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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    That's from Ukrainian Pravda (not the Russian site of the same name), and so any news reported of any kind will always be filtered through the Ukrainian lens. (That's a nice way of saying that it'll all be Ukrainian anti-Russian and anti-Belarusian propaganda, some of which may well be invented. ) And even when they report something that occurred, the headline will often be editorially skewed.

    I read the Pravda article, and it goes on to say the 'offer' was really a joke. Here's an extract:
    Quote from Takayev: "Alexander Lukashenko, President of the Republic of Belarus, has recently proposed that Kazakhstan join the Union State. I appreciate his joke. I think there is no need [for Kazakhstan] to do so, as there are other integration associations – first and foremost, the Eurasian Economic Union.
    This is the website of the President of Kazakhstan, Pravda's stated (unlinked) source for the article:
    That is one of the major problems with information coming out about this war, everything is filtered and slanted. It makes no difference if the sites are Russian, Ukrainian, American, or European. Everybody has an agenda. Even videos are edited to push propaganda that is completely false. Also, there is so much propaganda and this thread moves so fast that it is hard to verify any information. The only real way (it seems to me) is to let the situation mature, time has a way of bringing truth to the surface. What is that old Mark Twain saying................"a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth even puts on its shoes." Unfortunately, most people have chosen sides in war (especially this war) so by the time the truth comes out either they dismiss it or they don't care.
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    That's from Ukrainian Pravda (not the Russian site of the same name), and so any news reported of any kind will always be filtered through the Ukrainian lens. (That's a nice way of saying that it'll all be Ukrainian anti-Russian and anti-Belarusian propaganda, some of which may well be invented. ) And even when they report something that occurred, the headline will often be editorially skewed.

    I read the Pravda article, and it goes on to say the 'offer' was really a joke. Here's an extract:
    Quote from Takayev: "Alexander Lukashenko, President of the Republic of Belarus, has recently proposed that Kazakhstan join the Union State. I appreciate his joke. I think there is no need [for Kazakhstan] to do so, as there are other integration associations – first and foremost, the Eurasian Economic Union.
    This is the website of the President of Kazakhstan, Pravda's stated (unlinked) source for the article:
    That is one of the major problems with information coming out about this war, everything is filtered and slanted. It makes no difference if the sites are Russian, Ukrainian, American, or European. Everybody has an agenda. Even videos are edited to push propaganda that is completely false. Also, there is so much propaganda and this thread moves so fast that it is hard to verify any information. The only real way (it seems to me) is to let the situation mature, time has a way of bringing truth to the surface. What is that old Mark Twain saying................"a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth even puts on its shoes." Unfortunately, most people have chosen sides in war (especially this war) so by the time the truth comes out either they dismiss it or they don't care.
    I agree with most of that!

    What I would point out, if I may, is that most objective observers of all this complexity note that the Russians are really bad at the propaganda war. Many if not all of them have pointed out (for instance) that the Russian Ministry of Defense rarely if ever deliberately misrepresents anything (i.e. distorts or lies), but it does omit things sometimes.

    I do think that many readers here, yourself included, would agree that the same cannot be said for the media in the US, UK, EU and definitely not that of Ukraine, which lies frequently and brazenly.

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    Russia ‘Smashing’ 330 Ukrainian UAVs Per Day; UK Report Says Russian Electronic Warfare ‘Wreaks Havoc’ On Kyiv
    May 24, 2023
    Researchers have revealed new Russian Electronic Warfare (EW) systems and capabilities that have been devastating for Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and encrypted radio communications in an alarmingly short period.

    A report by the United Kingdom (UK)-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) notes how Moscow’s EW has consistently remained effective and brought down nearly 10,000 Ukrainian drones a month which is approximately 333 drones per day.

    Like its ‘echeloned’ air defense, with progressively overlapping short, medium, and long-range surface-to-air (SAM) systems, Russian ground forces have adequately distributed EW platforms covering every 10 kilometers of the front.

    Russian Lead In Electronic Warfare

    Previous analyses by EurAsian Times last year had noted how Russia led in EW, having prepared in the technology since the war in Syria in 2015 and the annexation of Crimea a year before.

    Subsequent reports in leading Western press further revealed the extent of the success of Russian EW that harrowed Ukrainian operations, with the most diverse range of systems for tackling everything from drones, communications, satellite navigation signals, and satellites.

