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    I agree, it is all about the timing. I can accept two or three coincidences but it's way beyond that now.

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    I thought we were meant to judge the government not the other way round. More anti-social policies from the UK government, all too fast. France seem slightly ahead of us, waiting to see what happens there


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    Johnson plans to introduce an app that records shopping history and rewards points for foods bought in supermarkets that are healthy. Social credit system begins in UK. Heard this on GB News.
    The guy who is fat as **** doing something like that? That's funny if true.

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    What a load of Bollocks...

    The UK Government haven't got a leg to stand on... They just think they can steam roll over all of us and bring into power without any of the relevant documents a new law and make use all believe we must all aquiese into what they are telling us...

    I don't disagree in that this is there narrative... BUT they are on very slim territory with the way in which they wish to impose this preposterous rule!

    SAY NO folks, you've drawn a line in the 'sand' and don't let those evil psychopaths persuade you, that you will move your line!
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    Gove showing himself to be a fully paid up member of the Fascist Wing of the Conservative Party / Govt. or showing himself to be a dangerous halfwit... one of the two....

    How selfish of people not to trust the MSM and the Govt. and to refuse an EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccine' with no long term data about safety issues..

    How selfish not to want to play Russian Roulette with our lives and futures... over a virus that has a 99 + % survival rate and if treatments were promoted like ivermectin that figure could be nearer 100%...

    FFS



    Michael Gove brands those who refuse vaccine 'selfish'
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    It's almost as if they have all been 'body snatched'. At this point that makes as much sense as the deranged policies coming from government. It's almost as if they want us to despise them.
    Johnson apparently wants to create a social credit system where good behaviour is rewarded with virtue points. It is getting increasingly surreal and dangerous.

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    Well, the signs were there. Breaking news just now from The Times (c/o Big Brother Watch). It's happened to Israel, now it's steamrolling into the UK.

    Quote Silkie Carlo
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    The Times has just broken news that Boris Johnson will make a high level announcement on COVID passes on Monday & further details to be worked out for June...Thumbs down

    In short: they’re going for internal passports, always were, and we’re going to stop them Thumbs up
    Source: twitter post link

    The tweet quotes a Times article linked here

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    Ministers are discussing drawing up a list of “essential” places, including hospitals, GP surgeries and supermarkets, where vaccination passports would not be used, as Boris Johnson prepares to announce next week whether they will become a feature of British life.
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    About three months from this to now, where vaccination passports have been rolled into Italy, France and Greece and the UK to a lesser extent. UK politicians are renowned for u-turning at the last moment, then betraying us, so I expect it to steamroll into the UK as it has to our neighbours. Most UK MPs go along with the twisted truth that covid is the biggest threat to life since Spanish Flu but actually covid mortality as we know is low. I will be raw and say I see no reason to believe MPs will start making sense, and I don't believe things will get better.

    The problem is the middle ground, between people who see through the lies, and people who will NEVER see through them ...that middle ground have had a barrage of propaganda thrown at them, and little chance to see or hear a counter-narratives.

    One friend, who sees through the lies, is more frantic, spelling out he thinks we have four weeks until they are vaccinating kids underneath us (probably advertised into vaccinations, rather than forced into), and if this is alarming I'm sorry because it is not pleasant to think about. No amount of anger will help win over that middle ground though. And if the huge middle ground between us and die-hards that want zero covid, ...if that middle-ground have more doubts about their source, then we auto-win.

    But any anger reaction would instantly alienate us from the middle ground. This is unfortunate because the rate of oppression is provoking a naturally occurring violent reaction. Also, regarding reaching the middle ground ... well, half our calm, non-angry messages are well beyond the reach of blue-pilled middle-grounders. Things like Icke, 5G, Coleman, Bill Gates... those do not win the hearts and minds of the middle ground. Going on about the clot-shot doesn't help, because like it or not people don't want to believe a tainted future, so they choose not to, and don't. Covid survival statistics seems ok, because it reference de facto information, it's blue-pill friendly.

