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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    Quite right Araucaria, But....
    I doubt the young man wrote the OP with loving, interpersonal relations in mind. He may write that some day, but that is not the subject he was asking us about.

    We gotta write those loving, interpersonal stories, the so much more enjoyable ones ourselves, though if you look throughout Avalon there are many references to the many deeper, long lasting and much richer living some of us have had with our partners. Getting stuck in sexual identity may be missing so much of the beauty that we share, even as we continue to have intimate connections along the way. I see him noticing that, even if it is tangental and I'm reading my insight into it all. Did we forget to ask him what examples of loving relationships his parents and friends have?

    Make no mistake about it, whether written or not, starting a thread here is asking us what we know, what we've experienced and if we can share some of that knowledge. Even more so, if the heading of the thread is so insistent, claiming to be a fact, as if we are all so inexperienced and unaware. It's a challenge to accept with understanding or offense. He's gotten both, with a fair share of understandable "went there's" mixed in which should be helpful, to even the most insistent inquiry.

    It's not as if we've been entirely insightful with him, as it was he who exposed himself, not us. Maybe we don't have much to offer him as he is a fellow member here in this family......As if we were never him, in his place, with our own outer attractions being pushed on us by a demanding society......

    It seems he is dealing with finding another path other than the one society has laid out for handsome young adults, men and women alike, though the life path of young women is so much more abusive and insistent upon using them and not seeing them as the people they are.

    The insistence of those who control society, that many young women and men look, act and perform in their lives a certain way, is so pervasive that these young people confine their lives, their spirits, their undiscovered futures in the cages others have made, which can greatly diminish the empowerment they should have in living the intimate lives they would/ they alone should, choose. When one young soul seeks to find his or her own way I think it best we step back and see ourselves in their position, bypass their youthful arrogance and ask some deeper questions, offer some paths that may be of help. We have done some of that already on this thread......

    I see he wrote about his looks in that way, as he is not aware of how to articulate his natural distaste for the way society pushes him to behave, and he just doesn't want to ignore his energetic relationship to his own life's path. The yogic methods he describes, though helpful, won't help his attitude in dealing with what others assume he should become. That too is another yoga, but just one not often articulated, that of living in this complicated and intrusive world without being diverted away from our true paths. This is likely the first time a young man has written to us, as a community of values, concerning this one topic.

    We're watching him go thru what he feels is a draining of his energy. That's normal and real. That makes sense in a world that has used and abused sexuality to manipulate society and separate the amazing power that the meeting of the sexes can manifest, within and far beyond sexuality.

    Few his age talk about it that way and he's here, with us, knowing full well he'll get some honest and experiential feedback. And yes, extremes rarely, if ever are worthy life paths. We see, I see, him both grasping at solutions and exposing himself, as he is without being coy or humble, to advice that will be helpful. We'll either succeed or we won't in choosing to be helpful.

    I wouldn't worry about the crutch of being handsome for him, as that will pass as he succeeds in going beyond externalizing his energy and evolving his energy to follow the path his soul seeks. I can't describe what that is, as like many things, words cannot fit the living. Many times the paths to awareness are journeys that don't have clear routes to follow. And that is one of life's beauties....

    In my opinion it would have been, and maybe someday will be, a thread about how he has transmuted his sexual energies thru the methods he posted, while still living with those things many of us consider normal and healthy, responsible, consensual, sexual expressions.

    Sexual energy between the sexes is amazing, awesome and at times transcendent and clarifying.....And it is very different from one gender to the other. Where humanity lost it's connection to touch and forgot to love the entire body, by merely servicing the lowest sexual denominator, is beyond common sense. I don't see the young man's inquiry as being anything but being a bit premature...and we sometimes forget who we were when we were younger...
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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    The current, seemingly prevailing disconnect from Nature has many attendant ills.
    A return to simple, pure wisdom such as the I Ching ( The Book of Changes) can help show the way back, as well as forward.
    True evolution doesn't manifest in a straight line, but as a spiral which embraces what is worthy of preservation from the past with the visionary potential of the future.
    The I Ching posits that the nature of the Creative, or male aspect of Creation, and the Receptive, the feminine aspect, is to complete and balance each other.
    I can think of no more profound wisdom.
    (And of course, each individual has the potential within for balance of both aspects.)

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    I Ching
    Wilhelm Translation, 1950

    1. Ch'ien / The Creative

    above CH'IEN THE CREATIVE, HEAVEN


    The first hexagram is made up of six unbroken lines. These unbroken lines stand for the primal power, which is light-giving, active, strong, and of the spirit. The hexagram is consistently strong in character, and since it is without weakness, its essence is power or energy. Its image is heaven. Its energy is represented as unrestricted by any fixed conditions in space and is therefore conceived of as motion. Time is regarded as the basis of this motion. Thus the hexagram includes also the power of time and the power of persisting in time, that is, duration. The power represented by the hexagram is to be interpreted in a dual sense in terms of its action on the universe and of its action on the world of men. In relation to the universe, the hexagram expresses the strong, creative action of the Deity. In relation to the human world, it denotes the creative action of the holy man or sage, of the ruler or leader of men, who through his power awakens and develops their higher nature.

