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    Here is an excerpt from an article about the "threat narrative" from the UK's sensationalist "The Sun" newspaper:

    Quote Alien invaders could turn asteroids into city-destroying bombs before bleeding Earth dry, professor wildly claims
    Patrick Knox 16:50, 31 Dec 2021

    ASTEROIDS and viruses could be weaponised by invading aliens hellbent on colonising Earth to bleed the planet dry of its resources, according to a wild new theory.

    Professor Paul Springer, from the US Air Command and Staff College in Alabama, spoke to Sun Online about a theoretical extraterrestrial attack.



    The expert, who specialises in the changing face of war, said it's likely probes would be sent ahead of the invaders from beyond our solar system to scope out Earth.
    The article continues (at: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/170387...h-us-airforce/) but I think the little graphic image conveys that this article is pure fear porn.

    In my opinion, if there is going to be a threat narrative, it is going to be much more sophisticated than the scenarios Professor Paul Springer is springing on us, that all seem like plots on 1950's sci-fi dime novels. Here's my best guess as to what we are going to be told, and why American's and NATO nations are going to be expected to cough up a lot of money to research the phenomena:

    "There is tremendous technology out there, technology that has tremendous applications. Our military is seeing it, and the Russian and the Chinese military are seeing it too. We know that the Chinese and Russians are putting all their resources into reverse engineering this. What if they get ahead of us? What if they develop a technology that would make them invulnerable, and that would make them the invincible dominant military power on the planet? We can't let that happen, so cough up some more tax dollars so that we can save you from the CCP or Vlad Putin."

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    I decided to look a little further into Prof. Paul Springer, from the US Air Command and Staff College in Alabama.



    From the Foreign Policy Institue bio of him:

    Quote Paul J. Springer, a Senior Fellow in the FPRI Program on National Security, is a Professor of Comparative Military History at the Air Command and Staff College, located at Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama. He teaches courses on leadership, strategy, terrorism, and military history. Springer is the author of America’s Captives (University Press of Kansas, 2010); Military Robots and Drones (ABC-Clio, 2013); Transforming Civil War Prisons: Lincoln, Lieber, and the Laws of War (Routledge, 2014); and America’s Wars: A Military History of the United States, 1500-Present (Naval Institute Press, 2015). He is the series editor of Transforming War and The History of Military Aviation, both with the Naval Institute Press. His current research includes books on cyber warfare, military robotics, the West Point class of 1829, and higher education in the South from 1865-1900. He holds a PhD in history from Texas A&M, and has taught there and at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. He has appeared as a consultant and interview subject for programs on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, and the National Geographic Channel.
    He is also an author on the paper "Why Do States Build Nuclear Weapons?: Proliferation Models as Concurrent Pressures on a State."

    And he's written a book on 9/11:



    It seems this man has a history of advocating for a big military state with lots of weapons spending. And he is out there in the media (History Channel, The Sun, Discovery Channel) probably pushing for that too.

    But the most interesting thing is that he was pushing the alien threat agenda already in May of 2012, 5½ years before the New York Times article told us about Lou Elizondo and the ATIP program. He wasn't pushing this in the U.S.A, but on an Australian radio station, however, an article about the interview did appear in a newspaper in Columbia, Missouri. And, he said he was talking about Pentagon plans to counter an alien threat, and was openly discussing this with permission from his superiors. Reposting the whole article in case is disappears:

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    Hypothesis on alien life gains heft
    BILL WICKERSHAM
    May 15, 2012
    https://www.columbiatribune.com/stor...s/21618666007/

    Recently, Professor Paul Springer of the U.S. Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama was a guest on an Australian talk show titled "U.S. Military Making Plans for an Alien Invasion." Springer, a former professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point who has a doctorate in military history from Texas A&M University, said his superiors had authorized him to discuss Pentagon plans to counter an alien invasion.

    Recently, Professor Paul Springer of the U.S. Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama was a guest on an Australian talk show titled "U.S. Military Making Plans for an Alien Invasion." Springer, a former professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point who has a doctorate in military history from Texas A&M University, said his superiors had authorized him to discuss Pentagon plans to counter an alien invasion.

