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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    It is not mandatory to get vaccinated in Brazil, but our Supreme court said that not getting vaccinated can cause consequences such as to be forbidden to go on some public places. Our population is not obbeying sanitary restrictions like social distancing and use of masks but on the other hand we are approaching total collapse of Health Services (public and private health services) in 7 States out of 27 States. With more than 1.000 deaths per day for more than 30 days. We are having 60.000 new infections per day and more than 10 million people have already contract Covid 19. We have 251.000 deaths, I belive we are number 2 in the world in number of deaths and contagion. Our President do not use mask, and says that economy is more important than saving lives. Our vaccination procedures is running on a slow pace, only 6 million people were vaccinated out of a population of 210 million up to now. So if you want a country that is not taking COvid 19 seriously you should head to Brazil. But do not complain if you get sick and there is no Hospital ICU for you available in case you need it.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Has anyone considered Portugal?
    Our destiny is in our hands. Let us visualise a world of truth, freedom and equality.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Before you put finger on a map, always consider climatic conditions and how are they going to contribute to your health and overall state of wellbeing.

    When I came first time to India, I was 19 old. The amount of light and sun I’ve received in the first months and years of my journey changed my life tremendously, positively , forever ( if forever existed).
    As I’m getting older I can’t take that much sun and heat anymore, I prefer rainy weather and rainbows instead and “room temperatures”.
    Someone once told me that such weather does exist, all around the year in Malaysia.

    I have met lots of people around the globe who have resettled and it is either logical and entirely happy thing to do , thinking of some of my Swedish and Norwegian friends who had to wait and save for years and face even more loneliness and darkness of winter in their countries before they took the leap,
    and so many people from the Middle East “hot zones” where people live through 60 C temperatures in summer moving to the North and making cool life there if society allows.

    Depends on individual circumstances and temperaments of course.

    I’ve seen but few people who “did not make it” for some reason but most were in the you g category where people often take leaps to unknown but mostly, can make it back to safety,
    in older categories people tend to overlook how culture and social cohesion are important to our mental health and well being , as a result they keep moving on from one place to another . If you are couple moving around the planet is great thing to do after all.

    That’s out of the economical aspect of course.



    Consider climate and your health are long term factors so is our personal “adaptation quotient”.


    Borders are mostly closed yet due to the pandemics. It teaches us to be happy where we are and seek new free spaces where we won’t bump to each other.


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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
    I think responses are going to be a very subjective. Bill lives there so I assume he likes it. But my friends moved there from Europe and after a year of travelling, looking for a place they felt like settling, they decided it was absolutely not for them. They ended up returning and buying land in the hills of Spain.

    I probably should add that I moved from Canada to Australia and after 23 years still love it.
    I am a British expatriate living in Australia, Perth to be exact: so far we have had only very benign Covid responses, but the most recent one with a 7 day lock down and mask mandate was complied with a little too willingly for my taste, which clearly shows the 'Normie' percentage is strong here, and it is only the remoteness of Perth which preserves the relative freedom we enjoy. I think there is a strong anti-authoritarian contingency in Australia, with the recent protests in Melbourne showing this. Perth I'm not sure about, it has the possibility of being subjugated, but so far (crossed fingers) this has not blossomed. Australia and the West of Australia is supported by mineral wealth mostly, so it does tend to rely on the stock prices for metals and minerals, probably will continue into the near future at least. you will need to tolerate very warm weather and seasonal monotony, we don't have distinct seasons like the northern parts of the world, although winter is nice in Perth. A good choice if you can manage it.But we will not be fortunate with the coming solar micro nova, expected in the next few decades, the 'big wave' will be traveling west to east, so Perth will be wiped away. ! Ben from suspicious Observers is keeping me abreast of coming catastrophe cycles.
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    I have lived in Argentina and Uruguay since the mid-1990's. The phases of lockdown imposed by Argentina on 13 March 2020 are still in effect but we have all had enough of being terrified and life in Buenos Aires at least has made a gradual return to normal except that a mask is always required for public transport, official buildings and shops.

    The country Argentina at large still has problems. The inter-provincial borders and the international bridges into Uruguay are therefore still shut and probably will not be open for a few more months to any traveller with or without an innoculation certificate. Sputnik V is the State sponsored vaccine, so far 1 million doses have been given.
    Uruguay was initially quite safe but the authorities made some grave mistakes (the worst being not closing down the border with Brazil at Rivera) and now the regulations remain strict. I should be glad to answer your questions if any.
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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    I WONDER if there is any place that wont be brought down by the Reset? The plan is global.....