    THE JUDGMENT

    THE CREATIVE works sublime success, Furthering through perseverance.

    According to the original meaning, the attributes [sublimity, potentiality of success, power to further, perseverance] are paired. When an individual draws this oracle, it means that success will come to him from the primal depths of the universe and that everything depends upon his seeking his happiness and that of others in one way only, that is, by perseverance in what is right. The specific meanings of the four attributes became the subject of speculation at an early date. The Chinese word here rendered by "sublime" means literally "head," "origin," "great." This is why Confucius says in explaining it: "Great indeed is the generating power of the Creative; all beings owe their beginning to it. This power permeates all heaven." For this attribute inheres in the other three as well. The beginning of all things lies still in the beyond in the form of ideas that have yet to become real. But the Creative furthermore has power to lend form to these archetypes of ideas. This is indicated in the word success, and the process is represented by an image from nature: "The clouds pass and the rain does its work, and all individual beings flow into their forms." Applies to the human world, these attributes show the great man the way to notable success: "Because he sees with great clarity and cause and effects, he completes the six steps at the right time and mounts toward heaven on them at the right time, as though on six dragons." The six steps are the six different positions given in the hexagram, which are represented later by the dragon symbol. Here it is shown that the way to success lies in apprehending and giving actuality to the way of the universe [Tao], which, as a law running through end and beginning, brings about all phenomena in time. Thus each step attained forthwith becomes a preparation for the next. Time is no longer a hindrance but the means of making actual what is potential. The act of creation having found expression in the two attributes sublimity and success, the work of conservation is shown to be a continuous actualization and differentiation of form. This is expressed in the two terms "furthering" (literally, "creating that which accords with the nature of a given being") and "persevering" (literally, "correct and firm"). "The course of the Creative alters and shapes beings until each attains its true, specific nature, then it keeps them in conformity with the Great Harmony. Thus does it show itself to further through perseverance." In relation to the human sphere, this shows how the great man brings peace and security to the world through his activity in creating order: "He towers high above the multitude of beings, and all lands are united in peace." Another line of speculation goes still further in separating the words "sublime," "success," "furthering," "perseverance," and parallels them with the four cardinal virtues in humanity. To sublimity, which, as the fundamental principle, embraces all the other attributes, it links love. To the attribute success are linked the morals, which regulate and organize expressions of love and thereby make them successful. The attribute furthering is correlated with justice, which creates the conditions in which each receives that which accords with his being, that which is due him and which constitutes his happiness. The attribute perseverance is correlated with wisdom, which discerns the immutable laws of all that happens and can therefore bring about enduring conditions. These speculations, already broached in the commentary called Wên Yen , later formed the bridge connecting the philosophy of the "five stages (elements) of change," as laid down in the Book of History (Shu Ching) with the philosophy of the Book of Changes, which is based solely on the polarity of positive and negative principles. In the course of time this combination of the two systems of thought opened the way for an increasingly intricate number symbolism.

    THE IMAGE

    The movement of heaven is full of power.
    Thus the superior man makes himself strong and
    untiring.

    Since there is only one heaven, the doubling of the trigram Ch'ien, of which heaven is the image, indicates the movement of heaven. One complete revolution of heaven makes a day, and the repetition of the trigram means that each day is followed by another. This creates the idea of time. Since it is the same heaven moving with untiring power, there is also created the idea of duration both in and beyond time, a movement that never stops nor slackens, just as one day follows another in an unending course. This duration in time is the image of the power inherent in the Creative. With this image as a model, the sage learns how best to develop himself so that his influence may endure. He must make himself strong in every way, by consciously casting out all that is inferior and degrading. Thus he attains that tirelessness which depends upon consciously limiting the fields of his activity.

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    http://www2.unipr.it/~deyoung/I_Chin...slation.html#2
    2. K'un / The Receptive

    above K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH


    This hexagram is made up of broken lines only. The broken lines represents the dark, yielding, receptive primal power of yin. The attribute of the hexagram is devotion; its image is the earth. It is the perfect complement of THE CREATIVE--the complement, not the opposite, for the Receptive does not combat the Creative but completes it . It represents nature in contrast to spirit, earth in contrast to heaven, space as against time, the female-maternal as against the male-paternal. However, as applied to human affairs, the principle of this complementary relationship is found not only in the relation between man and woman, but also in that between prince and minister and between father and son. Indeed, even in the individual this duality appears in the coexistence of the spiritual world and the world of the senses. But strictly speaking there is no real dualism here, because there is a clearly defined hierarchic relationship between the two principles. In itself of course the Receptive is just as important as the Creative, but the attribute of devotion defines the place occupied by this primal power in relation to the Creative. For the Receptive must be activated and led by the Creative; then it is productive of good. Only when it abandons this position and tries to stand as an equal side by side with the Creative, does it become evil. The result then is opposition to and struggle against the Creative, which is productive of evil to both.

