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    Default Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    From https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/23/t...ook/index.html

    The worldwide web as we know it may be ending

    24 February, 2021

    Over the last year, the worldwide web has started to look less worldwide.

    Europe is floating regulation that could impose temporary bans on US tech companies that violate its laws. The United States was on the verge of banning TikTok and WeChat, though the new Biden administration is rethinking that move. India, which did ban those two apps as well of dozens of others, is now at loggerheads with Twitter.

    And this month, Facebook clashed with the Australian government over a proposed law that would require it to pay publishers. The company briefly decided to prevent users from sharing news links in the country in response to the law, with the potential to drastically change how its platform functions from one country to the next. Then on Tuesday, it reached a deal with the government and agreed to restore news pages. The deal partially relaxed arbitration requirements that Facebook took issue with.

    In its announcement of the deal, however, Facebook hinted at the possibility of similar clashes in the future. "We'll continue to invest in news globally and resist efforts by media conglomerates to advance regulatory frameworks that do not take account of the true value exchange between publishers and platforms like Facebook," Campbell Brown, VP of global news partnerships at Facebook, said in a statement Tuesday.

    But if such territorial agreements become more common, the globally-connected internet we know will become more like what some have dubbed the "splinternet," or a collection of different internets whose limits are determined by national or regional borders.

    A combination of rising nationalism, trade disputes and concerns about the market dominance of certain global tech companies has prompted threats of regulatory crackdowns all over the world. In the process, these forces are not just upending the tech companies that built massive businesses on the promise of a global internet, but also the very idea of building platforms that can be accessed and used the same way by anyone anywhere in the world.

    And the cracks only appear to be getting deeper.

    "I do think there is a global tendency towards fragmenting the internet much more than it has been fragmented in the past," Daphne Keller, director of the program on platform regulation at Stanford University's Cyber Policy Center, told CNN Business.

    As recent events have shown, a platform doesn't need to be banned or shut down outright for that fragmentation to happen. In response to Australia's effort to make it pay publishers, When Facebook stopped showing links from news outlets to its Australian users, users outside the country could also no longer access content from Australian news outlets. The temporary move ran against the very premise of the internet serving as a tool for the free flow of information globally.

    In India, when warned that it was "welcome to do business" but "must also respect Indian laws," Twitter sought a middle ground by withholding some accounts that were using what the government called "incendiary and baseless" hashtags which means those accounts weren't visible within the country but could still be accessed outside. (The South Asian nation has also shown a greater willingness to go after foreign tech companies, proposing major restrictions on their operations and, amid a diplomatic standoff with China, banning TikTok and dozens of other Chinese-owned apps.)

    It's a very different landscape from the one that allowed US tech firms to accumulate enormous wealth and power. With notable exceptions such as China and North Korea, Facebook and its peers were able to launch their products all over the world with little pushback. Now that openness may no longer be a given.

    "What's legal in Sweden isn't legal in Pakistan, and so we have to find some way to reconcile that with the way the internet works," Keller said. The result is that "either platforms voluntarily or governments forcibly are erecting geographical barriers, so that we see different things in one country than in another."

    The great retreat

    While Facebook isn't the only tech company in the crosshairs of governments around the globe, it is perhaps more emblematic than any other Silicon Valley business of the promise of a global internet running up against various countries' laws.

    Five years ago, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was talking up his goal of reaching 5 billion users, or the majority of the world's population. Already, the company has more than 3 billion monthly active users across its various apps, in a testament to its rapid expansion all over the world.

    "We want to make it so that anyone, anywhere — a child growing up in rural India who never had a computer — can go to a store, get a phone, get online, and get access to all of the same things that you and I appreciate about the internet," Zuckerberg said in a 2013 interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo.

    Even in China, where the government's online censorship apparatus known as the Great Firewall has locked Western tech companies out for decades, Facebook and Google both sought to make concessions to be allowed in (albeit with little success).

    Now, Facebook is instead turning to what's become an increasingly tried-and-tested playbook for the tech industry: threatening to pull its products out of markets in the face of unfavorable regulation.

    In 2014, Google shut down its Google News service in Spain after the country passed a similar law to the one Australia is now contemplating. In Australia, too, it threatened to pull its search engine out of the country over the same media law before ultimately giving in and signing deals with some of the country's top publishers.

    This time, at least, the playbook seemed to work somewhat for Facebook.But there are signs that countries around the world — including the United States — are more willing to play hardball and follow each other's leads on reining in Big Tech. Those companies are ultimately dependent on continued access to billions of users around the world, and governments have shown they are willing to cut off that access in the name of protecting their citizens and sovereignty online.

    The stakes will only get higher if more governments jump on the bandwagon.

    "It's kind of a game of chicken," said Sinan Aral, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Business and author of "The Hype Machine: How Social Media Disrupts Our Elections, Our Economy and Our Health."

    Aral says companies such as Facebook and Google will encounter a slippery slope if they start to exit every market that asks them to pay for its news, which would "severely limit" the content they can serve their global user base.

