine". So it's a brand-new gene therapy, and the recipients are becoming genetically-modified organisms, or GMOs. Everyone, including your doctor friend is being genetically modified. So who might own their bodies after that, then? What does the piece of paper say that they must sign to get this 'vaccine'? Can somebody print it out and publish it on Avalon? I bet that will be interesting.

    Furthermore, we all know that there has never been a vaccine created for the common cold, which is just another type of corona virus. So why not? And the last time that a vaccine was created for the first version of Sars, of which Covid-19 is about 70 percent identical, we know the ferrets did fine through the first and second shots, but then most died when exposed to the natural virus. So I believe that's what we are gonna see here too. Sorry, but in your mind you might need to say goodbye to your friends who take this risk.
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    If you are interested in someone else's opinion, I have decided that I am going to wait for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine even though its effectivity is significantly less. I am not going to take the 2 mRNA vaccines that are currently available in the US because there are simply too many unknowns associated with them. The mRNA vaccines are based on new technology and I don't believe they really know what the long term effects are. In terms of health profile, I am in my early 60s and have 3 comorbidities which makes me highly susceptible to covid.
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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Vaccines,

    If they were not being used by the Gates/Fauci ilk to depopulate the Earth to the tone of billions
    of lives I would be less suspicious.

    Why does that not ring a loud bell in the minds of the people
    world wide is what I can not understand.

    My suspicion is that "they" the afore mentioned are a part of the off planet
    entities who have been unseen in the manipulation of humans from our beginnings.

    Very possibly, we humans were before Adam and Eve, created by the Anannaki (sp).
    They have not been here visibly but claim Earth as theirs. We have been here visibly
    in real time as we know it and have a real claim to Earth.

    They have more power in certain ways but so do we. Be aware as much as you can so they
    do not beat us by our being ignorant of our reality.
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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Information without inspiration is just that...information.

    We value information over inspiration. I can't remember who said that but it was really on point.

    There are 21 keys to inspiration. When we are inspired, the light gets switched on inside us and we can be a beacon of light for others.

    The key to being and staying inspired is gratitude. Gratitude develops into gratefulness, then Inspirations flow.

    And how do we cultivate gratitude? Through beauty, goodness and freedom.

    I was inspired to start a new thread with the title, "why should that bother you" but I may as well share this here.

    One day, in the presence of a spiritual master, I was complaining about something.

    The spiritual master sternly looked at me and said, "Why should that bother you? Mind your own business!". If you have ever been in the presence of a spiritual master, their eyes are piercing.

    How I interpreted what was shared by the spiritual master was that when something bothers us, it is because any one of the aspects of our beings are out of balance.

    There are twelve aspects to our being. If, for example, I was to inhale the fumes of a motor vehicle, it could be enough to poison me and affect me neurologically. If it affected a neurological aspect of my being, it can alter the biochemistry aspect of my being which could then cause an imbalance in the blood chemistry which could then create an emotional imbalance.

    So if something bothers us, we cannot take ourselves seriously or personally until we can pinpoint exactly within ourselves what created the imbalance. This is where we need to mind our own business and just get on with putting back what is missing from our own lives.

    When we are connected to the intuitive process; when we can maintain SESSION (stillness, emptiness, silence, solitude, inwardness and openness to the nature of life), we can know what, when, where, how, why and who to restore harmony and respond to the world from a conscious point - and we can have peace no matter what is going on in the world.

    Just to add to this, when we know what we ultimately want in this life, we just need to get on with it and focus all of our attention there. The world has nothing to offer us.

    If we were to make a list of everything that we ultimately want to experience in this life and then just do that and that alone, we would be heading towards fulfilling our highest potential.


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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Lack of truth has reached dangerous levels, by design

    As I understand viruses are not necessarily our enemy and serve to update our microbiome systems as well as rid us of toxins. A unwell toxic body has a strong adverse reaction to viruses.

    History shows me that the very same agenda playing out today was used to sell other vaccines. Get your Polio vaccine today, protect yourself, your family and others. We must achieve mass take up to prevent further outbreaks bla la bla.

    The Polio vaccine administered in the 1950’s actually contained the SV40 hereditary cancer virus which governments did not admit for 10 years – how many deaths was this responsible for – millions perhaps.

