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    Already having underlying health problems and a known heart condition, my mom (an educated woman, former teacher and editor for a major newspaper) got her first pfiezer poison injection 10 days ago and she's currently scheduled for the second one this coming Thursday.

    I'm expecting bad news anytime now..

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    Quote Posted by s7e6e (here)
    Already having underlying health problems and a known heart condition, my mom (an educated woman, former teacher and editor for a major newspaper) got her first pfiezer poison injection 10 days ago and she's currently scheduled for the second one this coming Thursday.

    I'm expecting bad news anytime now..
    Most people have no adverse reaction to the injections, from what I've seen. I'm not sure that will be true a year from now, though.

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    Spent several months contrasting and comparing information for both mainstream and alternative sources, and decided to go ahead and get the first pfizer shot. Originally I was going to aim for the J&J one, but decided against it after seeing the reports on blood clots.

    While not what I wanted per se, what tipped the scales for me was not so much pressure from my manager, but actually from dozens of clients I work on. While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients, several of whom have compromised immune systems. Having to stack bodies of dead covid patients in the morgue when I still worked at a hospital is still a vivid memory for me, and the thought of one of my clients ending up like that is intolerable. Yes, there are alternative and complementary remedies they could take that would give them a better chance of recovery, but everyone is different.

    It's been several days now and I'm doing good, I had a small bout of soreness in my arm, then had enormous energy rush back in after doing some Qigong/Neigong outdoors to recover. We shall see how things go after the second shot.

    I will note however that I still find 100% forced mandatory vaccination on a population to be a barbaric practice. When the world switches over to free energy technology, I'm sure we will be using far more humane methods to deal with pandemics.

    I spent several weeks meditating and asking my body if everything would be okay, and the answer was "Yes, though with some speed bumps along the way". Learning how to tune into your body's awareness is FAR more reliable IMO than the remote viewing and third eye stuff people usually use for psychic knowledge, as most of that is 95% to 99% subconscious ego projection.

    HOWEVER, I know that for others their body might say something far different. Whether a genuine intuition or simply fear, I do not think anyone should get a shot if they feel immense inner resistance to it, and that belief alone still puts me outside the mainstream. If you were to go into your appointment with that kind of feeling, a psychosomatic/autoimmune reaction would be more likely. The "only one in a million" chance of a reaction that is bandied about in the mainstream really isn't accurate on a personal level, as that is speaking in meta terms. Your personal chances are actually more like 100%, 50% or 0%, depending on your personal constitution, your health on a given day and whether or not you won or lost the genetic lottery.

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    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.

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    So this story , came out early this month to back up what bill said.
    Michigan reports 7,834 new COVID-19 cases, 26 deaths, 25% of people 16+ fully vaccinated

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ed/ar-BB1fu8Vb

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    . A covid vaccinated woman offered me Reiki yesterday, I declined , I don't want to be touched by a vaccinated person.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.
    I get where you are coming from, as I have been reading both the alternative/mainstream reports for the past several months. In terms of effectiveness, while I would say the various shots are not quite as safe or effective as corporate media would claim, they are still having an effect on transmission rates. I would point to Israel vs. Brazil/India in that case. In terms of reports of virus shedding, I don't find it convincing at present (though I'm open to being wrong, and I do still wonder about long term reactions).

    Quote So this story , came out early this month to back up what bill said.
    Michigan reports 7,834 new COVID-19 cases, 26 deaths, 25% of people 16+ fully vaccinated

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ed/ar-BB1fu8Vb
    Since that story was posted around 17 days ago the numbers of infection have been going down. For Washtenaw County the reported decrease per the link below has been -39% over the past 14 days. Given that I live in a college town next to two large hospital systems, I hear a lot from the people who still work there. While there are younger people getting sick now, the rates of hospitalization among seniors in the area, who have higher vaccination rates, have indeed decreased.

    Interactive Michigan Covid Map
    Last edited by Chris Gilbert; 26th April 2021 at 15:23.

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    Chris I support your choice.

    Your body

    Your have made your decisions based on your beliefs ...

