Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination

[Bill Ryan]

This is a companion thread to Trisher's What to do if you have had the experimental jab — how to support friends and family who have been vaccinated, enthusiastically or otherwise.

I'm in that very position with a dear friend in the UK, working in healthcare, who was bullied into taking the shot with [illegal] threats of losing her job.

I forwarded her every article and warning I could think of. She really didn't want to have the thing, but succumbed.

Now it's done, I can't continue scaring her. I have to support her by making light of it and NOT sending her any more frightening reports of serious injuries... they just wouldn't help her state of mind at all.

[wegge]

I also had some friends who „surprised“ me with already having taken the shot and I also figured it’s not a good idea to then keep hammering on the potential harm so as not to stimulate the nocebo (placebo‘s dark cousin) effect.

[Zirconian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is a companion thread to Trisher's What to do if you have had the experimental jab — how to support friends and family who have been vaccinated, enthusiastically or otherwise.

I'm in that very position with a dear friend in the UK, working in healthcare, who was bullied into taking the shot with [illegal] threats of losing her job.

I forwarded her every article and warning I could think of. She really didn't want to have the thing, but succumbed.

Now it's done, I can't continue scaring her. I have to support her by making light of it and NOT sending her any more frightening reports of serious injuries... they just wouldn't help her state of mind at all.

I deeply feel for her Bill.

This is a good idea from Trisher for a thread, in that it will give us all positive information to pass on to others who have had the jab and are worried.

It's a positive and compassionate approach to send this information for those who need solutions.

I would like to emphasis borax which is on the list.

[Trisher]

Yes the same has happened to me. Many friends now after seeing various articles etc have decided to go ahead or sadly feel forced to. That is one of the main reasons I started the thread. There is so much negativity out there to sift through to find the truth and in reality people need something positive to do for themselves and others in whatever way they can.
That's a good idea of yours Bill to start a support thread it will be much needed in the days ahead. Just a note about Vit D3 which many are deficient in ..it is recommended to take it with K2. Something I would also add is to avoid sugar and to take antioxidants.

[pyrangello]

Same for me , many many close friends, If they told me they have had the shot already , I just listen and stay supportive. For those that are on the fence I do what I can to inform. I know 3 nurses that have said no way as well. Good thread to start Bill and yes we are supportive here as well .

[Metaphor]

Great thread. I was just confronted with this. As I was browsing the thread about vaccine injuries I got a message that two eldery friends just got it (and were happy about it). I chose not responding as I did not want to send them negative input in this situation. If its done its done

[wondering]

I can say that I know more people now who have gotten it, friends and family both, and fewer who are against it. One friend said she doesn't feel that much safer having gotten it because of the variants....OMG, it feels like it will never end. These are intelligent, capable people...I continue to be amazed and appalled...and then I remind myself that I am not in charge of the Universe (thank God)...and each path is their own, as is mine. It's the only thing that gives me any comfort. That and hearing from intelligent, capable people who are seeing things far differently.

[Anna70]

Thank you ever so much for having started this very relevant thread. Governments are trying to divide, divide and divide, and if we allow them to create division between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed as well, we'd only be helping them.

Good comment from Trisher regarding the use of vitamin K2 alongside D3!

[Delight]

Posted by wondering (here)
I can say that I know more people now who have gotten it, friends and family both, and fewer who are against it. One friend said she doesn't feel that much safer having gotten it because of the variants....OMG, it feels like it will never end. These are intelligent, capable people...I continue to be amazed and appalled...and then I remind myself that I am not in charge of the Universe (thank God)...and each path is their own, as is mine. It's the only thing that gives me any comfort. That and hearing from intelligent, capable people who are seeing things far differently.

I feel the same as you. I feel appalled by what looks to me a terrible choice and do THANK GOD that "each path is their own, as is mine".

Some people whom I respect are very sure nothing can be done afterwards but I just have to refuse that idea. God whomever we call God is in the very creation and I have been thinking that this "tech" cannot be outside the workings.

wegge said

I also had some friends who „surprised“ me with already having taken the shot and I also figured it’s not a good idea to then keep hammering on the potential harm so as not to stimulate the nocebo (placebo‘s dark cousin) effect.

Do others follow Joe Dispenza and his cohorts who talk about how the nocebo effect can literally kill as the placebo effect can cure? Yes, we really cannot be the voice of doom and spread hopelessness. That has been my problem... I just did not know HOW to be positive.

