The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

[Alan]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)

Posted by Alan (here)
I'd be curious to hear if anyone has spent the $10 for Greer's CE5 Contact app, and what your experiences with it are.

This thread is about UAP Task Force, some kind of 'disclosure' I think your inquiry is another thread Alan.
Do a search and you will find plenty with the info you are interested in.

Thanks, I brought it up in this context because in the "Cosmic Hoax" movie that Bill shared the app is discussed near the end.

[Kryztian]

I was going to post this in the "Weird news stories" thread, but then thought it really belongs here. It is a harbinger of the many weird and wacky things we might soon here from the media and politicians who are clueless about the UFO/UAP subject but just decide to jump on board as if they know what is going on. It's also promoting the "threat narrative."

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Ted Cruz Praises American Patriots for Standing Up to 'Space Aliens'
By James Crump On 7/5/21 at 7:38 AM EDT
https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-sp...july-4-1606849

Texas Senator Ted Cruz praised "American patriots" for standing up to "Space Aliens," in a tweet posted on Sunday to celebrate July 4.

On Sunday evening, Cruz, 50, who has served as a senator in Texas since 2013, posted a clip from Independence Day to Twitter, showing the iconic speech given by President Thomas J. Whitmore, played by Bill Pullman in the 1996 film.

The speech was made by the fictional president as troops prepared to battle aliens on July 4, with Whitmore urging the world to unite, saying: "We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests."

In a tweet accompanying the clip, Cruz wrote: "On this Fourth of July, we reflect on the incredible spirit of American patriots. Whether it's standing up to Red Coats or Nazis—or even space aliens 👽 👽 —Americans never surrender, never stop fighting for freedom. Happy Independence Day! 🇺🇸💥🇺🇸💥🇺🇸."

n a follow-up tweet, Cruz posted a clip from the 1970 film Patton, showing George C. Scott as the military leader delivering a speech to American troops, praising the country and emphasizing the need to work as a united group in battle.

"Another classic: Patton's 3rd Army address. If you haven't watched George C. Scott's rendition, WATCH," Cruz tweeted alongside the clip on Sunday. "I used to watch this video every time the night before I had a Supreme Court argument. Happy Fourth!! 🇺🇸"

Independence Day, celebrated every year in the U.S. on July 4, commemorates the day that the nation became independent from British rule in 1776. Many use the date to celebrate those who fought wars on behalf of America.

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Story continues as: https://www.newsweek.com/ted-cruz-sp...july-4-1606849

In 2019 Cruz also issued a dire warning about the danger of space pirates.

[aoibhghaire]

Christopher Mellon proclaims the possibility of the alien hypothesis in an editorial.

Christopher Mellon’s view, is that the UAP report’s findings strengthen the case for the alien hypothesis by undermining the main alternatives and providing examples of capabilities we cannot emulate or even understand – precisely what one would expect if any of these reports involve genuine alien technology.

A fair headline might have been: “UAP Report Strengthens Alien Hypothesis.” Instead, the press reporting seemed to lean in the opposite direction as though there was surprise that the government did not conclude ET is visiting.

Extraterrestrial technology was not discussed in the report because the issue is too politically sensitive, not because it is irrelevant. There was no proof presented of alien involvement, even at the classified level, but the dilemma remains unsolved and the primary alternatives to the alien hypothesis are clearly diminished by the report. When will the press and our government begin taking the alien hypothesis seriously? Indeed, in light of the facts presently available, how do we avert the conclusion that alien technology is the leading, perhaps only viable explanation? What theory can the skeptics or our government suggest that better fits the facts? That is a discussion worth having.

https://www.christophermellon.net/po...-the-uap-issue

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm only about 25 minutes into the Greer video that Bill posted - and already have to recommend it highly (hoping it doesn't jump the rails in the next hour, but with this excellent start, I think it will all be good.) Greer understands the underlying (militaristic) power structure and that the actual controllers of the American Empire's need to keep the militaristic/fascist power structure status quo intact or they will lose control over all the rest of us.

[Kryztian]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
I'm only about 25 minutes into the Greer video that Bill posted - and already have to recommend it highly (hoping it doesn't jump the rails in the next hour, but with this excellent start, I think it will all be good.) Greer understands the underlying (militaristic) power structure and that the actual controllers of the American Empire's need to keep the militaristic/fascist power structure status quo intact or they will lose control over all the rest of us.

