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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Steven Greer appearing here...two hours ago.

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote from Former F/A 18 Pilot RYAN GRAVES Jun 9, 2021 :-

    "I have heard through active duty sources that the objects seen on the East Coast (appear like a cube in a

    sphere) CONTINUE TODAY and can also be found on the West Coast."

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    Just to put it here for the record - SETI's take so far.

    By Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer.

    https://www.seti.org/sneak-peek-ufouap-report

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    CHINA is preparing to address UFOs at the United Nations as it launches its own probe into the strange encounters, an ex-Pentagon investigator has said.

    https:http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1521600...jing-pentagon/

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    If you think the age of debunking and denial on UFOs ended with Donald Menzel or Philip Klass, Scientific American is putting forth it's new panel of "experts" who "weigh in" on the subject.

    Experts Weigh In on Pentagon UFO Report
    The vast majority of examined incidents were not caused by U.S. advanced technology programs, the forthcoming report concludes. So what’s going on?


    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...on-ufo-report/

    The article is pretty low on actual science and pretty high on a sociological depiction of the world made up a frenzied "believers" and a media eager to feed their madness, contrasted by a few "sober" and "unbiased" experts who have thoroughly debunked UFO claims from their ivory towers.

    Quote Meanwhile all this strangeness has garnered considerable media attention, from front-page stories in the New York Times to 13,000-word articles in the New Yorker, as well as prominent coverage on 60 Minutes and other prime-time television programs. Through it all, a sizable contingent of true believers have steadily proclaimed, “We told you so,” insistent in their conviction that, whether called UFOs or UAPs, the entities seemingly slipping through our skies are actually alien spacecraft—and have been visiting Earth for a very long time.
    If the editorial staff and some authors of Scientific American really wants to know what people are like who have an inflexible belief system, there is a simple optics experiment they can perform which might help them hone in on the target demographic - go out and buy and mirror and stare into it.

    Of course, Scientific American has to leave the door open for a scientific explanation to the UFO phenomena. Since the swamp gas, mirage of Sirius and weather balloon explanations are now retired cliches, they have to invent new one:

    Quote ... there may be electromagnetic phenomena in the atmosphere that we still don't understand.
    I wish Scientific American would stick to doing what they do best: actual science. Their politically tinged depictions of those who study phenomena that they turn their nose up at is abysmal. With articles like this, they make Eustace Tilly of the New Yorker look enlightened and open minded.



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    I read the article from Scientific American and I was disappointed to read what these scientists had to say. It’s unfortunate that Scientific American selected these scientists that are ignorant of the UAP historical records and the constraints and the intentional brainwashing that has been perpetrated by past funded government reports. The editors should be ashamed and are just as ignorant as well. In one respect, when you research the history of the UFO/UAP subject the brainwashing that has infiltrated the scientific establishment is rife. So therefore this is reflected in there sweeping statements with no foundation. I’ll explain in more detail how this comes about about and the concern for society when scientists present the argument of ignorance.

    In the scientific community we have hubris and human self-centeredness that have been fundamental barriers to clear thinking about the opportunities and risks surrounding the UAP. Its been a case of extraordinary conservatism leading to extraordinary ignorance.

    Douglas Walton draws on everyday conversations on all kinds of practical matters in which the argumentum ad ignorantiam is used quite appropriately to infer conclusions. Walton makes an original contribution in the areas of argumentation theory and informal logic, contending that, despite its traditional classification as a fallacy, the argument from ignorance is a genuine, very common, and legitimate type of argumentation with an identifiable structure.(Walton 1996)

    Our political-scientific-sociology around the concept that the government promotes the most effective peer reviewed science fails when we have a Black Swan ie. UAP. It takes this information and acts in accordance with government backed data. Hence, when both Condon report in 1969 and the Condign report in 2000 from the U.S. and U.K. formulated policy on UAP, the government pushed the notion that there was no threat to national security posed.