    The war has passed a year and is expected to continue for a few more months, with the US-led North Atlantic Treaty Organization Alliance (NATO) alliance continuing to arm Ukraine. Russia, meanwhile, is making the final push to capture small remaining pockets of territory in the south and east of Ukraine.

    A New Russian Counter-Drone System

    Russia’s Krasukha-2, Krasukha-4, RB-341V LEER-3, R-330Zh Zhitel, Murmansk-BN, and Moskva-1 are some of the known EW platforms, performing radio, communications, radar satellite navigation signal jamming of various frequencies and bands, along with Electronic Support (ES) and Electronic Attack (EA) roles.

    The EurAsian Times had also reported how the 14Ts227 Tobol EW system disrupted the “synchronization” of the Starlink satellite internet service with its ground terminals.

    But the RUSI study also revealed one EW jammer, the Shipovnik-Aero, responsible for bringing down many Ukrainian UAVs. “The Shipovnik-Aero is proving a particularly effective system because it has a low signature and can further obfuscate this by imitating other emitters and communications devices.

    “It also has a sophisticated range of effects for downing UAVs. The Russian military continues extensively using navigational interference in the battle area as electronic protection. This is contributing to a Ukrainian loss rate in UAVs of approximately 10,000 per month,” said the RUSI study by Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds.

    The study added that the Russian EW platforms are “heavily weighted towards the defeat of UAVs and tend not to try and deconflict their effects.” It can be assumed that by “deconflict,” the authors mean Russian units do not immediately capitalize on the loss of such a system by attacking the Ukranians since the destruction of any enemy platform means a degradation in defensive capability.

    A picture of a Russian Pole-21 electronic warfare (EW) system
    “There is minimal interest among Russian crews in synchronizing these effects with other activities or with deconflicting their effects,” the study further adds.

    Devastating Ukrainian Drones

    Alongside the Shipovnik-Aero, the Russian military has extensively rolled out EW effectors to be organic to all units at all echelons. This includes counter-UAV capabilities assigned to each platoon, usually directional jammers and arrays for hijacking UAVs. “Ukrainian forces now assess that at least one of these systems is available to each platoon within Russian line units,” the study noted.

    There are multiple videos of Russian soldiers using large hand-held non-kinetic anti-drone guns, causing overhead Ukrainian UAVs to either drop from their flight or land softly nearby. The former means the radio control link between the drone and its ground-based operator has been severed, while the latter implies that Russian jammers have taken control of the drone.

    The EurAsian Times last year reported on a video showing Russian troops retrieving one such Chinese-origin DJI drone, ostensibly used by the Ukrainians for surveillance and artillery fire correction, after jamming it with the Stupor anti-drone gun.

    Jamming Ukrainian Radio Communications

    Specifically about military communications, the authors noted a highly sophisticated and “capable” Russian EW ability to intercept and decrypt encrypted Ukrainian radio communications using what they identified as the Torn-MDM jammer.

    “(Russian EW) achieve real-time interception and decryption of Ukrainian Motorola 256-bit encrypted tactical communications systems, which are widely employed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU).”

    It quoted Ukrainian army officers recalling an incident where the Russian headquarters gave a “pre-emptive warning” to units about coming under an artillery barrage immediately after Ukrainian troops called in a fire strike. Although the 256-bit encrypted Motorola radios, Russian EW troops could “capture and decrypt these transmissions in real-time.”

    “When the Russians are not intercepting traffic, Ukrainian units note that they can reliably suppress the receivers on Motorola radios out to approximately 10 km beyond the Forward Line of Enemy Troops (FLET).”

    Interestingly, earlier in the war, Russian commanders were noted to have made the rookie mistake of communicating on open mobile phones and unencrypted radio, leading to the AFU targeting and bombing at least five Russian generals by late March last year.

    A report in Business Insider from November 2022 instead noted that the Russian “jamming offensive” was so “devastating” that it was also disrupting Russia’s communications, forcing it to “scale back” its operations in the first two days.

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    🇩🇪🇱🇹 Germany decided to move Patriot anti-aircraft missiles from Slovakia to Lithuania "to protect the July NATO summit" to be held in Vilnius.