    Knowing this there is no way I or my family will touch this or any vaccine for that matter. Nano technology is extremely advanced so who’s knows what surprises may be built in. Ten years from now is 2030 (Agenda 2030)

    Some scientist and doctors have claimed this vaccine could be a type of binary weapon where a part two pathogen could trigger a reaction. People have short memories, by 2030 everyone will have forgotten about these events.

    I hope I’m wrong but I cannot ever trust the Crown rulers and corrupt establishment

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Daneon

    My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
    im not a virologist, so I dont know.

    And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.
    At 67, the vaccine is a much bigger threat to your life than covid is.

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    I make a point of listening to the doctors that aren't allowed to speak in the mainstream such as these two.

    DR SHERRI TENPENNY: CURRENT OUTLOOK ON 2021! (FULL VIDEO JANUARY 7, 2021)
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/HsoaftPNOsMe/

    Dr Lee Merrit - V Interview 2021
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...1&&FORM=VRDGAR


    I know a doctor and I can't even get him to look at those videos. He just says you can always find a doctor who will say what you want to hear. I know someone whose brother is a doctor. She can't get him to watch those videos either. I suppose it would be career suicide for them if they started advocating those positions.


    This video is about 9/11 but it shows the position that professionals are in.

    9/11 and the Academic Community
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUiX4o-HMoI
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?....ty&FORM=HDRSC3
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/nekt69WhlBwF/


    It must be awful to have to maintain a lie to keep your career.

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    TomKat/ thats an opinion I happen to agree with you on, but still an opinion. No one knows. No one really knows.

    Cosmored/ exactly , your point being my point. How is it that there is such a casm in the truth of this. There is no way to get a reliable unbiased bit of concreate fact and evidence on this. we are left on our own to believe this or that.

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    Default Re: Reliable information, a real crisis in today's world

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?

    Why be someone who hears information reported by government, professionals or experts in their field and then chooses to believe it is incorrect or purposefully misleading?

    I dont want to be this. I don't want to burn up endless hours of my life being a person that thinks this way as some sort of game , hobby or addiction.

    BUT RELIABLE INFORMATION IS IN A CRISIS.

    How can we know? where can we find out? how can we be sure? There seems to always be an agenda, with spin to support that agenda

    At hockey today our goalie, also a brain surgeon talked to me for half hour about the vaccine being safe and a good thing.
    I can trust him. I know him for years. He got the phiezer jab , so did his entire family without hesitation. He said the benefits far out weigh any downside of getting covid or illness.

    Any counterpoint i brought up he calmly dismissed as overblown hype bad news and incorrect.
    I believe he believes this. Do I take this as sound advice from a professional? Just his opinion? Willfully steering me wrong? what?

    We are all at each others throats today because we cannot get informed consent.

    Are there any Doctors, medical people on this forum that would be willing to give an opinion, lend support that the vaccine being a good thing?

    thanks, sorry if i seem a bit crazed, but I am.
    It's just his biased opinion, and he has a conflict of interest -- earns his living by towing the Pharma line.
    You know what Mark Twain said about opinions?
    “You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”….

    Ask him some other questions, such as "my friend might have prostate cancer, should he get a biopsy? (correct answer 'no' because biopsy often spreads the cancer).
    You will arrive at the most appropriate conclusions for your own life, seeking to compare your opinions with others will only confuse you. What we are trying to achieve is 'Critical Thinking', not perverse oppositional refusal for the sake of it.
    As a Baby Boomer I was vaccinated at birth with the big Diphtheria/Whooping cough/Tetanus combo - I also had the Polio (Salk) later on at primary school, and I had the Smallpox vaccine prior to arriving in Australia in 1970.

    All of these vaccines were 100% tested, and solid viral agents which conferred immunity, and broke transmission potential. I am grateful for these vaccines and have no problem with having been given them.
    I caught 'Mumps', 'german Measles' and 'Chickenpox' later on- in fact I had Chicken Pox at the age of 24, not pleasant, but I recovered perfectly well under my own immune response.

    These Covid vaccines are a very different kind of treatment: the Pfizer Messenger RNA offers no immunity, nor does it break transmission.