    The result was the mainstream media took that narrative and the world formulated a belief system around UAP/UFOs. Therefore the incorrect information that UAP/UFOs aren’t a serious issue was filtered into the worlds society. In the case of Condon who abandoned his intellectual integrity and scientific objectivity and proclaimed that there was nothing of interest to science about the UFO phenomenon. (Maccabee 2000)

    James McDonald, Principle Scientist statement to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics in 1968 on UFOs “are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed "surveillance." (McDonald 1968) “The UFO problem, far from being the nonsense problem that it has often been labelled by many scientists, constitutes a problem of extraordinary scientific interest.”

    The above points I raise trigger a UAP taboo that sets off a new breed of scientists as I’ll explain.

    The UAP taboo was left to an invisible college of independent scientists without funding. Leaving very few scientists operating under a cloak and dagger scenario, ducking and weaving from any exposure in case there careers and pensions were jeopardized. If the science community had recognised the UAP subject it would have saved 75 years wasted delay.

    References:

    Walton, Douglas, 1996, Arguments from Ignorance, Pennsylvania State University Press, Philosophy.

    McDonald, James, 1968, Principle Scientist, Statement on Unidentified Flying Objects, submitted to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics at July 29,1968, Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects, Rayburn Bldg., Washington, D.C.

    Maccabee, Bruce, 2000, UFO/FBI Connection: The Secret History of the Government's Cover-Up Paperback.

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    In the scientific community we have hubris and human self-centeredness that have been fundamental barriers to clear thinking about the opportunities and risks surrounding the UAP.
    Nothing sums up this article better than that sentence right there. Good scientific thinking and careful methodology should help one get around the hubris and ego, but we have none of that on display in this article.

    I think the ufological community really needs to confront the self proclaimed "scientific" community and their insults and petty deprecations of a community that is, at its core, focused on evidence, reason and understanding. Ufologists need to present a collection of best UFO cases backed up by solid evidence and documentation and demand that Scientific American put their best physicists and astronomers and engineers and social scientists examine these cases and come up with an explanation for them that does not imply some type of extra/ultra-terrestrial intelligence is the at work here. It's time to make the people at Scientific American put out or STFU!

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    In re reading the article from Scientific American I did notice one exception to all the scientists. In particular to Avi Loeb’s initiative and actions if funding was in place, said he would like to spearhead a research project on UAP. I do respect him for being honest that he knows nothing about UAP. But at least would like to follow through with a project to obtain data and analysis. The rest of the scientists in the article had the lazy responses that we are all familiar with.

    Unfortunately, the scientific establishment failed to recognise the UAP existence due to the debunking charade by government reports like Condon and Blue Book. These government reports were intentionally published to debunk the UAP issue because senior researchers couldn’t either integrate its reality and thereby setting an illusionary mental framework in the scientific arena. Scientists may have been influenced that society wasn’t ready for the ramifications published due to the Brookings Institute report of 1960. Its no surprise that this led to over the decades no funding or grants for UAP research in particular, for departments of Astronomy, SETI and Astrobiology. This situation then led to the UAP taboo.

    There are huge repositories supporting evidence with masses of references to help the academic community (scientists) to not only follow up, but speed up there education in this new arena confirming the existence of UAP not just relying on recently announced UAP existence by the Pentagon, but many other governments UAP repositories worldwide. In addition, the UAP historical records traced back 140 years shows a sustained infusion of UAP constructs interpreted even in that period similar to the current UAP characteristics. So there is nothing new, only the highlighting of UAP in the media. Only then the establishment/academic community became aware of this subject.

    The perception of the scientific community with pseudoscientific studies of UFOs and now the more respectful UAP Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena have unfolded largely based on conjecture and speculocatenation—the linking together of purely speculative ideas. Unfortunately, this has acted to diminish the integrity of actual research into the matter and has significantly muddied the waters with regard to what constitutes an actual objective scientific investigation of the phenomenon.

    First, the nature of the question posed here, as it is centered on actual tangible outcomes as described in the evidential third paragraph above, rather than simply speculating about whether something may or may not exist somewhere else in the vastness of space. The argument put forward to scientists reading this missive here is the hypothesis that we have an extraterrestrial intelligence/non human intelligence depicted within the framework of UAP. Once this is recognised then the education can begin by not only familiarising the scientific community but special awareness programs could be initiated that can train and educate the academic community. Leading to having university course curriculum on the subject with its so many categories.