    📌 Naturally, no one was going to hit the summit participants with missiles and they are not going to do so in future.

    However, apart from the propaganda purpose (the thesis about the threat to Europe must still be maintained), this decision has also a practical meaning.

    Against the backdrop of the summit, the Germans will rehearse routes and procedures for moving equipment across Europe and the overall integration of the Patriot systems with the BALTNET system (the Baltic part of NATO's unified air defense/defense system), in particular with the Air Surveillance Center in Karmelav.

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    Today is Memorial Day in the US. On this day, Americans pay their respects to and honor those who have died in service to our nation on the battlefield. Last night in Washington DC, the annual Memorial Day Concert was held. The event was very patriotic and included many stories of the casualties of war.

    Now, today, the Washington Post has published an article that equates the US mercenaries who died in Ukraine with all other US soldiers who died fighting for America. This is an abomination of the highest sort. It is insulting to the surviving men and women who fought against Nazi's in WW2. It is insulting to the families of those WW2 veterans.

    Moreover, it is insulting to all true American patriots who paid the ultimate price in defense of their nation. To have a US Nazi mercenary held up and receive any honors on Memorial Day is pathetic.

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    Russia detects a Patriot battery and launches standard cruise missiles with electronic and satellite intelligence. Then a hypersonic missile is launched towards the battery.

    When the battery commander sees that the missile is more advanced than they can destroy, he starts firing all at least 32 missiles in the battery indiscriminately, and the battery is destroyed immediately afterwards.

    Thus, today there was probably a loss of at least another $2 billion, and the previous losses amounted to $5 billion.

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    COPENHAGEN, Denmark

    Denmark will further boost its military aid to Ukraine by $2.59 billion over the course of this year and next in its ongoing conflict with Russia, said Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen on Monday.

    Frederiksen told Danish state media that her government aspires to contribute another 7.5 billion Danish kroner to the fund this year, and 10.4 billion kroner next year to assist Ukraine for its military needs.

    Denmark in March set up a $1 billion fund for military, civilian, and business aid to Ukraine in 2023. The Ukraine fund, established with the support of parliamentary parties, will give 5.4 billion kroner for military aid, 1.2 billion kroner toward civilian aid, and 0.4 billion kroner for business initiatives.

    The Ukraine fund was endorsed by 159 of 179 members of parliament, and opposed by the parliamentary parties: Unity List and Alternatives.

    "This major contribution will further strengthen the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the short and medium term," Zelenskiy said in a tweet. "Our strength is in unity!"

    The announcement from the Danish premier has come ahead of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s visit to the Nordic countries, including Sweden, Norway and Finland.

    Frederiksen is widely regarded as one of the top favorites to assume the role of the new NATO chief following the end of Jens Stoltenberg's tenure, as Stoltenberg is anticipated to step down in September.

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    "According to Turkish sources, the recent "earthquake" in Kiev, which Mayor Klitschko spoke about, could be related to the following: Kiev was one of the cities with the most extensive network of underground bunkers and tunnels in the Soviet Union. It is believed that the cause of the ground shaking may be an explosion and the destruction of a large underground arsenal, and due to the carelessness of personnel."
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    "One thing to note about my reports: for important ones, I don’t just repost random “rumors” as some might think but first attempt to get a high confidence triangulation with other info, especially the insider variety. And in this case, we do have some hints of insider info, for instance from several Ukrainian sources and channels which confirm that last night’s hit was a serious setback for the AFU."
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    Another superb update from Simplicius The Thinker

    This runs to 54 pages in PDF format and is much too large to copy in full here, however I will extract some key passages as it relates to the recent drone and missile strike activity from the weekend bombardment:

    SITREP 5/29/23: Kiev Rocked as New Satellite Photos Prove Patriot Destruction

    Source: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/...-new-satellite
    Major things are in motion.

    The night before last Russia launched a massive drone attack on all regions of Ukraine. It has been called by at least one source as the single largest drone attack of the entire SMO thus far, causing many people to speculate that Russia must now be producing Geran-2 drones at exponential rates as they have been using them at tremendous volumes of late. Every region has been hit and something very anomalous occurred in the capital city of Kiev.