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    "The British public has not even begun to understand the seriousness of what is happening in our country, many perhaps most of them don't care, or won't care until it's too late. They instinctively feel that the end justifu the means, the moto of every totalitarian regime that ever existed"
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    It's for real, for now. Listen carefully...

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    I believe it's socially aware satire

    https://www.youtube.com/user/spiritu...rtainer/videos

    But it's a little too close to home, with movement papers enforced in France and other parts of Europe. I don't see the funny side this time, and I got triggered by it (earlier though, before it was posted here). I bit my sisters' heads off when one said why don't I just get vaccinated. I got very upset and lost my temper; it's almost unheard for me to lose my temper with one sister, and there's been a long peace-time with the other although we've had our moments. My brother told me to buckle-up because the challenges will get harder, so he said some words to help me see my fail of patience. I had at least alerted him to some issues, and he said I have to do that now. Bitter-sweet with very little sweet. Sorry I digress.. I actually made a thread for this kind of thing.

    So good times, it's fake, but not funny that the unofficial experiment satire worked, firstly to actually make people move down the carriage, and secondly to trigger me

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    I believe it's socially aware satire

    https://www.youtube.com/user/spiritu...rtainer/videos

    But it's a little too close to home, with movement papers enforced in France and other parts of Europe. I don't see the funny side this time, and I got triggered by it (earlier though, before it was posted here). I bit my sisters' heads off when one said why don't I just get vaccinated. I got very upset and lost my temper; it's almost unheard for me to lose my temper with one sister, and there's been a long peace-time with the other although we've had our moments. My brother told me to buckle-up because the challenges will get harder, so he said some words to help me see my fail of patience. I had at least alerted him to some issues, and he said I have to do that now. Bitter-sweet with very little sweet. Sorry I digress.. I actually made a thread for this kind of thing.

    So good times, it's fake, but not funny that the unofficial experiment satire worked, firstly to actually make people move down the carriage, and secondly to trigger me
    Ah, okay, re the satire. It was very well done and had me convinced.

    100 percent with your takeaway from this as well by the way - a useful temperature test, for sure.
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    I wrote to my MP on July 13th and was pleasantly surprised to find he'd kindly responded earlier today.

    It is very well worth making the time to do this - hopefully all our UK members (and guests) may feel inclined the same way and act.

    Correspondences, below:

    ________________________
    Dear David

    I do hope my message finds you well and thank you for everything you are continuing to do in support of the local community. The physician on this blog post is mirroring many of the same concerns that I have and although addressed to some of your colleagues in government I did think it appropriate for you also to see this. It is written as an open letter:

    https://tcp.art.blog/2021/07/06/covi...o-the-rubicon/

    Colleagues on both sides of the House should I hope be similarly concerned. My very best wishes [redacted]
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    Dear [redacted],

    It’s good to hear from you and many thanks for getting in touch on this issue.

    The efficiency of our vaccine program has been exceptional, and vaccines are undoubtedly the very best way out of this pandemic. Of course, the receipt of a vaccine is a matter of personal choice, and for this reason I oppose the idea of vaccine passports for domestic use.

    I do not believe that vaccine passports offer either the safest or most appropriate way forward. Equality under the law is an indivisible principle which underpins our way of life – and any attempt to apportion the freedoms which we all (rightly) take for granted according to the receipt of a vaccination sets, I believe, a dangerous precedent. It is one thing to set a requirement for employment working with extremely vulnerable individuals, but it is quite another to place blanket limitations on groups of people which impact upon their lifestyle and private life.

    I am happy we have now transitioned into Step 4 of the roadmap and I was delighted to see nightclubs and other social settings being able to reopen in England. I thank those in Somerset who have played such a vital role in the rapidity of our vaccine rollout. The rollout brings the prospect of a return to normality, the re-opening of the economy and the chance for all of us to regain the liberties which we’ve temporarily relinquished. I certainly don’t think we should see the right to resume our domestic, individual freedoms as contingent on the basis of receiving a vaccination.