    However, the illness itself has a recovery rate of 99.7% for those who are healthy, and under the age of 80; much like a heavy cold or influenza. Those who are already sick, or weakened with great age are more likely to develop complications and pneumonia, they can die from these complications.

    The Deaths from 'ALL CAUSES' number for 2020 was no different to the mean average for previous years over the past decade, and further: each year a certain number of people die, this was no different despite the alleged pandemic. Why?
    Where has Influenza ddisappeared to --the normally expected deaths from Flu have totally vanished for 2020/2021?
    Medical doctors are very often completely sold on the mainstream medical paradigm, they are no more qualified than intelligent people who research the topic: ever noticed your GP using Google in the consult?
    We defer to experts, but who underwrites the experts?
    As I said, you must make your own choice, but don't be afraid to ask the difficult questions, and don;t shrink from disagreeing with doctors, they are human beings who have learned from information: you have access to all information, you must look for it though and not just accept the first few results in searches.
    I am nearly 63, I have not had a cold, or Flu for over 10 years, I am not getting this Faux vaccine, because I do not agree with the technology behind it, this is not a 'traditional vaccine' and the manufacturers tell you this on their websites. I don't want it, I would prefer my body to deal with this minor respiratory virus on its own terms.
    I have attached an analysis of the vaccines by a top shelf virologist for your information.
    Here are very recent opinions concerning the vaccines from medical doctors who are prevented from speaking with you on mainstream media: https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blo...id19-vaccines/
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    We were being lied to about vaccines before the covid crisis arrived.
    http://www.houseofpolitics.com/threa...ovement.20574/

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    WHO, GAVI, Bill & Melinda Gates, and others are partially responsible for the production and distribution of these vaccines, there is also independent developers in the game, for what I understood not all companies has strings attached to WHO right now (it may change in the future). In Southeast Asia all countries made a deal with WHO to receive, distribute and report back to WHO about any side effects from vaccines in their countries, Thailand is the only one outside of this block, countries like Camboja and Laos qualified for free vaccines, but Thailand not, they are dealing with independent companies in China and Russia for what I heard from the public announcement of the PM, because they need the first dose ASAP, until their own production be able to supply the country and probably other countries around Southeast Asia. He said something about not agreeing with the time frame to distribution, and also dislike the fact the payment must be upfront (LOL), and Thailand also via transfer of technology is already developing the vaccines in the country which is causing a lot of concerns in the congress, because the company behind it ( https://www.siambioscience.com/?lang=en ) is owned by H.M. the King.

    It is a big game, big money like Rush sang

    "..Big money goes around the world
    Big money underground
    Big money got a mighty voice
    Big money make no sound
    Big money pull a million strings
    Big money hold the prize
    Big money weave a mighty web
    Big money draw the flies.."

    I have a good MD friend in Brazil and he took the vaccine weeks ago, the vaccine in question is CoronaVac (chinese if I am not wrong), so far he got no side effects, I did talk with his wife just 2 days ago, one thing I would like to share here, my friend is actively working for a public hospital and also he is an academic scientist and working on development of natural medicines based on herbs/plants for decades now, he has a great understand of vaccines, but he is not a virologist, when I asked what is the parts (ingredients to say so) that compose all these vaccines, he first felt very uncomfortable in give me a response, after all he said it is a mRNA and he doesn't know exactly what is inside the payload(instructions) that is injected in the body in order to invade(hack) the cells. As I do not want to look weirdo and bombard him with many questions, I won't ask anything else to upset him, he is also my friend and he respect people's decision in taking or not taking vaccines, and he doesn't want really talk about it, by the way his family is not taking the vaccine, he took alone otherwise he was facing to lose his job.

    Here is the information we can find everywhere in any CDC across the world.
    "..Once the instructions are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them..."
    "..scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine."

    My question for any scientist is: Could you please elaborate in details what are those mRNA instructions to build the unique spike proteins?
    I guess it is patented technology and nobody will ever know the answer. Unless there is transparency, just like an open source code for software, I will never take any vaccines from now on, specially because they want to use mRNA vaccines to treat all imaginable deceases out there, naming a few: SARS-CoV-2, flu, Zika, rabies, cytomegalovirus,..

