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    Well, the signs were there. Breaking news just now from The Times (c/o Big Brother Watch). It's happened to Israel, now it's steamrolling into the UK.

    Quote Silkie Carlo
    @silkiecarlo (twitter)

    The Times has just broken news that Boris Johnson will make a high level announcement on COVID passes on Monday & further details to be worked out for June...Thumbs down

    In short: they’re going for internal passports, always were, and we’re going to stop them Thumbs up
    Source: twitter post link

    The tweet quotes a Times article linked here

    Quote Posted by The Times
    Ministers are discussing drawing up a list of “essential” places, including hospitals, GP surgeries and supermarkets, where vaccination passports would not be used, as Boris Johnson prepares to announce next week whether they will become a feature of British life.
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    if this happens globally it will be insane.
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    We are reaching a critical tipping point of insanity !!!

    A99.9% survival rate of a cold virus is ushering this in?

    Who the hell is running the world?

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    Chris Whitty says from now on there will be no more lockdowns - and the UK will treat coronavirus like flu (source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...like-flu-says/)

    On April 1st, though, and the jokes on us; neo-normal is not normal - it's a double cross. There's a direct handover from lockdown to vaccine passport (or email/phone number tracking for the non-vaccinated). It's as if they kept lockdown going until they were ready. So far it's going down like a ton of bricks but it is very early days as I write this; anything could happen, after all, look at Israel, and what's been described as a health apartheid. That all happened so quickly.

    We have about 70 MPs launching a campaign to stop internal papers one day after it was 'officially' rumoured (the writing has been on the wall for a while)
    Quote More than 70 MPs launch campaign against vaccine passports
    Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is backing the campaign

    By Nisha Mal
    2 APR 2021
    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...mpaign-5256755

    ...
    The pledge states: “We oppose the divisive and discriminatory use of Covid status certification to deny individuals access to general services, businesses or jobs.”
    ...
    I expect my life to get more and more inconvenient, but not impossible (hopefully). Yet Alex Belfield is defiant; reassuring us that actually it will never happen, because it is unworkable. Well, I will hope for the best, plan for the worst. Wish us luck!!

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    For a year i've been telling people I know this was coming. I have tried to encourage them to stand against it. For the most part they just think i'm an idiot. Sigh.
    I feel that it is time to get out of the uk before it is too late. Where to go?

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    Boris U-turn - NO Passports For Pubs & Restaurants
    By Alex Belfield

    He said the vaccine passport will be used elsewhere but it will not be used in pubs from Monday. This would mean we have won a battle but the war is far from over. I've heard the prime minister is saying vaccine passports will last for just a a year. Temporary measures are a typical political double cross, this one is more easy to spot than others. We're going to have to fight this every step of the way


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    I wouldn't trust Johnson for one second. These need to be stopped completely or we will never get rid of them.

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    Leaked Docs Show UK Government Has Planned For Vaccine Passports All Along

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    TUESDAY, APR 06, 2021 - 03:30 AM
    Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...orts-all-along
    Despite consistently denying it, the UK government has planned for the rollout of vaccine passports all along, prompting charges that the “Covid passes are shrouded in government cover ups, lies and shady contracts.”
    ...

    The article references a tweet by BigBrotherWatch
    Source: (twitter) @BigBrotherWatch

    Big Brother Watch (@BigBrotherWatch)

    5 Apr
    🚨SCOOP: Docs reveal Covid certificates were in advanced stages last year - when Ministers were claiming there were “no plans” for them.

    Covid passes are shrouded in government cover ups, lies and shady contracts...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...since-december
    Report shows government was considering plan months before ministers went public

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    since the vaccines are questionable at best (246 fully vaccinated people just caught covid & 3 died in mich) & all covid strains mutate.... this is obviously just a step in the direction china has already taken (and is now connecting the vaccine pass to your "social credit score" or "citizen score" what ever its calld).

    more draconian Hegelian dialect...
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    I agree. I have been telling people that the lockdowns are about political objectives rather than public health. I get some funny looks so I tell them it's ok if they think I'm as mad as a box of frogs.
    There has been some push back which gives me hope but ultimately I think it will be pushed through no matter how strongly we oppose it. I will be very surprised if we don't have another lockdown that will, in my view, be blamed on the unvaccinated and the dissenters.