The last conversation with someone choosing Vaxx whom I have been shopping for every 2 weeks was MY heart break not hers. She knew I thought she should not use the vaccine. She has no internet and of course has TV and my information of available treatment was not heard. So last time I was with her she gave me her news. I felt like a physical blow came across to me. I could not speak and wanted to burst into tears.

It made me wonder if I am the one who is crazy? Many even frail people seem to be having little negative response at first. Of course it is ABSURD to even have ONE person harmed (and we know about all the reports), die or be disabled for THIS covid-19 issue.

At first like many I did think that this must be terrible (as we all made our way through 2020). I even was miffed at Jon Rappaport and others at first. I also had great revelations about the "germ theory" where I am now open to knowing how "little we do know" and imagine the next step is actually replace scientism and religiosity with the gold standard of science. Also I saw how "do no harm" is now passe and learned we MUST learn self care and return to "nature IS the pharmacy".

My friends NEVER went past the initial fear. I stopped being someone they would engage. Now I think they may dislike me because they see me as a little bit like a sociopath who does not care for others. That is so far from the case.

Cognitive dissonance is a real hurdle. I have great compassion for those who were unwilling to do the work that WE at PA have been doing all year. Knowing what I know now, there is NO WAY I will agree to be vaccinated. I now want to learn how to be effectively civilly disobedient.

In this thread maybe we can share our horror and fear of where things are "going" so we can get it off our chest? I feel a deep bubbling sense that I am living on top of a volcano. It would be one thing to anticipate a slow decline where one can move away. I fear a sudden "all hell breaks loose" conflagration of social melt down. I keep re-centering to "I am here, all is well now and God is here" and calm down. Then I need to do it again a thousand times as I feel so unstable in "the reality" around me. Thanks for letting us share.

I hope the people I have been hearing are mistaken about a post vax remedy. I wish that this "There is a cure for the vax" be the next thing I hear. I would be most happy that the vax is not a problem for the human race.

[Karen (Geophyz)]

I have had multiple family members get the shot. My sister and my brother have both gotten it, my son informed me he was getting it as well as his wife. I just don't say anything any more. They have to find their own path. I will admit lately I have been asking myself if I am wrong in my opinion of the jab. Perhaps I am the paranoid one! But I am quickly realizing if I ever want to fly again I have have to have it. I don't know what will be next, the grocery store? Drivers license?

[Delight]

Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
I have had multiple family members get the shot. My sister and my brother have both gotten it, my son informed me he was getting it as well as his wife. I just don't say anything any more. They have to find their own path. I will admit lately I have been asking myself if I am wrong in my opinion of the jab. Perhaps I am the paranoid one! But I am quickly realizing if I ever want to fly again I have have to have it. I don't know what will be next, the grocery store? Drivers license?

That is SO like me. It has really struck me that maybe there is an underlying streak of paranoia in me that is mistaken. There is a saying that makes me laugh

"Just because you are paranoid, it does not mean someone is not out to get you?" SERIOUSLY I feel I am living on top of a volcano but everyone else around me cannot feel it rumbling. In the last couple of weeks I have wondered if I need counseling but cannot think of how that would help?

The reason I will hunker down and wait and see what happens is that whether or not I am paranoid, there is something SO STRANGE about how the vaccination issue has been treated all along (Denying that it may be a huge mistake. Denying that people are becoming autistic at exponential rates and that SIDS is vaccine injury for example... REFUSING to acknowledge thses issues). Now it is so STRANGE that every public health measure has been subverting health (masks, lock downs etc.).

I am really wondering about EVERYTHING, questioning myself and all I know BUT I am CERTAIN that there is a PRESENCE around me that is literally keeping me from becoming despondent. I cannot make sense of how ANY future will be.

It is an UNKNOWN and that is actually what I have been studying is part of a paradigm shift to a new earth... I AM holding on to POSITIVE woowoo for dear life.

[Trisher]

Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
I have had multiple family members get the shot. My sister and my brother have both gotten it, my son informed me he was getting it as well as his wife. I just don't say anything any more. They have to find their own path. I will admit lately I have been asking myself if I am wrong in my opinion of the jab. Perhaps I am the paranoid one! But I am quickly realizing if I ever want to fly again I have have to have it. I don't know what will be next, the grocery store? Drivers license?