    THE JUDGMENT

    THE RECEPTIVE brings about sublime success,
    Furthering through the perseverance of a mare.
    If the superior man undertakes something and tries to lead,
    He goes astray;
    But if he follows, he finds guidance.
    It is favorable to find friends in the west and south,
    To forego friends in the east and north.
    Quiet perseverance brings good fortune.

    The four fundamental aspects of the Creative--"sublime success, furthering through perseverance"--are also attributed to the Receptive. Here, however, the perseverance is more closely defined: it is that of a mare. The Receptive connotes spatial reality in contrast to the spiritual potentiality of the Creative. The potential becomes real and the spiritual becomes spatial through a specifically qualifying definition. Thus the qualification, "of a mare," is here added to the idea of perseverance. The horse belongs to earth just as the dragon belongs to heaven. Its tireless roaming over the plains is taken as a symbol of the vast expanse of the earth. This is the symbol chosen because the mare combines the strength and swiftness of the horse with the gentleness and devotion of the cow. Only because nature in its myriad forms corresponds with the myriad impulses of the Creative can it make these impulses real. Nature's richness lies in its power to nourish all living things; its greatness lies in its power to give then beauty and splendor. Thus it prospers all that lives. IT is the Creative that begets things, but they are brought to birth by the Receptive. Applied to human affairs, therefore, what the hexagram indicated is action in conformity with the situation. The person in questions not in an independent position, but is acting as an assistant. This means that he must achieve something. It is not his task to try to lead--that would only make him lose the way-but to let himself be led. If he knows how to meet fate with an attitude of acceptance, he is sure to find the right guidance. The superior man lets himself be guided; he does not go ahead blindly, but learns from the situation what is demanded of him and then follows this intimation from fate. Since there is something to be accomplished, we need friends and helpers in the hour of toil and effort, once the ideas to be realized are firmly set. The time of toil and effort is indicated by the west and south, for west and south symbolize the place where the Receptive works for the Creative, as nature does in summer and autumn. If in that situation one does not mobilize all one's powers, the work to be accomplished will not be done. Hence to find friends there means to find guidance. But in addition to the time of toil and effort, there is also a time of planning, and for this we need this solitude. The east symbolized the place where a man receives orders from his master, and the north the place where he reports on what he has done. At that time he must be alone and objective. In this sacred hour he must do without companions. So that the purity of the moment may not be spoiled by fictional hates and favoritism.

    THE IMAGE

    The earth's condition is receptive devotion.
    Thus the superior man who has breadth of character
    Carries the outer world.

    Just as there is only one heaven, so too there is only one earth. In the hexagram of heaven the doubling of the trigram implies duration in time, but in the hexagram of earth the doubling connotes the solidity and extension in space by virtue of which the earth is able to carry and preserve all things that live and move upon it. The earth in its devotion carries all things, good and evil,, without exception. In the same way the superior man gives to his character breadth, purity, and sustaining power, so that he is able both to support and to bear with people and things.

    *****************

    Also to be considered is the nature of the 7 chakras in the human body, and how that manifests in an individual.
    The root chakra, characterized by the color red, is the center for physical Sensation.
    That is only the beginning of the evolutionary journey of consciousness, which ascends through each center from the root to the crown, the seat of Imagination, and beyond...
    See: https://drsircus.com/spiritual-psych...or-psychology/

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    Sexual energy between the sexes is amazing, awesome and at times transcendent and clarifying.....And it is very different from one gender to the other. Where humanity lost it's connection to touch and forgot to love the entire body, by merely servicing the lowest sexual denominator, is beyond common sense. I don't see the young man's inquiry as being anything but being a bit premature...and we sometimes forget who we were when we were younger...
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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    A really enjoyed reading all these posts thanks OP. Porn is just on the internet, it is a choice to watch it or not. But Sex is everywhere in our world. I think most men get triggered so easily by sex in the modern world. It seems to dominate our experience while our natural state is one of peace, not arousal. It feels artificial in the sense that we crave sex so often when actually it is the love we receive during sex that we desire. Sex has been injected into our world acting as a kind of Trojan horse, we welcome it into our lives but it offers little in return. Masturbation is an energy-draining addiction. Everyman has had episodes in their lives when it becomes a crutch to lean on. It is a tool that we use to cheer us up, calm us down, release sexual frustrations and also because it has been a **** day! We do it to ourselves.

