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    • 8 Leopard MBTs, and 3 French AMX-10 Destroyed by Russian anti-tank missile ATM:

    Recently, Russiaís Defense Ministry uploaded a video showing Russian forces wiping out the Ukrainian army foreign armor, including German-made Leopard tanks. Leopard MBTs were not designed to encounter IEDs, ATGMs, and suicide drones. The 2A4 retains an older boxy turret configuration which offers less protection from modern anti-tank missiles. Source: Next-Generation Future
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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    Russia attacked Ukraine with missiles with a simulated nuclear warhead
    Nothing new here! The Iskander is the same (and always has been), and so is the Kinshal hypersonic missile. And re NATO's armaments, the F-16 can carry nuclear arms as well.

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    https://twitter.com/OlgaBazova/statu...29533269794817




    This is not funny, yesterday I saw the video of the young man that was attacked and eaten by the shark. It happened in Egypt at Dream beach that tourists frequent. The young man of 23 was swimming not far from shore. His girlfriend made it to shore but he didnít. His last words were, ďPapa, PapaĒ. His father was ashore and witnessed his sons horrific death. It is really heartbreaking and shocking when a life is taken so unexpectedly and suddenly. And when you see the man being tossed in the air like a rag before his death itís terrible. I grieved for his family and a few months ago I grieved for the American woman that was killed by a bull shark while on vacation with her family, she was a university professor on a holiday cruise and just like that she was killed. Itís tragic and more so for the family. Itís not funny whatsoever, itís a reminder at how fragile life is and does not discriminate by nationality or any other way. Iím still also haunted by the memory of seeing a young 21 year old dead next to his car in front of my workplace. I grieved for him and his family too.
    Back to topicÖ.

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    https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1667208682185080847


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/06/kursk-20.html

    Kursk 2.0?

    Lazy and arguably biased as I am, I will just present the analysis (slightly edited) of the former Swedish officer and defense politician Mikael Valtersson:
    ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE ZAPORIZHIA AFTERNOON JUNE 9 Hard fighting continues along the Zaporizhia front, but with no Ukrainian breakthrough. Sometimes UkrAF makes small gains and then RuAF retakes the lost territories. But all fighting are still being conducted in the grey area in front of the Russian main defence lines.

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    I will not go into details about attacks and counterattacks, but the main areas of fighting has been centred around Lobkove to the west, and Robotino to the south, of Orikhiv. Lobkove was captured a short while by Ukrainian forces, but later they retreated due to intense Russian bombardments.

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    In Robotino Russian forces retreated to the second line of forward positions closer to the settlement, then Russian forces retook the lost positions and presently Ukrainian forces has taken them a second time and now Russian forces try to retake the first line a second time. But still the Ukrainians has not reached the settlement of Robotino and they are fighting an uphill battle in open terrain through Russian minefields and might have to withdraw a second time to their original positions.

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    The Ukrainian forces don't seem to sweep mines in advance of the attack. They do it with a couple of mine clearing vehicles when they attack and behind them the Ukrainian armour advance in a column that is an easy target for Russian AT assets.

    In a way it resembles the Russian armour columns in the beginning of the war. Columns that took catastrophic losses to Ukrainian AT weapons, a history now repeated by the Ukrainians.

    In advance of an offensive, the attacking side must secure air and artillery superiority, so they can shield their mine clearing operations and troop concentrations. And at the same time destroy the defenders command structures and logistical hubs.

    Finally when they attack their air and artillery superiority can be utilised to severely hurt and slow down enemy reserves to secure breakthroughs. This becomes even more important if the enemy has large reserves and a defence in depth.

    On the Zaporizhia front the situation is the opposite, so Ukrainian forces hasn't many choices how to act. One method is to achieve strategic surprise as in the Kharkiv offensive last autumn. That option doesn't exist on the Zaporizhia front. In general I would say that an attack towards an enemy who has all the benefits RuAF has on the Zaporizhia front is suicidal.

    The only way Ukrainian (and western) commanders even could have contemplated that such an offensive could succeed was if
    1. western weapons were much superior to Russian weapons,
    2. western trained soldiers much superior to Russian soldiers and
    3. Russian morale was dismal.
    If all these factors where true, UkrAF might have had a chance to succeed, but nothing seems to corroborate those assumptions.