    Love and Hugs

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.
    Sorry, Bill. Using logic to refute a multi-billion dollar media campaign is like taking a pocket knife to a machine gun fight. People think they're being rational when they get the jab, but in reality they can't stand up to the pressure of the ad campaign. That's why they rush out and get it instead of waiting a year to see how it goes. We do love our advertising, yes we do! :-)

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    Default Re: Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.
    Sorry, Bill. Using logic to refute a multi-billion dollar media campaign is like taking a pocket knife to a machine gun fight. People think they're being rational when they get the jab, but in reality they can't stand up to the pressure of the ad campaign. That's why they rush out and get it instead of waiting a year to see how it goes. We do love our advertising, yes we do! :-)
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    TomKat ease up... you have your beliefs and we all know what is really going on... The Ad Campaign is relentless... I think it is the reason many news stations and newspapers in the UK and US are still going... The government (in the UK and the US) have spent billions trying to keep this Covid 'thing' going.

    They've kept the news stations and newspapers going with the money they have spent advertising their lies... Truth...

    We all know that... and lets not forget that those in charge of the great reset have thrown "every knife they possess in their toolkit" at this 'campaign' and for those of us that can see through this, we feel like we are left standing in a stagnant pool of 'god knows what'

    We are way smarter than they give us creedance for ... xxx



    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.
    Sorry, Bill. Using logic to refute a multi-billion dollar media campaign is like taking a pocket knife to a machine gun fight. People think they're being rational when they get the jab, but in reality they can't stand up to the pressure of the ad campaign. That's why they rush out and get it instead of waiting a year to see how it goes. We do love our advertising, yes we do! :-)

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    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)

    Since that story was posted around 17 days ago the numbers of infection have been going down. For Washtenaw County the reported decrease per the link below has been -39% over the past 14 days. Given that I live in a college town next to two large hospital systems, I hear a lot from the people who still work there. While there are younger people getting sick now, the rates of hospitalization among seniors in the area, who have higher vaccination rates, have indeed decreased.

    Interactive Michigan Covid Map

    Part of all this is that case numbers / infection numbers can be manipulated to fit the Official Narrative using PCR testing - it's a huge part of the con... the con is based on it... so I personally would be suspicious of ANY data that is pushed to support 'vaccination' programme on the understanding that this isn't all a bit of a lie - it's a huge calculated lie - to support the Covert Agenda..

    Inflated death toll
    manipulated infection numbers
    suppression of any other prevention + cures
    mass 'vaccination' programme

    I noticed something especially alarming on that link...next to the graphs



    Quote Amid a surge in cases, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer urged residents in April to avoid indoor dining and social gatherings, but stopped short of enacting new restrictions. The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services extended for five weeks an order limiting business capacity and requiring face masks. Starting April 26, the face mask order will include children aged 2 to 4.
    CHILDREN AGED 2 to 4 !!!

    The people pushing all this are cruel and heartless... while pretending to care...

    We are being physically and psychologically abused - the data cannot be trusted IMO...

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    I was scolded today by a young relative who accused me of being selfish enough to not care that I cause other people to die by my not taking the shot.
    THAT is what the misinfo propaganda machine is causing.
    I politely hold my tongue with those around me who have taken the vaccine, but the vacci-nazis are not extending me that same courtesy lately.
    "We're all bozos on this bus"

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    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    I was scolded today by a young relative who accused me of being selfish enough to not care that I cause other people to die by my not taking the shot.
    THAT is what the misinfo propaganda machine is causing.
    I politely hold my tongue with those around me who have taken the vaccine, but the vacci-nazis are not extending me that same courtesy lately.
    On this note I agree with you. Your relatives should not be pushing a rushed new medical procedure on you, especially if your inner intuition suggests it is bad for you, or your job doesn't put you in constant close proximity with people like mine does. It's one thing to suggest or even debate mildly, but quite another to try to force it with guilt tripping or shaming.

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    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    Spent several months contrasting and comparing information for both mainstream and alternative sources, and decided to go ahead and get the first pfizer shot.
    So despite being a member here, having access to so many smart people's findings, you go ahead and do this.