    During the interview, Springer was asked, "What do you think would be the alien plan? What would they do first?" He replied: "That really depends on why they are here in the first place. If they are here for extraction of a specific resource, for example, they might just want to eliminate any resistance that might block them from their objective. If, on the other hand, their goal was actual occupation and conquest, then they would probably have to prioritize anything they perceived as a threat to their own dominance. So they would probably start by wiping out as many communications networks as possible and eliminating as many weapons that might represent some form of threat whether to them or to the resources they are trying to extract. So they might very well want to counter every nuclear weapon, not because it represented a threat to them but because it might destroy whatever they're here to collect."

    In commenting on Springer's quote, Michael Salla, founder of the Honolulu-based Exopolitics Institute, noted it has been documented for more than 60 years that UFOs have been observing U.S. nuclear weapons facilities and, in some cases, have disrupted their launch capability. U.S. Air Force spokespeople have for many years declared no intrusions by crafts of unknown origin that have been reported, investigated or evaluated ever threatened U.S. national security. That declaration has been made despite the fact several former U.S. missile launch officers and support personnel have testified otherwise.

    Recently, Professor Paul Springer of the U.S. Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama was a guest on an Australian talk show titled "U.S. Military Making Plans for an Alien Invasion." Springer, a former professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point who has a doctorate in military history from Texas A&M University, said his superiors had authorized him to discuss Pentagon plans to counter an alien invasion.

    During the interview, Springer was asked, "What do you think would be the alien plan? What would they do first?" He replied: "That really depends on why they are here in the first place. If they are here for extraction of a specific resource, for example, they might just want to eliminate any resistance that might block them from their objective. If, on the other hand, their goal was actual occupation and conquest, then they would probably have to prioritize anything they perceived as a threat to their own dominance. So they would probably start by wiping out as many communications networks as possible and eliminating as many weapons that might represent some form of threat whether to them or to the resources they are trying to extract. So they might very well want to counter every nuclear weapon, not because it represented a threat to them but because it might destroy whatever they're here to collect."

    In commenting on Springer's quote, Michael Salla, founder of the Honolulu-based Exopolitics Institute, noted it has been documented for more than 60 years that UFOs have been observing U.S. nuclear weapons facilities and, in some cases, have disrupted their launch capability. U.S. Air Force spokespeople have for many years declared no intrusions by crafts of unknown origin that have been reported, investigated or evaluated ever threatened U.S. national security. That declaration has been made despite the fact several former U.S. missile launch officers and support personnel have testified otherwise.

    Springer's television interview brings to mind the longtime artificial alien invasion warnings put forth by Carol Rosin, former aerospace executive with Fairchild Industries who worked as a special assistant to U.S. space czar Wernher von Braun during the final two years of his life when he was suffering from kidney cancer. Concerning a possible alien invasion hoax, Rosin said: "The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had 'killer satellites.'

    Recently, Professor Paul Springer of the U.S. Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama was a guest on an Australian talk show titled "U.S. Military Making Plans for an Alien Invasion." Springer, a former professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point who has a doctorate in military history from Texas A&M University, said his superiors had authorized him to discuss Pentagon plans to counter an alien invasion.

    During the interview, Springer was asked, "What do you think would be the alien plan? What would they do first?" He replied: "That really depends on why they are here in the first place. If they are here for extraction of a specific resource, for example, they might just want to eliminate any resistance that might block them from their objective. If, on the other hand, their goal was actual occupation and conquest, then they would probably have to prioritize anything they perceived as a threat to their own dominance. So they would probably start by wiping out as many communications networks as possible and eliminating as many weapons that might represent some form of threat whether to them or to the resources they are trying to extract. So they might very well want to counter every nuclear weapon, not because it represented a threat to them but because it might destroy whatever they're here to collect."

    In commenting on Springer's quote, Michael Salla, founder of the Honolulu-based Exopolitics Institute, noted it has been documented for more than 60 years that UFOs have been observing U.S. nuclear weapons facilities and, in some cases, have disrupted their launch capability. U.S. Air Force spokespeople have for many years declared no intrusions by crafts of unknown origin that have been reported, investigated or evaluated ever threatened U.S. national security. That declaration has been made despite the fact several former U.S. missile launch officers and support personnel have testified otherwise.

