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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    I just found this article by Rosemary Frei via Twitter, which raises questions about Vanden Bossche's case.

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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    Thank you, Delight, for sharing this. I've also just come across a more critical article regarding Vanden Bossche, and apparently he is not willing to appear on the Richie Allen Show now either.

    It is hard to know exactly what to make of all this. In the middle of the current emergency, i.e. that of people getting jabbed left, right and centre, it seemed a good thing to be able to point to someone from "the other side" speaking out against this mass vaccination programme, as it would be difficult to dismiss his warning as another piece of anti-vax scaremongery.

    In a larger context, goodness knows what's what with all the smoke and mirrors.
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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    Thanks Anna70 for providing this alternative view of the situation here

    Quote So I decided to write this article to expose a few of the dozens of clues that this curious case is a continuation of the overall Covid deception.

    Here are some more of those clues:

    1. In his March 11 segment, Bigtree shows a slide with Vanden Bossche’s background. It indicates he’s affiliated with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI), GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis and other vaccine proponents. Dell dubs Vanden Bossche a “world-renowned vaccine creator.” Coleman calls him “a very eminent vaccine specialist.”

    But, when combined with the contents of his open letter, it’s impossible to believe that he’s in fact an insider who’s now going against his very high-powered
    comrades. (More on this below.) It’s more likely that he’s their accomplice.

    ...


    7. Vanden Bossche drives at the need for “large vaccination campaigns.” These, he writes, should be for “NK [natural-killer]-cell–based vaccines” that “will primarily enable our natural immunity to be better prepared … and to induce herd immunity.”

    But it’s not very logical to believe that the only solution to the theoretical possibility of immune escape, as espoused by someone who’s got a long and strong focus on vaccination as opposed to other ways to improve health, is yet more mass vaccination.

    Not to mention that the concept of herd immunity is contrive. After all, if your immune system is protecting you against a pathogen, it doesn’t matter whether someone else’s is or not.

    I do agree that we should stop the use of the current vaccines. But we also we need to stop production and use of antivirals and antibodies and all other parts of the Covid-industrial complex.

    Covid has an extremely high survival rate. So why develop yet another expensive, invasive and experimental solution to a problem that barely exists, if it does at all?

    It’s all very curious.
    While I try and keep focus on all the facts as best as we can determine, I am staying well away of the current vaccines as I have from all recent vaccines - trusting my own health and immune system is my choice in the risk/reward equation so far.
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    Thank you for sharing this. I've also just come across a more critical article regarding Vanden Bossche, and apparently he is not willing to appear on the Richie Allen Show now either.

    It is hard to know exactly what to make of all this. In the middle of the current emergency, i.e. that of people getting jabbed left, right and centre, it seemed a good thing to be able to point to someone from "the other side" speaking out against this mass vaccination programme, as it would be difficult to dismiss his warning as another piece of anti-vax scaremongery.

    In a larger context, goodness knows what's what with all the smoke and mirrors.
    Could be deliberate, an attempt to 'own both sides' of the vaccine debate? I think that goes on a fair bit and if you think about it as a strategy it makes perfect sense. You know there will be opposition, so why not position assets to take leading roles in it? That way you can control the counter narrative and inject sufficient disinformation or bad ideas to derail or diffuse any opposition or if need be to encourage via agents provacateurs actions which will rebound on your opponents. Maybe Vanden Bossche is an example of this? He puts out the big claims, they're taken up by the most well known figures in the anti vax movements, then when his claims fail to stand up to scrutiny, everyone is discredited.

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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    I have to say, I felt he sounded totally sincere. Just because he believes in the efficacy of normal vaccines (vaccines that really are vaccines!), that doesn't make him an evil, scheming demon. Everything he stated about the dangers of the new vaccine push made perfect sense to me.

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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    At around 29:22 he says it is very obvious that the emergent variants are not the results of vaccination, as it was way before vaccination was implemented in most countries.

    The interviewer then rightly points out that the strains appeared in the very countries where the trials took place. Something he must surely be aware of.

    Yet, although this correlation might appear to actually support Vanden Bossche's very point, he seems to move swiftly on, going on about what happens when a highly infectious strain is introduced(?) in a country, as if this correlation has no possible relevance.