Dennis, Aoibghaire has a good critical review of Greer's film. I do think the film sends a powerful message, but also there are many points where I disagree 100% with Greer (e.g. abductions and animal mutilations are 100% human caused phenomena ).

Her post is here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1438332

[aoibhghaire]

The reaction to the REPORT has given rise to how to deal with an alien invasion. How to prepare for such a possible event.

How to Prepare For An Alien Invasion, Since The U.S Government Has Not Denied Their Existence

Taylor Galla, Lifestyle journalist. Tue, July 6, 2021

“Essentially, the reports didn’t confirm alien presence on earth, but they didn’t deny it either. While they confirmed the flying objects weren’t “from any American military or U.S government-affiliated operation,” they also didn’t conclusively say they were from another planet either. The ambiguity of the findings means that the government can neither confirm nor deny that these objects are proof of extraterrestrial life visiting earth.”

“So, naturally, we’re preparing for a full alien invasion, and we think you should too.”
“How Do You Prepare For An Alien Invasion?”

“We’re not entirely sure what an alien invasion would look like, so we’re going to prepare like we would any other zombie apocalypse or extreme natural disaster, where vital resources are in short supply”

This article is more for selling a whole lot of items for surviving such an event.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/prep...180006775.html

[Kryztian]

I keep asking myself lately "When is Tucker Carlson going to invite Grant Cameron on his show? When will Anderson Cooper sit down with Linda Howe?" The "experts" they like to bring in are on the Fringe's of the UFO community and are not people most of us would go out of our way to hear at a UFO conference, nor do they command much trust: people like Leslie Kean, Nick Pope. Just when I had given up any hope that our controlled and deceptive mainstream media would ever do that, this appears in Britain's The Sun:

Pentagon’s ‘classified UFO report’ may have details of ‘alien tech’ being probed by Area 51, claims investigator
CLASSIFIED sections of the Pentagon's landmark report on UFO may contain details of alien propulsion tech being probed at Area 51, an investigator has claimed.

US officials released the highly anticipated public document after giving a secret briefing to Congress two weeks ago - but now everyone is asking what is in the full version of the dossier?

Richard Dolan, an American historian who has researched the topic for 25 years, claims one of his sources provided him with details apparently in the section that was briefed to certain US Congressmen and US Senators.

He alleged the classified portion was 70 pages long and included information about advanced - and potentially alien - propulsion systems and experimental craft using the tech are being tested at Area 51.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/154962...ampaign=buffer

Wow. Richard Dolan! They even referred to him as "an American historian", a title he deserves as much as any tenured university history professor!

Of course The Sun is not one of the "respectable" main stream publications, but focuses more on sensationalist headlines about sex and celebrity. And yet, here it is, ahead of the New York Times and The Guardian on an important insight as to what is going on. Two thoughts about this:

1. There is always competition in the media to be the first one to "get the story." In this case, The Sun won, and it did so because it went to a respected member of the Ufology community. Will there be more situations in the future where mainstream, striving to get ahead of the competition, sources it's information from top, respected, sane ufologists, or will the forces of censorship clamp down behind the scenes and say "no, you have to get the information from our listed of approved ufologists (Kean, Pope, etc.)?"
   
   
2. In 1975, the National Enquirer showed up in Snowflake, Arizona to cover the Travis Walton UFO incident. Many ufologist were surprised and even more surprised to see them when they published a somewhat accurate account of the incident. There was hope that the Enquirer would become a reliable source for ufology stories for main stream America. However, the Enquirer then began to report on stories that ufologist thought were easily debunkable hoaxes. Other news sources then debunked the Enquirers story to make the point that both the Enquirer and ufology stories were "bunk."
   
   The Enquirer was the brainchild of Generoso Pope, Jr., the son of a pro-Mussolini fascist and a former CIA agent involved in psychological warfare. The paper was famous for being sensationalist and often inaccurate. Long before the term "fake news" was popular, educated Americans would look at the cover of the Enquirer staring at them at the Supermarket checkout lane and see ridiculous stories and think "who reads this garbage?". And the cover of the magazine was the only place many people would see stories about ufology, and so, most "educated" people would then assume all ufology stories were hallucinations and fabrications designed to entertain people who lived in trailer parks and sell cheap newspapers.
   