    Springer's television interview brings to mind the longtime artificial alien invasion warnings put forth by Carol Rosin, former aerospace executive with Fairchild Industries who worked as a special assistant to U.S. space czar Wernher von Braun during the final two years of his life when he was suffering from kidney cancer. Concerning a possible alien invasion hoax, Rosin said: "The strategy that Wernher von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had 'killer satellites.'

    "We were then told that they were coming to get us and control us — that they were 'commies.' … Then terrorists would be identified. Then we were going to identify Third World-country 'crazies.' We now call them 'nations of concern.' But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based missiles.

    "The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point, he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids — against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.

    "And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up the last card."

    Several analysts have interpreted Springer's statement as a similar "false flag" hoax aimed at gaining public support for increased expenditures for additional exotic "Star Wars" weapons systems. Others interpret his announcement as a "news embargo leakage" tactic that will help lessen the shock of eventual full U.S. government disclosure of the meanings of the UFO presence and the extraterrestrial hypothesis that has been supported at the 90 percent level of confidence by French scientists and other students of the issue, such as former U.S. astronaut Edgar Mitchell.

    Given the well-documented government campaigns of misinformation and disinformation since the late 1940s, it is truly difficult to separate truth from falsehood.

    As Stanford University space sciences and astrophysics Professor Peter Sturrock said: "The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science and administration of universities."

    In contrast to the alien-enemy scenario put forth by Springer, numerous UFO researchers and other analysts have taken a more positive approach to relations with the "Visiting Others." One example is a proposed international-cosmic treaty known as The Outer Space Security and Development Treaty of 2011 crafted by Rosin, Mitchell and retired U.S. naval intelligence officer Scott Jones.

    For those who would like additional information from generals, pilots, scientists and government officials, simply Google: "Out of the Blue UFO Documentary — You Tube." The introduction by Mitchell is itself worth the effort.

    https://www.columbiatribune.com/stor...s/21618666007/

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    I notice that in 2012 the "attacking aliens" hadn't thought of using germ warfare but by 2022 they have !
    Bazinga !

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    https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/20...ies-ufologists

    Very legitimate concerns. It is as if disclosure and humanity's subsequent reconsideration of reality and itself depended on how the military-controls and releases the information. Definitely, they have a role to play and pro-disclosure factions are thanked for but there is much more than the way they present things. Civilians ought to be involved. Legitimacy seems to depend on when the military backs it up, followed by scientists and politicians. But the threat can be overblown. What about contacts after which people became better human beings? BOTH the testimony varieties of abduction experiences and of more peaceful, voluntary contact experiences. It has to be balanced for balanced assessments.

    Besides, I think that to understand the phenomenon and its intelligence (s), the patterns derived from thousands of collective testimonies must be appreciated under an expanded scientific approach that includes the idea that an interactive higher echelon of objectivity and subjectivity is demonstrated by UAP & ET-NH.

    I suppose that presenting UFOs - NH to the public mostly as a complete unknown is naturally phony to most well-informed ufologists. it may be part of a gradual disclosure plan so as not to scare social segments nationally and internationally, but this also lends itself to perpetuating the illusion that much more is not known. Serious cover-up ufology clearly shows that strangely (quite likely illegally), UFO research hidden within other classified projects and unofficially unsupervised elements of research exists within the military-industrial complex. This is why the current lukewarm disclosure presentation to the public is highly suspicious. Can we relax be happy with it and trust that the cover-up will not continue in another form, now supported by political officialdon?

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    Quote Posted by Did You See Them (here)
    I notice that in 2012 the "attacking aliens" hadn't thought of using germ warfare but by 2022 they have !
    Bazinga !
    Revisiting some old science fiction, I just finished reading Asimov's Pebble In The Sky, where earthmen developed a virus that would kill off all the off-world descendants of earth on other star systems because of the way they treated earth folks, but which people on earth had immunity to. Written in 1950!