    "They have a vested interest in trying to force any one market to not impose such regulations by threatening to pull out," he said. "The other side is basically saying: 'If you don't pay for the content, you're not going to have access to our market of consumers or the content in this market.'"

    As the internet fractures, global regulators coalesce

    A fight over news in Australia is a relatively small part of the clash between tech and governments, which has largely been focused on issues such as censorship, privacy and competition. But the response to Facebook's move in Australia has shown that a more international effort to rein in Big Tech may be gathering momentum -- and with it, the potential for additional fracturing of how internet services function from one country to the next.

    As his government faced off against Facebook last week, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison issued a warning to the social media giant: what you do here may come back to hurt you in other countries.

    "These actions will only confirm the concerns that an increasing number of countries are expressing about the behavior of Big Tech companies who think they are bigger than governments and that the rules should not apply to them," he said in a Facebook post. "They may be changing the world, but that doesn't mean they run it."

    On Tuesday, Morrison said Facebook's decision to restore news was "welcome," adding that the government remained committed to proceeding with its legislation to ensure "Australian journalists and news organisations are fairly compensated for the original content they produce."

    Several other countries, including the United Kingdom and Canada are now considering similar legislation against social media companies — and many of those countries are talking to each other about how best to do that.

    "It would be extremely useful if governments would come together in some kind of transnational process and come up with a treaty or some kind of standard about who gets to reach out and affect content and information outside their national territory," Keller said, "because that's what a lot of them are trying to do, but they haven't, and so as a result you get this very fragmented patchwork."

    If that increased fragmentation is allowed to reach its natural conclusion, however, the consequences could be dire.

    "If the eventual outcome of that is that we have social media platforms in every major country or market that are separate, then what we will have is an information ecosystem that is completely bifurcated or splintered across the globe," Aral said. "What that portends is a citizenry that has completely different sets of information about local events, about world events, and perhaps a very splintered worldview of reality."

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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    One thing I thought about today is that it is highly unlikely that the internet will disappear, as the elite intend to use it as a means of controlling us, or how else could they organize "the internet of things"? We have had the internet for about 25 years, and it was touted as a way to enhance our freedoms, and instead has now imprisoned us in a cycle of not knowing what is up and what is down.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
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    Thanks for that, I will try it out.

    Lately I am using https://searx.space, here is one good node https://searx.ninja/ (ready to search) it allows search in many different engines at once, but `presearch` seems to allow private results from the nodes, I mean if a peer/node decide to share documents from their own server or PC, I will read the docs, the only decentralized search engine I know that allow that is built in JAVA and I boycotted this technology more than a decade ago.

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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    I am ignorant when it comes to internet. I mean i dont give much thought on how exactly it works. But there are a couple of things I know.
    1) the davos group never let anything out of their control. particularly the ones that is very popular to the masses, includes the internet. I am seeing signs that they are losing control of which lately. People are waking up and uniting through communications and may soon organize a powerful movement against them. What better trick there could be than to disrupt their communication.
    2) All of the wonderful communication software will stop working once the satellites stop working
    3) The satellites are rather an easy target in open space.

    I hope we dont come to that. but I see this splinternet as another trick to compartmentalize communications. thus there could be no resistance big enough to challenge TPTB
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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    Right @Bill.
    The reason and so the Problem is that these Giants like Facebook, Google etc. make huge money via the Internet witout paying local Taxes.
    When you deprive a government with an icome source, you're in trouble.
    That's what's happening especially in Europe.

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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    Is there a way to know exactly how much (of US Tax payed) money Facebook received from all kinds of Government Agencies like NSA, FBI, CIA In-Q-Tel, DIA, Police etc. etc.?

    Some claim that Facebook is created by (Deep State part of) the Government and use corporate fronts like: "In-Q-Tel" to have a form of control over it without real oversight.

    Is there a site that discloses government accountability & transparency?

    • How much % of what is done is made public and how much is still covert ("black projects") ??


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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    I would add that cancel culture has made it appropriate for social media to silence the conservative voice across all their platforms. This not only fragments the internet, it deprives the average person of information they not only don't hear but don't even know exists. Silencing an entire spectrum of the debate is dangerous and debilitating for all of society...and can only lead to authoritarian decisions and policy.
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    Quote Posted by Michael Moewes (here)
    Right @Bill.
    The reason and so the Problem is that these Giants like Facebook, Google etc. make huge money via the Internet witout paying local Taxes.
    When you deprive a government with an icome source, you're in trouble.
    That's what's happening especially in Europe.
    The covid scam will not prosper without government participation. THEY CONTROL GOVERNMENTS, they can also pay taxes if they want to as they own the money press. Basically they own all of the actors. Splinternet is just a show for us to enjoy. " Give me the authority to issue money and I care not who makes its laws" Precisely because if you own the money you can dictate what laws the government shall make.