    Many on the Ukrainian and western side had anticipated hard initial resistance from RuAF, but after 2-3 days fighting and advances of around 6-8 km, they expected an increasing collapse of Russian morale and the real breakthroughs would come.

    Nothing of this seems to be other than wishful thinking, since fighting still are in the grey zone and Russian resistance are unbroken. At the same time Ukrainian forces take heavy casualties both in soldiers and vehicles.

    The offensive isn't over yet and the main Ukrainian attack fist remains with probably over 600 tanks and as many IFVs around Orikhiv. But the future for the Ukrainian offensive looks bleak if their vanguard is destroyed before they reach the Russian main defence lines.

    The probability is large that Ukraine has to use up their main force to get through a couple of the Russian defencelines and then they will run out of forces to exploit any successes and be forced to withdraw.

    To summarise, the most likely outcome of the Ukrainian offensive is minor territorial gains at a horrendous cost.

    As I've said before it seems to be Kursk 2.0
    I largely agree with the above assessment (even though Kursk 1.0 was much larger and way more balanced).

    The biggest tactical mistake I see on the Ukrainian side is the bunching up of vehicles. The distance between combat vehicle on roads and in open fields should be 100 meter, not 10, 5 or 1 meter like in the picture below.

    The Ukrainian columns regularly get slaughtered by artillery strikes because they always(!) bunch up. Keeping distances is a basic training lecture for any combined arms warfare unit.


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    Where are the air defenses? Ukraine has received 37 German Gepard (cheetah) air defense tanks. These are old but can keep the air clean, each within a 10 kilometer wide bubble. The Gepards were specifically designed to cover tank and mech-infantry battalions in battle. But judging from the number of drone videos the Russian can put out, there is not one Gepard in the whole area.

    Also where are the electromagnetic measures. Why can Russian artillery directing drones fly over the combat zone but not Ukrainians?

    Why are no fog grenades used by Ukrainian artillery to cover the approaches and breaching attempts by Ukrainian armor?

    How are piecemeal commitments, wave after wave but hours apart, going to change anything when what is needed are massive consistent pushes to get through?

    Folks, these are basics, not higher level operational or strategic issues. I have drilled these basics into conscripts. If you can't even get those right, after allegedly intense 'western' training, what hope is there to breach through seriously prepared Russian defense lines?

    None.

    Here is some of the damage done to last night's and today's morning attacks by an allegedly prime Ukrainian unit, the 43rd 'western' trained brigade, that uses prime 'western' equipment.


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    Here is video of more.

    The first serious probing attacks for the counter offensive started on June 5. I have listed the Ukrainian losses the Russian Ministry of Defense has since reported. Note that these numbers are mostly for the whole front, not just for the Zaporizhia region.


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    These numbers are, like in most frontline reports, likely too high. But even if one only takes them at half or a third for real they are still frightening high.


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    A whole brigade, more likely a third each of three brigades, has been wasted for zero gains.

    Consider that we are five days in and the Ukrainian forces, despite using Leopards and Bradleys, their main forces, have hardly crossed the first contact line. The real Russian first defense lines are still miles away and there are three or more of those.

    The History Legends Youtube channel calls this a disaster.

    I agree with that too.
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    https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/st...80373535211521



    https://tass.com/emergencies/1629881...m_social_share

    Number of flooded homes in Kherson Region rises to almost 22,300 after dam breach

    Overnight to June 6, the Ukrainian military delivered a strike against the Kakhovka HPP, destroying the plantís hydraulic valves and triggering an uncontrolled discharge of water

    MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/. The number of houses flooded after the dam of the Kakhovka hydro-electric power plant (HPP) was breached by Kievís shelling increased to almost 22,300, a spokesman for the regional emergency services told TASS on Friday.

    "According to the latest data, almost 22,300 houses have been submerged in 17 settlements. The water level in Novaya Kakhovka has dropped by two meters to ten meters," the spokesman said.

    Presently, 1,117 people, including 110 children and 35 persons with reduced mobility, are in three temporary accommodations, he said.

