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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Jimmy Church interviews Lue Elizondo and Daniel Sheehan


    I listened to the whole thing. A few comments:
    • I still don't trust Elizondo. No disrespect intended to anyone who does. It's a personal statement. I just can't and don't.
    • Danny Sheehan is naive (at the very end, so is Mark Sims, who called in). There's not one "ET civilization", as he referred to frequently. There are many, with many different agendas.
    • And (like many others) he states that the reason for the corporate firewalling of ET technology is all about profit and competitive advantage. It has to be possible that there really are serious issues out there that are pretty hard to understand (or accept!), which really do constitute major mind-bending problems that Congress would never be able to deal with.
    • Church is naive as well, and so was Sheehan with regard to the following. There's no way there could be "a million people marching in the streets" for disclosure. Someone might be able to drum up 50! You can't even get 10,000 people together (easily) for an anti-vaxx or anti-lockdown protest.
    • And that's one reason why all this was timed for now. Very few regular people care. They're worried about the "Delta variant", worried about food and jobs and income and travel and rent, obsessed with the media updates on how scary everything is right now, and how we all have to stay home. UFOs? Forget about it. Most people who are well aware of the UFO coverup (and the deep complexity behind the scenes) are also well aware that we're in a war in which many people we know are being killed or seriously injured.
    • That's what matters right now: the war we're in. Whether some ETs are a threat or not, there are humans who are a greater threat to us right now. (And, it can't be 100.0% impossible that some kinds of ET are behind all that in some way.)
    • Whether any ETs are here to help, that's not going to be up to us to determine. It's not like praying to a deity that will only respond if we ask sincerely enough. And sitting in a field holding hands won't affect that at all. Any benevolent ETs who are able to assist or intervene will be doing that anyway — regardless of what we believe, think or do. They're more likely to be concerned about Earth's valuable and unique ecosystem than whether a billion humans die or not, and that's the area in which they'd take some kind of action — if they do.
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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Jimmy Church interviews Lue Elizondo and Daniel Sheehan


    I listened to the whole thing. A few comments:
    • I still don't trust Elizondo. No disrespect intended to anyone who does. It's a personal statement. I just can't and don't.
    • Danny Sheehan is naive (at the very end, so is Mark Sims, who called in). There's not one "ET civilization", as he referred to frequently. There are many, with many different agendas.
    • And (like many others) he states that the reason for the corporate firewalling of ET technology is all about profit and competitive advantage. It has to be possible that there really are serious issues out there that are pretty hard to understand (or accept!), which really do constitute major mind-bending problems that Congress would never be able to deal with.
    • Church is naive as well, and so was Sheehan with regard to the following. There's no way there could be "a million people marching in the streets" for disclosure. Someone might be able to drum up 50! You can't even get 10,000 people together (easily) for an anti-vaxx or anti-lockdown protest.
    • And that's one reason why all this was timed for now. Very few regular people care. They're worried about the "Delta variant", worried about food and jobs and income and travel and rent, obsessed with the media updates on how scary everything is right now, and how we all have to stay home. UFOs? Forget about it. Most people who are well aware of the UFO coverup (and the deep complexity behind the scenes) are also well aware that we're in a war in which many people we know are being killed or seriously injured.
    • That's what matters right now: the war we're in. Whether some ETs are a threat or not, there are humans who are a greater threat to us right now. (And, it can't be 100.0% impossible that some kinds of ET are behind all that in some way.)
    • Whether any ETs are here to help, that's not going to be up to us to determine. It's not like praying to a deity that will only respond if we ask sincerely enough. And sitting in a field holding hands won't affect that at all. Any benevolent ETs who are able to assist or intervene will be doing that anyway — regardless of what we believe, think or do. They're more likely to be concerned about Earth's valuable and unique ecosystem than whether a billion humans die or not, and that's the area in which they'd take some kind of action — if they do.
    I completely agree with you Bill on every point but one!!

    It is very hard for me to believe that Danny Sheehan is naive. In the past 45 years, he has been involved in pretty big legal cases, "Pentagon Papers" and the "Watergate" just to name a few. Do you really think he is naive or is there something else?

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    ROSS COULTHART on Fade to Black.

    ROSS COULTHART TELLS IT LIKE IT IS !


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    According to this article, if someone does not agree with the UFO story as it is being layed out on mainstream media:
    • they are probably part of a group think phenomena where they are rewarding for sharing outlandish ideas.