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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    The ejaculation thread has now turn into a full blown bashing thread with few exemption. This is far more entertaining than I have anticipated LOL. On a serious note I dont agree with the OP that ejaculation is the most energy draining or handicap we have. I suggest to those who have chronic health problems to start eating less. You can thank me later

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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    The ejaculation thread has now turn into a full blown bashing thread with few exemption. This is far more entertaining than I have anticipated LOL. On a serious note I dont agree with the OP that ejaculation is the most energy draining or handicap we have. I suggest to those who have chronic health problems to start eating less. You can thank me later
    Arrogance is one hell of a drug, sometimes, it can even make you think you are "charismatic", that's probably the main issue on that OP
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    Default Re: Men, ejaculating is the single biggest handicap you can give yourself in the game of life

    Quote Posted by waxamillionpehhgasus (here)
    Kind of a sticky subject (pun absolutely intended) but someone needs to talk about it. For the record, I’m in my mid-20s and quite the looker. That sounds egotistical, but it must be said - because no one cares about sex advice from someone who can’t get laid.

    This post is going to be aggressive and in your face. It needs to be - because currently, there is a 99.9% chance that you are an ADDICT. There’s nothing wrong with being an addict. I used to be one, too. The issues arise when addicts don’t think they’re addicted. If you ejaculate all of the time and don’t think there’s an issue with it, you fall into that category. I’d rather ruffle some feathers than fail to get my point across.

    Let us proceed. Men, everything you have been told about ejaculation for your entire life is a big, fat, disgusting LIE. For the past four months, I have been completely celibate - no masturbation, no sex, nothing. Sexual thoughts have entered my mind, but I’ve made every possible effort to transmute them into something more productive...

    And I have ascended. My mental acuity is as sharp as a katana. My charisma is off the charts. Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. Anxiety does not exist for me. Stress does not exist for me. I never feel awkward. My foundation is as solid as an ancient mountain. This is not an exaggeration. I am playing a different game from all of the other men I see in my day to day. I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. Once again, this may sound egotistical, but I need to clearly tell you about the benefits.

    Speaking of, let’s talk about physical benefits. I have never been in better shape… even when I was a gym rat. About a week into celibacy, my body just started sculpting itself. I barely even exercised at the time. Seriously, I did like 15 burpees one day and the muscle gains I acquired were staggering. I was honestly in shock.

    Energy levels? Off the charts. I’m never tired like you are. Guess what? I don’t even drink caffeine anymore. That’s just how much energy I have. I need very little sleep. And my skin complexion is nothing short of brilliant. Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me! (Feel free to chalk this up to my age - then go ahead and look around at the other mid-20s “men” you see walking around. They’re not like this.)

    Onto the specifics we go. Most consider sperm to be a waste fluid that needs to be released every day, or at least every week. This is patently false. Consider the nature of sperm. You ejaculate and a human life is literally created. How is that a waste product? Do you think fluid that literally CREATES LIFE... is easy to generate?

    No. IT’S NOT. You are exhausting yourself by ejaculating to an absurd degree. You simply do not notice how exhausted you are... because you have been doing it for your entire life! In other words, you’ve adjusted. But you can’t really adjust to something like that, just like a heroin addict cannot truly adjust to injecting heroin. Perhaps he can become functional, but he’ll always be a shell of his true potential.

    Consider the effects that pregnancy has on a woman. Nine months. Very draining, or so I’ve heard. Do you really think that the male does not have to put in some sort of equivalent effort as the female does? That the man just gets a free pass? Absolutely not. How does that make any sense? Like the woman, you sacrifice a part of yourself to create a new life. The woman does it over the span of nine months… you do it when you ejaculate and when you regenerate your sperm after the fact.

    “Hold your horses, buddy. When I don’t ejaculate for more than a couple days, I feel on edge and aggressive. I’m too horny to function. I don’t sleep well. Maybe it worked for you, but I’m different. I need to ejaculate constantly to feel healthy.”

    No, you don’t. You’re simply addicted to ejaculating. More than that, you’re addicted to sexual arousal. You’re just like a cigarette smoker. The smoker doesn’t understand how non-smokers can get through the day without a cigarette. Even more hilariously, smokers think their addiction benefits them - that it’s “worth it”. You are just like them. To the outsider, the smoker looks foolish. To me, you look foolish for ejaculating all of the time. Fool! I apologize for being so obtuse, but someone needs to drive this point home!

    (Did you know? The only animals that masturbate are low-status monkeys in captivity. Say hello to your brethren!)

    The truth is, you are currently addicted to sexual arousal, just like the smoker is addicted to the cigarette. When a woman walks by, you stare like a creep. What happens then? Well, you think you’re going to have sex! But you’re not. So the sexual frustration just builds. And it keeps building, because you keep thinking about sex, just like a smoker keeps thinking about a cigarette.