    SPI-M-O: Summary of further modelling of easing restrictions – Roadmap Step 2
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-31-march-2021

    Sorry if my posts seem disjointed. I am writing this on my phone which is a little tricky!
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    Quote Posted by Myristyl (here)
    I agree. I have been telling people that the lockdowns are about political objectives rather than public health. I get some funny looks so I tell them it's ok if they think I'm as mad as a box of frogs.
    There has been some push back which gives me hope but ultimately I think it will be pushed through no matter how strongly we oppose it. I will be very surprised if we don't have another lockdown that will, in my view, be blamed on the unvaccinated and the dissenters.

    SPI-M-O: Summary of further modelling of easing restrictions – Roadmap Step 2
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-31-march-2021

    Sorry if my posts seem disjointed. I am writing this on my phone which is a little tricky!
    Thanks

    Here's the direct link to the pdf: https://assets.publishing.service.go...strictions.pdf

    Page 10 throws up an eye-opener, and one worth reading more than once: is this a tacit admission?

    32. The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have
    received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave
    respectively
    . This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age
    groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated
    individuals
    . This is discussed further in paragraphs 55 and 56.


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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by Myristyl (here)
    I agree. I have been telling people that the lockdowns are about political objectives rather than public health. I get some funny looks so I tell them it's ok if they think I'm as mad as a box of frogs.
    There has been some push back which gives me hope but ultimately I think it will be pushed through no matter how strongly we oppose it. I will be very surprised if we don't have another lockdown that will, in my view, be blamed on the unvaccinated and the dissenters.

    SPI-M-O: Summary of further modelling of easing restrictions – Roadmap Step 2
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-31-march-2021

    Sorry if my posts seem disjointed. I am writing this on my phone which is a little tricky!
    Thanks

    Here's the direct link to the pdf: https://assets.publishing.service.go...strictions.pdf

    Page 10 throws up an eye-opener, and one worth reading more than once: is this a tacit admission?

    32. The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have
    received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave
    respectively
    . This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age
    groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated
    individuals
    . This is discussed further in paragraphs 55 and 56.


    Here are paragraphs 55 and 56 as mentioned above:

    Quote Who becomes seriously ill in a resurgence?
    55. Figure 11 illustrates the age and vaccination status of those hospitalised (left) and dying
    (rig t) over time in Warwi ’s entral s enario for t e w ole Roadmap (equivalent to igure
    4). The top plots are absolute numbers and the bottom plots are as a proportion of those
    admitted or dying.
    56. This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in
    people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection
    waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake
    has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds).
    There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x
    10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected
    against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake
    being so high.

    I think they're saying that it's simply that they've vaccinated so many of the high risk / older categories that it's inevitable that those who die in Autumn / Winter are likely to have had both doses of the vaccines.

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    Gove u-turned over this, Boris u-turned over this. Then something I respected from an SMP that - I'm afraid to admit, I do not like or respect - but he said something I respected hugely: Ian Blackford:

    @Ianblackford_MP
    The UK government hasn't published any firm proposals on covid certificates, and the Tory position has been mired in confusion and contradiction.

    On the basis of the information available, SNP MPs would not support Tory plans due to serious concerns over ethics.


    --------=====+##@#+=------


    Yet at the same time we have this from that rag, the telegraph saying this:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ports-england/

    Exclusive: SNP open to voting for Covid passports in England
    Party's Westminster leader considers backing status checks in move that would derail growing Commons rebellion
    Ben Riley-Smith, POLITICAL EDITOR and Harry Yorke, WHITEHALL EDITOR
    6 April 2021 • 9:30pm


    The SNP's Westminster leader has opened the door to voting for Covid status checks in England – likely to all but guarantee Commons support for the move despite a growing Tory rebellion.