    • they are prone to violent and illegal behavior.

    UFO conspiracies can be more dangerous than you think
    Hardcore UFO enthusiasts share troubling elements with other conspiracy communities.
    https://www.popsci.com/military/ufo-...acy-dangerous/

    Ufology’s old guard came of age with relatively offline lives, gathering at conferences or local research meetings. They often dug the procedural nature of investigating specific UFO cases, or looked into the sociology of things—captured by the human side of the story—as opposed to simply the sightings themselves. Then, of course, there was the more passively interested public, who once had to dig more for information.

    “A joke I’ve heard is you’re talking to an old UFO-head who’s 40 or 50, and he says, ‘When I wanted to get conspiracy documentaries, I had to go find a weird guy in a trenchcoat in Times Square selling DVDs,’” says Chris Cogswell, co-host of the Mad Scientist Podcast, a show examining the science, philosophy, and history of weird claims. “Now I just go to the History Channel.”

    If you want slightly less conspiratorial UFO material, lately, you can also open the New York Times, the New Yorker, the Washington Post, NBC, CBS, and even, yes, Popular Science. The idea that “UFOs are real”—and that aliens have come to Earth, or at least that someone more down-to-Earth possesses mind-blowing tech—has gone fully normie. That’s thanks in part to governmental interest in “UAP,” or unidentified aerial phenomena. It’s also thanks to coverage of said governmental interest, and leaked military reports of reports, videos, and images, all of which often find themselves in the hands of UFO-minded media, only to bubble up into more mainstream publications.

    Most people’s interest remains casual. But underneath, there exists a harder-core segment, whose thoughts and actions around the topic include the troubling elements of other conspiracy communities.

    UFO belief may seem like the “fun” conspiracy. Who doesn’t, after all, like to contemplate aliens, or secret advanced technology? But knock-on effects nevertheless exist. “I think it’s very difficult to imagine that UFOs are a reality without also thinking there is a conspiracy to cover them up,” says Mick West, an author and skeptic who runs the forum Metabunk. “If you believe anything extreme that involves a government coverup, it makes it easy to believe the government stole the election or is covering up a vaccine.”

    At the same time, though, UFOs represent a special sort of conspiracy, because most Americans grow up with a common narrative. If you haven’t seen the X-Files, you’ve seen E.T. If you haven’t seen E.T., you’ve listened to your friend’s story about that weird light she saw. “Lots of conspiracy theories, you get redpilled into. You’re waking up into a world you didn’t know existed,” says West, referring to the red pill in The Matrix that shows Neo the true nature of reality. “But everybody grows up knowing about UFOs and the ideas of flying saucers. The redpilling doesn’t require very much.” It’s more like a pink pill, he quips.

    For a lot of people, that pink pill is a personal experience. “It’s them being on a dark country road and seeing a black triangle,” says West. That personal connection, West believes, is part of why UFO conspiracists can be so intense. Compared to even 9/11 truthers, UFO folks are “the most passionate people out there.”

    That internet has fanned UFO passions, and connected new enthusiasts in ways different from the old guard’s previous experiences. When the New York Times published a shocker story in 2017—about a purported Pentagon UFO research program (which the Pentagon currently says wasn’t exactly a UFO research program)—many in the old guard continued about their business.

    But the revelations digitally riled the existing younger crowd and recruited more to its ranks.

    “The younger generation, at least a part of it, I think wanted to see action and wanted to do something,” says Cogswell, a consultant with a PhD in chemical engineering, in addition to a podcaster who’s been observing and participating in UFO research for years, through a skeptical lens. They took the initial Pentagon revelation as “almost a call to action.”

    They could agitate online for mainstream attention, political action, and the ever-elusive disclosure: the idea that the government will someday dump its knowledge onto the public. When Cogswell first got internet-interested, around the turn of this century, UFO talk was a message-board phenomenon. Today, the /r/UFOs subreddit has 437,000 followers. But chatter also spreads through other social media, where enthusiasts gather using hashtags like #UFOtwitter (around 2,500 tweets per day in June), and in group DMs, Discord servers, and Facebook groups. The most popular videos of a YouTuber formerly known as UFO Jesus, whose channel is now called “Post Disclosure World,” have been viewed between 100,000 and 200,000 times; the #1 is called “Aliens Warn Government: Disclose Truth About UFOs OR ELSE!”