    What happens then? Eventually, you drive yourself insane, just like the smoker who keeps thinking about cigarettes without getting his fix. Then, you do in fact need a release, just like the smoker needs a cigarette.

    But the release itself is not intrinsically necessary, just like the cigarette is not intrinsically necessary! You have simply convinced yourself that it is necessary by forming an addiction - one that likely began when you were a teenager, or maybe even 11 or 12 years of age, before you had a f***ing clue what you were doing in the game of life.

    In other words, up until this very moment, as far as ejaculation goes, you have played yourself. You have a habit of expending your single biggest source of life force energy… for literally no reason, other than the fact that you’re addicted to it.

    Now, this does not mean that you can never have sex again. I plan to try tantric sex at some point in the future with a worthy partner. But masturbation? Give me a break. NO. Never again. Neither should you. Unless you want to expend life force energy for absolutely no reason and give yourself a major handicap in the game of life. You are better off getting completely inebriated from an assortment of different drugs. (I’m harping on masturbation in particular because I don’t expect people to make the jump to full-blown celibacy right away.)

    I can now INSTANTLY tell when a man masturbates. It’s so obvious - the ways their eyes shift around, the weakness of their gait, their timidness, their awkwardness, their lack of self-confidence. And you know what? SO CAN WOMEN. They have built-in sensors and can pick up what you’re putting out from a mile away. I would sometimes get glances from women in the past, but many would seem to look at me in disgust, which didn’t make much sense due to my looks. Now I get it. They know. I promise you, they know. They don’t know how they know, but they do. And they automatically treat you differently if you’re one of the ejaculators.

    Let me be perfectly clear. Men, whether or not you ejaculate takes all priority in the social dynamics of human existence. Chronic ejaculators get NO respect from EITHER sex.

    Now for some good news. 99.99% of men in today’s society are chronic masturbators, to the tune of at LEAST once per week. By stopping this degenerate practice, you are going to gain a MAJOR EDGE in the game of life. You are going to be literally shocked at how quickly your life improves and how differently people start treating you. And that’s not even including the extra energy, strength, stamina, health benefits, etc. that you will receive. (If you are already doing pretty well for yourself... I can assure you, you haven't even begun to peak!)

    But it takes more than simply not touching your dick or having casual sex. You need to also purify your mind. Or else you are going to drive yourself insane and eventually “relapse”.

    How do you purify your mind? You need to transmute your sexual energy. Yoga, meditation, exercise, creative outlets - anything! When you get a sexual thought, take a deep breath and imagine the energy flowing from your lowest chakra straight to your crown chakra. You can literally feel the energy travel up your spine. Don’t repress sexuality - simply move the energy around your body, HARNESS IT, and become the person who you always wanted to be with almost no effort at all. Life becomes very easy when you are not constantly exhausting yourself for a spurt of pleasure that lasts for three damn seconds.

    I’m going to stop here - either I’ve piqued your curiosity or I haven’t. If I have, I will link to three resources below. If you read these three resources, or even a portion of one of them, you will never look at ejaculation in the same way ever again. In fact, you will look back and wonder how on earth you spent such a significant portion of your life needlessly expending life force energy for absolutely no reason at all. Count on it!

    The Coiled Serpent - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

    The Practice of Brahmacharya - download file and go to fviewer.com/view-epub to read it

    A Treatise on the Diseases Produced By Onanism, Masturbation, Self-Pollution, and other excesses - this was written about a century ago and as such is somewhat hard to read, but it’s a gem

    P.S. No hate towards smokers - I was a nicotine addict for eight years (half+ pack per day / 1+ pod per day). I was easily able to become completely sober - I even quit caffeine! - once I stopped ejaculating. The benefits you will receive from not doing this single activity far outweigh any temporary pleasure you get from it. Once you get a grip on your masturbation habits, you will want to look into tantric sex - or just realize that there is a whole freaking lot more worth living for than fleeting sexual pleasure.

    P.P.S. I have NO IDEA what is to be said about masturbation/sex for women - this thread is aimed exclusively at men.

    P.P.P.S. If you are so confident in your masturbation habits, why are you so ashamed of them? Would you brag about how many times you masturbated each week to a member of the opposite sex? Would you make a post on Facebook detailing your masturbation habits? Of course not! Because deep down, you’re ashamed. Okay… now I’m done. God bless this wonderful forum where I have learned so much.
    I still would like to know, why did you chose "maximillion pegasus" to be your nick name, do you approach life to want to become like him? That would explain plenty

    Once you can reply, if you can, please be considerate for all people here. Life in jail can be very hard, i heard, keep safe
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    By pure chance i had the idea at 18 to challange myself for a month to not engage in said proclivities at all, and after quite a tough month at that age...I can atest to the above. I learned a deep and rippling lesson about energy, and the nature of cultivating it during that time. It was quite eye opening. Ive practiced retention properly since about 27 with intermittant release when desired or needed. And ive seen the benefits and would recommend, health and other wise. And if nothing else its a instructive lesson in discipline.

