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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    My husband is older than me and planning to retire in a couple of years. We often talk about where to move to in terms of cost-of-living and vibe. I would love to live in India and my husband keeps suggesting Vietnam! I'd also love to live in the country side, self-sufficiently and free from the State's clutches!

    But I guess, a top criteria is spiritual vibe and NO VACCINE!!! I'll consider anywhere that doesn't make people have a vaccine or make them suffer if they don't.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    The folks on this site have a newsletter which covers many South American countries :

    https://vivatropical.com/books-reports
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    Quote Posted by chrifri (here)
    Quote Posted by Mark/Rahkyt (here)
    I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, Iím pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

    When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasnít planning on coming back. I was ďcalledĒ to return in early 2013. After all Iíve been through the past few years, Iím not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean Iíve done what Iím supposed to do.

    We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where Iím drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.
    Hi Mark
    Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
    One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.
    I don't mind.

    Considering the nature of the Great Britain, South Africa and now the California variants of the coronavirus that are considered to be not only more contagious but more deadly, it's looking more and more like the earliest version of Covid-19 was just a warm-up, or this thing is just so canny it is figuring out how to evolve better than any other virus ever. My friend has talked about the health climate down there in regards to the rona but she has underlying conditions and so is cautious by nature. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that Uruguay, perhaps for not-so-obvious reasons.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by samsdice (here)
    The folks on this site have a newsletter which covers many South American countries :
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    The above link directs to a free ebook download.
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    (P.S. I refrained from embedding as PDF since this ebook has 229 pages and I don't like you having to scroll here thru all those pages. )

    (2nd P.S. Cuenca, Ecuador is listed in that ebook on place 2 out of 57)
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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Maybe a good suggestion for anyone thinking of moving to another country or location,
    is go and try for a year or two.
    There is so much information on many countries and all the aspects to take into account,
    but living and being there gives us a greater understanding.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by Stephanie (here)
    Maybe a good suggestion for anyone thinking of moving to another country or location,
    is go and try for a year or two.
    There is so much information on many countries and all the aspects to take into account,
    but living and being there gives us a greater understanding.
    Another good idea is to learn the language of the country. It will make your life much easier. Remember that every country has it's issues.
    "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.Ē William Blake

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    I've been living in Costa Rica for 23 years now. One or two comments I can make about the above comments.
    Ecuador is very very hot. Unless you live in the city (Quito), which is so high your nose bleeds, literally. So if you like it hot, and we are talking equator here, then go for it.
    Panama has a very high rate of Covid at the present. It is also where all of the Africans and Syrians land and then begin their over-land trek into the USA. Positive strains of the new Africanized version are there and at least two have died of it, recently in Panama. Also, their news is extremely controlled - I was there when they overturned cars and set them and buildings on fire, with AK-47s shooting, and it never even made the local paper. This is to protect against the loss of the economic tourism and money-launderers of high calibre who frequent there.
    Costa Rica has among the top in medical care in the region. We have US trained doctors, competent surgeons, and the total cost for complete medical and drugs for the month is about $50.
    Both Panama and Costa Rica have large numbers of English speakers. I was last in Quito about 10 years ago so I can not comment on their percentage of English speakers. I am bi-lingual and don't care, but many would.
    It's not for everyone - south of the border I mean, but it can have its advantages. Costs are lower, life if simpler, and they do not make you take the shot, at least not here in Costa Rica.

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    Quote Posted by Mark/Rahkyt (here)
    Quote Posted by chrifri (here)
    Quote Posted by Mark/Rahkyt (here)
    I hear good things about Panama. I have a good friend and Ex-Patriot who has lived there now a few years. She started in Costs Rica for a year of so but found Panama more to her liking. Knowing her and myself, Iím pretty sure we share many of the same considerations.

    When I left the states and moved to Canada in 2010, I wasnít planning on coming back. I was ďcalledĒ to return in early 2013. After all Iíve been through the past few years, Iím not feeling that call as strongly as I did anymore. Which might mean Iíve done what Iím supposed to do.

    We will see what happens next, but Central and South America are where Iím drawn to, rather than Africa, Europe or Asia.
    Hi Mark
    Panama has many advantages for expats. However regarding Covid, Panama has been and still is very restrictive. If you don't mind wearing masks and total or partial lock downs, Panama is OK. But if you do not like wearing masks etc, better check the actual Covid measures with your friend.
    One of the countries with less restrictive Covid measures in South America (maybe the country with the least restrictive Covid measures, at least in the Southern part) is Uruguay.
    I don't mind.

    Considering the nature of the Great Britain, South Africa and now the California variants of the coronavirus that are considered to be not only more contagious but more deadly, it's looking more and more like the earliest version of Covid-19 was just a warm-up, or this thing is just so canny it is figuring out how to evolve better than any other virus ever. My friend has talked about the health climate down there in regards to the rona but she has underlying conditions and so is cautious by nature. Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought of that Uruguay, perhaps for not-so-obvious reasons.
    As mentioned, Panama has many advantages for expats and if you have a friend in Panama, Panama certainly is worth considering. However, if one considers Panama because of the thread title "......somewhere freer of Covid measures", Panama most probably is not the first choice as the Rona restrictions last year and this year have been severe. I love Panama, lived there many years and even considered moving back to Panama in 2019 (at least to spend most of the year there). But I must say, I am happy not having done so, as I am not the person to be happy if the government tells me that I could leave my place twice a week, within a 3 hour window (as it was the case in Panama in 2020, for a couple of months).