    Among some within that hyperconnected crowd, interest coalesced largely around this military program; its reported director, a man named Luis Elizondo; reports and videos from Navy servicemembers; and a private UFO-advocacy company called To the Stars Academy, founded by former blink-182 member Tom DeLonge and boasting employees like Elizondo himself. Elizondo has since left the organization, but has continued to spread the gospel as public and political interest in UFOs has grown. That interest culminated last month, in a report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, analyzing 144 cases of military-sighted UAP.

    “UFOs have gone from being just a hobby or something you’re interested in to your entire identity,” says Cogswell of a slice of the ufology community. And it’s a group identity, in which they’re allied with those who see the world the same way: as a place regularly visited by amazing unidentified somethings, about which powerful people are hiding information. They believe they have the power to help bring the truth to light, in lockstep with a hero—like Elizondo—they can rally around. “They also, on top of that, have the idea of persecution,” says Cogswell. “Scientists are out to get them. The government is lying to you.”

    In this universe, you are, says Cogswell, “showered with love,” when you adhere to the right beliefs, “and then showered with hate when you go against the group,” reinforcing a common and conformist view of all-things-saucer. Nothing ever bonded anyone better than being covalently downtrodden.

    For West, the unwillingness to truly consider other perspectives is troubling. “Any argument that you put forward, they see as either being wrong or misguided or a deliberate attempt for misinformation,” he says.

    That dogmatism worries Cogswell. “The language has taken on a more active, more combative feel and role,” he says. “The rhetoric, it’s not so much militarization as it is activation. ‘These are operations, ‘you need to fight for disclosure,’ ‘we need to all act together.’”

    Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell, often the recipient of the aforementioned leaked military footage and photos, touts the tagline “Weaponize your curiosity,” and recently said, quoting a song lyric, “I ain’t stopping on UFOs till the bodies hit the floor.” People took that (and UFO fans take him) with varying degrees of seriousness, and little literality, but still.

    And then there’s this statement from Elizondo himself, speaking about his efforts to extricate UFO information from government vaults. “The only way this is gonna stop is, like I said before, if someone puts a bullet in my head,” he said in a recent interview “…I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit back and let a bunch of bureaucrats, you know, abscond with that responsibility to be fair and transparent with it with the American people. …Don’t sit back and wait around and let them tell us, ‘Oh, here’s what you can have.’ Bull****, man. That’s not the way this works.”

    Soon after, Elizondo clarified, “In case, anybody misunderstands anything I’m saying here, at no time do I ever advocate violence.”

    West says he doesn’t see such a significant linguistic shift amongst believers, but he does note the militaristic nature of today’s UAP interest—a threat narrative about how unidentified incursions into airspace are a national security issue, a potential danger to service members and to the country that must be understood and countered. You, on Twitter, are helping people stay safe. With those stakes, how could you not dedicate your time to the cause? “The ‘threat narrative’ is a deliberate way of framing UFOs so they will be taken seriously,” says West.

    If you’re not in the in-group, you might wonder why you should care if some people are a little fanatic about UFOs. Let them have it, right? It’s just flying saucers, or, in this case, Tic Tacs.

    But real-world experience suggests that entrenchment in conspiracy theories is associated, in some cases, with violent or illegal behavior. Some research points the same direction. A 2020 study in Social Psychological and Personality Science, which suggested that embracing a conspiratorial worldview decreases reported intent to engage in “normative” political behaviors like signing petitions or organizing rallies, but increases reported intent to engage in “non-normative” political behaviors like attacking people or property.

    The violence is obviously the eyecatcher there, but conspiratorial thinking has, IRL, also led people to avoid vaccines, stalk the parents of school-shooting victims, troll climate scientists, and spend hard-earned money buying equipment to prove Flat Earth theory right.

    Scholars often study the individual factors that lead people down those rabbit holes. But West, whose book Escaping the Rabbit Hole discusses how to compassionately and effectively talk to the conspiracists in your life, thinks a red-pill moment—like seeing an odd blip in the sky, or watching a sensational YouTube video—outweighs any psychological predisposition. And Shruti Phadke, a researcher at the University of Washington, recently took a look at another understudied side of the issue, comparing the importance of the social factors that lead someone down the rabbit hole to the more-studied individual factors. How does someone start with “NASA could be corrupt” and end up at “the Moon landing was fake”? “So many things have to happen for a person to go from here to there,” Phadke says.

