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    Justice With Judge Jeanine -on the border-
    She has just returned from the border to witness the chaos first hand.
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    Wow, that's gone. It was a heck of a powerful rant. This is a shortened version, on Fox's own video page. Recommended.
    It's over here on YouTube, but for how long, who knows:

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    It's over here on YouTube, but for how long, who knows:
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Wow, that's gone. It was a heck of a powerful rant. This is a shortened version, on Fox's own video page. Recommended.
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    Justice With Judge Jeanine -on the border- She has just returned from the border to witness the chaos first hand.
    Fox News vids from knock off YouTube channels are only up for hours. The best sources for non-member clips are found at their YouTube channels:Tintin's vid is from Fox News. The same for Bill's link.

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    Heartbreaking footage, of a Border Patrol's body cam, discovering a crying and scared migrant boy, lost in the desert after being abandoned by his 'group.' The boy asked the US Border Patrol for help and said he was scared of being kidnapped.

    Also….

    SAN DIEGO COUNTY, CA — Border Patrol agents this week rescued two children who had been abandoned along the border near Jacumba in southeastern San Diego County.

    Agents spotted a man and woman walking just south of the border with two children around 3 p.m. Monday, according to the Border Patrol's San Diego-area office. The pair hoisted the children over boulders in an area where the border wall ends at the side of a mountain abutting the boulders.

    Agents found the 6-year-old boy and 5-year-old girl alone and crying, Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jeff Stephenson said.

    The children were taken to a nearby Border Patrol station, where they gave agents a handwritten note that had their mother's name and phone number, Stephenson said. The siblings also had their mom's name and phone numbers written in marker on their forearms.

    Agents contacted the mother for additional information regarding the children. The siblings will be transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services, Stephenson said.

    "It is unconscionable that anyone would abandon these small children and those responsible for smuggling events like this will be aggressively prosecuted," Chief Patrol Agent Aaron Heitke said. "Thankfully, our agents were able to quickly rescue these siblings.”

    To report suspicious activity to the Border Patrol, contact the San Diego Sector at 619-498-9900.

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    'The Five' react to 'disturbing' video of abandoned migrant child (8:46 min)
    Dana: Sadly, that young boy is just one of more than 19,000 unaccompanied migrant children that are in federal custody right now. And Fox News just learning that border patrol has arrested an MS-13 gang member caught trying to sneak into the US. These developments leaving many to ask, ”Where has the Vice President been who was supposed to handle this crisis?”

    Kamala Harris taking heat for traveling all across the country but still not going down to the southern border. The VP making stops on both coasts and to the city of Chicago over the past two weeks but the white house says she has no plans to visit the border.

    Pete: If you have a policy that says don't come now, but if you do come, we will not send the children back, then the children are going to keep coming.

    The only thing worse than bad leadership is no leadership. No one’s responsible for what's happening at the border because it’s a crisis they created by administration that they’re ignoring. They will deny and allow to fester because it's not a priority until it’s politically advantageous because they’ll never let a good crisis go to waste.

    Gregg: I wouldn't be surprised that they didn't say, ”Oh no. He’s crying tears of joy because he's in the United States where there's the lovable President Biden.” And by the way I love how they’re considering ”filling a gap” to reduce the influx, and that is apparently not building a wall, even though a wall essentially fills a gap.

    But this is everything that activists and the Democrats love to do is that they like to play with the terminology. So kids in cages are just in temporary comfort suites. The MSN gang member is actually an asylum seeking pharmaceutical salesman.

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    Many of the families I see crossing my land have small children with them. Some of the men have children with them that I suspect are not their children. They know if they have a child they can use them to get in. No one in government is doing anything. They do not live out here to see what is really happening and what you see on television is only the tip of the iceberg.

    They caught two "terrorists" but many more have crossed, all of us out here have seen them.

    The images of that young man sobbing broke my heart. No child should have to go through that. But I am resolute in keeping them off my land. If a family comes here I will feed them and give them supplies but now that I have upped my security it is harder for them to cross my property. I watch them in the security cameras.

    This country is sinking much faster than I had anticipated. I see no end in sight and I am saddened by it all. Our governor is COMPLETELY USELES.
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    'The Five' react to 'disturbing' video of abandoned migrant child (8:46 min)
    Dana: Sadly, that young boy is just one of more than 19,000 unaccompanied migrant children that are in federal custody right now. And Fox News just learning that border patrol has arrested an MS-13 gang member caught trying to sneak into the US. These developments leaving many to ask, ”Where has the Vice President been who was supposed to handle this crisis?”