    Can anyone make sense of this?

    EDIT: By the question mark after 'introduced' I don't mean to express suspicion, but to be able to introduce something, it must first exist, so there he skips over the essential question about origin of the thing. He comes back to that, but not, as far as I heard, in relation to the trial locations.

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    Quote Posted by Anna70 (here)
    Thank you, Delight, for sharing this. I've also just come across a more critical article regarding Vanden Bossche, and apparently he is not willing to appear on the Richie Allen Show now either.

    It is hard to know exactly what to make of all this. In the middle of the current emergency, i.e. that of people getting jabbed left, right and centre, it seemed a good thing to be able to point to someone from "the other side" speaking out against this mass vaccination programme, as it would be difficult to dismiss his warning as another piece of anti-vax scaremongery.

    In a larger context, goodness knows what's what with all the smoke and mirrors.
    WHY would he stand out if he is not trying to stop a terrible catastrophe? First off, this is a GIANT EXPERIMENT for a SEEMING pifflling epidemic and we have no idea how it will effect us.

    Bossche is a vaccine advocate. IMO it is counting for something that he and others are stating this present roll out is BEYOND pro and anti vax. For him to say it is potentially earth shattering for the human race is BIG.

    I would not spend time trying to debunk him but TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY and Rosemary Frei is acting like controlled opposition or something I don't grok?
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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    He came across as thoroughly genuine to me and has made a difference to a few people on the edge of having it that I showed it to. Of course there will be many attempts to undermine him. That's par for the course.

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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    He may be aiming at his own product line but still, I am glad someone is saying STOP. How can we avert this mass MANDATORY VACCINATION plan?


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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I have to say, I felt he sounded totally sincere. Just because he believes in the efficacy of normal vaccines (vaccines that really are vaccines!), that doesn't make him an evil, scheming demon. Everything he stated about the dangers of the new vaccine push made perfect sense to me.
    He sounded sincere to me too and seemed to be making sense to this layman.

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    WHY would he stand out if he is not trying to stop a terrible catastrophe? First off, this is a GIANT EXPERIMENT for a SEEMING pifflling epidemic and we have no idea how it will effect us.

    Bossche is a vaccine advocate. IMO it is counting for something that he and others are stating this present roll out is BEYOND pro and anti vax. For him to say it is potentially earth shattering for the human race is BIG.

    I would not spend time trying to debunk him but TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY and Rosemary Frei is acting like controlled opposition or something I don't grok?
    You're so right: this is BEYOND pro and anti vax. And yes, he is taking a huge career risk, so he must feel very strongly about the dangers of the current rollout. I didn't mean to try and debunk him, but a couple of things didn't sit entirely comfortably with me: the vaccines as such being 'excellent' when we cannot possibly know this yet, and how the correlation of the variants and trial countries was not explored any further. But then, I can see how coming out with anything that might indicate such a link would land one into seriously tricky territory, so that could be the reason.

    I felt I had to post the Rosemary Frei link because it was out there, not because I agreed or disagreed, and it helps to have more discerning people looking at these things, and strengthening the case by dismantling any misinformation, whichever side it is on.

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    If I may interject, it is my considered opinion that all vaccines throughout history have in fact been misguided if not worse. Their efficacy is next to zero and the longer term repercussions have always been making humans more susceptible to disease, not less.

    I cannot recommend this book highly enough.


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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    Many thanks indeed for this book recommendation, Ewan. It looks like it is THE one to read on the subject, and even the reviews contain vital information from people's personal experiences.

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    Many thanks indeed for this book recommendation, Ewan. It looks like it is THE one to read on the subject, and even the reviews contain vital information from people's personal experiences.
    Here it is in the Avalon Library.
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    I just found this article by Rosemary Frei via Twitter, which raises questions about Vanden Bossche's case.
    Rosemary Frei's Twitter article has been reprinted by Vaccine Impact and Children's Health Defence. That is really interesting to me and a little confusing. Confusing to me because there is a strong need of coordination to STOP the covid gene therapy IMO. Does this cause a whirlpool swirl instead of a flow towards a common destination?