    Her team analyzed data from reddit, in conspiratorial communities ranging from those dedicated to chemtrails to climate skepticism to alien presence on Earth. “The most important factor is availability of conspiracists in their social circle,” says Phadke. The second most important factor was that the future conspiracists, prior to hopping down the rabbit hole, got moderated or downvoted in the non-conspiratorial subreddits. “When you are ostracized from somewhere you try to find a place where you’re accepted more,” she says. You find /r/conspiracy, or /r/reptiliandude.

    Then, you are surrounded by others who accept and perhaps share your beliefs. “They’re consistently being exposed to one side of the coin. They’re consistently consuming only very propagandized information,” she says. “On top of that they’re being told that any other information they see is not valid.”

    You can see this at work in real-time, embodied in the sleek surfaces of UFOs. Is there a way, though, to digest news on the topic, but remain outside the conspiratorial fray? Cogswell has one piece of advice: “If someone tells you they have a UFO secret,” he says, “they’re lying.”

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    It is very hard for me to believe that Danny Sheehan is naive. In the past 45 years, he has been involved in pretty big legal cases, "Pentagon Papers" and the "Watergate" just to name a few. Do you really think he is naive or is there something else?
    I think what Bill meant is that Sheehan is naive on this one issue - on the beings that are out there, extra/ultra terrestrial, and what their agenda is, and if they are unified. Too much of his thinking on the matter probably comes from hanging around Stephen Greer.

    Sheehan is extremely savvy about legal matters, and if there is anyone who can take down the system, it might just be him.

    From Bill:

    Thanks, yes, that's exactly what I meant.

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    Mr. Steven Bassett (UFO-ET disclosure lobbyist in Washington, DC) suggests that there may soon be a congressional public hearing on UFO / UAP investigations in the US Congress.

    After the congressional hearing, President Biden would have more political latitude to confirm not only the UFOs but the ET presence, and details such as the Roswell UFO crash, anti-gravity retro engineering, etc., would begin to be revealed.

    Third, after all this, they would only explain why they hid all this for so many years. According to Bassett the main official revelation has to come from a President and to avoid political problems and scandals it has to be taken step by step.

    Hopefully, it will happen. Expectations like these have disappointed in the past. But it is something to consider and to be prepared for.

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    The National Institutes of Health, National Library of Medicine reprinted an article from Entropy, a peer-reviewed journal. It examines the flight characteristics of various UAPs where measurable data could be analyzed. It's another step forward toward legitimating UAP reality for the scientific community.

    One of the paragraphs stated:

    Unfortunately, the attitude that the study of UAVs (UFOs) is “unscientific” pervades the scientific community, including SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), which is surprising, especially since efforts are underway to search for extraterrestrial artifacts in the solar system, particularly, on the Moon, Mars, asteroids, and at Earth-associated Lagrange points. Ironically, such attitudes inhibit scientific study, perpetuating a state of ignorance about these phenomena that has persisted for well over 70 years, which is now especially detrimental, since answers are presently needed.

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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/

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    Two new videos from Dr Steven Greer, extracted from the same presentation: the 20th anniversary of the Disclosure Project Press Conference, 25 April 2021. (Even that feels like over a year ago right now. )
    • Dr. Steven Greer – continued discussion of a potential hoaxed “alien threat” and shows models of ARVs (segments also with Jim Goodall, John Warner IV, Richard Doty and Paola Harris)

    • Daniel Sheehan — discusses the Cosmic Hoax and other issues
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    Physicist and contactee Jack Sarfatti debunks the lie that the Pentagon is putting forth: "We don't know what they are".

    Sarfatti discusses the principles of physics and how they relate to the behavior of the Tic Tac and other UFO phenomena.
    OMG, I so much enjoyed that. And clearly, so did Jack Sarfatti. Even though his poor interviewer, Jim Breslo, could hardly follow him at times.


    I knew Sarfatti a little back in Serpo days, in 2006. We met a couple of times, and also exchanged emails. He was fascinated by the Serpo story as well, as almost everyone in the intel community was. I always fully appreciated him, his style, and his raw maverick intelligence.