    A huge explosion shook homes in the region, that at least one source says registered as a magnitude 3.4 on the Richter scale, and some experts estimated to be equivalent to at least a 100 ton ammo explosion.
    Some believe that a new type of Russian system was used, or simply that Russia penetrated Kiev’s underground bunkers with something like a Kinzhal.
    ...Ukrainian AD is not able to deal with the drone swarm:

    "The Russian army controls Shaheeds via satellite, - speaker of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    ▪️ "They flew from the south and north. Then they fly in groups, fly in different directions in batches, each drone has its own route, each UAV has GPS navigation, is controlled via satellite, so it can even fly in a circle, and in a certain time inflict blow ," Ignat said.

    ▪️The Russians are trying to confuse, mislead our air defense, for this they use the terrain to disappear from radar."

    Then last night Russia launched another large mixed strike of missiles and drones. Kiev gave its perfunctory bluff about 99% of the objects being intercepted, but in fact there are several videos showing large arrivals blowing what appear to be ammo and fuel depots
    Also, countless reports of Russian strikes now hitting not only AFU staging areas but railroad junctures and train stations where materiel is being offloaded for the war. These are not just speculative rumors but in fact some photos have emerged showing several of these
    And satellite photos of a railway station strike on Dnipropetrovsk where Ukraine was offloading gear
    In fact, the strikes were so large that Russia even had to utilize additional Tu-95 bombers flying in from northern bases in Murmansk, which made quite the loop:


    One thing that the massive strikes on Kiev have exposed is the charade regarding the Patriot system. Ukraine claims the Patriot wasn’t destroyed by the Kinzhal missile last time, but if that’s the case and it’s “back in order” then why were the various missiles and drones able to so easily penetrate Kiev in the strikes of the last few days? Where did the magical Patriot go, which could shoot down hypersonic Kinzhals so easily, but apparently can’t take out slow moving drones? But I’ll get back to the Patriot in a moment.

    Besides the huge earthquake as proof of some kind of hits, there are some videos of areas in and around Kiev being hit as well.

    There was also a large hit on a “hospital” in Dnipropetrovsk which Ukrainian propagandists immediately tried to whip up a narrative of Russian hospital strikes. But unfortunately, they forgot to mention that some female ‘influencer/blogger’ blew the lid by posting on her social media about how this ‘hospital’ was in fact a staging area overflowing with AFU military
    Getting back to the Patriot: we finally have definitive proof the Patriot was in fact hit on the fateful night of May 16:




    Satellite images of the Zhuliany airfield showing arrivals at the position of the MIM-104 Patriot air defense system on the night of May 16.

    In the May 18 image, in comparison with the May 15 image, there are distinct arrival points with a radius of several tens of meters along a concrete parking lot next to the dug out position of the air defense system, as well as directly into one of the positions, which, apparently, are the locations of the MIM-104F Patriot PAC-3 .

    Recall that on the night of May 15-16, a missile attack was carried out on objects in Kiev, following which we published a video of the missile arriving at the position of Ukrainian air defense. The Russian Ministry of Defense then announced the destruction of the Patriot air defense system, while the American media reported that the air defense system was damaged, but they were allegedly able to be eliminated on the spot.
    The satellite photo on the left is from May 15, the night before the attacks, showing Patriot positions in the Kiev airport. The new satellite photo on the right is from May 18, after the strikes, and shows two clear strikes. One of them is exactly pinpoint on the berm-enclosure which would have housed either a launcher or radar system. Another strike is more inconclusive, as it’s near a tarmac and could be the strike which “damaged” one of the systems with shrapnel. But judging by these photos we can confidently say at least one major component of the Patriot was fully vaporized.
    "⚡️⚔️ On the Air Base Strike in #Khmelnitsky Region ⚡️

    📃 Judging by the reports of the #Khmelnitsky Gauleiter, who mentions 5 planes "damaged" at once when hitting the airfield, the real damage after night arrivals turned out to be much greater.

    The enemy rarely recognizes such damage and the appearance of such messages rather indicates that there is a process of downplaying much more damage.

    It was probably a question of hitting planes that launched British missiles. Probably, stocks of such missiles were destroyed at the airfield."
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    I'll leave the extracts there for the time being, but, as is typical, this is the most reliable analyses of events one could wish for.

    I'll attempt to embed the PDF here, but it may be too large.