    Those driven by money and power they will never care about people, they are doing it for wealth accumulation and power (pure selfishness). By the way companies exist for profit not for charity, specially in the big pharma world.

    The MSM just play their role to make people believe and pretend that everything is fine and under control, illusion at best, just shut the TeeVee off and the problem is over, when media realize that their is no audience, they can't communicate their agenda, what are they going to do?
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?
    The first half:

    Because you have self confidence, self respect and an appreciation for the time it took you to come to the conclusions and understandings you have reached.

    I dunno about all those labels you put in the last 2/3rds.... (I'm mostly focused on the 1st two words).
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    Daneon

    My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
    im not a virologist, so I dont know.

    And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.

    They WILL say that - at the moment in the UK it's in the first gung ho stage where people for the last 6 weeks or so have been getting the vaccination and are happy about it - talking about it and supporting each other with encouraging remarks - it's a main topic of conversation -

    of course as we are in lockdown (I don't even like to use that word - the L word..) there is hardly any mixing but when you have a dog and get out everyday there are other dog walkers it can be conducive to having a little chat (people shopping aren't in the same frame of mind to chat..)

    well - people - some who I know a bit or quite well (like a neighbour for example)....it's like 'have you had the vaccine yet?'.... 'I'm getting mine tomorrow'..... 'I haven't had the letter yet' etc etc ...then someone might say to me - 'have you had yours yet?' and when I just say..........'No I'm not having it'.............they look at me with curious confused shock - a lack of comprehension that anyone might not be clamoring to have it - I put them out of their misery by saying something like - I've already had the virus at the end of 2019 so I'm pretty sure I've got immunity... I'm now adding to that when necessary - 'I know they say there are mutations but these vaccines don't cover mutations anyway and I feel confident that I have a level of immunity..'

    This I think is better than saying - 'well I've found out that the vaccine programme is designed to basically do the opposite to what you think and will probably help to kill you when you come into contact with the virus further down the line -'

    They would think I was completely crazy (well most would but there are the exceptions)

    Anyway I could go on but what I'm getting round to saying that it won't be long before many people start believing and saying the same things about vaccines that they do about masks now... and the pressure will be on to conform...
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Daneon

    My friend isnt B, essing me, he is just telling me what he has read in the medical journals he reads as well as a doctor/surgeon. so now do we believe those journals and papers ?
    im not a virologist, so I dont know.

    And my feeling is, I dont need it as well. But they may say, its for the good of everyone that you get it.
    At 67, the vaccine is a much bigger threat to your life than covid is.

    I 100% believe this - what people are not encouraged to talk about are the ways that the virus can be prevented or cured -

    because this would undermine the vaccine programme that is central to depopulation and the transhuman future that the fascist elite have planned -

    Perhaps talking about the alternative to vaccines would be a good strategy in conversations about vaccines?

    edit to add....

    like bringing up the subject of Ivermectin for example ?

    saw this yesterday -



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    News Roundup | Belgian Virologist Proposes Plan to Eradicate COVID-19 in 6 Weeks Using Ivermectin
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Why be, or why choose to be a conspiracy theorist or alt thinker ?
    The first half:

    Because you have self confidence, self respect and an appreciation for the time it took you to come to the conclusions and understandings you have reached.

    I dunno about all those labels you put in the last 2/3rds.... (I'm mostly focused on the 1st two words).
    I get that as trusting your senses. Lets say for example; covid right from the start I already knew it was a scam while other people are still searching for more info trying to connect the dots. How did I know? I look for dead bodies , increase in funeral activities, listen for families wiped out by the disease. I use my own senses. I did not rely on any outside "reliable sources". the crisis is in our self confidence. We gave it away to authorities by faith. In every subject always look for something verifiable by own senses. Anything that does not agree with it I immediately dismiss anything that agrees I keep. Its a lot easier to connect the dots this way. I have confidence in my senses more than a million outside sources.
    Vaccines? who's behind them? what are these people?
    Someone wrote this "Vaccines in general have worked for other diseases", May I ask what is your reference for saying so? Is it publish scientific studies or your own experience.
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