    Back then, he was very feisty and often antagonistic. It was so great to see him now (aged 81! And I hope to be as smart as him when I reach my 80s) having mellowed quite a lot, and despite his regular digs at Hal Puthoff (who he's always regarded as a kind of dunderhead), he was actually very patient throughout the interview, laughing a great deal at everything from start to finish.

    The part that's relevant to this thread is that he states emphatically that he and others know full well how the TicTacs (and other similar craft) work and fly — and I totally believe him. And interestingly, he states that the Russians have been following his theoretical work closely for decades — and I totally believe that as well.

    The implication of that is that the TicTacs actually might be Russian craft, even if they're not American (which in my opinion has to be very possible). But to throw all that into a loop, pun intended, there's also the potential time travel dimension, which Sarfatti does his level best to explain. All wonderfully entertaining stuff to listen to.


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    Here is Richard Dolan's lecture: "UFO Crash Recoveries: A Classified Corporate Goldrush?"

    Like the Steven Greer Lecture " Bill posted above, Dolan makes the case that we have recovered and re-engineered advanced technology including craft. But while Greer is giving out information from unnamed whistleblowers, Dolan cites documents and names names and refers to actual whistleblower technology that is out there.

    https://odysee.com/@GualtierMalde:0/...8gGQuv8tezDSM6

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    Thank you for posting see Clifford Stone myriad of youtube videos on crash retrieval as well as his book. Also see Phillip Corso "The Day After Roswell" which is actually "The General Electric Story".

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    I'm calling Jack Sarfatti a fraud. Jim Breslo actually asks valid intelligent questions trying to navigate through the deluge of bull**** coming off his guest who appears to make stuff up as he goes. But, he's good with names, I give him that.

    Moreover, having Bill Ryan backing up this individual only adds to my suspicions he and this platform are funded by CIA (most probably). As Jordan Maxwell once said, one can talk about everything except what really matters and they’ll even get financed and supported by the people upstairs.

    Although Ryan’s intentions are good (but constrained), it only goes to show you there is no absolute good or absolute evil but an intertwined mix serving an infinite number of agendas. Just like in marriage, disclosure is a compromise.

    I'm still grateful for having been given access to this community though.

    I suppose, by saying this, that you have some high level view or knowledge about it, that could immediately debunk and make everyone take a step back into whatever they believe at this point.

    This is probably one of the most important times in the entire human history, when people have to back their words with very very hard facts

    That's something important, right? Where and what are your sources that caused this perception of the current world, can we take a look?

    Can you share this information?
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    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Here is Richard Dolan's lecture: "UFO Crash Recoveries: A Classified Corporate Goldrush?"

    Like the Steven Greer Lecture " Bill posted above, Dolan makes the case that we have recovered and re-engineered advanced technology including craft. But while Greer is giving out information from unnamed whistleblowers, Dolan cites documents and names names and refers to actual whistleblower technology that is out there.

    https://odysee.com/@GualtierMalde:0/...8gGQuv8tezDSM6

    Excellent, many thanks indeed.

    A handful of small points, really just things I registered while watching carefully.
    • Mark McCandlish: I'd strongly suspect that the source who has a LOT more of Mark's information, who Richard declined to name, is Robert Morningstar. I've seen some of this on Robert's website https://ufospotlight.org, and I need to go find the references.
    • (A tiny picky point) Re Bobby Ray Inman, the well-known major research organization mentioned is SAIC, not SIAC. (Kind of trivial, but important for researchers.)
    • The VERY major point that's very rarely mentioned or discussed is that even though the Pentagon or the USG may not have any real oversight or control over what the private aerospace corporations are doing (Lockheed, Boeing and all the rest) — someone does. When the ARV goes shooting off to explore the solar system (or Ben Rich's Skunkworks craft go to Alpha Centauri to "take ET home"), someone is managing and co-ordinating all that.

      It's not Lockheed all on their own. Nor is it the Pentagon. This is the province of the Secret Space Program, and possibly MJ-12 (or Zodiac, if that's its name now). Richard mentions the Breakaway Civilization at the end of his lecture, and this is really what it's all about. If there's a kind of pyramid structure to all this, most UFO researchers have only delved a short way up into that. The top levels are quite unknown.
    • I wish Richard would stop talking about "The Young Guns", like it's some kind of chummy school club of which he's the honorary president. It'd be VERY nice if he gave a nod to Daniel Liszt (The Dark Journalist), who in his extraordinary X-Series (with now over 100 video installments) has researched enough history to match anything that Richard may be aware of.