   Will the Sun and other papers that dare to delve from the mainstream UFO narrative found in the New York Times, et. al., go the way of the Enquirer? Will they start producing garbage stores, just to muddy the pot, just to dilute the truth???

[Did You See Them]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
There was hope that the Enquirer would become a reliable source for ufology stories for main stream America. However, the Enquirer then began to report on stories that ufologist thought were easily debunkable hoaxes. Other news sources then debunked the Enquirers story to make the point that both the Enquirer and ufology stories were "bunk."

This, cue the X-Files music.

[aoibhghaire]

The DoD DNI Report does not directly indicate the words of an extraterrestrial hypothesis ETH or even at a big stretch CONTACT. When all the detection systems and collating of data discover that we are dealing with ETH/NHI then the realisation of this outcome will have profound ramifications.

For this outcome to happen, important aspects of the military events are the close up encounters of the UAP. Whenever one sees a UAP construct at close range there is a high chance that automatic consciousness entrainment with the individual(s) takes place. (without them realising it) The individual may have so much layering within there consciousness through conditioning that the CONTACT from the UAP has not penetrated directly to the mind. In time, air force pilots, who have had encounters, will eventually through even basic first layer consciousness via dreams will be the starting point. I suspect that pilots like Commander Fravor and some of his peers have had dreams by now and its possible that the UAP consciousness signal may have gone down another layer. It could be awhile before the first pilots announce that they have had CONTACT via personal one to one interviews. We are still in a transition here where the crossing line is still to come. I don't expect that the CONTACT aspect will be in any future DoD reports. However, the revelations of the CONTACT may support in time the realization of the reality of the ETH.

It would be silly to try to understand a civilization only by the cars they make. The consciousness and contact aspect has been present since the beginning of the "modern UFO era" and is crucial for our understanding since a close encounter within 500 feet (CE-1) usually leads to an activation of high strangeness spatial and temporal anomalies and psychic phenomena. And it is being found that individual or collective interpersonal contact or intersubjective interface with beings leads to positive transformations in values and personality.

Of course, when subjectivity and intersubjectivity enter the investigation, there's a tendency to embellish or distort, especially when most people supportive of these types of exchanges tend to be open-minded but not too scientific, critical, analytical, and objective. To say that all contact experiences (especially if benevolent) are completely bogus is unreasonable. Thus we face an undeniably and necessary area of study (even participatory study) requiring a balanced approach.

It is a major challenge for our dichotomous (either-or) minds. But I think that it is necessary for us to widen our boundaries and to grow as a species. Moreover, one can make a comparative analysis of alleged messages received during such interactions, and - by doing so - one can get an idea of who are the intelligences behind the phenomenon. why they are doing what they do. Furthermore, to consider if we can befriend UAP intelligences, it is necessary to recognize and study non-abduction-based, voluntary contact experiences based on long-term telepathic contacts and increasingly publicly verifiable contact events.

While most experiencer-contactee researchers gather messages of (sometimes impending) transformation that seem outlandish and not to reflect current world conditions, I think that as serious inclusive researchers we need to include this, albeit with caution. Not all experiencers-contactees have a sense of impending shifts or convey that they were told that transformations are impending but the fact that many do (for example talking about an "ascension" into the 4th or 5th "dimensions") possibly shows that interpretation problems take place when a person living in a denser and slower causal time frame meets a lighter and speedier one. If there is coherence in the message, it coincides with that of other sincere individuals, it is perhaps objectively validated by implants, UFO photos, videos, or collective sightings, it will not make sense to offhandedly dismiss such alleged contact experiences.

The anonymous FREE survey and MUFON's experiencer survey also surprisingly showed that - according to most experiencer-contactees there was a predominance of positive non-human interventions and positive ethical changes related to direct contact experiences. This contradicted the excessive emphasis on abductions by researchers that selected whom they would add to their database according to their own preconceptions. Luckily, a few professional individuals like Mary Rodwell have also been collecting testimonies from individuals (including children) that claim benign, consciousness-raising, evolutionary motivations behind most otherworldly entities.