    With my very best wishes,
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    Together initiative - a declaration against the imposition of domestic digital ids for the UK, which I have signed and acknowledged on Twitter with the disclaimer that I signed as an individual but the forum endorses its message and intent. I'm highlighting it to all members and guests on the forum. If any of the rest of us Brit based folks want to add their name you can do this here:

    https://togetherdeclaration.org/

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    The Declaration
    We the undersigned reject vaccine passports or any similar form of medical certification in the United Kingdom and invite you to add your voice to ours by signing this open letter.

    Together, we represent more than 100 organisations, business groups, campaigners and professionals who have come together because we are gravely concerned about where the introduction of vaccine passports could lead.

    In the UK, we enjoy many hard-won liberties and rights, all fought for and defended by our ancestors. These rights are not only fundamental to our understanding of democracy, they are rights we believe all humans should have.

    Some of us are lucky enough to have been born with these rights, but others have experienced the perils of segregation, suppression, and surveillance first hand.

    However with vaccine passports in the picture and digital IDs under consideration, some of our hard-won rights are now under serious threat.

    We have already come together and made incredible sacrifices throughout the Covid-19 crisis. What began with ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’ turned into months of isolation with millions missing out on medical treatment, children deprived of education, businesses and livelihoods lost, families unable to visit elderly loved ones, and weddings, funerals, and social gatherings restricted or cancelled.

    The glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel — ‘15 million jabs to freedom’ to protect the most vulnerable — soon faded as the goalposts kept on moving. When ‘freedom day’ finally arrived, the accompanying announcement of vaccine passports meant the prospect of returning to ‘normal' had once again slipped away.

    We are human. We know this makes us seek safety above everything else. We seek it for ourselves, we seek to protect those we love, and we strive for a safe world for our children — and sometimes rules and restrictions can help us to feel safer.

    But we also know life is about balance and catching ourselves when we go too far in response to our own fear.

    Being ordered to produce medical certification at pubs, clubs, theatres, on public transport, at schools, universities, or anywhere else, is unwarranted and risks deepening the inequalities already present within our society.

    Today it could be a vaccine passport to enter a pub, but what could it be tomorrow?

    We can already see from where these measures have been introduced elsewhere in the world that they lead to many a free society would wish to avoid. Among the consequences are segregation, suppression and surveillance, being unable to dine together, long queues to enter venues, children barred from taking exams or socialising, and the nightmare scenario of being denied access to healthcare

    We want a free, fair and open society for ourselves, our friends and our families. We want to eat, work, dance, and pray together. We want our children to be able to play, learn and grow together.

    This is therefore the moment when we must catch ourselves, when we recognise we are going too far by requiring medical certification just to participate in normal life.

    Now it is our turn to protect the freedoms our forebears sacrificed so much to protect — for ourselves, for our children and for our communities. Now is the time to say ‘no’ to any mandate requiring permission to participate in everyday life.

    If you agree that now is the time to work together to help keep each other safe whilst also safeguarding our democracy and normality, then this is your opportunity to make your voice heard.

    Please join us by signing below and let's send the message loud and clear: No Vaccine Passports Anywhere.

    We can change this, together.
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    The efficiency of our vaccine program has been exceptional, and vaccines are undoubtedly the very best way out of this pandemic. Of course, the receipt of a vaccine is a matter of personal choice, and for this reason I oppose the idea of vaccine passports for domestic use.
    ...
    I found the same with my MP. He talked as if the general threat from covid was far worse than it is. And while they think that, we're in trouble - other lies and tyranny stem from that. I sent my MP ONS figures and asked him to find them himself. Then I explained that despite the unfamously low mortality, there is a cure for covid, which had shown such amazing results it warranted official trials. But the HCQ trials were only cancelled because of a damming report by the Lancet. But since they retracted that report, over a year ago because the figures were made up, HCQ can continue trials. That is, if my MP cares about covid mortality? I don't know if he's genuinely ignorant or if he's aware he's living a lie. He voted for all tyrannical measures in line with the whip so he's as useless as the rest either way

