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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    there seems to be a bit of progress in moving the ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56547383
    Not much! A quote from the BBC article:
    Although strong tides and winds complicated efforts to free the ship, the tugboats managed to move it 30 degrees in two directions.
    Footage posted on Twitter appeared to show the tugboats honking their horns to celebrate this small victory.
    BBC journalists can't do math. That's a typo... it was 3º, not 30.
    hahaha, thats hillarious....

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    My cousin was a ships captain and I asked him how something like that could possibly happen. His response..

    Quote That was my biggest fear going through there, very clenched buttocks and tight sphincter that whole day. I am doubtful about the gust of wind theory.... that thing is close to 300,000 tonnes and would have been at about 9 knots. I suspect loss of power generation with wheel at unfortunate angle. But black box will reveal all in time. Bloody bad scene!!

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    My cousin was a ships captain and I asked him how something like that could possibly happen. His response..

    Quote That was my biggest fear going through there, very clenched buttocks and tight sphincter that whole day. I am doubtful about the gust of wind theory.... that thing is close to 300,000 tonnes and would have been at about 9 knots. I suspect loss of power generation with wheel at unfortunate angle. But black box will reveal all in time. Bloody bad scene!!
    Thanks Ewan. We always need input from informed sources like that, but it rarely gets seen. Speculation might be fun, but it doesn't often reveal the facts.

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    ... current:


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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    My cousin was a ships captain and I asked him how something like that could possibly happen. His response..

    Quote That was my biggest fear going through there, very clenched buttocks and tight sphincter that whole day. I am doubtful about the gust of wind theory.... that thing is close to 300,000 tonnes and would have been at about 9 knots. I suspect loss of power generation with wheel at unfortunate angle. But black box will reveal all in time. Bloody bad scene!!
    Can you ask your cousin what he makes of the penis and “clenched buttocks” that we are told the ship made prior to entering the canal? If that is true, that adds an element of suspicion to the whole event.

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Would they be able to bring one of the other large container ships, up behind evergreen, secure with anchor, & pull it backwards?

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Lets look at how it happened

    Whoever steared that boat went up the canal until a part of the canal was reached that just had one way of travel. Then he/she took a really good swing to the left, as much as possible. after being as left in the canal as the ship allowed he/she took the rudder full right to ram the ship as much in the right side as possible. Thereby blocking the canal.
    Watch the maneuver in this movie from 0.30 onwards.


    Going left as much as possible and then full right does not seem like powerloss to me, neither does it look like wind.


    By the way here is a live feed of the ships position from FleetMon:


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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Take a look at this video from a channel called 'TheGeoTechEngineer'; sets out some calculations and other technical considerations regarding the ship in the Suez Canal:

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Quote Posted by Mare (here)
    The sheer scale of this vessel is something to behold! Look at the size of that digger in comparison to the man standing next to it. It's almost as big as a house, and yet it looks like a toy Tonka truck. Then look at the size of its anchor compared to the digger and then the man. If you stood it upright it would be over 300ft taller than the Eiffel Tower, and it's laden with 20000 containers weighing approximately 200.000 metric tonnes. Oh and its jammed! Not a simple fix at all surely?
    Nothing is complicated if you know how to do it right. Moving a huge object with tiny ones is foolishness. There are now hundreds of ships waiting to pass. Get some big ones in threr, 5 ships or more tied in series pull that giant ship from below. or maybe 20 tug boats tied in series. why use 1 or 2 when there are so many. yeah its a pretty huge job it will take years.

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    Yeah I see those small boats alongside are not pulling. Its there to prevent the huge ship from being unstuck. See they are trying to pin it in place

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Child trafficking on the Evergreen?
    Referring to post # 20
    Last edited by Dick; 28th March 2021 at 18:06.

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
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    Yeah I see those small boats alongside are not pulling. Its there to prevent the huge ship from being unstuck. See they are trying to pin it in place
    With its current position they dont even need help to get unstack. They only need to use the ships bow and astern truster and its free.



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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Here's a twitter feed that I found interesting this morning....
    https://twitter.com/SuezDiggerGuy

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    One of my favorite photos.



    Quote Posted by Samson (here)
    this could be solved in hours, but you'll need a lot of ropes and cars /trucks
    Maybe not quite so simple!
    they should dig the edge more. the more the bow of the ship gets into the canal bank the more it gets stuck.
    Last edited by Bubu; 28th March 2021 at 23:36.

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Quote Posted by uzn (here)
    Lets look at how it happened

    Whoever steared that boat went up the canal until a part of the canal was reached that just had one way of travel. Then he/she took a really good swing to the left, as much as possible. after being as left in the canal as the ship allowed he/she took the rudder full right to ram the ship as much in the right side as possible. Thereby blocking the canal.
    Watch the maneuver in this movie from 0.30 onwards.


    Going left as much as possible and then full right does not seem like powerloss to me, neither does it look like wind.


    By the way here is a live feed of the ships position from FleetMon:

    I hope thats not the case that would make getting it unstuck a huge time consuming job. Hopefully it just listed lazily into the banks. Time will tell won't it!
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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Quote Posted by uzn (here)
    Lets look at how it happened

    Whoever steared that boat went up the canal until a part of the canal was reached that just had one way of travel. Then he/she took a really good swing to the left, as much as possible. after being as left in the canal as the ship allowed he/she took the rudder full right to ram the ship as much in the right side as possible. Thereby blocking the canal.
    Watch the maneuver in this movie from 0.30 onwards.


    Going left as much as possible and then full right does not seem like powerloss to me, neither does it look like wind.


    By the way here is a live feed of the ships position from FleetMon:

    I hope thats not the case that would make getting it unstuck a huge time consuming job. Hopefully it just listed lazily into the banks. Time will tell won't it!
    That's the perfect maneuver to get the ship stuck as hard as possible. The ship swerve left and right to give the impression of loss of steering control. They should have slow down because the " the bank effect" is much lesser with reduce speed. Now they are digging the bank to insert the bow of the ship further while the small ship on the fore is pushing it further in. If they have to dig a constant pulling must be applied to prevent the bow from going in further. They are doing the opposite. Its a clear sabotage to me.

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    They should dig on the port side because that's the direction to free the ship. Anyways they want it stuck further so they are doing the right thing.


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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    Now they are digging the bank to insert the bow of the ship further while the small ship on the fore is pushing it further in. If they have to dig a constant pulling must be applied to prevent the bow from going in further. They are doing the opposite. Its a clear sabotage to me.
    ... and clearly none of the many teams of global marine salvage experts who have been looking closely at this situation for days have realized that!


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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

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    ... compare the picture in post # 44 withe the current position of the ship in the FleetMon tracking live feed... it has moved away from the gully!

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    Default Re: Chaos in the Suez Canal (Ever Given container ship, March 2021)

    Read somewhere that the lower deck or decks may be filled with livestock lambs and steers with only a few days of food. If this is true one can only imagine the disaster that's happening onboard with this, especially when they pack these sheep so tight they die of heat exhaustion in their travels. Anybody get wind of This?

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