    Kamala Harris taking heat for traveling all across the country but still not going down to the southern border. The VP making stops on both coasts and to the city of Chicago over the past two weeks but the white house says she has no plans to visit the border.

    Pete: If you have a policy that says don't come now, but if you do come, we will not send the children back, then the children are going to keep coming.

    The only thing worse than bad leadership is no leadership. No one’s responsible for what's happening at the border because it’s a crisis they created by administration that they’re ignoring. They will deny and allow to fester because it's not a priority until it’s politically advantageous because they’ll never let a good crisis go to waste.

    Gregg: I wouldn't be surprised that they didn't say, ”Oh no. He’s crying tears of joy because he's in the United States where there's the lovable President Biden.” And by the way I love how they’re considering ”filling a gap” to reduce the influx, and that is apparently not building a wall, even though a wall essentially fills a gap.

    But this is everything that activists and the Democrats love to do is that they like to play with the terminology. So kids in cages are just in temporary comfort suites. The MSN gang member is actually an asylum seeking pharmaceutical salesman.

    {snip}
    This is SO DUMB and ill informed of geography! The young boy was not abandoned in the DESERT!!!! RIO GRANDE CITY is one of the four Counties that makes up the luscious RIO GRANDE VALLEY....
    He was abandoned and was walking on road in What appears to be plowed up fields. The fields are layered according to the terrain.
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    Womack Visits Southern Border, Sees Escalating Crisis Firsthand
    April 9, 2021....
    https://womack.house.gov/news/docume...umentID=404372

    "Congressman Steve Womack (AR-3) joined House Republican Whip Steve Scalise (LA-1) and other members in traveling to the southern border to see firsthand the devastating national security, humanitarian, and health crisis President Biden has created with his reckless immigration policies. The congressional delegation visited McAllen, Texas to assess the situation on the ground.

    Congressman Womack said, “This trip has confirmed we have a disaster of unprecedented proportions on our southern border. President Biden’s open border rhetoric and policies have caused this humanitarian and national security crisis. What I saw was heartbreaking and dangerous. I implore the President and Vice President Harris to get down here. They need to see the consequences of their actions and stop the madness.”

    During the trip, members discussed challenges with border patrol agents and participated in an evening ride-along tour with the National Border Patrol Council. They watched at night as migrants, including groups of unaccompanied children, entered the U.S. from rafts on the Rio Grande River and saw processing procedures. They then toured the Donna Migrant Processing Facility, visited gaps in border wall security caused by President Biden’s decision to halt construction, participated in a riverine tour with the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS), and held a press conference.

    The delegation also received operational briefings on challenges to law enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) officials due to the Biden Administration’s policy changes and surging migrant numbers. The agents highlighted national security threats, including drug and weapons smuggling, human trafficking, encounters with previously deported criminals, and apprehensions of terror watch list suspects.

    Illegal border crossings have skyrocketed this year, with more than 172,000 illegal border crossings in March alone—this marks a 400% increase compared to March 2020. CBP is currently encountering more than 5,500 individuals per day at the southwest border, and we’ve already surpassed border encounters from the entirety of FY2020. Facilities are completely overwhelmed, and border patrol agents are being diverted from interior drug checkpoints and regional stations to the Rio Grande Valley.

    Other members on the trip included Republican Leader of the House Administration Committee Rodney Davis (R-IL), Republican Leader of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Michael McCaul (R-TX), Republican Leader of the House Intelligence Committee Devin Nunes (R-CA), Rep. French Hill (R-AR), Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC), Rep. Bob Latta (R-OH), Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY), Rep. Steve Stivers (R-OH), and Rep. Ann Wagner (R-MO).

    Womack is committed to legislatively enacting strong reforms to fully revamp our immigration policies and secure our border. He has previously voted to authorize border wall development and implement comprehensive proposals that would have delivered a working, lawful, and effective immigration system. He also recently called for hearings to examine the ongoing and escalating security and humanitarian crisis at our border. Reforming pieces of our immigration system is pointless unless we stop the flow of illegal entries."
    Much more here: https://womack.house.gov/news/docume...cumentID=40437
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    Quote Earlier on Friday, however, Jacobson had given a round of media interviews, revealing to Reuters that the White House was considering cash payments to residents of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador to address “both the economic reasons people may be migrating, as well as the protection and security reasons.”
    Bad, very bad precedent. It's going to take away from US citizens and start a demand so that every single year it becomes "where's the money! No money we go there!". Just like North Korea does with the humanitarian help. They threaten with nuclear holocaust, then they receive a few million dollars in help and they go silent, once it's gone, they start again with the nuclear threat

    https://www.rt.com/usa/520650-border...cash-payments/


    Quote She couldn’t say how that would work, but said the US government “isn’t going to be handing out money or checks to people.
    So it's going to the government of those countries, the same ones who are so corrupt they will channel it to their own businesses and family/friends and so on, then let the people rot in hope and faith until next year's "allowance", or else they allow them to go invade the US again

