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    https://cumbriacrack.com/2022/07/06/...J-Y0_HYb8Po3qw
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    How Russia Saved the United States Twice
    July 3, 2020


    Today Americans are celebrating the most important national holiday — Independence Day. More than a year after the advent of the American Revolutionary War, on July 4, 1776, delegates to the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia signed a document, which laid the foundation for a new country. The Declaration of Independence officially announced the separation of 13 newly-independent mutinous colonies from the metropolis and explained the reasons why Americans were at war with the British crown. By positing that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, the Declaration set an agenda for all democratic state-building in the world for centuries to come. Both Russian and French constitutions have been defined by this narrative.

    Inspired by the European enlightenment and its philosophers (Locke, Voltaire, Rousseau) as well as supported by the French expeditionary corps, George Washington’s army stood up for the newly-born nation’s very right to exist. After eight years of bloodshed, the United Kingdom eventually recognized America’s independence in 1783; coincidentally, the same year Crimea became a part of the Russian Empire.

    However, in the Winter of 1775, victory was far beyond the horizon. Americans were gravely crashed at the Battle of Quebec. A couple of months later, the British were preparing for a counterattack in New York, which later became the most disastrous defeat of the Revolutionary Army over the course of the war. The Americans lost Fort Washington in Autumn 1776 and roughly 3,000 soldiers were taken hostage.

    Meanwhile, intending to cut the supply of the rebellious colonies, Britannia tried to impose a naval blockade on the American continent. Being influenced by her correspondence with the French philosophers, an enlightened Russian Empress Catherine the Great from the very start was sympathetic to the Americans fighting for their freedom. Guided by her own country’s national interests, Catherine firmly opposed the British naval blockade. She continued to trade with the 13 former colonies. In 1780 Russia proclaimed the policy of armed neutrality, which meant that its ships would fight back if the British navy tried to stop them from crossing the Atlantic.

    More than that, amidst the Revolutionary War George III, the British king, trying to appeal to Catherine’s monarchical sentiments, pleaded her to send 20-thousand Russian expeditionary corps to America to fight against the revolutionaries. The Russian Empress refused. Then the king tried to bribe Catherine by offering an island of Menorca in the Mediterranean Sea in exchange for convincing France to exit the war and thus forcing the American rebels to fight alone. And again, the offer was turned down.

    Nowadays most Americans remember the French fighting alongside them in this nation-building war. Unfortunately, they are never reminded about Russia’s contribution to the U.S. independence.

    The second most important conflict in America was the Civil War (1861-1865). This time, once again, Russia was on the right side of history.


    We can draw some parallels between the two contemporaries, the first Republican President Abraham Lincoln and Russian Tsar Alexander II (also known as the Liberator). Both men initiated fundamental reforms to reconstruct their countries, both of them fought slavery. Alexander abolished serfdom in Russia in 1861, four years before the 13th Amendment was adopted in the United States. Another mysterious similarity, both rulers had a tragic destiny. Both men died for what they believed in. They were assassinated by terrorists.

    Back to 1861, with the outbreak of the Civil War President Lincoln not only had to fight the Confederacy but also resist London and Paris plotting against the Union. This time France, pursuing its agenda in Mexico, betrayed the U.S. by secretly supplying the separatist South with weapons. And the United Kingdom, also guided by its self-interest, insidiously increased Confederacy’s legitimacy by recognizing it as a combatant party. By default, London and Paris were ready to join the war on the side of General Lee’s army. The major factor, which prevented it from happening was the position taken by the Russian Empire.

    In 1863, Alexander II sent two Russian fleets under the command of Admirals Lessovski and Popov to New York and San Francisco in order to put pressure on London and fight the British navy if necessary. Russian ships patrolled the American shores for 10 months. Thus, Russia was the first European power, who officially supported the Union and President Lincoln. Soon the war was over.

    Russia’s position towards the United States at the time can be best described by an affirmation of the most famous Russian diplomat, Chancellor Gorchakov: “Russia’s policy towards the United States is defined and will not change. Above all, we wish to keep the American Union as an undivided nation.”

    Being deeply indebted to Russia, the American government in 1866 decided to send a special deputation to Petersburg to express to the Emperor and the Russian people the gratitude of the United States for the help provided by sending Russian fleets to America. The words, coined by an American diplomat Berg at an official reception organized a couple of years earlier in honor of the sailors who came to the side of the United States in its hour of need, happened to be prophetic: “There is a friendship between us that has not been overshadowed by any bad memories. It will continue, subject to the strict rule not to interfere in each other’s internal affairs. It is easy to imagine the enormous advantages that such a policy can give to all the governments of the globe if they carefully adhere to it."