    Russian Deputy Emergencies Minister Anatoly Suprunovsky said on Thursday that the breach of the Kakhovka hydro-electric dam submerged 14,000 houses in 15 settlements in the Kherson Region. The evacuation of people is currently underway. In all, 5,000 local residents, including 178 children and 62 persons with reduced mobility, have been evacuated from the flooded areas of the Novaya Kakhovka urban district and the Alyoshki and Golaya Pristan municipal districts in the Kherson Region.

    Overnight to June 6, the Ukrainian military delivered a strike against the Kakhovka HPP, destroying the plantís hydraulic valves and triggering an uncontrolled discharge of water. As many as 35 settlements are in the flood area. Residents of nearby communities are being evacuated.

    The Kakhovka HPP destruction has caused serious damage to the environment, agricultural fields have been washed away and there is a risk of the shallowing of the North Crimean Canal. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov slammed the strike against the Kakhovka HPP as Ukraineís deliberate subversive act. He added that the Kiev regime must be held fully accountable for all the ensuing consequences.

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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...68783084273665



    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...71912710447105



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    ‼️🔥The battle at the Zaporizhzhya Front has started, signal flares in the sky, artillery meets the advancing enemy forces
    ▪️ On the Orekhovsky section of the Zaporizhzhya Front, the enemy moved equipment towards Rabotino.
    ▪️ All 3 days since the beginning of the offensive AFU stick to a new tactic - to start all assaults at night, probably hoping for technical perfection of Western devices. So far it does not save them from defeat.
    ▪️ Our fighters are alerted and begin firing at the approaching enemy
    http://t.me/RVvoenkor

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...73252832509954



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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...77893091639300



    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...75615748202496


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    https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/stat...62325403910144



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    Explosions in Odessa again and again. The swarm of Russian drones continue to attack. Geraniums hit targets on the outskirts of the city, but air defense is located in the center, Ukrainian missiles can hit residential buildings.

    Odessa TG channels report that one of the explosions was so powerful that windows were shattered in many houses, and many ambulances drove to the place of the explosion.

    IL RUSSO

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    https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1667288702039519239



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    Map of hostilities and the situation on the fronts on the evening of June 9

    A hero of the battle for Mariupol died in battle near Avdiivka. Commanders of the battalion "Somalia" Roman Vorobyov began his combat path at the Donetsk airport. And he finished it at the forefront in Vodyany. Roman was awarded the title of Hero of Russia posthumously.

    ⚔️The situation on the fronts for the past day:

    ⚫️ Bakhmutskoe (Artemovskoe) direction

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to advance in the Berkhovka area. In addition, they advanced at Kleshcheevka. At the same time, Russian forces are counterattacking in the area of ​​​​Ivanovsky and Vesely .

    ⚫️ Donetsk direction

    The Russian army is attacking in the area of ​​the North and on the southwestern outskirts of Avdiivka. Also, Russian forces resumed the assault on Pervomaisky . Meanwhile, the militants tried to counterattack in Maryinka.

    ⚫️ Zaporozhye direction

    In the Orekhovsky sector, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have small successes, the enemy occupied several of Russia forces positions, by the end of the day the enemy began large-scale attacks again. Meanwhile, the militants are gathering reserves to Velikaya Novoselovka and Ugledar. They also attacked in the direction of Neskuchny.

    💡In 2020, the C-350 Vityaz air defense system was adopted by the Russian army. It is capable of tracking up to 16 targets simultaneously and should replace the S-300P systems of early modifications.

    Readovka

    https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1667281973482516482

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    No Leopards being destroyed here (maybe there aren't many left? ), but below is a bunch of impressive short videos showing how the Russians are able to destroy vehicles of all kinds so very easily using small FPV ('First Person View') drones.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/68247


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    ❗️ Orekhovskoe direction, the Ukrainian forces are fighting an assault battle in the plantations, throwing fresh forces, they are being smothered by Russian artillery.

    ❗️ Zaporozhye direction Malaya Tokmachka - the Ukrainian forces secretly landed on one of the flanks of about 200 personnel.