    My eyes are going to roll so much i'm going to be able to watch my own back without having to pay bodyguard.... lol
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    Default Re: The migration crisis on the US-Mexico border

    'The Five' torch Biden's plan to send cash payments to Central Americans (5 min)
    The White House is considering a new plan to stop the record surge at the border. Sending migrants cash not to come. The administration weighing and handing out taxpayer dollars to central American countries to stop the flow of illegal immigrants.

    Don’t we send hundreds of millions of dollars to Central American countries and aren’t the politicians down there pocketing it? Would these be direct payments to the bank accounts of people or wire it straight there?

    So Joe Biden has decided to replace the wall with PayPal.

    They literally throwing tax payer money at the problem to go away.

    BTW: we talked about language changes. We’re no longer saying cages or crates. Now it’s shelters and next week it will be luxury boxes.

    If you look at the record of the people who are running the show down there, the former president of Honduras was arrested for trafficking came into the United States. Just in March, there was a former congressman who was sentenced to life in prison for trafficking 185 tons of cocaine into the United States, and also got arrested on firearms charges.

    Last fall, 700 people were arrested in all the northern triangle countries El Salvador, Honduras, all for similar crimes.

    So imagine being a taxpayer who is sending all of the money into the Federal Government who asked for the $1,400 stimulus check, you don’t get it, and you're paying money to the pockets of corrupt regimes like this with nothing in return. Bad deal.

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    Texas Governor To Biden: Bring Back Trump’s Border Policies
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    https://theleoterrell.com/texas-gove...isCbfrDF0MfPHg

    "Texas Governor Greg Abbott has one simple request for president Joe Biden: bring back Trump’s border policies.
    On “Fox News Sunday” Abbott said, “this problem will continue to get worse because of the policies that have been adopted by the Biden administration.”

    “What the president could do is to immediately put back in place the ‘remain in Mexico’ protocols that were established in the prior administration,” said Abbott. Furthermore, “he could continue to build the wall along the border in South Texas. He could send a stronger message that these people should not be coming here.” Essentially, if Biden could be less like Biden and more like Trump we would be much better off.

    Biden campaigned entirely on pandering to open-border advocates and now he is left doing nothing to pick up the pieces. “Remember this, and that is one of the reasons why there are so many people coming here, is if you go back to the Democrat presidential debates, every single one of the Democrat candidates said if they are elected, they will have open borders and they will be giving things for free to anybody coming across the board,” said Abbott.

    Last week the U.S. Customs and Border Protection released numbers showing Border Patrol officers encountered over 172,000 people trying to illegally enter the United States in March alone. That is a 71 percent increase from the month of February. The agency also said 18,890 unaccompanied children were encountered, doubling the number from 9,297 minors in February.

    Abbott added Biden’s actions are “exactly why we’re seeing the flood, and the Biden administration was simply unprepared…which is why they have so haphazardly responded to it…and that’s why we’ve seen the dire consequences for these kids, for the adults, and especially for the state of Texas, and it will only get worse.”

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    Do not believe a word that falls out of Abbotts mouth. He has done nothing and he will do nothing. HE is part of the problem.
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    Biden sued by Texas; DeSantis ditches YouTube
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    NEW: The state of Texas, represented among others by State Attorney General Ken Paxton, are taking legal action against the Biden administration over the effects of the US-Mexico border crisis, plus Florida Governor Ron DeSantis takes a stand against 'Big Tech' after his video content online was silenced. - via National Report with Emma Rechenberg and Shaun Kraisman, weekdays at 9AM ET on Newsmax TV


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    Spike in Illegal Immigration Overwhelms Sheriffs; Families Exposed to Gang, Drug Violence

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    Local law enforcement agencies nationwide are overwhelmed with criminal activity linked to a huge increase in illegal immigration and families are being exposed to violence associated with drug trafficking and transnational gangs, according to hundreds of sheriffs across the United States.

    In a letter to President Joe Biden, the law enforcement officials in more than two dozen states blast the administration’s “reckless and irresponsible” open border policies that are exposing innocent citizens to illegal alien violence. Titled, “Help America’s Sheriffs Keep Our Neighborhoods and Communities Safe by Halting Illegal Immigration,” the document asserts that the crisis began when Biden was vice president.