    The term ''bullets of manifestation'' comes to mind, but the visual is much less enamouring...And being fully loaded rather than spent is a much better prospect for creating the life and experience thats desired down here. Creative energy is precious. Really precious.

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    Quote And I have ascended. (...) Both men and women are in absolute awe when I am in their presence. (...) I never see another man who is on my level. EVER! They try to fake it, but it’s clear as day that they’re lying to themselves and others when they’re faced with the real thing. (...) Most men look sullen, weak, and dead inside. Not me!
    The OP bears without doubt some truth but the problem is indeed that the poster does not come across as genuine to me.

    There is even a bit of a contradiction. If you are 'ascended' somehow or even 'enlightened', as is claimed more or less directly, well, you would never make such an ego-related and self-aggrandizing post in the first place.

    Therefore the term 'ascended' does not ring true to me. Given the young age we must be forgiving somewhat due to the hormonal imbalances and the youthful energy in general. It's indeed a confusing age. One day you believe you got it all figured out and then it all crumbles again. Things change fast.

    If you are truly ascended/enlightened you also do not elevate yourself verbally and in the same breath denigrate all of your fellow beings (men in this case) this way (see quote). You just don't.

    Honestly spoken, this post reads almost like a maniac phase of a bipolar person for me. I'm not saying he is and don't want to be mean. Still I hope for the OP that there will be no relapse / setback and bad wake-up from this elated state into a rather 'depressed' or just 'sober' one.

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    I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
    The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
    I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
    The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
    This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
    The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
    Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
    The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
    As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

    I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
    When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

    Excuse my french.
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    Quote Posted by silver birch (here)
    I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
    The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
    I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
    The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
    This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
    The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
    Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
    The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
    As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

    I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
    When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

    Excuse my french.
    I have no problem with your French, but... you have been a member here (pun intended) since 2012 and this is practically your first post on the main forum. What continence. Chapeau


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    Quote Posted by silver birch (here)
    I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
    The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
    I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
    The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
    This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
    The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
    Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
    The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
    As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

    I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
    When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

    Excuse my french.
    Agree to your French . But you are not a thread-crasher since it has been said here before, by me (in another post) and others, have you read the entire thread at all?

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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by silver birch (here)
    I do not want to be a partytrasher but this thread may need some scientific truths ...
    The main idea on this thread that you stay crispy and interesting in your mind by not ejaculating too often is probably true, especially when young. It is also my experience from back in the days during the former millenia but I would like to add a story some may find stimulating for their scientific investigative minds.
    I have three points to make, the first is an interview on Swedish Radio many moons ago (do not remember the year) with an urologist working at UniversitetsSjukhuset Lund (southern Sweden), talking about prostate cancer.
    The part that made a standing impression (no PUN intended) was his statement that according to his experience with patients, the most effective and easy prevention of prostate problems (enlarging and cancer) would be to ejaculate at least five days a week.
    This is not as strange as it may sound when you consider the next point in my humble contribution.
    The prostate's function is as everybody knows, to supply the reproductive function with a liquid for the (small volume of) sperms to thrive and be activated during conception.
    Without being an expert, this includes supplying zinc and other chemicals fit for the task.
    The crucial part in this is probably the prostate's bias to accumulate zinc (mainly benevolent heavy metal) but also other heavy metals like lead, being very toxic.
    As our modern air, water and food contains lead, arsenic and cadmium for example, this may be the reason for the urologist's conclusion.

    I would also like to throw another wrench in the threadmachinery by reminding about the possibility that avoiding ejaculation may have a function in putting an end to old grumpy males surviving in societies without contributing much, and therefore being a burden ...
    When old men lose their intrerest in procreating and ejaculating for fun, their prostate will kill them by being overloaded with heavy metals and such. Nature is so wise.