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    Default Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

    Regards the Splinternet, I personally believe it is been in some sort of compartmentalization since the very beginning, most people can't see that because it is just too obvious. The "surface" most people surf today, is just one tiny part of it all, even though some believe and some other want make sure that's the perception to perceive about the internet. There is private networks out there that are not communicable with the surface internet unless they want, some of these private networks are physically separated, other are connected, but the point is, those networks that are connected to the internet they compose the majority of the internet as a whole (just saying: any device online can be used as a server).


    Sorry for the lame example, but if my English failed to communicate, an image worth a million words, right..

    I started with private networks using i2p to host a website on my own PC back in 2003 and it was quite buggy that time, it need lots of tweaks in order to make it work, after that setup a mail server, irc server was piece of cake in a decentralized netowrk, and I've playing around with these networks since before 2003 when IRC and USENET was in their glorious days of the internet, it is a fascinating underground world that anyone can be part, and no folks, it is not all about drugs or pron! By the way many of the bleeding edge techies born in these underground networks, it is full of resources if you are in the right place. (I stopped using i2p because it is built in Java - since it is not open source I am out)

    [UPDATE]
    Almost forgot about this one: OpenJDK (Open Source Java) - https://openjdk.java.net/ (I end up boycotting Java even before they released the OpenJDK and I never looked back, but here it is their free open version).

    Another networks that I played and some that I still play.

    > Tor or Onion Routing - (I still have a few hidden service like websites and 2 dead IRC servers that needs to be revived).
    > Freenet - (I used for a little while, but it is very quiet place, lots of echo).
    > RetroShare (relatively new, but hard to find people using it, I have mine installed, sometimes I check but really nobody).
    > Mixmaster (running on top of i2p)

    Some networks that I heard about but never used

    > Java Anonymous Proxy - JAP (their anonymity is not the top notch - it is well know attacks to this network, like the German FBI used to have honey pots there).
    > Morphmix or tarzan (academic use, not so sure if it is open, I can't say anything about).
    > ANTNET routing - (I believe it is for academic purposes, I didn't find any source code available and just a few people comments)

    There is also more different types of networks that are decentralized and peer to peer, here a few: a DPN (Decentralized Private Network), VPN (Virtual Private Network), decentralized DNS (with namecoin blockchain, providing .bit TLD names), IPFS (peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol).. and quite a few more.

    There is others networks that works only in specific countries, take by example "Haystack", closed source network in Iran, for Iranian users only. There is another one in North Korea, but I can't remember the name... If one dig enough will find that many countries have such things.. specially the militaries!

    For search engine, I worked with an Apache Lucene tool called Solr (https://lucene.apache.org/solr/) it is a powerful tool, and quite a few institutions are using internally in their networks. If one controls a great deal of nodes, this is the correct tool to have in order to search data in those nodes.

    Most of the above networks are: fully distributed, peer to peer networks of anonymizing proxies.

    The entire idea of these networks resumes basically in something like this: create a local cluster of nodes that can share files and maintain some sort of anonymity; then no one can surely say who is that node, or that node is related to certain people or group of people or institution, etc.., a group of peers that shares something in common and it is possible to have it all across the world, once there is enough clusters of nodes elsewhere, it can easily be routed using a mesh network scheme and that would be the end of most ISPs, but we still a long way to get there!

    I wrote in another post here on Avalon about the internet going away or ceasing to exist.. well I reaffirm, it is not going away, unless physical infra-structure be damaged (it means ocean cables, towers, satellites), it will just increase in size, the compartmentalization of the internet, is happening for those living in the mainstream way of life, I haven't noticed anything out of ordinary, but I am not using Facebook, Google, Twitter, Youtube, MSM in general.. not at all.


    From the article

    "If the eventual outcome of that is that we have social media platforms in every major country or market that are separate, then what we will have is an information ecosystem that is completely bifurcated or splintered across the globe," Aral said. "What that portends is a citizenry that has completely different sets of information about local events, about world events, and perhaps a very splintered worldview of reality."

    I once was in Laos (Vientiane and Kaysone Phomvihane) both along the Mekong river, my phone worked in both places (no roaming), that's how I used the internet, there was no boundaries for signals in the same sense of control a physical body at a checkpoint, then data can be segmented across border and repeated along other networks, even if there is policies in place, nobody can prevent a device from connect to a signal that is available in the air and once connected one got access to data available in that network!

    No doubt they will try hard to keep people in darkness and stupidity. Good luck for them.
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    Arrow Re: Now, the splinternet: the worldwide web may be breaking down

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    One thing I thought about today is that it is highly unlikely that the internet will disappear, as the elite intend to use it as a means of controlling us, or how else could they organize "the internet of things"? We have had the internet for about 25 years, and it was touted as a way to enhance our freedoms, and instead has now imprisoned us in a cycle of not knowing what is up and what is down.
    The internet should be free, now our privacy is on the internet. All businesses today have internet. It can become a means of pressure, to unsubscribe all together from the Internet and this virtual world collapses, no longer exists. We will say, I no longer watch television, but you have the Internet, it's the same and you have access to information, even if it is other media. The revolution, it must be done today on the internet, all together ???


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