    As Hynek said “there is an embarrassing treasure trove of evidence”

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    Steven Greer appearing here...two hours ago.

    Excellent, and recommended.

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    We are coming close this month to the initial UAP revelations in the long awaited senate report. It all depends how much is revealed besides the existence and reality. What does it mean for investments for the future. This can only be determined on how much is revealed and what the reaction will be. If we take it that it has extreme revelations of a mind blowing nature for Mankind in the report then the future may be positive.

    It would require a rewiring of consciousness at the corporate level is needed for new future investments to be positive for the planet.

    The recognition of the disclosure depends on how the narrative is transmitted to investors. Investments by corporations will be reviewed with intense details as there world view has changed into another direction. A lot more detail on PA thread Who can predict "Post Alien UFO Disclosure Economics" trends? ... anyone? See Post 11.

    If Corporations recognize the reality of this arrival, in particular major financial institutions whom have a duty and expectation to their investors, it provides these pioneers with that vision in mind that will have questions. These questions may influence their future and possibly governments to avoid policies from executing unwanted deterrents with their subsequent ramifications.

    While being aware that up until the present, world governments have collectively and steadfastly denied the existence of UAP/ETL, this is rapidly changing at this time. Political initiatives have commanded agencies that are now sanctioned to report, catalog and disclose formerly secret operations and expenditures related to the study of UAP/ETL These initiatives during 2020, have very clearly acknowledged the existence of UAP and the possible engagement and consequences to the military.

    If the USA is too slow or even still worse has a policy of bypassing these actions then the recognition event might emanate from a more liberal, progressive Western European government, one already in process of declassifying state secrets. Once one sovereign state comes forward with the acknowledgement, it will be near impossible for other governments to stagger on much longer under the weight of a debunked charade.

    Once Corporate management seriously evaluates, analyses Emerging Markets (EM) vs Developed Markets (DM) within the framework of the UAP existence, the current fundamental Corporate business models would have to drastically change that encompass a new rewiring of consciousness, then the future may be positive.

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    • UFOs: Will the truth finally be told?:

    • Reaction to US intelligence UFO report:

    • Luis Elizondo, Former Director, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (Full Stream: 6/8):

    • Former Air Force Pilot Breaks Down UFO Footage | WIRED:

    I predict coming months we will hear also many UPDATES (additional really interesting governmental insights) to older UFO cases ... being leaked to the public as well.

    ps: ⚠️ I wrote this yesterday & today: tinyurl.com/Post-Alien-Disclosure-Trends 🦜🦋🌳

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    • The Black Vault LIVE - Updates / AMA / Open Lines:

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    Another excellent talk by Daniel Sheehan



    Two points I found particularly interesting:

    20:52 - Shehan talks about how U.S. government may have used private corporations to profit off the UFO phenomena. He specifically mentions Brown Brothers Harriman (affiliated with the Bush family and the Dulles brother). He is confused by the name, but I think he is refering to Yamashìta's gold here.

    43:00 - The NGR (National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency) has the intelligence files on the Roswell incident. [The NGA is the fifth largest intelligence agency within the United States government, and unlike the CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA (Defense Intelligence) and ONI (Naval Intelligence), yet hardly anyone has heard of it or written about it.]
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    • All Right. Let's Talk About The UFO Thing | Answers With Joe:
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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    ”Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security…”


    New York Post article says. Here is an extract:


    UFOs could threaten US security, pols say after Capitol Hill briefing

    By Juliegrace Brufke and Aaron Feis

    Just in time for Independence Day.

    Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security, as the pols emerged from a highly classified briefing with Navy and FBI officials on the unexplained phenomena.

    Ahead of the release of a highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified flying objects before month’s end, members of the House Intelligence Committee received a hush-hush sneak preview inside a SCIF, or “sensitive compartmented information facility.”

    As for the existence of extraterrestrial life, the lawmakers largely left the secrets inside the surveillance-proof room, declining to tell reporters what they learned...


    https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/ufos-c...after-briefing
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    After the Briefing, One Word Answer from Rep. Quigley (D, Ill) :-

    "DISAPPOINTING"

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)
    ”Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security…”


    New York Post article says. Here is an extract:


    UFOs could threaten US security, pols say after Capitol Hill briefing

    By Juliegrace Brufke and Aaron Feis

    Just in time for Independence Day.