    Excuse my french.
    I have no problem with your French, but... you have been a member here (pun intended) since 2012 and this is practically your first post on the main forum. What continence. Chapeau
    Maybe the guy is so eager to share his experience just like the over-eagerness of the OP . Few people will understand this phenomenon as few people have gone through this experience. I remember when I was going through this experience suddenly all people I meet on the streets were smiling at me even people I dont know. When I got back in our house I proceeded directly to my room and look myself in the mirror thinking there is probably something in my face, paint or anything that make people smile.. What I see instead is a vibrant boy smiling back at me. I look away from the mirror. I am not smiling, not making any effort to smile. I look again in the mirror and he is smiling. Its like being happy is effortless. That's the sort of accession that the OP is talking about. Not the spiritual ascension. You improve in many aspects by many levels. Suddenly I was jumping higher running faster my appetite doubled overall the quality of my life has improved many levels. Almost All of what is mentioned in the OP I can relate to. And this is all because I stop ejaculating four six times a week because I was called by my father to work in our poultry while at the same time I can never miss the fun with my peers mostly sports. Every single joule for ejaculating was diverted to work. And its pretty hard work. Often I have to grind 25 kg of corn in a manual grinder 3 passes. I learned much from this experience. And still, use it to date. Actually, all sort of orgasmic activity has a profound effect on our health. Its energy cultivating or healing. When we ejaculate we release the energy and then replenish release replenish. This sort of vibration is like a swing every time it goes you add a little energy and you go higher and higher if done right. Think of the things that gave you an orgasmic feeling... When you are catching your breath during exercise and almost on the verge of collapse, then you relax. there you feel some orgasm. consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included. While everything that is bad is promoted, vax included. We should learn to listen and trust our senses more.

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    Thank you for posting this, I appreciate it, it is timely for me.

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    consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
    We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
    We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.
    Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

    There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

    While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.
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    Fascinating replies! I work as a copywriter, so this post was in fact crafted with a very particular style of writing in mind, to appeal to a very specific audience. I seem to have reached at least one person - which makes it completely worth it!

    Most have completely missed the point - I'm talking primarily about male ejaculation, not celibacy. According to some, apparently I've never been in a loving interpersonal relationship - which is QUITE the assumption to make. Are you able to glean that much information about a person's life due to the words and punctuation they use on a forum post? Does my style of writing indicate how I behave in real life, and how other people perceive me as I go about my day-to-day? Apparently, it does. Who knew? Flawless assumptions. I must have NO charisma. Zero.

    Others have harped on certain words such as "ascended", assuming I was talking about spiritual ascension, when the rest of the post does not indicate that at all. To be completely upfront, in terms of energy levels and motivation compared to my male peers, I have certainly "ascended". I feel as if I was completely clear in the first post - I was being blunt and borderline brash to get my point across. The point being: reckless male ejaculation = bad news. Keyword: reckless. It's a handicap. Full stop.

    You're free to believe whatever you want, of course. Perhaps I'm just delusional. I've gone months and months without ejaculating and put in the work to transmute my sexual energy into other avenues simply because I'm delusional. Makes sense. Everyone is aware that a major topic in Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich is sexual energy transmutation, right? It's only one of the most popular self-help books of all times. And countless other highly-respected self-help materials talk about it, too! I'm not the first one to talk about this. Not by a long shot.

    Others have gone so far as to bash me directly due to my style of writing, going so far as to call me bipolar and/or depressed (such as a member with the username "Open Minded Dude"). How "open minded"! Amazing.

    A select few have read the post fully and replied with solid information regarding these topics, particularly in regards to the dangers of porn and the benefits of taoism. Respect. You guys are right on the money.

    As I clearly mentioned in the first post, I don't expect everyone to get on board with celibacy or my overall lifestyle. I'm aware that it's extreme, and I don't think I'll be doing this for the rest of my life. But for now, considering what I see in my day-to-day, I firmly believe that the VAST majority of males are handicapping themselves due to what society has taught them about ejaculation - in particular, those under 40 years of age - and I won't beat around the bush regarding it!

    Lastly, male ejaculation is not a prerequisite to having a loving relationship with a member of the opposite sex. You can't love someone else because you, as a male, don't ejaculate? Please!

    No matter what you've replied with, it's all good - my only intended audience was the group of men I was targeting! If you're a male, and you're happy masturbating and ejaculating all of the time, you do you. No harm done. For the rest of you who feel like you suffer from a handicap, anxiety, depression, awkwardness, lack of muscle development, lack of confidence, brain fog, you name it - check out the resources I linked in the original post and get to work. One single month of transmuting your sexual energy away from degeneracy will change how you see the world. Peace!

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    Quote Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
    We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.
    Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

    There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

    While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.
    Nearly all of the points you made are based on someone's experiment or studies, scientist/experts not yours. Well my senses , the common sense part, tells me that anything that is process probably has poison in it or it lacks nutrients. What is good with simple sugar? our body do not have to process/ work to utilize it. Therefore our body can use its effort instead on some useful task, like healing. You dont have to believe me but when I feel weak or about to get ill. I do a sugar boost. Just consume lots of them even the process ones. And I'm back. Starch or complex sugar? our body will work on it, convert it to simple sugars and in the end our body also absorbs simple sugar no different than consuming simple sugar, but less the work. That is why those who consume lots of complex sugar has virtually no energy for another task. Most of the energy they derive from it they also use for converting it to simple sugars. Lastly, but not the least. I'm an extremely healthy person. I can do all sorts of body abuse but when I want to go back to top shape I can do it in less than a month from total wreck. Common sense tells me to take health advice from people who are able to maintain a top gun health..