    Avalon Library source PDF (54 pages): https://avalonlibrary.net/Ukraine/Ar...ay_30_2023.pdf

    “If a man does not keep pace with [fall into line with] his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” - Thoreau

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    Just a footnote here in case it might be helpful. KFOR are the NATO troops in Kosovo. See this page on the NATO website:
    That's why this developing situation is important, and may well be relevant to Ukraine. NATO can't be trusted in any way at all, and we have to watch this closely. To remind us all (easy to get confused about who is where!), here's a useful and clear map of the area:


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    A long post here, but bear with me. And, if you feel moved to, DO DO DO watch the video. it's terrifying — but also kind of inspiring if one believes that this is at least partly a fight of good against evil, even if the poor Ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield are tragic innocents, pawns being sacrificed by the US and NATO in this dreadful game.

    I sent this to a good friend yesterday:

    ~~~

    I had a strong feeling you might appreciate this, a 4 minute video with a powerful music track, a tribute to Olga Kachura, more of whom below.

    It's been totally scrubbed from YouTube, but it's preserved in the Avalon Library here:

    https://avalonlibrary.net/Ukraine/2022_Russian_invasion_%28Operation-Z%29/Olga_Kachura_%28b.1970%20-%20d.2022%29/Olga_%27Korsa%27_Kachura_Tribute.MP4



    Col. Olga Kachura was a legendary Russian artillery commander. Her call sign was 'Korsa'. She was also known as the 'she-wolf', respected and revered by all the men under her command. The video is a powerful tribute to her, backed by.a striking track from Louna, called Storming Heaven.

    There's no English translation to the video, but none is needed. The small amount of makeup that she uses every day was because she felt that as a leader, whatever the situation, she always needed to look presentable to the men under her command.

    Tragically and ironically, she was killed by a Ukrainian missile 3 weeks after the video was made. She was posthumously made a Hero of the Russian Federation, and there's a statue of her now in the Alley of Heroes in Donetsk.



    Here she is when she was a little younger:



    I also found a terrific interview of her which I posted here. In it, she says:
    “I’ll be a great grandmother: I'll teach my grandchildren how to climb fences, shoot from a slingshot — everything that I can do myself,” laughs Olga Kachura, commander of the rocket artillery division of the Armed Forces of the DPR. "And I probably will have something to tell them when we sit together in the kitchen.”
    The video shows the terrifying brutality of artillery warfare, and as I commented in my post,
    The is about the humanity of some of the great wartime leaders. And this is the great paradox.
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    My friend replied:
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    Dear Bill, thank you!! Magnificent.

    I have offered thanks and given appreciation on this Memorial Day for this glorious woman and all she did for the love of her country and her people. No matter the location, this is human loving human. Amen.

    As you say, "the great paradox of war". As with so many paradoxes, war jealously guards its definitions and delusions.

    I have a strong sense Korsa hears every word we are saying and appreciates her space in all this has been and is being honored and the greatness of her spirit carries on in resolve from next realms.

    I salute you, Olga Kachura, Korsa.

    I must say, I thoroughly appreciate her stated intent, and need, to present well! Eyeliner, moisturizer, et al, color many a day's dread in beauty. Beauty soothing angst and fear as music soothes the looming beast.

    The music was sensational. Storming Heaven indeed! Love, love, love this.

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    • The Corruption in Ukraine Is Way Over the Top - Seymour Hersh:

    On 26 September 2022, a series of clandestine bombings and subsequent underwater gas leaks occurred on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipelines. The pipelines were built to transport natural gas from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea, and are majority owned by Gazprom. The mainstream narrative claims the perpetrators and the motives were at best unknown and open to debate.

    But, not as far as today’s guest is concerned. He is something of a legendary figure in the world of news reporting and has spent much of the last 50 years elbow-deep in some of the biggest and oftentimes most controversial stories of the day.

    I’m talking of course about Seymour Hersh, the investigative journalist, political writer and author, who among his many accolades was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for international reporting.

    Seymour believes that the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines was carried out by the US Navy, the CIA, and the Norwegian Navy, under the direct order of President Biden. To say this has caused a stir in the corridors of power would be something of an understatement.
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    Video unavailable…. In uk
    The love you withhold is the pain that you carry
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