    Capitol Hill lawmakers said Wednesday that UFOs could pose a pressing threat to America’s national security, as the pols emerged from a highly classified briefing with Navy and FBI officials on the unexplained phenomena.

    Ahead of the release of a highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified flying objects before month’s end, members of the House Intelligence Committee received a hush-hush sneak preview inside a SCIF, or “sensitive compartmented information facility.”

    As for the existence of extraterrestrial life, the lawmakers largely left the secrets inside the surveillance-proof room, declining to tell reporters what they learned...


    http://https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/ufos-could-threaten-u-s-security-pols-say-after-briefing/


    That’s straight miserable. Let me not ..start considering all the consequences ..

    Here, a worthy article from Indian intelligence commentators on the subject:


    Are aliens real ? Close encounters of many kinds


    Also mentioned are few sightings and possible ET encounters in India itself. Perhaps India will decide to contribute some more genuine information following the Pentagon releases but you may also wisely ask “cui bono”, who would benefit.

    India and its many founding cultures with scriptural records dating back thousands of years, some of them solely devoted to induction to various cosmological principles and other advanced abstracts while describing in detail also flying wheels and weapons of gods and demigods is deeply rooted in the principle of nonviolence and benevolence to other sentient beings.

    Benevolent beings will be always welcome in our skies. Those with aggressive intent would be sharply dealt with, I believe.

    We believe in protection of benevolent powers of the Universe.

    Good luck


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    • What Do We Know About UFOs? | The Agenda:

    A highly anticipated Pentagon report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) - also known as UFOs - has raised lots of interest from astronomers, journalists, and even former president Barack Obama. The Canadian military has documents of reported UFO sightings going back decades. What explains this? Is it proof of extraterrestrial life? Or, a foreign military using advanced technology? Our panel discusses the new interest in these mysterious sightings.
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    Sam Harris, a famous neurologist who has much to say about the nature of consciousness, has been contacted by someone in government, possibly CIA and/or Naval Intelligence, requested help on disclosing the UFO/UAP phenomena:

    Quote I’ve received some private outreach, and perhaps you have, I know other people in our orbit have, people who are claiming that the government has known much more about UFOs than they have let on until now, and this conversation is actually about to become more prominent, and … whoever is left standing when the music stops, it’s not going to be a comfortable position to be in as a super rigorous scientific skeptic who’s been saying there’s no there there for the last 75 years.”

    “It sounds like the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Pentagon are very likely to say to Congress at some point in the not-too-distant future that we have evidence that there is technology flying around here that seems like it can’t possibly be of human origin, all right? Now, I don’t know what I’m going to do with that kind of disclosure … [t]hat is such a powerfully strange circumstance to be in, right? What are we going to do with that, if in fact that’s what happens? If, in fact, the considered opinions — despite the embarrassment it causes them — of the U.S. government … and all the relevant intelligence services is that this isn’t a hoax, there’s too much data to suggest it’s a hoax, there’s too much radar imagery, there’s too much satellite data, whatever data they actually have, there’s too much of it, all we can say now is something is going on and there is no way it’s the Chinese or the Russians or anyone else’s technology. That should arrest our attention collectively to a degree that nothing in our lifetime has, and one worries that we’re so jaded and confused and distracted that it’ll get much less coverage than, you know, Obama’s tan suit did a bunch of years ago. Who knows how we’ll respond to it?”

    “This is probably premature to even talk about this, but I’ve had someone reach out to me and has assured me that I’m going to be on a Zoom call with, you know, former heads of the CIA and Office of Naval Research and people whose bona fide are very easy to track, and they’re concerned about the messaging around all of this to the public, and dampening down panic and conspiracy theories. But the … what is being promised here is a disclosure that is frankly, either the most alarming or the most interesting thing in the world, depending on how you take it, but it’s not a representation of the facts that will give scientific skeptics any comfort, and that’s just … we’re faced with the prospect of having to apologize to the people we’ve been laughing at for the last fifty years who have been alleging that they’ve been abducted or that cattle have been anally probed, pick your punch line.”
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