      And while he's at it, Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell, John Warner IV, and Walter Bosley. But no, if we add Steven Greer and his team in there as well, and Grant Cameron with his increasing focus on experiencers and contactees, ufology is now all laid out in different camps with firewalls all around, and they're just not talking to one another. Not a good thing... for anyone.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Here is Richard Dolan's lecture: "UFO Crash Recoveries: A Classified Corporate Goldrush?"

    Like the Steven Greer Lecture " Bill posted above, Dolan makes the case that we have recovered and re-engineered advanced technology including craft. But while Greer is giving out information from unnamed whistleblowers, Dolan cites documents and names names and refers to actual whistleblower technology that is out there.

    https://odysee.com/@GualtierMalde:0/...8gGQuv8tezDSM6

    Excellent, many thanks indeed.

    A handful of small points, really just things I registered while watching carefully.
    • Mark McCandlish: I'd strongly suspect that the source who has a LOT more of Mark's information, who Richard declined to name, is Robert Morningstar. I've seen some of this on Robert's website https://ufospotlight.org, and I need to go find the references.
    • (A tiny picky point) Re Bobby Ray Inman, the well-known major research organization mentioned is SAIC, not SIAC. (Kind of trivial, but important for researchers.)
    • The VERY major point that's very rarely mentioned or discussed is that even though the Pentagon or the USG may not have any real oversight or control over what the private aerospace corporations are doing (Lockheed, Boeing and all the rest) — someone does. When the ARV goes shooting off to explore the solar system (or Ben Rich's Skunkworks craft go to Alpha Centauri to "take ET home"), someone is managing and co-ordinating all that.

      It's not Lockheed all on their own. Nor is it the Pentagon. This is the province of the Secret Space Program, and possibly MJ-12 (or Zodiac, if that's its name now). Richard mentions the Breakaway Civilization at the end of his lecture, and this is really what it's all about. If there's a kind of pyramid structure to all this, most UFO researchers have only delved a short way up into that. The top levels are quite unknown.
    • I wish Richard would stop talking about "The Young Guns", like it's some kind of chummy school club of which he's the honorary president. It'd be VERY nice if he gave a nod to Daniel Liszt (The Dark Journalist), who in his extraordinary X-Series (with now over 100 video installments) has researched enough history to match anything that Richard may be aware of.

      And while he's at it, Catherine Austin Fitts, Joseph Farrell, John Warner IV, and Walter Bosley. But no, if we add Steven Greer and his team in there as well, and Grant Cameron with his increasing focus on experiencers and contactees, ufology is now all laid out in different camps with firewalls all around, and they're just not talking to one another. Not a good thing... for anyone.
    100% agree with you Bill!!

    I am only now starting to catch-up on DJ's X-series. Absolutely fantastic quality and depth of research presented in this series by Daniel.

    As you said, most UFO researchers only "delved a short way up that [pyramid]" is because they refuse to make the deep state connection to the UFO subject. Without it, one cannot even begin to comprehend the "who" and the "why".

    And Daniel is part of this tiny group of researchers that you mentioned that are willing to dig deep and connect the dots.

    Highly recommended to anyone who wants to begin to understand what the hell is going on right now!

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    International Extraterrestrial Research Organization Expands Its Global Reach

    ICER adds two new representatives

    Toronto [ZNN] ZlandCommunications has learned that ICER - the International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research has announced that it is expanding its membership representation from 27 members to 29.

    Why is this announcement by ICER significant?

    Read the entire press release to find out at: ZNN

    http://zlandcommunications.blogspot....-research.html

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    The press conference on Monday, July 26, 2021 at 12 noon EDT, will announce the Galileo Project engaged in the systematic scientific search for extraterrestrial technological artifacts.

    YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtD...INstvJvALwKYXA


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    "The Last Disclosure"



    Steven Greer is seen in place as Judas and John Greenwald as the doubting Thomas. Next up, the "Stations of the Cross" featuring Elizondo.

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    • UFO (2021) Official Trailer | SHOWTIME Documentary Series:
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    • UFO (2021) Official Trailer | SHOWTIME Documentary Series:
    Fantastic!

    You know it's the real deal when JJ "Star Wars destroyer" Abrams is involved.

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