The Vax does nothing to stop you getting covid nor does it stop you spreading it. It physically alters your immune system. At the moment we have no idea where this is all going. If you are contemplating taking it stand at the very back of the queue because at the moment we are being told there is no going back on it once you have it in your system. Its a serious choice to make.

[haroldsails]

Awkward times ahead for those of us who have chosen not to drink the kool-aid.
After working for a number of years in the "religion business", and not being from the right tribe, I had to develop evasive tactics to stay employed.
This Covid religion, and the vaccinated devotees seems a very similar situation. In my experience most people make the assumption that you too want this vaccination, that you too are a believer in this whole travesty.
I'm retired now, but I am thinking that this will really change my social life - shorten up my friends list.
We can bob & weave, deflect the questions for a while, but eventually we must speak the truth of our convictions.
I pray the only consequences will be shunning...I know it may get worse with proof of vaccination ID. etc.
We do worry for our vaccinated family and friends
and should they get sick, we support them. But I can never join them in their wishful thinking and belief.

[greybeard]

Im just back from the supermarket.
It was quite quiet the main roads being dug up for 5g cable --Inverness is proud to be at the forefront of this in Scotland.

There I am with my exempt badge --checkout lady wearing a mask --- she does not need to.
So nicely she asks if I had the jab yet?
Said no "I trust my immune system"
The look I got was -- I might be responsible for the whole of Inverness getting covid and no return to normality if I dont get inoculated.
Dont think I read too much into the look -- what had been a pleasant conversation came to an abrupt halt.
People are unaware of the degree to which they have been brain washed.
Chris

[greybeard]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is a companion thread to Trisher's What to do if you have had the experimental jab — how to support friends and family who have been vaccinated, enthusiastically or otherwise.

I'm in that very position with a dear friend in the UK, working in healthcare, who was bullied into taking the shot with [illegal] threats of losing her job.

I forwarded her every article and warning I could think of. She really didn't want to have the thing, but succumbed.

Now it's done, I can't continue scaring her. I have to support her by making light of it and NOT sending her any more frightening reports of serious injuries... they just wouldn't help her state of mind at all.

I agree Bill
Several relatives who have a clothes shop --currently closed, have had the jab.
I no longer send any info on the vaccine.
No point.
They are between a rock and a hard place.
I support them as best I can.
I dont condemn them.
Not that long ago we had a Residential Home for the Elderly.
Glad to be out of that in the current situation.
We would have been forced into doing things against our better judgment.
New regulation forced the closure of many family run small homes
The ruination of small businesses was planned.
The Self employed not that easy to control normally.
Chris

[Zirconian]

Reading these posts, it feels that we are all going through a lot either through our stance to not take the vaccine or whilst we make up our minds to take the vaccination....or not.

It seems we may all need supporting, for us then to support others who've had the covid vaccination with regret.

I tried to inform my family of the dangers of vaccination and to at least wait until there is more data available on the longer term effects of the vaccine. It was ignored.

I then had the unfortunate experience of being reprimanded by my father for not taking it (he was frightened for me) whilst having to bite my tongue with regards to my fears about him having had the vaccination and in the process of conversation having to feel the strange frequency of this odd experimental vaccine. All in all an experience I never thought we'd both have as father and daughter.

See this post on the frequency of the vaccine.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1415819

I'm resolute and steadfast to not take the vaccine, as I have some idea what this is ultimately all about.

My heart hurts for family and friends who have taken it. However, none feel they need to be supported, in their eyes they have done the right thing for humanity.

I have now resolved to keep quiet and understand they have made a choice that I disagree with but I will honour them just the same.

As for travel, I have a friend who is recovering from cancer, who is going to get married in the Autumn (the wedding had been postponed due to her cancer and covid), she lives abroad. I've paid for the flights and hotel to go to her wedding. I dearly wish to see her and support her and enjoy her day but I won't take the vaccine if they make the vaccine mandatory for travel. This will also hurt.

For those that choose not to take the vaccine, the road ahead will not be easy but I'm prepared to walk it, as best I can.

[TravelerJim]

I have decided here to not talk about my thoughts with friends and family any more on the vaccine because I don't know how far the police state will go or be allowed to go down the road from here. Who is to say if reporting others who did not take the vaccine might not be something people are told is their patriotic duty?

[DeDukshyn]

 
For me personally, the whole idea of having the vaccine forced on us, or the incessant propoganda and brainwashing being shoved down our throats is disturbing. At the same time other's (of people I know) insistence that I, or others (their friends perhaps), get the vaccine comes from a place of care - fear driven care perhaps, buts obviously not sinister ... yet at the same time, those people can just bugger off and leave me alone - its my choice, and I'll fight for the freedom of choice to my death.