    Example:



    Quote Abolishing coal is telling India 'they can't have electricity'
    Feb 27, 2021

    Bob Katter says the call for the abolition of coal is telling India that they can’t have electricity.

    “There’s no way that they can afford the alternatives and no way anyone can give them the alternatives,” Mr Katter told Sky News.

    He said 93 per cent of Australia is occupied by under a million people, which is where the coal and other resources are.

    “A hungry world, where a quarter of the world’s population goes to bed hungry every night, you’re going to sit on it like a big fat toad and use none of it," he said.

    “And then preach to the rest of the world your moral righteousness.

    “We are not having a very happy future.”

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    There's a guy on youtube called Hobo Traveller. He's been travelling around the world for 20+ years and has a lot to say about various places. Interestingly, he said the most dangerous thing you can do in a country you're visiting is to rent a car. You're much better off taking taxis because the driver will know what's what and how to stay out of trouble.
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    Quote Posted by Mecklenburger (here)
    I have lived in Argentina and Uruguay since the mid-1990's. The phases of lockdown imposed by Argentina on 13 March 2020 are still in effect but we have all had enough of being terrified and life in Buenos Aires at least has made a gradual return to normal except that a mask is always required for public transport, official buildings and shops.

    The country Argentina at large still has problems. The inter-provincial borders and the international bridges into Uruguay are therefore still shut and probably will not be open for a few more months to any traveller with or without an innoculation certificate. Sputnik V is the State sponsored vaccine, so far 1 million doses have been given.
    Uruguay was initially quite safe but the authorities made some grave mistakes (the worst being not closing down the border with Brazil at Rivera) and now the regulations remain strict. I should be glad to answer your questions if any.
    Uruguay has done much better than Argentina and regulations have been relatively easy going and not strict at all. For the moment being, one should wear masks for public transportation, shops and official buildings.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    I have family, cousins, in South Africa and had always wanted to visit. A recent remark regarding the cost of living there made me explore further options. I was blown away by the house prices!

    We live in a modest two bedroom house here in the UK with an approximate value of £180,000. That sum in South Africa could buy a house that would be over £500,000 here (UK)!!

    So then I went to search Youtube for 'Reality of life in South Africa'

    Ended up watching this video and am definitely NEVER moving to South Africa!



    It is a disturbing film on many levels but perhaps most noticeable to me was an undercurrent of 'just desserts*' - as in - 'the sins of our fathers' from the Boer descendants. One certain individual seemed most willing to embrace it. Talk about victimhood!

    Very disturbing was the 'Red Berets', a militant group with a political figurehead who sang apartheid songs promoting hate against the Boer. Why do humans always consider themselves responsible for Karma when that is basically the universe's job!

    The story of South Africa is very far from over.



    * Just desserts - A deserved punishment or reward

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    Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...
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    DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane

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    Quote Posted by wondering (here)
    DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane
    I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

    I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

    https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_tru...u_need_to_know

    https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-n...140218113.html

    https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/on...andom-stop-law
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    Quote Posted by wondering (here)
    DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane
    I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

    I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

    https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_tru...u_need_to_know

    https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-n...140218113.html

    https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/on...andom-stop-law

    Damn I'm sorry to hear that Mike. The threat of harassment when you're goin to see your kids? That's really f'ed up!

    When I read about things like this I'm reminded just how bad it is for some people. I tend to forget because I live in Florida, who's state motto amounts to something like 'f#ck off and leave us alone or else' It was heartening to read that the Ontario Provincial police took a stand there. Hopefully that type of action is contagious! I hope that situation improves for you soon bro.

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    Quote Posted by wondering (here)
    DeDukshyn, I am so very sorry to hear that..I am sorry for us all and know we will probably all have our turns, but for right now I am sorry that you are feeling such angst about your country. ✌️ Diane
    I can't even go visit my kids without risking being harassed by police or getting a hefty fine (out of province). Manned roadblocks are starting to go up everywhere with police harassing people and searching their vehicles ... the Ontario Provincial police had to tell the government to **** off, after it was demanded of them to search the street and randomly start harassing and carding all people they saw outside their homes. The government then adjust their mandates to remove that clause.

    I won't even speak of the 0.75 trillion dollars wasted on forcing all people coming into the country into predetermined mandatory "covid detention centers" - where they put everyone together to quarantine to ensure if one person has it they all get it (brilliant).

    https://www.rebelnews.com/justin_tru...u_need_to_know

    https://news.yahoo.com/canada-puts-n...140218113.html

    https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/on...andom-stop-law
    So much has happened in Canada to change things and it seems to happen well under the radar (governmental changes with laws).