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
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    The efficiency of our vaccine program has been exceptional, and vaccines are undoubtedly the very best way out of this pandemic. Of course, the receipt of a vaccine is a matter of personal choice, and for this reason I oppose the idea of vaccine passports for domestic use.
    ...
    I found the same with my MP. He talked as if the general threat from covid was far worse than it is. And while they think that, we're in trouble - other lies and tyranny stem from that. I sent my MP ONS figures and asked him to find them himself. Then I explained that despite the unfamously low mortality, there is a cure for covid, which had shown such amazing results it warranted official trials. But the HCQ trials were only cancelled because of a damming report by the Lancet. But since they retracted that report, over a year ago because the figures were made up, HCQ can continue trials. That is, if my MP cares about covid mortality? I don't know if he's genuinely ignorant or if he's aware he's living a lie. He voted for all tyrannical measures in line with the whip so he's as useless as the rest either way
    Yep, they all lie with silver tongues. Telling you what you want to hear but toeing whatever line they are directed to.

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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
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    The efficiency of our vaccine program has been exceptional, and vaccines are undoubtedly the very best way out of this pandemic. Of course, the receipt of a vaccine is a matter of personal choice, and for this reason I oppose the idea of vaccine passports for domestic use.
    ...
    I found the same with my MP. He talked as if the general threat from covid was far worse than it is. And while they think that, we're in trouble - other lies and tyranny stem from that. I sent my MP ONS figures and asked him to find them himself. Then I explained that despite the unfamously low mortality, there is a cure for covid, which had shown such amazing results it warranted official trials. But the HCQ trials were only cancelled because of a damming report by the Lancet. But since they retracted that report, over a year ago because the figures were made up, HCQ can continue trials. That is, if my MP cares about covid mortality? I don't know if he's genuinely ignorant or if he's aware he's living a lie. He voted for all tyrannical measures in line with the whip so he's as useless as the rest either way
    Yep, they all lie with silver tongues. Telling you what you want to hear but toeing whatever line they are directed to.
    Well, I definitely do concur with you both here. My MP's track record has thus far been pretty solid except for one glaring blooper - voting for mandatory injections for care home workers

    He's an intelligent man with a music and business background and is apparently a Mensa member, so can articulate very well any reasoning behind choices he makes. How much coercion is applied by the whip is a sticking point of course - there'll be pressure, that's for sure.

    I would and do disagree with what looks clearly like he's swallowed the blue pill party narrative concerning 'vaccines'. It is very far from a success, at least from an anti-eugenicist's viewpoint.

    Patrick Henningsen (21st Century Wire and UK Column) tweeted recently that a 'former friend' who is a GP has alone made north of 100K from the injection frenzy. Whither medical ethics? As with many professions there's a tendency to groupthink of course; a perceived unanimity.

    The same happens in party politics, as we know.
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)

    The Declaration
    [INDENT]We the undersigned
    I don't think this declaration will have any impact at all. I get it and totally understand it, and fully endorse every word of course. Except that it doesn't mention or even broach the KEY reason, pretty much the only reason, why the vaccine is BS in the first place, and which is why - I assume - most of us don't want it. And that's simply 1), because it doesn't work like an actual "vaccine" 2) has demonstrated adverse (some lethal) short term effects in some, and 3) has completely unknown long term effects because its untested.

    In my view it isn't a vaccine because it doesn't provide immunity, and doesn't prevent transmission.

    It's also for a virus that has a ~99% survival rate.

    These are the reasons why a vaccine should not for any sane reason be mandatory - but by introducing passports they're making it mandatory. And that's the con. It doesn't mention this either.