At the same time, I'd fight for their freedom of choice as well. So the only people I have suggested the idea of avoiding the vaccine to is my ex and my kids - but that was a fairly easy sell, as they are all reasonably up to speed on things and question everything - as they should.

With my elderly mother, I just explained to her all the reasons why I would not be getting the vaccine, and told her that I'm not trying to sway her, just letting her know I have researched this well and put a lot of thought into it. She already is suspicious of flu vaccinations, never had one, so she also decided that she wouldn't be getting the vaccine.

If it ever comes up in discussion with anyone, which often does occur these days, even in conversation with strangers, I just focus on sharing (if appropriate) my decision and the key "reasonable" reasons why (without going full tinfoil hat, of course), and if they share that they are getting it at first chance, that's fine with me ... because I'll defend to my death the right for people to choose, whatever that choice may be, even if I deem it an unwise choice, just like I want them to respect me for my choices, even if they deem my choices unwise.

Perhaps, if my explanations are wisely chosen, and make good logical sense, devoid of fear, they'll plant some seeds.

[Blastolabs]

Posted by TravelerJim (here)
I have decided here to not talk about my thoughts with friends and family any more on the vaccine because I don't know how far the police state will go or be allowed to go down the road from here. Who is to say if reporting others who did not take the vaccine might not be something people are told is their patriotic duty?

If you have done enough research where you possess the knowledge and understanding the vaccines might be unsafe, is it not your duty as a human to share what information you understand to friends and family are not vaccinated?

Anyone thinking rationally understands that it is dangerous to give a new biotechnology to millions of people without knowing the long-term side effects.

The FDA makes this clear in their EUA, and they specifically mention the possibility that vaccine induced enhanced disease might get worse over time as immunity wanes.

From the FDA Emergency Usage Authorization

However, risk of
vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains
unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies
that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

I can not imagine anyone willingly taking this vaccine if they actually understood everything that I know, mainly the history of coronavirus vaccines over the past 10 years.

It would be a surprise if these vaccines do not have the same issues as every other coronavirus vaccine ever created, anyone getting the vaccine deserves to know this.

[Mecklenburger]

Today in Argentina we celebrate one whole year since the clamp down. At first it was strict. For example, persons over the age of seventy had to remain permanently indoors, preparing a list for the municipality to come each morning to do their shopping. Any person over that age found on the street without lawful excuse could be arrested and if convicted suffer imprisonment. An association of lawyers got a test case, challenged the ruling and had it reversed as unconstitutional under the anti-Diktatur legislation.

Next, another bright idea was to release prisoners home irrespective of their sentence since there was a "high risk that they could be infected with COVID in prison". The "lucky ones" were soon in for a greater danger than COVID when the neighbours "welcomed" them back: one or two attempted lynchings made the local government think again and so "freeing the inmates" was also quietly dropped.

The important restrictions imposed were: no travel on buses or the railways or underground system without written permission. No flights in or out. No crossing the provincial border without permission. No crossing the national borders. Phantom buses with invisible passengers roared across the city all day. To go any distance you could travel inside a plastic bubble in a taxi. That did not need written permission.

The "phases" were raised or lowered by decree every two weeks though nobody could ever really be sure what "phase" was in force and what it covered. The police probably knew, but it was best to not interrupt their interminable cellphone conversations on street corners with questions about the pandemia. Despite my age I was never once stopped during the whole year, not even when I was out walking the dogs in breach of curfew.

Into the second period of "lockdown" after six months, the Government began feeling the economic effects. One could sense that people were fed up with being scared and the whole thing could not be seriously enforced much longer.

Yet today it is still rare to see anybody on the streets without a mask. We have got into that habit without thinking. You must not enter a shop or ride public transport without a mask. Social distancing - well, how much is two metres? And that is about it.

4 million doses of Sputnik V have been imported into Argentina so far and about 2.6 million persons vaccinated. Argentina has asked Russia for a licence to manufacture Sputnik V in local laboratories under their far-reaching treaty of mutual help signed in 2015. This vaccine appears to be satisfactory and it is claimed to be effective against the new strains of Covid. You are not obliged to have it unless you need it to cross borders. We know what vaccines we definitely do not want and why.