    They thought they were stealthy, but that's what they thought. Several MLRS worked in a square with Ukrainian infantry at once. They say no one is left.

    Masno

    https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1667289479965552641



    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1667292054651535361




    https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1667288219925241857

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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...89424034496512



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    In Orekhov and its environs, the Ukrainian army conducts the most intense artillery fire and uses MLRS. Attacks are coming along the entire front line.

    It is indicative that there is an increase in the number of units involved, several brigades have already been put into battle.

    Fierce battles are taking place in the minefields, Russian troops are shelling the area. Also strikes with planning bombs on the places of concentration in the frontline zone

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...85131923529728



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    ❗️🇺🇦🇷🇺 At least 6 explosions in Odessa. Air defense systems operate on the Geran-2 UAV. In the south-eastern and eastern regions of Ukraine air raid alert.

    Judging by the new wave of strikes, they are trying to destroy the warehouses of the Kherson group, which is used as a reserve for the shock fist in the Orekhovo region.

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...84125076582403



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    Zaporozhye direction. Following 22, the battle was taken by 45 brigade, 70 SMEs, reconnaissance battalion
    71 SMEs. The enemy is rushing in several areas, with large forces. Our fighters heroically destroy the enemy. Our artillery and aviation are also working out. The situation is difficult, but manageable. The enemy is suffering heavy losses, but he still has a lot of reserves.

    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/st...83021303611392


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    Sweden has allowed the deployment of NATO troops on its territory, the newspaper Dagens Nyheter reports.

    "The government has decided that the Swedish Armed Forces can conduct training with NATO and NATO member states to enable future joint operations. Training, in particular, may consist of temporarily basing foreign equipment, various military equipment and personnel on Swedish territory," Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson and Swedish Defense Minister Paul Jonsson said in a joint statement.

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    🇷🇺 The situation in Zaporozhye at 01:30 Moscow time

    ◼️ Artillery duel of medium intensity, but non-stop. Particular attention is in the Rabotino area.
    ◼️ Several units of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed, there are losses among the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, more accurate figures will appear later.
    ◼️ In general, a tense situation persists along the entire front line, which is securely held byRussian forces.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    An interesting update from the Slavyangrad telegram channel, as of a few minutes ago.

    It's being reported that the Ukrainian offensive has been paused for tonight (for the first time since it began). Moreover, there are reports of at least two Ukrainian brigades disobeying orders and openly refusing to join the offensive, as per intercepted radio transmissions.

    The 128th Ukrainian brigade is also refusing to go on the offensive. The 47th and 65th were requesting evacuation.

    It'll all continue, of course, even if for a relatively short time, but these are among the first clear signs of fracture.

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    Robert Kennedy Jr explains the Ukraine war: The US Govt toppled the democratically elected Ukrainian Govt in 2014, selected the new leader of Ukraine, funded a civil war against ethnic Russians in the east and provoked Russia into the ongoing US proxy war.


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    NEWS UPDATE UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE ZAPORIZHIA NIGHT JUNE 10
    Much and nothing happened at the front. There was intense fighting all the day and no progress for UkrAF. Instead RuAF 291th Regiment, that has held the hardest hit part of the front retook what they lost yesterday in front of Robotino. Several attacks has been conducted by UkrAF both during yesterday and the night, to no avail.

    Losses are hard to estimate but Russian MoD Claims 35 tanks and 30 armoured vehicles. Accordind to video confirmation that at least 6 tanks (5 German Leopard 2A6/A4 tanks and 1 Czech T-72M1 tank), 6 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (American M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA) and 5 Armored Personal Carriers (3 American MRAP M1224 MaxxPro, 1 Dutch YPR-765 armored personnel carrier and 1 French VAB armored car) has been destroyed.

    According to several sources Ukraine has thrice the number of armored vehicles available to attack again tomorrow. That's the same as a brigade, with 50 tanks and 100 other armored vehicles. We'll see what's happening tomorrow,

    Prorussian Rybar has their own artist's and whatever you think of the artistic qualities, they are very fast and actual. Here we have today's "The Leopard Tamers", "Miners don't make mistakes" and "Lend-Lease Cemetery".

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