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    In the game of life, masturbating is the single biggest stress release. Its harmless, free and divine.
    Every man can as often as he likes ...ejaculate. But how long can you masturbate without ejaculating?
    Thats where it gets interesting, for you and your partner(s).
    Make it an art!
    Practise (3x)

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    I wouldn't recommend that kind of art after 50, mother nature is going to work for you. Otherwise Prostatic hyperplasia risk is waiting for you.

    --for OP(waxamillion) don't get hostile to your body either ways(absent- overdoing). Also probably you never had a dog as a pet, you would have understand how testosterones work.
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    I think sex as a whole is overblown (dreadful pun, I am not contrite) in our society, and males are encouraged to indulge in porn, see their self worth in terms of sexual conquest; porn can be a terrible trap for some males.
    I get what you are articulating, and admire your self insight - some might be offended at the brash confidence, but it does not bother me.
    Yes, there is much in this, Indian Yogis teach restraint, and refocusing sexual energy. Addiction to ejaculation can be a genuine matter, just because we are biological does not mean we have to enslave ourselves to gratification.
    Good on you, mind you I am coming up to 63 so bedding wenches is not high on my list of objectives, so perhaps I am not typical!

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    consuming extremely delicious foods. In my case organic pineapple juice or organic mango. The sort that is very sweet. But hey all people will tell you sugar is not good for you. While your senses is telling you otherwise. We should know by now that everything that is good for the masses is demonized, sugar included.
    We need to distinguish between 'natural' sugar in food and the industrial / refined / saccharine sugar. The first is mostly okay since we need lots of glucose to survive and for energy anyway, without it we would die instantly (brain exclusively feeds on glucose as energy source for example). The second type added excessively to today's industrial foods, well, there are hundreds of studies and even some good documentaries out there proving it to you otherwise. Really recommendable to make a distinction here.
    Kinda off topic here, but I'll add something to this. Sugar is sugar, and nature doesn't contain a lot of it, except in fruit and some vegetables. The main difference is that in fruit, you are getting fiber and vitamins and nutrients at the same time as sugar. The fiber greatly slows the absorption of sugar, and helps reduce blood sugar and insulin spikes - it is these spikes that are bad for the body. When you consume sugar without the supporting fiber and nutrients your body takes a hit - and the only way to do that is to eat refined sugars.

    There's a huge difference between eating an orange that has ~12 grams of sugar, 2 grams of soluble fiber plus over one gram of insoluble fiber (3 grams of fiber total), several vitamins and minerals, and drinking a 500ml bottle of soda that contains about 50 grams of sugar and no nutrients whatsoever. It isn't as much the forms of sugar (they would be similar), but one can clearly see how one of those is much worse for you - especially considering how one would cause a massive blood sugar spike, and the other not.

    While the body does operate on "sugar", we do not need to consume it at all. The body will convert all starches (grains, starchy vegetables (think root vegetables)) into sugar for its use, and in the absence of starches, the body will convert proteins and fats into sugar as needed as well. Consumption is not at all a requirement. Consider that if we lived naturally, without processed foods there would not be much sugar in our diet, particularly in northern countries where you only get a couple months of fruit.
    Nearly all of the points you made are based on someone's experiment or studies, scientist/experts not yours. Well my senses , the common sense part, tells me that anything that is process probably has poison in it or it lacks nutrients. What is good with simple sugar? our body do not have to process/ work to utilize it. Therefore our body can use its effort instead on some useful task, like healing. You dont have to believe me but when I feel weak or about to get ill. I do a sugar boost. Just consume lots of them even the process ones. And I'm back. Starch or complex sugar? our body will work on it, convert it to simple sugars and in the end our body also absorbs simple sugar no different than consuming simple sugar, but less the work. That is why those who consume lots of complex sugar has virtually no energy for another task. Most of the energy they derive from it they also use for converting it to simple sugars. Lastly, but not the least. I'm an extremely healthy person. I can do all sorts of body abuse but when I want to go back to top shape I can do it in less than a month from total wreck. Common sense tells me to take health advice from people who are able to maintain a top gun health..
    Where was I arguing that you shouldn't consume sugar? I simply stated that it isn't required because your body will create the exact forms of sugar it needs from other nutrients. I stated that sugar is bad if you don't consume it with fiber and supporting nutrients, and the only way you can do this is to consume processed and refined sugars, as in soda, because it causes a massive sugar and insulin spike which is hard on your body, whereas naturally sourced sugar that is consumed with fiber - as in fresh fruit, does not have this effect. And yes this is scientifically proven ...

    If you think drinking soda is good for you, have at it ...

    Last edited by DeDukshyn; 31st March 2021 at 18:00.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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