    Alberta and B.C. didn't seem to have a difficult time last year with all of the covid stuff, but they are now cracking down a lot is my understanding. Ontario is touch and go. The government (the premiere of the province mainly) here is doing his part to toe the line for TPTB and ramp up fear and try to get more doses into people's arms. Within the proivince, moving around is fine but they are trying to keep people from going into the other provinces - makes no sense on a normal level.

    Trudeau (the prime minister of Canada) has been bad for the entire country. This was seen a few years ago when he was handing out money to groups such as the Clinton foundation (even after it was shown what they stood for) and Gates, and more I am sure. Now they are coming after the tax payers to fill it back.

    They are also handing out money to people to get them to depend on the government rather than earn their own income. I fear this will backfire on the populace as they will eventually turn this around and demand things from the people that received the government handouts.

    Canadians are polite and normally quiet, but things are getting pushed to the edge - I am counting on the people here to rise up more and more. The major problem is due to the pandemic, Trudeau can put new laws through the government on his own due to us being in this " emergency pandemic state". In Parliament the representatives demands for answers are just quickly squashed. Sometimes completely ignored. But there is not enough transparency as the media is controlled of course. A new law is on the table to give the government more control over what an individual is allowed to post online. I need to find out the status of that as this is currently being tabled.

    Rebel news is a good source for info right now, but they are always under pressure.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

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    Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...
    Another thing about living off of the grid here. There are many rural areas that seem out of the way, but are not. For example, I live from from the city and it looks and feels at times like I am far away from things, but there is a large population around - it is just not obvious. So living off the grid means getting out into the bush for real.

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    Well, don't even consider Canada unless you plan on living rural and off the grid as much as possible (thankfully Canada is big so its easily plausible) ... this place is turning into a nightmare ...
    Another thing about living off of the grid here. There are many rural areas that seem out of the way, but are not. For example, I live from from the city and it looks and feels at times like I am far away from things, but there is a large population around - it is just not obvious. So living off the grid means getting out into the bush for real.
    The upside is that there's actually quite a few people who live somewhere between "rural" and "off-grid" all across the country - and when you live out in some of these areas, there really isn't any enforcement for any laws. People just live and respect each other. I have an old friend that is now living fairly off grid - his goal is to get 100% self sustaining or rather have his little community that he lives near be self sustaining. It's far enough out in the boonies that everyone there (probably less than 100 people) is living off-grid to some extent. There's pretty much only a post office and a train station there - probably a gas station and convenience store nearby somewhere, but that is about it. Nearest town is 1.5 hours drive away.

    So to dampen my previous pessimism a little, if one's goal is to live mostly self sustaining away from towns and cities, Canada has lots of opportunities for that, one just needs to keep in mind the winters are harsh.
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    I have lived in Argentina for years. Obtaining the DNI national identity document is essential for somebody planning to stay. The easiest ways to do so are through having a good pension in your home country or close relatives here. You would need a fairly reasonable command of Spanish. Climate is like Andalucia although winters can get very cold and wet. This week of autumn on the other hand for example has been like a lovely English cloudless summer.

    The current covid situation is that vaccination is highly recommended but not insisted upon. At present about 25% per cent of the population has been innoculated, most of these have had Sinopharm or Sputnik V. Based on your age you are invited to apply for innoculation and then all contact is taken up with you by means of your cellphone or email. The current phase of protection until 21 May requires no social associations of more than ten persons anywhere indoors and not many more than that outdoors; curfew from midnight to 0600 unless armed with a permit; restaurants and cafes can only serve you seated in the street, from what I can make out all shops and businesses are open but you cannot enter without a mask, no more than two inside at a time except supermarkets which are not so strict. Within the city public transport is running to a fairly normal schedule but you cannot travel on a bus or train without a mask. I estimate that walking in the city streets about 60% actually wear a mask, 30% have a token mask below the nose,mouth or chin to be lifted as required. The police tend to stay put and not interfere unless somebody is really taking liberties, except for busloads coming in from the provinces with permits to be checked which is fun to watch from a street corner. You need a permit to travel by public transport beyond the Buenos Aires city limits, about 30 miles in all directions. Schooling is online.

    I emphasise that this is the capital city, new cases each day in the country as a whole (pop. 40 million) are running at about 20,000 and fatalities presently about 350 per day.
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    I moved from Hong Kong to Zhuhai in China a few months ago, which is a city just north of Macau. It is only 50km away from HK, but I had to go through 21 days of quarantine. It turned out it was worth it, besides I had to because of work. Hong Kongers in general are very fearful of covid and the government is spreading fear relentlessly. Harsh measures have been imposed, tightening and relaxing at will. At times when there were some 50 "confirmed cases" a day (of a population of 7.5 million), restaurants were not allowed to open after 6pm and no more than 2 persons per table. The times changed when say there were 15 cases a day to closing after 10pm, sometimes midnight, or 4 persons per table. Now is 6 persons. Schools were closed but relaxed to allow only high schools to teach face to face, etc etc. Since the economy of HK depends very much on service industry, the livelihood of many are devasted.