    ...
    So who knows. Certainly chaos, possibly a u-turn but I'm holding out hope that I respect Blackford in the end. Yes that's right, it's come to this

    The effect is so uniform across the world, I currently believe we are in the middle of a globalist coup attempt. The smoking gun for me was the sudden, blatant, and numerous u-turns listed at the start of this post. They're just the ones in front of me. If there's anything to this, I can guess what the carrot might be, but I bet they're under quite a stick

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    Quote Posted by Journeyman (here)
    I think they're saying that it's simply that they've vaccinated so many of the high risk / older categories that it's inevitable that those who die in Autumn / Winter are likely to have had both doses of the vaccines.
    I think that they are giving themselves some plausible deniability. This line is particularly disturbing "Immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals". It's as if they are saying that you will be sicker with the vaccine than without. It's not entirely clear, at least to me and a bit of a kick in the teeth to all those people who have risked the jabs because they were told they are 'safe and effective'.
    I am very sceptical of the figures reported for vaccine uptake. Maybe it's wishful thinking but every time I have passed a vaccine center it always looks deserted.

    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    The effect is so uniform across the world, I currently believe we are in the middle of a globalist coup attempt. The smoking gun for me was the sudden, blatant, and numerous u-turns listed at the start of this post. They're just the ones in front of me. If there's anything to this, I can guess what the carrot might be, but I bet they're under quite a stick
    For me the time has passed where I feel I have to demonstrate that something is amiss, that there is another agenda lurking behind the scenes. It's almost as if there is a conspiracy checklist and government is ticking each item off one by one just to wind us all up.

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    Quote Posted by Myristyl (here)
    For a year i've been telling people I know this was coming. I have tried to encourage them to stand against it. For the most part they just think i'm an idiot. Sigh.
    I feel that it is time to get out of the uk before it is too late. Where to go?
    Many of us feel the same way. I even put together the nightingale plan in February. Then heard De Beors had already started buying morgues ad the such well before the plan was announced. And before lockdown. So yeah first hand experience that this was a set up from the start, do people listen ? No. But then people should be able to trust others in this sort of thing. Unfortunately they can’t.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    since the vaccines are questionable at best (246 fully vaccinated people just caught covid & 3 died in mich) & all covid strains mutate.... this is obviously just a step in the direction china has already taken (and is now connecting the vaccine pass to your "social credit score" or "citizen score" what ever its calld).

    more draconian Hegelian dialect...
    Yes - David Icke has described the ongoing process as the 'totalitarian tiptoe'.... as we are gradually lead into the global surveillance and social control system --- step by step---- so no one notices until it's too late...

    Paul Joseph Watson lays it out in this video...

    The Truth About 'Vaccine Passports'

    Social credit score via the back door?



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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Gove u-turned over this, Boris u-turned over this. Then something I respected from an SMP that - I'm afraid to admit, I do not like or respect - but he said something I respected hugely: Ian Blackford:

    @Ianblackford_MP
    The UK government hasn't published any firm proposals on covid certificates, and the Tory position has been mired in confusion and contradiction.

    On the basis of the information available, SNP MPs would not support Tory plans due to serious concerns over ethics.


    --------=====+##@#+=------


    Yet at the same time we have this from that rag, the telegraph saying this:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ports-england/

    Exclusive: SNP open to voting for Covid passports in England
    Party's Westminster leader considers backing status checks in move that would derail growing Commons rebellion
    Ben Riley-Smith, POLITICAL EDITOR and Harry Yorke, WHITEHALL EDITOR
    6 April 2021 • 9:30pm


    The SNP's Westminster leader has opened the door to voting for Covid status checks in England – likely to all but guarantee Commons support for the move despite a growing Tory rebellion.


