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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    If you have not been there even on vacation, which is not enough, don't make a commitment unless you can change your mind
    and return to your former pace fairly easily.

    Good luck!
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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    If you have not been there even on vacation, which is not enough, don't make a commitment unless you can change your mind
    and return to your former pace fairly easily.

    Good luck!
    Well said - a vacation will not provide a good look into living in a place as a resident. Then you also need to understand what the status of your visa really means and if it will mean more than just words on paper.

    I once had a visa to live in the USA. The terms were that I could stay as long as my business was making money. The business went under (long story, not for here), and we were homeless. Based on the visa, we should have been kicked out. However, even after going to homeland security, they did not kick us out - they would do nothing to help us either.

    It was ridiculous - I said to the officers there "I am currently here illegally. If I get work, I will be working illegally." They just shrugged their shoulders and said "sorry, nothing we can do."

    Even Canadian customs would not help in any way.

    Church groups would not help because we did not have US i.d.

    So, that was way before covid. So if you are going to go to another country, it is a dice roll IMHO.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country. I think another country doesn't help, from my PoV that this is a globalist coup. Foreign travel is a snare trap, and work will become increasingly difficult. Ideally I want to pool with my brother and find a location together, but it does depend on our timings.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Thanks for everyone's contributions so far.

    We are closer than ever to leaving Germany. Although none of the vaccines has yet been approved for use on children here, a governmental doctors' committee has said that from winter 2021 children will not be able to attend Kindergarten or school without having had a covid vaccine. Kintergarten (KITA) can be attended by children, actually babies as young as 6 months and they will require a vaccine to be able to go to KITA. School in Germany is mandatory so this means all school children must get the covid vaccine. Why all parents are not on the streets of Germany today, I can't understand. Already at least 4 children have died in the vaccine trials and yet Germany is saying they must all be vaccinated.

    This on top of the side effects issue caused by being around vaccinated people.

    Both these issues directly affect my family and we see no other option but to leave.

    We are slowly narrowing down the where to and the when.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    I'm more sold on an isolated location in my current country.
    I keep looking at this option too but it consumes too much of my capital. Then again, the future may not hold much in the way of capital for anyone... and then again, again.. a warmer climate allows for more crop growth and variation.

    This country (UK) will not fare well in a complete collapse of the economic world we are tied into. Third world countries will fare much better as vastly more people are used to basics and self-sufficiency.

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    ...capital...
    Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    ...capital...
    Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation
    I'm an Aries, how do you do.

    Edit: Seriously, to add. I keep looking at woodlands. Planning permissions are almost ironclad against building residences - but, if the world does go to pot.. perfect location!
    Last edited by Ewan; 11th May 2021 at 17:47.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

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    ...capital...
    Isn't it just. My plan/hopes hinge on my brother and I combining sales from our properties. We've talked about it, and it's my best plan but it's not certain; anything could happen. If I can't do this with my brother, I believe I might be able to team up with some other nutcase who shares our world view and do the same with them. I'm not thinking commune, it would be two people(/families) combining, possibly three max. Some land with property, out the way, compromising in favour of isolation
    I'm an Aries, how do you do.

    Edit: Seriously, to add. I keep looking at woodlands. Planning permissions are almost ironclad against building residences - but, if the world does go to pot.. perfect location!
    Aquarius, very incompatible signs but who cares about that right now, ...priorities. The combined capital idea feels like a strong one. The minimal viable product for me is a property with a water supply, isolation, land to grow, electric supply, internet, possibly livestock, able to have a bonfire 24/7. Actually that's not very minimal but probably achievable. Fewer the number that combine capital then fewer the complications I'm guessing. With my brother and I, we agreed we would need individual properties and have fundamentally individual lives, but shared land etc. Boundaries init

    Edit update: I love the woods, and live in a forest borough - massive forest a short walk away. I would prefer to move to the woods but my brother prefers somewhere near the sea so I'm likely to compromise with him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    In January 2021, more than 12,000 expat respondents from across the globe took part in the latest Expat Insider survey. Together, they represent a total of 174 nationalities and live in 186 countries or territories around the world. And, for the first time since the Expat Insider survey was launched in 2014, more than 6,000 local residents — many former and future expats among them — also had the opportunity to respond to selected questions; most of these addressed the way the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic might have disrupted relocation plans or a recent stay abroad.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else considering moving to another country to somewhere freer of covid measures?

    Saw a property in Ireland that had potential so investigated a visit to the Emerald isle.

    The Irish Govt require a negative PCR test within 72 hours prior to arrival, once you passed that hurdle you then have to self-isolate for 14 days at whichever address you supplied. However you can after just 5 days of self-quarantine have a second PCR test and if that is also negative you may wander free.

    Quote All passengers are required to have a negative pre-departure Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) Covid-19 test taken within 72 hours prior to arrival in Ireland. Antigen or other test types do not meet the requirement. Arriving in Ireland without evidence of a negative/‘not-detected’ test result is an offence. Travellers may be subject to prosecution and will be required to enter and pay for mandatory hotel quarantine.

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    All passengers arriving in Ireland from Great Britain must quarantine at home for 14 days, with limited exceptions. This is a legal requirement. The period of home quarantine can be shortened following a negative PCR test after 5 days – see Irish Government guidance on how to book and take your free PCR test. You should retain the written confirmation of your negative test results for at least 14 days.
    So you have to take two tests that were never designed for this kind of testing and pay in the region of £100 per person per test.

    A helpful link to test providers is supplied.

    I couldn't even be bothered to count them, hundreds of them. Nice to see people capitalising on fear and madness hasn't gone out of fashion, some things are still the same despite all the other changes going on.

    However, if you joined the club..

    Quote No travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary for travellers from the UK with valid proof of full vaccination. On arrival in Ireland, fully vaccinated passengers travelling from Great Britain will need to have proof of their full vaccination, for example showing their NHS App Covid Pass, a vaccination status letter or their NHS vaccine paper card.

    Children under the age of 12 will not need to take a PCR test prior to travelling to Ireland.
    Incidentally if you're not vaccinated and still decide to go then kids 7-17 will also require a PCR test.

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