I believe in time that some military pilots have privately had CONTACT and it will take some time when we may hear about these revelations. The CONTACT is really the important aspect of the UAP. The REPORT has suggested to the academic/scientific community to carry out scientific research about UAPs. Although this may be well grounded and credible with results indicating the ETH/NHI, I believe it will trigger some individuals in the military that they have had CONTACT. This could well be the next phase once all else has been exhausted.

[Kryztian]

Posted by aoibhghaire (here)
I believe in time that some military pilots have privately had CONTACT and it will take some time when we may hear about these revelations.

In May I attended a virtual conference with Richard Dolan that featured Luis Elizondo. An audience member asked Elizondo how one gets to work in the AATIP program and he responded that "you don't apply, AATIP finds you, based on the qualifications they are looking for." Logically, the next question to him was "why then were you selected?" The question seemed innocent enough but like so many other questions, the answer was an awkward one, because he could not give a direct answer without violating a security clearance or a directive about what he should or should not be talking about, but in an indirect way he basically hinted that he was an experiencer, which the audience member guessed at and Elizondo smiled. During his two hours of interviews, I almost never had a clear intuitive sense that he was telling truths or falsehoods, but I did feel at that moment that Elizondo was completely sincere and genuinely wanted to say more and that this was an important part of the story; I just don't think he could have been acting at that point.

It never really occurred to me that the pilots and other military personnel who were interacting with the phenomena were possible experiencers, but that makes perfect sense. I wonder if during their debriefings how much information was collected about their dreams, synchronicities, and messages they might have received. And I wonder if that information would ever make it to the halls of Congress. My guess is that it will not, especially if the Pentagon want to sell the threat narrative.

[Bill Ryan]

For what it may be worth, Joe Murgia (ufojoe.net) published this statement from a friend described by him as "a veteran of the intelligence world".

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Definition of Terms

• IC = Intelligence Community
• DoD = Department of Defense
• SIGINT – Signals Intelligence: Intelligence derived from electronic signals and systems used by foreign targets, such as communications systems, radars, and weapons systems.
• IMINT – Imagery Intelligence: Includes representations of objects reproduced electronically or by optical means on film, electronic display devices, or other media.
• MASINT – Measurement and Signature Intelligence: Technically derived intelligence data other than imagery and SIGINT. The data results in intelligence that locates, identifies, or describes distinctive characteristics of targets. It employs a broad group of disciplines including nuclear, optical, radio frequency, acoustics, seismic, and materials sciences.

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Thoughts on ODNI’s Preliminary Assessment of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

I have to say first that, from a perspective formed over twenty-plus years in the IC/DoD supporting SIGINT and IMINT aerospace operations, I never thought I’d see the United States Government (USG) issue a report on UFOs/UAP. It was, quite frankly, unimaginable a few years ago. Far from disappointing, I think the report is fascinating and encouraging, both from the stated intent and inferences made both from what’s written and what wasn’t. What interests me the most here is the intricate set of underlying collection requirements and Collection Management activities going on behind the scenes to increase the volume, variety, and utility of UAP data. Put simply, Collection Management is the lifecycle of administrative and technical processes that ensure our nation’s requirements for intelligence information are met. With an increased collection focus on UAP activity and data collection, there would be a necessary involvement of the IC’s vast assortment of national-level technical capabilities (a.k.a. overhead systems), otherwise known as National Technical Means (NTM). It’s highly unlikely much of it will ever be publicly written about, though there are some publicly available, open source references to it online. Based on my background and experience, it would be interesting to learn over time how this enhanced UAP collection effort plays out behind the scenes across the IC. More about that later.