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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    The deserted stunning beaches of Namibia, is just unreal, I once heard it is a surf's paradise with one of the longest waves on earth, more than 2KM in good condition.
    Holy **** that pic is beautiful. I'd have to visit first, but maybe one day we'll be neighbours.

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    The deserted stunning beaches of Namibia, is just unreal, I once heard it is a surf's paradise with one of the longest waves on earth, more than 2KM in good condition.
    Holy **** that pic is beautiful. I'd have to visit first, but maybe one day we'll be neighbours.
    Yeah, I did a little research on Namibia years ago, the expat community there is mainly from Europe, lots of Germans ans Swiss, also lot of South African goes to Namibia for off-road adventures and surf.
    I know someone from my country who lived and worked in Namibia for over 5 years, he was in a military mission and he lived in the desert in a military base, he is a builder and helped to build a small town in Namibia years ago and he told me the wonders of Namibia

    Strat, Are you planing to move to Thailand?
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    No, I was being sarcastic. I was talking about Namibia.

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    No, I was being sarcastic. I was talking about Namibia.
    all right. lol
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    South Korean government does not force Covid-19 vaccine to general public.
    For free society!

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.

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    Quote Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
    Ecuador is very very hot. Unless you live in the city (Quito), which is so high your nose bleeds, literally.
    Well, it only gets hot on the coast at sea level. The climate in most of the country is very mild and comfortable.

    There's an extensive mid-country north-south plateau which is pretty high. I live at 9,000 feet, in a very quiet, pleasant, green rural location ó and there's not the slightest problem with altitude. (No nosebleeds! I don't know a single person who's ever had one. ) Of all the many other places I've lived, it reminds me most of Scotland, but without the snow.

    And I've reported on this in my About Ecuador thread, but there'll be no mandatory vaccinations. That can't and won't happen here. It's practically unenforceable even if they wanted to do it, and the constitution expressly forbids medical intervention without informed consent. Their goal is to try to vaccinate 60% of the population, and they're running at least 6 months behind with the whole thing. (The number vaccinated so far is just 40,000. It's hardly started.)

    I'm not trying to sell moving to Ecuador. As Karen wrote above, every country has its issues. But I do have to say, right now, while my relocation in 2011 was all very unplanned, I'm extremely happy I'm here. Life is pretty much as usual in every way, with businesses and internal travel all operating very normally.

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    Quote Posted by Deborah (ahamkara) (here)
    I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.
    As of yesterday that idea fell flat. They have decided to NOT make it mandatory, because if they did so, under the Costa Rica constitution that would require them to both provide the shots to everyone for free and to pay for any damages or follow up care, and there is nothing in the budget for that. I can confirm that they are not going to make it mandatory, but will offer it to seniors and others who need it, for free. I am not going to take it in any event.

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    Quote Posted by chrifri (here)
    I love Panama, lived there many years and even considered moving back to Panama in 2019 (at least to spend most of the year there). But I must say, I am happy not having done so, as I am not the person to be happy if the government tells me that I could leave my place twice a week, within a 3 hour window (as it was the case in Panama in 2020, for a couple of months).
    That's a pretty hardcore quarantine. Having gone through that rona myself and experiencing the long-Covid symptoms now, I'm a little bit less intense about the whole freedom aspect although I know that a lot of people are all about it. If you live outside of the major cities, perhaps there is more freedom to live?

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by Deborah (ahamkara) (here)
    I believe Costa Rica is making the vax mandatory, as is Sweden. I am in the process of relocating from Pacific Northwest to Florida. Parts of Florida are very free. I can practice yoga there in studio without masks. Lots of people starting self sufficient gardens. If you are in US, there are many places not swept up in the Covid madness. Use your intuition to find a place that resonates.
    Hi, what makes you think it is mandatory in Sweden? I can't find anything on that and I don't think it's possible under their constitution. Also, after their experience with thousands of people and particularly children suffering narcolepsy as a result of the swine flu vaccine in 2009, I cannot imagine the population accepting a mandatory vaccine.

    Good to know about Florida and some other parts of the US. US would be possible for us too.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    My husband, and both my children are Swedish citizens. My husband just returned from Sweden. His brother is very well connected in Stockholm. The momentum for manditory vaccination for travel is gathering.

    Glad to hear about Costa Rica! Such a wonderful country with great people and many protected areas.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

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    My husband, and both my children are Swedish citizens. My husband just returned from Sweden. His brother is very well connected in Stockholm. The momentum for manditory vaccination for travel is gathering.

    Glad to hear about Costa Rica! Such a wonderful country with great people and many protected areas.
    Thanks Deborah. Yes, I read that Sweden wants to implement entry to Sweden either with a negative test or proof of vaccination by June 2021. The EU is also pushing to get a vaccine passport rolled out by summer 2021. Merkel is talking about vaccinating everyone for years to come "because of mutations" and of course in Israel they already have their green passports to go shopping....

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