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    While I would most likely recover easily if I ever got covid, I've been quite nervous all year long about the prospect of inadvertently passing it on to one of my clients
    Chris, none of these shots prevent or minimize covid being passed on to anyone else. They do nothing at all to minimize virus shedding.
    Sorry, Bill. Using logic to refute a multi-billion dollar media campaign is like taking a pocket knife to a machine gun fight. People think they're being rational when they get the jab, but in reality they can't stand up to the pressure of the ad campaign. That's why they rush out and get it instead of waiting a year to see how it goes. We do love our advertising, yes we do! :-)
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    Tom, enough with the snide insults. It's not a good look.
    Well, I almost missed that....Gracy May's almost scolding of Tom Kat's insightful sarcasm, in response to Bill's common sense statement of facts. Then Earth Girl's chiding Tom Kat while agreeing with his point.......It does take more insight and imagination to deal with all of the propaganda.

    Thank Goodness Bill and all of the mods, and all of us for taking up the invitation to share here.
    I will never tire of saying Thanks to the Members, the Friends, the Family of Avalon....

    Personally, when asked by those few I know who've been jabbed by who know's what, tho I do know enough to scare the ignorance out of anyone who can read...

    I say I've already had 15 to 20 vacs, but there is one part of my anatomy that is feeling neglected and is waiting for an appendage specific booster shot.....I said exactly that yesterday to a friend, now dying from years of working at a uranium mine, smoking cigs for 54 years and who stilllllll got vaxxed !!!!!!......But I used fewer words describing....

    Can't wait! Genetically modifying my very own monty, my personal mighty python....who knows what will be released....
    Watch out nephilim! Here comes my very own gmo'd led zepplin......

    Now if I can only find another, other worldly female receptacle, who in her cosmic graces will accept my offerings....as I surely, with such iffy chemical alterations, would not ever chance implanting any seed in a human vessel, knowing the great chances that all untested experimental, social sperm modifiers may add some unexpected funk into the genome. At the least with an e.t. mate I won't be surprised when our progeny shows any differences they may carry. In fact, I'll expect them.

    Anybody have Stevie Greer's number? He's got to have some experience in the matter...You know.....him calling all of those peace-loving, human protecting, sweet aliens to his parties. There's gotta be some babes in the mix.....(by the way, that is the first time in this life I've used the word "babes" in writing, tho there might be a good chance that some alien femmes prefer being called "babes".)


    Though I do have the ingredient lists of those jabs somewhere in my overflowing, excessively citation loaded files on the subjects involved.....Truth Overload Warning!!!!.....I search in the calm depths for another way to support those so blinded by the light of the media circus, barking out against F'N COMMON SENSE....
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    Default Re: Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination

    Gracy May and Cbris are sharing their experience, they don't have to and could have kept it private. They are not promoting the vaccine. "Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination" is this thread topic, so even though most here probably agree not to have the vaccine, many members friends and family have already received the vaccine or will get the vaccine. I think having Gracy and Chris reporting their symptoms or experience is helpful in knowing what to expect and I appreciate their courage in that, even though I wouldn't get a vaccine myself.

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    Sorry to hear that news of your friend Bill bring forced to take the Covid Shot. My family (brother, mother and sister) took the shot, I have not, and will not, as I'm the black sheep of the family and always will be. I support those whom were forced to take the shot and my sincere apologies. What a cruel world this is. Treating humans like animals. Our civil rights are being taken away from us, this is a prime example of Genocide. Does anybody have a good take as to why they want to vaccinate us? I'd love to hear it.
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    Default Re: Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination

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    I was scolded today by a young relative who accused me of being selfish enough to not care that I cause other people to die by my not taking the shot.
    THAT is what the misinfo propaganda machine is causing.
    I politely hold my tongue with those around me who have taken the vaccine, but the vacci-nazis are not extending me that same courtesy lately.
    Lol @Vacci-nazis. Great name to call them indeed.
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    Default Re: Supporting others who've had the covid vaccination

    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    I was scolded today by a young relative who accused me of being selfish enough to not care that I cause other people to die by my not taking the shot.
    THAT is what the misinfo propaganda machine is causing.
    I politely hold my tongue with those around me who have taken the vaccine, but the vacci-nazis are not extending me that same courtesy lately.
    This is a very short post. I drafted several others that were much longer, but then never finished them. (It's becoming increasingly hard to know what to say and at the same time keep my balance.)

    We're starting to see a great divide. And it's only just beginning.

    The mask disagreement was one thing, but that really didn't matter very much. I think this one really really matters.

    We do have to continue to support those who have taken the shot, the topic of this thread. But for many, it may become increasingly difficult.

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