    “In a myriad of ways, you and your administration are encouraging and sanctioning lawlessness and the victimization of the people of the United States of America, all in the name of mass illegal immigration,” the sheriffs write. “What is most troubling to America’s Sheriffs is that you and your administration were well aware that this crisis would happen when you ceased construction of the border wall and changed border security policies.”

    The law enforcement officials continue: “Sheriffs were talking with the Obama/Biden administration about these same concerns that we were experiencing at the time based on the lax policies then being implemented. In fact, America’s Sheriffs attended meetings in Washington with then-Undersecretary of Homeland Security (DHS) Alejandro Mayorkas, who is now your Secretary of Homeland Security. You and he are fully aware of what illegal immigration does to our citizens, legal residents and our communities.”

    Among the letter’s signatories are sheriffs in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, and Texas to name a few. Even sheriffs, who are typically elected to head county law enforcement agencies, in states that broadly offer illegal immigrants sanctuary signed the letter. They include several in California, Colorado, Massachusetts, Oregon, New Jersey, Illinois, Oregon, and Vermont.

    “You may imagine how violated America’s Sheriffs feel that you unleashed a predictable crisis upon our nation that puts those we promised to protect at risk of grave danger,” the cops write to the commander-in-chief. “America’s Sheriffs will not defy our oaths. We will not join with those who suggest that we ignore existing laws in collusion with those elected officials who arbitrarily feel that they should be excused from being accountable and required to follow our laws. To do so would violate the promise of America’s Sheriffs to those who bestowed upon us the honor and privilege to represent their safety and security concerns.”

    The officials continue by writing that Americans expect them to uphold and enforce the rule of law and assure that they will uphold the oath to do so.

    “In the interests of ending the undermining of our laws and the increased risks to the safety and security of the people of the United States of America, we respectfully request that you immediately reverse course on your pro-illegal immigration policies, resume the border wall construction, and embrace the common-sense, public-safety-supporting border policies of the previous administration.” The Obama and Trump administrations “recognized the threats and dangers presented by illegal immigration,” the law enforcement officials write, adding that it is “critically important” that Biden see it as well.

    The sheriff who wrote the letter, Thomas M. Hodgson in Bristol County, Massachusetts, sent it to his counterparts throughout the U.S. and 275 sheriffs in 39 states quickly signed it. Hodgson authored it after government figures revealed a record number of illegal immigrant minors entered the country from Mexico. Around the same time, the U.S. Border Patrol disclosed that it arrested more than twice as many criminal migrants in the first six months of fiscal year 2021 than it did in all of 2020.

    In the first half of this fiscal year, the Border Patrol apprehended 5,018 “criminal aliens” compared to 2,438 in all of fiscal year 2020. The agency defines criminal aliens as individuals who have been convicted of one or more crimes, whether in the U.S. or abroad, prior to interdiction by federal agents.

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    Default Re: The migration crisis on the US-Mexico border

    The night before last I kept hearing gun fire. It was off in the distance but close enough for me to hear. My neighbors tell me that a couple of ranches over armed men came and tried to take the ranch by force. (A couple of ranches over is a good distance from me). They did not succeed. They were from somewhere south of the open border.

    Now I want one of the people who attacked me on here for defending my property to explain how this is okay please!
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    Quote Posted by Karen (Geophyz) (here)
    Now I want one of the people who attacked me on here for defending my property to explain how this is okay please!
    Yes. Please step forward and raise your hand.

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    https://newswars.com/why-even-bother-border-agents-struggling-with-bidens-disastrous-policies

    “Why Even Bother?” Border Agents Struggling With Biden’s Disastrous Policies

    CBP recording 1,000 migrant got-aways daily



    More than 1,000 illegal aliens are slipping into the United States every day without being captured, according to reports.

    Border agents are becoming discouraged as the historic migrant surge at the southern border continues to worsen, with some even questioning why illegals are being stopped at all.

    “We have so many people coming across, and then we’re out there killing ourselves to catch them, rescue them or whatever it is, and then they’re being released. Why even bother?” one Border Patrol agent told Reuters.

    Immigration officers have reportedly taken to calling President Biden “Let ‘Em Go, Joe.”

    “Some U.S. border patrol agents are so frustrated with President Joe Biden’s more liberal border policies that they are considering early retirement, while other disgruntled colleagues are buying unofficial coins that say ‘U.S. Welcome Patrol,’” the news agency reports.

    Customs and Border Protection (CBP) recently revealed over 178,000 illegal aliens were caught at the southern border in April – the most in a single month in 20 years.

    Over 17,000 of those apprehended were ‘unaccompanied minors’ – down slightly from a one-month record in March.