    All this is for 200 deaths since the pandemic, mostly were elderly with health conditions. Unbelievable, but most people firmly believe the government is acting correctly. I told friends that there was a "Hong Kong flu" which started from HK and spreaded to the world, killing 2-4 millions in a short time when we are in the early teen. Back then it was not a big event, no masking, no closures, nothing mandatory. It was just a strong flu, in fact many forgot about it. Why are we so scared? None agreed with me in their heart, shown by their silence.

    Wearing a mask has been mandatory in HK. I feel so free now in China, if only for not having to wear a mask. There is only the requirement to wear a mask in public transport, to go in a hospital or government buildings. Theorectically also in a supermarket, but no one bothers. In fact, outwardly life in China is not much different than pre-pandemic. The tension level is very low.

    There is free vaccination in this city, but not mandatory. It is not offered to people over 60 or below 18. As for old people, I heard that the reason is there is not enough statistics to warrant its safety. I think the government shows responsibility in this aspect. The vaccine provided is the traditional deactivated type. I think very few vaccinated people have had bad side effects. Certainly very few instant deaths.

    In this 5 day Mayday holidays, people tour all over the country and scenic spots are overcrowded. This is in stark contrast to what is happening in India.
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    It's really hit home today. I never usually like working, but I do at the moment. I work in a close-knit team, being in the office together is what we want. We're almost there, but now the company are saying we need to have covid tests to be back in the office. Well, of the three tests I would simply refuse the PCR one outright (a diagnostic tool, not a test), and the one that gets stuck deep up your nose - no £^$&!*g way. The swab test doesn't offend me as much but its still perpetuating a lie. If I have the power to avoid it, I'm feeling like I will.

    It means I'll be not joining my close-knit team ever again in person and I'm highly likely to be leaving the company in September, when my fix term contract is up. It was extended previously, because they liked me and I liked them (which is a treasure). ok a bit of a trite problem in the scheme of things, but I only heard this news a couple of hours ago. I didn't realise how gone my old world was until I found myself hoping for it and having it dashed. I would have to leave in September anyway, because .. how do I put this: by no fault of the company I work for, the world of third party identity checking services is going to change, and this company (and others in the same sector) use those identity checking services. I know because I have a friend who works for the identity checking company, and he has just handed in his notice, because of ethical concerns. I guess (and I have no direct knowledge of this, a pure guess) that those ethical concerns will begin to impact my current industry in about, approximately September. But it hit home today because of the government's insane guidelines for excessive convid testing.

    So I am thinking I have to downscale to an isolated location and live the good life, and not work. Grow stuff, have chickens perhaps. I'm really sad about it because I want to go to the office. Doesn't make sense but it's how I feel.

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    It's really hit home today. I never usually like working, but I do at the moment. I work in a close-knit team, being in the office together is what we want. We're almost there, but now the company are saying we need to have covid tests to be back in the office. Well, of the three tests I would simply refuse the PCR one outright (a diagnostic tool, not a test), and the one that gets stuck deep up your nose - no £^$&!*g way. The swab test doesn't offend me as much but its still perpetuating a lie. If I have the power to avoid it, I'm feeling like I will.

    It means I'll be not joining my close-knit team ever again in person and I'm highly likely to be leaving the company in September, when my fix term contract is up. It was extended previously, because they liked me and I liked them (which is a treasure). ok a bit of a trite problem in the scheme of things, but I only heard this news a couple of hours ago. I didn't realise how gone my old world was until I found myself hoping for it and having it dashed. I would have to leave in September anyway, because .. how do I put this: by no fault of the company I work for, the world of third party identity checking services is going to change, and this company (and others in the same sector) use those identity checking services. I know because I have a friend who works for the identity checking company, and he has just handed in his notice, because of ethical concerns. I guess (and I have no direct knowledge of this, a pure guess) that those ethical concerns will begin to impact my current industry in about, approximately September. But it hit home today because of the government's insane guidelines for excessive convid testing.

    So I am thinking I have to downscale to an isolated location and live the good life, and not work. Grow stuff, have chickens perhaps. I'm really sad about it because I want to go to the office. Doesn't make sense but it's how I feel.
    I am with you Matthew! I have been lucky enough to be able to work from home. Although I do visit locations, I have avoided the test myself as well. If the standards around which I work change, then like you, I will change my life to continue to live my life on my terms!

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