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    San Marino One Step Closer To Making Historic UFO Request At United Nations

    • ICER and CUN President Robert Pinotti met with San Marino’s two Heads of State this week to discuss Project Titan, a proposal that would see San Marino make a historic United Nations request for the creation of periodic UFO/UAP conferences under its aegis

    • Project Titan was greeted positively by the Heads of State, who will now report back to the San Marino Government

    • Project Titan’s Creator and Manager Paolo Guizzardi stated: “I feel reasonably confident in a positive outcome”

    • The final decision now rests on the shoulders of San Marino’s Congress of State.

    Project Titan was greeted with great interest by Mussoni and Simoncini, who will now report back to the Government, expressing a favorable opinion on the proposal.

    It is speculated that the incoming U.S. UAP Office may have a role in encouraging San Marino to make the UN request, as it has the mandate to coordinate with international allies and partners.

    Should San Marino proceed, the proposal will undergo a preliminary examination and discussion at the UN, before being submitted to a vote by the General Assembly.

    With the U.S. now taking UAP seriously, there is a reasonable possibility that a request by San Marino will succeed.
    Furthermore, there have been signs that Russia and China could also support such a proposal, especially as Project Titan’s origins can be traced to an earlier apparent Chinese effort.

    https://www.liberationtimes.com/home...united-nations

    https://www.liberationtimes.com/home...united-nations

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    aoibhghaire,

    Do you know how ICER ended up working with San Marino? I remember for a while they were working with a city in China and then their sponsor was Prince Hans Adam of Liechtenstein?

    Just wondering who are the key people in San Marino are and how they got connected to ufology.

    I have to say I have a much better feeling about San Marino than the two previous associations.

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    Kryztian ref to (Post 467)

    The President of ICER is the San Marino National representative for ICER.

    The ICER National representatives of Italy and San Marino conceived and developed the Titan Project.

    This Titan project was proposed to San Marino representatives of the government at the International Symposium on UAP in September 2021 in San Marino. This was the first Symposium launch for ICER with many reps from different countries. There were military and government officials in attendance. BTW, Lou Elizonda was there for the full Symposium.

    Project Titan was first officially announced in Barcelona, Spain in October 2021

    Historical background:

    Originally the Chinese in 2018 took the initiative for setting up an international organisation called WCEC, World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCEC) to be HQ in Heze, China.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...for-Disclosure

    This was later abandoned. Similarly Hans Adam of Liechtenstein was at the original meeting in Moscow back in October 2018 for the WCEC signing. This was the start of the Chinese initiative and signing for the new WCEC organisation. The HQ would have been in Heze, China. Some of the original participants went to China in July 2018. It was decided in Haskova, Bulgaria, October 2018 that there was communications problems with China. To avoid the abandoning all the work up to then, however, by mid 2019 that it was realised that the Chinese were definitely having problems and that they decided to abandon the project.

    By late 2019, many individuals from many countries decided that a new organisation still could be formed that would require 30 countries for a legal INGO. In addition, early discussions were taking place with Liechtenstein and San Marino. In the end San Marino was interested in taking it further and eventually a proposal was submitted last September 2021. It was important for the new ICER organisation to have one sovereign state to announce the UAP initiative to set up an office and have annual UAP symposia for governments and agencies. i.e. that San Marino would become the Geneva for UFOs.

    In the meantime ICER was formed legally, and registered in Portugal. ICER remit to lead the organisation mission to the United Nations. Going beyond the Granada initaitive at the UN back in 1978. It was important that ICER be an international NGO. Have 30 countries registered and later have one sovereign state support at the UN.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...esearch--ICER-

    The Cultural department of the San Marino government had been sponsoring for the last 30 years two Symposium. One was the International UFO Symposium and the International SETI Symposium. This experience was enough to entertain new initiatives like Project Titan.

    https://icer.network/2021/10/12/proj...press-release/
    https://icer.network/news/

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Another conversation about where UAP is going in Washington D.C. Linda Moulton Howe, Richard Dolan, Walter Bosely, Grant Cameron, David Adair, Nick Pope, Daniel Sheehan and Steve Bassett.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Another conversation about where UAP is going in Washington D.C. Linda Moulton Howe, Richard Dolan, Walter Bosely, Grant Cameron, David Adair, Nick Pope, Daniel Sheehan and Steve Bassett.
    An interesting discussion. Note that though only recently published on this channel, it was actually dated the day after the UAP Task Force report was published back in June 2021. Linda Howe mentions at 19:00 that she read the 9 pages "yesterday".