The ODNI report stands in stark contrast to past serious UAP reports we’ve seen from the USG. In fact, The Univ. of Colorado study commissioned by the Air Force in 1968 was actually used as justification to terminate Project Blue Book. Out of the fifty or so compelling cases looked at by the CU team, just over thirty were never explained. The head of the study, Dr. Edward Condon, wrote the report’s conclusion – his only contribution to the effort. Despite the thirty-plus unexplained events, Condon’s conclusion was entirely dismissive of UFOs and recommended that there would be no benefit to science from further study of UFOs. The power of his written conclusion was profound and was taken at face value by the media and skeptics alike. Years later the Library of Congress’ Congressional Research Service produced a report entitled The UFO Enigma, and it did nothing to move the ball forward with respect to more open study of UAP. The last USG report on this topic was The Roswell Report – Case Closed, which was hard to take seriously and seemed written to stop any further inquiry on the topic whatsoever. Conversely, this ODNI report effectively revives and expands the discourse. For far too long the ‘UFO conversation’ was little more than a echo chamber for UFO-logists and ‘enthusiasts’. Now the USG is not only taking it seriously and talking about it, they’re actively moving to increase and enhance their study of UAP, and I think that’s remarkable.

First off, the report includes the word ‘preliminary’ in its title. This normally indicates that a future, more detailed report is likely forthcoming, though there’s no indication so far of when that might be. In a sense this report is the modern opening statement by the Government in the long running conversation it has recently joined to address public and legislative interests and concerns around UAP. In some ways it’s merely responsive to a Congressional mandate, per the index, though not responding wasn’t an option. At nine pages you might argue that it’s a half measure or less. Still, I think its a huge step in the right direction and helps to move the ball down the field.

Based on my background, one of the more interesting aspects is what would be taking place behind the scenes and out of public view in the IC in order to initiate a formal collection effort against UAP using NTM. At a basic level, all ground, fleet, airborne, and spaceborne intelligence collection platforms carry out collection based on guidance from the National Security Agency (NSA), the Collection Management Authority (CMA) for SIGINT.

The CMA ensures that all the nation’s satellite collection needs are properly met. The CMA evaluates and assigns a priority to ensure an efficient and effective use of the systems according to defined schedules. There can be spur of the moment or ad hoc collections, but for the most part SIGINT collection is a carefully pre-orchestrated ballet involving the active management of collection platforms, including collection routing, processing, and dissemination to end-users. The UAP data collection would be no different. It would require a CMA, if it does not already exist, with authority to write and manage the technical collection requirements, understand which systems to deploy against it, etc. From there we know from the report that the data would be processed/analyzed by the Task Force in collaboration with the identified agencies and organizations and issue formal reports.

Tasking national level SIGINT collection systems is obviously on a different level from normal sighting reports. These reports appear to be mostly serendipitous with encounters producing various forms of technical collection data from radars, IR tracking, electro-optical systems, and/or eyewitness accounts. Based on recent Navy and Air Force directives that have been issued, we can assume there will be some refinement to existing methods to report on UAP at the unit/squadron level. With the addition of NTM collection, and with the added oversight from a CMA with assigned operational oversight for that collection, this effort could conceivable grow into a formal UAP Program Office. Currently it’s hard to see the necessary CMA authority existing or growing within the Task Force itself, though they would certainly have input to the process and would likely be the primary ‘customer’ of the data collected. Whether it evolves into a larger, formal program or stays in the Office of Naval Intelligence as a Task Force would depend, I would think, on the internal advocacy and whether USG thinks the current organization and leadership are sufficiently empowered to achieve the stated intent.

The report also mentions that the Task Force “intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management“ and that they’ve observed “acceleration or signature management.” which It indicates they’re observing these objects either instantly accelerating out of view or masking/cloaking themselves and, perhaps, remaining in position. Deploying more capable systems designed to detect and track these objects with UAP characteristics could potentially remove the ambiguity of that statement in some future reports by confirming whether the UAP actually left the area instantly or simply ‘went dark’ signature wise becoming essentially a hole in the sky. Signature management is used extensively across the military already; we see it in new warship and aircraft designs today. It involves manipulating, reducing or eliminating observable or detectable characteristics such as apparent shape, thermal and electromagnetic frequency emissions, etc., all of which are notable characteristics discussed in UFO/UAP reports going back throughout history. Having the capabilities to detect and track UAP regardless of their signature management efforts would be a huge game changer and would, no doubt, be a USG objective.