    Why is Geert Vanden Bossche Getting So Much Exposure in the Alternative Health Media? Could this Pro-Vaccine Scientist be “Controlled Opposition”?

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    Rebuttal: The ‘Not-So-Hidden Agenda’ Behind Bossche’s Concern Over COVID Mass Vaccination
    In her rebuttal to Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche’s open letter to the WHO, Rosemary Frei, MSc, outlines what she says are “a few of the dozens of clues” suggesting that Bossche’s argument “is a continuation of the overall COVID deception.”

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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

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    Quote Posted by Anna70 (here)
    I just found this article by Rosemary Frei via Twitter, which raises questions about Vanden Bossche's case.
    Rosemary Frei's Twitter article has been reprinted by Vaccine Impact and Children's Health Defence. That is really interesting to me and a little confusing. Confusing to me because there is a strong need of coordination to STOP the covid gene therapy IMO. Does this cause a whirlpool swirl instead of a flow towards a common destination?

    Why is Geert Vanden Bossche Getting So Much Exposure in the Alternative Health Media? Could this Pro-Vaccine Scientist be “Controlled Opposition”?

    03/16/21
    Rebuttal: The ‘Not-So-Hidden Agenda’ Behind Bossche’s Concern Over COVID Mass Vaccination
    In her rebuttal to Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche’s open letter to the WHO, Rosemary Frei, MSc, outlines what she says are “a few of the dozens of clues” suggesting that Bossche’s argument “is a continuation of the overall COVID deception.”

    By
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    None of this is aimed at you Maggie but just a response to the linked articles - my thoughts, on the fly: I have enormous respect for Rosemary Frei. She writes very well usually, but, in this instance I do rather think that she's perhaps gone a little paranoid.

    Geert Vanden Bossche hasn't got any conflict of interest; he's clearly and transparently laid out his background and it seems that the 'alternative' (or new) media are leaping onto this from a staunchly anti-vax stance without being objective, at all.

    This is Bossche's area of expertise after all and he needs to be listened to, and understood. I'm no fan of vaccines for their own sakes, trust me, but to bandy around this accusation (sic) is ridiculous; to make an enemy of him is to spectacularly miss the real point of what he is saying. That these mRNA vaccines are likely extraordinarily dangerous and their use should be halted immediately.

    What on earth is wrong with that?

    Just because he is obviously pro-vax shouldn't make him public enemy number one in the 'Alt media' which as we know, and in these moments especially is equally guilty of the worst excesses of their nemesis, the 'old media'.

    He's actually stepped up and had some cojones to do that here. The fact that he has worked with GAVI and de-facto the Gates' is important to know. The content in his letter doesn't strike me as being open to editorialising to the degree that Frei, and disappointingly this time only, CHD. have who are just heaping more intrigue and speculation than is at all necessary.

    Rosemary, on this occasion, sadly, has demonstrated only an extraordinarily high degree of paranoia it seems and the weight of CHD's support has now amplified it.

    This doesn't serve the best interests of anyone.
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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

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    Here it is in the Avalon Library.
    That is great, Bill, thank you so much!!!
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    Default Re: Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, top vaccine developer, warns against vaccine rollout

    Yes, in this situation we need to keep the urgent short term goal in mind, and the more voices from people in the industry are speaking out against the rollout, the better. To publicly attack the first person who sticks their neck out, might prevent others from doing the same, which would not help the cause at all.

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    If I may interject, it is my considered opinion that all vaccines throughout history have in fact been misguided if not worse. Their efficacy is next to zero and the longer term repercussions have always been making humans more susceptible to disease, not less.

    I cannot recommend this book highly enough.

    Great

    About 4 or 5 days ago I'd downloaded a supporting video to this book and I'll flag that up soon.
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    Many thanks indeed for this book recommendation, Ewan. It looks like it is THE one to read on the subject, and even the reviews contain vital information from people's personal experiences.
    Here it is in the Avalon Library.
    Bill, you've used the library admin link here and not the actual library link itself.

    Here's the actual link

    https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Suz...%20History.pdf
    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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