    Additionally, another 1,000 ‘got-aways’ are entering the U.S. every day, according to Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz.

    ‘Got-aways’ are illegal entrants to the U.S. who are detected by border agents or surveillance but not apprehended.

    “I can confidently say that President Biden owns this crisis,” said National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd. “It is his fault.”

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    Default Re: The migration crisis on the US-Mexico border

    This is not to excuse the behavior of some immigrants, which i actually find they act like rabid animals and i personally think some of them should not even be on the streets, because they don't have respect for anyone but themselves and don't care for the hurting they are causing on their way

    But here's another side, that may also explain a bit why some people have no other choice but to leave their homes and countries, specially when the government is useless or complicit



    It says

    "For second and fifth grade students, there will be no class today. Your teacher was murdered"

    And i guess the other teachers or school administration did that as a way to protest, but it's happening all around central and south America, so there are two sides to it really, hard to figure out a way to solve this problem, sadly

    ETA: Another extra comment

    Speak up about your dead teacher, get murdered too
    Be a pretty 13 year old girl, get taken by the drug cartels, and possibly get murdered, and if your parents get in the way, same thing

    So i can see why some parents will do all the trip to bring their kids to a safer place, then return to home hoping the kids will find a better life than just become a prostitute or die after being raped by 20 random guys from some drug cartel

    I can see both sides, it's a terrible thing what's going on, really
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    Default Re: The migration crisis on the US-Mexico border

    In spain there is this "saying" which may sound a bit racist, maybe it is, but it isn't too far from reality.

    "No todos los moros son criminales, pero todos los criminales son moros."

    (not all muslims are criminals, but all criminals are muslim)

    I got my phone stolen in a concert, and saw the guy who took it (who was arab). When i went to the police, they made me go through pages and pages of mugshots to see if I recognised him.

    They were, 99% arab looking.

    The fact that the situation is so similar in the US with a very different kind of immigrants (culturally specially) makes me think.
    There is a deeper problem in the concept of immigration and insertion thats just not being tackled properly. I don't know if it is cultural, political or economical.

    With this I don't want to look like a neonazi, ​if it helps to save a life (or several, probably) we should be open to it. These people deserve all the humanity theyre not able to find in their homecountries, but unfortunately it doesn't change the facts.

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    Default Re: The migration crisis on the US-Mexico border

    A wild thought impinges upon my mind.

    The West, specifically both US and UK (and Europe) have been in bed with the Middle East (the geographic owners of the oil) for a long time.

    We have seen an apparent destabilising of core European identities through mass immigration in the last few years.

    Now Biden facillitates the same in the US.

    Could it be that the majority of immigrants are mostly of a criminal mindset. I recall a photograph of immigrants on a boat in the Mediteranean which I posted on Avalon at the time, it was supposed to be refugees fleeing the Syrian crisis but it was exclusively young males - 18 - 40 perhaps. There were no women or children to be seen.

    If the **** is set to hit the fan on a pre-determined date it would be a good advance move to have the pushback defeated before it starts - too busy fighting in fractured groups with each other rather than have any actual concerted and organised response.

    What really interests me though, is at what point do the official peacekeepers, Police, then Army, say to themselves... WTF is happening here?

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    A wild thought impinges upon my mind.

    The West, specifically both US and UK (and Europe) have been in bed with the Middle East (the geographic owners of the oil) for a long time.

    We have seen an apparent destabilising of core European identities through mass immigration in the last few years.

    Now Biden facillitates the same in the US.

    Could it be that the majority of immigrants are mostly of a criminal mindset. I recall a photograph of immigrants on a boat in the Mediteranean which I posted on Avalon at the time, it was supposed to be refugees fleeing the Syrian crisis but it was exclusively young males - 18 - 40 perhaps. There were no women or children to be seen.

    If the **** is set to hit the fan on a pre-determined date it would be a good advance move to have the pushback defeated before it starts - too busy fighting in fractured groups with each other rather than have any actual concerted and organised response.

    What really interests me though, is at what point do the official peacekeepers, Police, then Army, say to themselves... WTF is happening here?
    Thinking about it that way, we could say imigration becomes a great resource for the "divide and conquer" (or control, in this case) strategy. What better way to divide population than just adding a whole different people, with cultural values and tradition that directly collide with the lifestyle of a region.

    And then you slowly erode all the ancient cultural traditions and sometimes values, with this false "open mindset" to adapt to these differences. Thats why healthy cultural nationalism is necessary. Its not about supermacism or chauvinism, its about preservation, of not only my own, but everyone's cultural value in the original way.

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