We know from the Congressional mandate that data from Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) collection were to be leveraged in their analysis and reporting, which might indicate at least some level of NTM collection may already be underway. Given the large volume of publicly available historical data containing many references to UAP effects, e.g., intensely bright luminosity, EM radiation, audible low pitch humming/buzzing, thermal emissions, etc., using our extraordinary national level MASINT capabilities could/should help provide additional insights into how UAP operate. However, MASINT was not my particular area of focus, so anymore that I might say about it would be pure speculation. Still, it’s encouraging to see evidence of the Task Force is tapping into these national level capabilities. I can imagine there being some challenges around some types of NTM collection due to the often fleeting nature of UAP activity. Their fleeting nature and short detection windows could result in a lack of sufficient forewarning or tip-off of a UAP event occurring in the first place. In the 2004 Nimitz Tic-Tac incident, the USS Princeton was using it’s AEGIS SPY-1 radar system to provide Indications & Warning (I&W) to the fleet and fighters aloft. Some UAP events might be so fleeting that sufficient I&W isn’t possible and, as a result, NTM collection may not be possible unless there was persistent collection already taking place for that particular area of interest. I see this as just one of many potential challenges in collecting against UAP with NTM systems.

To wrap up, the report wasn’t as far reaching and detailed as I’d hoped, but it did meet the legislative mandate. It touched on the areas called out in the bill’s language and, importantly, it represents the USG jumping back into the public conversation. It’s remarkable that a report on this topic would be issued at all by the IC given its taboo-ridden and ridicule-laden history. If legislators and the public continue pressing the IC/DoD then, hopefully, we’ll get more information sooner rather than later. If the Task Force is appropriately staffed (with the right leadership and mix of scientists, engineers, analysts, etc.), funded, and if senior leaders (in the IC and on The Hill) continue to bring the necessary curiosity and conviction to carrying out the mission then all the necessary tools, techniques, and technologies will be available to derive even greater meaning from UAP data.

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[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Alan (here)

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)

Posted by Alan (here)
I'd be curious to hear if anyone has spent the $10 for Greer's CE5 Contact app, and what your experiences with it are.

This thread is about UAP Task Force, some kind of 'disclosure' I think your inquiry is another thread Alan.
Do a search and you will find plenty with the info you are interested in.

Thanks, I brought it up in this context because in the "Cosmic Hoax" movie that Bill shared the app is discussed near the end.

Ok Alan (like the name BTW) I miss interpreted you comment, it sounded to me like a dig at Dr Greer, a discredit dig.
I see now your just interested in feed back Dr Greer's CE5 Contact app.

[Kryztian]

Posted by holcaul (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by holcaul (here)
1. Do you currently work for the CIA? If not, have you been recently reactivated?

Where is the evidence he works for the CIA? Officially, he works for the Dept of Defense, which, like the CIA mostly consists of well intentioned people but also has some sinister characters lurking in its hallways. Without any actual evidence, I don't see any reason to ask that question.

In some interviews, Elizondo did mention that he was CIA counterintelligence, and I believe it was mentioned in his TTSA bio.

I don't know if this completely answers the question, but:

Elizondo, a tattooed bundle of nervous energy with spiky black hair and white goatee, had spent the years after September 11 as a terrorist interrogator.

from: https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...gton-dc-487900

Okay, not CIA but close. I am sure he was meeting constantly with CIA to discuss the interrogations. He probably had to have many of the same security clearances. I have to wonder if he was involved with waterboarding and perhaps other "enhanced" forms of investigation (aka "torture".) Perhaps that makes him creepier, or perhaps that experience may have led him to want to get the truth out.

[Kryztian]

Jimmy Church interviews Lue Elizondo and Daniel Sheehan

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3rwVKn8-Ue0

Elizondo arrives after the 30 minute mark and Daniel Sheehan must arrive later, I am in the first hour. So far, the only important bullet point I have:

• There is another UFO video on the way. It is not grainy and it shows something remarkable (shapeshifting?). No word when this is coming out.
  
  
• Elizondo hints that "we are in possession of some very exotic material.

[EDIT: Daniel Sheehan comes in just after 1 hour minutes and is chock full of information. He is so chock full of information that Church can't get a word in ]

For those of you who can't stand Jimmy Church's incessant narcissistic ramblings, and blatant commercialism, ufologist Joe Murgia is working on a transcript of the interview. His website: https://www.ufojoe.net/

[Kryztian]

Thanks to Bluegreen for posting this interview in the Up At the Ranch thread, but I also think it belongs here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ztici5AeKmc

Uri Geller talks to George Noory on Coast to Coast and after a few stories about James Randi, he lets go of a few bombshells:

• He met Wernher von Braun who showed him some meta materials he had stored in a safe.
  