    The declaration doesn't tackle the important issues which, against the fear-based rhetoric of the general masses, makes it near impossible to argue for.

    If this virus was something out of 'World War Z', or 'I am Legend', and the vaccine for it actually worked by providing immunity and preventing the spread, I'd be queuing up for it, and signing the petition for vaccine passports ASAP. All day long.

    Yes, covid is a nasty virus, but it is not a super-deadly one. When the vaccine for it isn't technically a vaccine, a vaccine passport makes NO SENSE!

    Trying to point out that such a passport will prevent unvaccinated people going "to the pub anymore" is extremely weak. I'm afraid it will not turn a single head that has been manipulated into believing it is the cure for the new Black Death.

    How can we argue the value of my freedom and your freedom to people who are perfectly willing to give up their OWN freedom for a lie?
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    No big surprise here (yet again).

    The same in the opening post as it is now; a clear, tenacious vector towards digital id, nothing has changed.
    COVID-19 Vaccine Passports Will Be Imposed on UK This Month: Minister
    BY JACK PHILLIPS September 6, 2021 Updated: September 6, 2021

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_br...r_3983627.html


    The UK government will proceed with plans to mandate COVID-19 vaccine passports for nightclubs and large venues, the country’s vaccines ministry confirmed on Sept. 5.

    While UK vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi previously stated that the country wouldn’t impose vaccine passports, he said in an interview with the BBC that the government would seek to impose the system by the end of September. The government may shut down businesses in the future if passports aren’t mandated for certain venues, he said.

    “When the evidence that you are presented is so clear cut and that we want to make sure the industry doesn’t have to go through [an]open-shut, open-shut sort of strategy, then the right thing to do is to introduce that by the end of September, when all over-18-year-olds have had their two jabs,” Zahawi told the BBC. “One thing that we have learned is that in large gatherings of people, especially indoors, the virus tends to spike and spread.”

    In January, Zahawi wrote on Twitter that the UK government has “no plans to introduce vaccine passports” and later said that such passports would be discriminatory. When questioned on Twitter in January, “Can we hold you to this?,” Zahawi replied, “Yes you can.”

    Regarding vaccines, the UK does “them by consent. We yet don’t know what impact of vaccines on the transmission is, and it would be discriminatory,” he said in February during a BBC interview.

    ...


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    I got an campaign email from Silkie Carlo at Big Brother Watch. Silkie urges us to contact our MP with a provided template, and spread this round like it's sars - not her words.

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    In case they weren't getting the message... we've taken it right to them.

    The Government came back to Westminster today vowing to introduce mandatory vaccine passes for nightclubs, festivals, conferences and other large events.

    Shockingly, the Scottish Government has announced the same.

    We wanted to give them the welcome they deserve - and remind them we will not accept a two-tier society, we will not accept exclusion or checkpoints, and we will not accept Covid IDs!

    TAKE ACTION
    A vote in Westminster on mandatory vaccine passes in England is expected in the next fortnight.

    The Scottish Government is set to call a vote on vaccine passes this week.

    The time to act is NOW.


    EMAIL YOUR MP


    Use our quick and easy email template tool to email your MP today.

    If you're in Scotland, use our template to email your MSP.

    We don't have long - please urge your representative to oppose discriminatory Covid passes today!


    SHARE THIS ACTION

    Importantly, please share the email your MP link far and wide.

    You'll find share buttons under the email tool on our campaign page, stopvaccinepassports.co.uk


    THANK YOU
    We've been able to take this urgent action tonight thanks to your incredible support in recent months. Please keep it up! The more support you give us, the more we can do and the bigger impact we'll have.

    Thank you for taking action at this critical time.

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    Separate thread yes, but is warranted.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...nson-5g2fdb2zn

    So now it's clear, it's just a coercive measure to get vaccination rates up and the UK has been gaslighted.

    France/Aussie low = dystopia.

    Absolute criminal b******

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