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    Absolutely priceless response from Jim Semivan to the host's question regarding TTSA being a disinfo operation... at 52:00...



    Semivan should not play poker, ever. I don't know how he served 25 years in the clandestine service, I guess he was not a field agent.

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/Josh_Jand...588374020?s=20

    This is a short interview.

    Congressman Andrew Carsons wants public hearings this year.

    In another interview Congressman Carson said they exhibit physics that are unknown to humans or that don't make any sense compared to known physics,

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    Some of this new interview by Steven Greer, streamed 3 days ago, I think belongs on this thread.

    The first section is about CE-5, and the third section is about free energy. But from 25:52—40:45 he announces an initiative in which his group intends to contact all US Members of Congress about the UAP 'disclosure' situation. As a standalone 15 minute section, it's interesting and relevant.


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    The greatest obstacle to official transparency of the UFO phenomenon.

    Some senior and highly influential officials in the U.S. military and Intelligence Community resist greater transparency regarding military UFO encounters. A powerful drive to their resistance is fear and shame. Human psychology is the greatest obstacle to the truth of the UFO phenomenon. But there is a way to circumvent the obstacle.

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    A new article in the UK's Guardian. The content is barely worth reading, but the interesting thing is that it's there.
    ‘Something’s coming’: is America finally ready to take UFOs seriously?

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    CHRIS MELLON USES THE "A" WORD ON National TV....

    "The ALIEN hypothesis fits the facts"

    https://news.yahoo.com/ufo-expert-ch...7-mcAFwIdmscDb

    There, that didn't really hurt too much. Did it, Chris ?

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    Default Re: The UAP Task Force: is this 'disclosure'?

    Regarding Bill's post 473 on S.Greer.

    I generally agree with S. Greer about not incentivizing a threat narrative, but I don't agree that all ET-NH are uniformly peaceful. I also understand the idea of a POTENTIAL threat. Besides, some abductions may be ultimately beneficent, others not, (a 6% was consistently considered rough and mistreating by respondents of the FREE international survey) but should we allow different advanced beings to abduct us, simply trusting them and their intentions to do so? The problem is that S. Greer doesn't tolerate contradictions or nuance, especially regarding the benevolence/malevolence issue and that can also confuse many persons seeking simple answers and guidance.

    I agree with Greer that the UFO issue transcends partisanship.

    I also agree with Greer that more technology than what is revealed has been developed and retro engineered and that some of it might be good for humanity. However, I do not agree that zero-point energy should be available as an open-source to terrorists, mafiosi, dictators, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. It can be weaponized.

    I agree with Greer's position on a peaceful, non-militarized, CE5, diplomatic contact. And maybe it is a good idea to reveal that much more is known about ET-NH and that retro engineer has made advances.

    I agree with Greer that perhaps members of Congress are being misinformed by people that don't know better or deliberately disinformed intentionally. However, I don't think that Elizondo and Mellon would do it intentionally. They may not be privy to the full information details.

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    Who's Lue?

    This film was removed by the CIA… I meant YouTube, within 72 hours.



    Enjoy
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    Quote Posted by holcaul (here)
    Who's Lue?

    This film was removed by the CIA… I meant YouTube, within 72 hours.

    Excellent, and very detailed. The film-maker (Manny from 'Area 503') did a whole huge bunch of diligent research.

    And it's so interesting that this was removed from YouTube... one might speculate that Elizondo himself may have filed some kind of privacy complaint.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    And it's so interesting that this was removed from YouTube... one might speculate that Elizondo himself may have filed some kind of privacy complaint.
    Here's a 6 minute follow-up. (Also on Odysee in case YT removes this as well.) It seems Elizondo didn't appreciate the documentary.

    And it's excellent, btw. A long watch, but one can actually listen to it while multitasking and understand all the questions asked and points made. It's been easy the last couple of years to overlook the many times he's contradicted himself, or given different accounts of different things to different people. All that is brought into view very clearly.

    I agree with the conclusions, but also to add that it seems clear to me that he's also on an intel-directed or intel-approved assignment (however that might have been initiated), in addition to whatever his personal motives might be.


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