• He went to Nasa, was taken to an unmarked concrete building with several stories underground and into a freezing basement and saw some interesting objects. He couldn't say what they he saw because of a document he signed BUT it sure sounds like he saw an alien body or bodies.

I am posting this on this thread because I wonder if this is just more planned disclosure that the public is supposed to hear about. Perhaps someone contacted him and said "Hey Uri, here's a copy of the non-disclosure agreement you signed and it says you can't say what you saw BUT it doesn't say you can't talk about the experience, and we have an interview set up for you with George Noory next week" ???

There is a second half of the interview where Uri talks about the NSA, but that is not on Youtube. Anyone with a Coast to Coast account, I would love to hear that.

[Kryztian]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QmaGet_b_7s

If you follow this thread, there is probably very little in this video about the UFO phenomena and coverup that is new to you, but it is notable because TMZ reaches a large part of the public. Never the less, I was surprise since TMZ primarily focuses on Brittany Spears, the Kardashians, etc. this was a serious treatment of the issue. It was, however, a depiction of the phenomena and the coverup exactly as Lue Elizondo, Christopher Mellon and TTSA would like you to see it.

It begins by debunking the five possible explanations in the Pentagons UAP report (eg. UAPs as atmospheric phenomena, Russian technology, space junk, etc.) and then pointing out the word they never mentioned in the report: "aliens". It then goes on to discuss the government coverup, showing how records and incidents have been suppressed, and how it keeps possible whistle blowers in line, by making them unemployable if they don't toe the line. That would include Chris Mellon and Lue Elizondo and the documentary makes them into mini-martys because of this.

One thing I was not aware of was a Washington lobbying organization called UFOPAC. It's leader Peter Ragone worked for Bill Clinton, Gavin Newsome and Andrew Cuomo. I am guessing we are going to hear more from this organization as it tries to mobilize the public (into controlled opposition???)

And while Elizondo and Mellon may be putting out that this phenomena is a threat, no one is ramping it up as such more than Jeremy Corbell.

[Kryztian]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W_WvtCcK7X4

Physicist and contactee Jack Sarfatti debunks the lie that the Pentagon is putting forth: "We don't know what they are".

Sarfatti discusses the principles of physics and how they relate to the behavior of the Tic Tac and other UFO phenomena.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Thanks to Bluegreen for posting this interview in the Up At the Ranch thread, but I also think it belongs here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ztici5AeKmc

Uri Geller talks to George Noory on Coast to Coast and after a few stories about James Randi, he lets go of a few bombshells:

• He met Wernher von Braun who showed him some meta materials he had stored in a safe.
• He went to Nasa, was taken to an unmarked concrete building with several stories underground and into a freezing basement and saw some interesting objects. He couldn't say what they he saw because of a document he signed BUT it sure sounds like he saw an alien body or bodies.

I am posting this on this thread because I wonder if this is just more planned disclosure that the public is supposed to hear about. Perhaps someone contacted him and said "Hey Uri, here's a copy of the non-disclosure agreement you signed and it says you can't say what you saw BUT it doesn't say you can't talk about the experience, and we have an interview set up for you with George Noory next week" ???

There is a second half of the interview where Uri talks about the NSA, but that is not on Youtube. Anyone with a Coast to Coast account, I would love to hear that.

Here's the whole thing:

1. https://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_C...20Hour%201.mp3
2. https://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_C...20Hour%202.mp3

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Uri Geller talks to George Noory on Coast to Coast

Here's the whole thing:

1. https://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_C...20Hour%201.mp3
2. https://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_C...20Hour%202.mp3

Wow - thanks for putting this one up Bill

There is something more interesting info toward on part two during the beginning. Uri says:

• The NSA is able to activate your smartphone at any time - the microphone or either side of the camera, and it does so.
  
  
• Intelligence and military organizations are interested weaponizing psychic abilities. This research is being done in China, England, Israel, USA, Germany, France and other nations.
  
  
• The NSA tasked 10 psychics to dematerialize a Russian city. (Uri says he gets this info from documents released into the public domain.)