    ...
    So who knows. Certainly chaos, possibly a u-turn but I'm holding out hope that I respect Blackford in the end. Yes that's right, it's come to this

    The effect is so uniform across the world, I currently believe we are in the middle of a globalist coup attempt. The smoking gun for me was the sudden, blatant, and numerous u-turns listed at the start of this post. They're just the ones in front of me. If there's anything to this, I can guess what the carrot might be, but I bet they're under quite a stick

    looks like they are going to try and replace the Vaccine Passport with the NHS App....?

    Alex Belfield talks about Boris continually moving the goal posts ....

    Like Alex's mom, dad and sister.... I don't have an Iphone and don't want one...

    The Public are being put through psychological abuse day after day...being tricked into giving up the freedoms that we took for granted just a year ago...




    So now they are going to try to use the NHS (aka the NHS App) to take the next step towards the Global Totalitarian Dictatorship .......

    Where the People are enslaved but the Elite just carry on with their freedom as normal...

    What's new?... we might ask.... but for a few decades the People, Citizens, the General Public have tasted a level of freedom hitherto unknown but now it is being taken away again... that little experiment with democracy didn't last long ...

    Will the Elite get their way ? We are at the tipping point and it could go either way but in all honesty it isn't looking good at the moment - they might ease off a bit to head off serious revolt but then move the goalposts again -

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    Quote Posted by Myristyl (here)
    I wouldn't trust Johnson for one second. These need to be stopped completely or we will never get rid of them.

    Boris Johnson took us over the finishing line for Brexit.... but he has now shown himself to be a Globalist Mole... like all the other World Leaders that seem to be following an Agenda that the General Public are not privy to..

    Have 'they' got something on him or are all these Leaders being cleverly coerced behind the scenes..?.... even to the point of being threatened...

    Labour might do well in the next election if they promise to maintain Brexit and not have another referendum on it.... if they take a stand against Mandatory / coerced vaccination - vaccine passports or NHS App to access everything - they have a chance now to be a real opposition to the present Tory Government - I think Keir Starmer (Labour Party Leader) has made remarks about vaccine passports being 'un British' something like that...

    But will anyone - ANYONE - in the higher levels of politics be allowed to get in the way of the Global Totalitarian Dictatorship...?

    The Conservative Party are in the driving seat as the Economy and Society is being brought to it's knees and the country destroyed...

    Do they really want this to be their legacy...?

    My guess is ... no they don't... and behind the scenes I expect there are power struggles raging...

    We voted Johnson in to get Brexit done..... now he betrays us by embracing the Scamdemic -

    grrrrrrr
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    I hear you jaybee. It's a s*£tshow in politics right now, more than normal. 'Sir' Keir Hindsight doesn't strike me as grass roots against the globalists. But what to do? Like you said about the Tories, with Boris... the quality of his double crossing has dropped... getting to a new low. He's not the only one, Gove used to be very anti digital id too, as well as Boris. What on earth has caused so many u-turns, so drastically, and probably, I suspect the same picture round the world? Not an actual question because everyone reading this, here on this forum, and their dog can put some vague pieces together and get a sense of something wrong. Dammed if I'm going to sign up to any such thing. Expecting inconvenience though. Gonna be a pain in the ass 🤬

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    Putting the creep into creeping scope. Scope creep is a term used in a software project management context to mean an undesirable, surprise extra set of expectations of the software being built/enhanced. Here the scope creep is political, like a bait and switch confidence trick; ... sign up for one thing, it turns into centralised, global digital id tracking.

    Hancock tries to sneak through update to Tracing app that could track your Location
    BY THE DAILY EXPOSE ON APRIL 12, 2021

    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/12...your-location/

    Matt Hancock has tried to sneak in an update to the NHS Test and Trace app which would allow it to know your location at all times but luckily it has been blocked by both Apple and Google due to breaking their terms and conditions.

    Under the terms that all health authorities signed up to in order to be permitted to use Apple and Google’s privacy-centric contact-tracing tech, they had to agree not to collect any location data via the software. But Hancock and his team wanted to add an update which allowed users to upload logs of venue check-ins if they tested positive for the virus.


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