    Today it might be hard for our two countries to return to such an ideal state of affairs. Now Russian-American relations are overshadowed by lots of circumstances. This is why it is especially important to remember the positive moments of our common past. Twice in less than a century, Russia stood on behalf of the United States in its fight for freedom and unity. As much as Americans, Russians are always ready to fight for the right cause and for what they believe in.

    Today, it's worth congratulating Americans as they celebrate their independence and the profound impact that American democracy has had on the world. At the same time, it's also worth remembering the instrumental role that Russia played in making the American experiment possible and that together the United States and Russia can do great things.

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    Russia says it destroyed American HIMARS in Ukraine

    Ukraine has lost 'powerful tools' provided by Washington, Moscow claims.

    Russian forces destroyed two US-made rocket launchers in Donbass, the defense ministry said on Wednesday.

    The US provided Kiev with eight High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and ammunition since the beginning of the Russian military offensive in Ukraine, according to a Pentagon fact sheet published on Tuesday.

    “In the area of the settlement of Malotaranovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, high-precision air-launched missiles destroyed two US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems and two ammunition depots for them,” the Russian military said in a statement.

    At the end of June, the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) said that an М142 HIMARS had been used by Ukrainian forces in Donbass, the first time that local authorities reported the US-supplied systems had been used in combat.

    Prior to that, the chief of Ukraine’s General Staff, Valery Zaluzhny, posted a video purporting to show pro-Kiev forces operating the long-range rocket system.

    On June 23, Ukrainian Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov welcomed the arrival of HIMARS and expressed gratitude to his “American colleague and friend Lloyd Austin (the Pentagon chief) for these powerful tools.”

    Russia has constantly warned the US and its allies against providing Ukraine with weapons saying that it would only lead to the prolongation of the conflict and the creation of long-term problems.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Tuesday that some of the foreign weapons intended for Ukraine were spreading throughout the Middle East and are turning up on the black market.

    Late last month G7 countries pledged to provide support to Ukraine in all possible forms “for as long as it takes.”

    The Russian military also made it clear that any foreign arms on Ukrainian territory would be considered legitimate targets.


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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I watched this with interest, and Paul Craig Roberts always has to be respected. But here, I think he's wrong.

    The Russians don't care at all what the western media says about them, and the real western powerbrokers aren't influenced by the media either, as they understand the entire thing perfectly well — including Russia's very measured response to all the provocation.

    Of course, there are hawks among the US neocons, but NATO is not as strong as it likes to pretend it is. One thing that's been very visible is how effective the Russian military machine is, and how ineffective western weapons are in a "real" war against a strong adversary.

    The neocons may rattle their sabers and make a lot of noise, but as best I can see they're really doing this for one another. Everything I believe I know and understand suggests that Russia is in full control of all this, militarily, financially, and geopolitically.

    And most of the world's nations are quietly behind them. However the western media tries to frame this, all politicians with any perception of reality at all (but maybe that excludes many in Europe, and of course Biden himself!) will understand this very clearly.
    I agree fully Bill. What Paul Craig Roberts calls Russian strategic mistakes etc. aren’t strategic mistakes at all. If Russia had taken the Donbass region in 2014, the whole world would have condemned them. Now – apart from the US and their golden billion slaves and vassals – the whole world is either neutral or blatantly behind them. They can oppose the West at their own pace by building their forces of economic warfare. Moreover, and contrary to what the West thinks: they are not losing the information war in the world, they are only losing it in the G7 world and their full-fledged media propaganda arm. Once they have achieved the goal of creating that economic-geopolitic "second pole" and promoted a new "non-aligned" third pole, their non-nuclear military capability towards the West will be supplied for for by China if need be. In the Second World War, Japan and Germany were antipodes: divided geopolitically right from the start, so Germany was defeated by the American-armed Soviets, and Japan by the Americans. This time around, Russia and China are not divided but geopolitically united and will be able to sustain conventional attacks from the West (where the US will be seriously hampered by the Europeans’ unwillingness to be "Ukrainised") as well as from the East (where neither South Korea nor Japan will elect to be slaughtered by invading forces from China). The real danger is the metamorphosis into a nuclear exchange, which is possible at any moment, to start with tomorrow. The Neocons might reason "if we can’t be the hegemonic power, then nobody will be": the "Samson option", which their good friends in Israel know everything about. The key to this is that the US citizens must themselves rise up and disarm their warlords. I am not so sure they will have the courage to do this. Time is short.
    Deviating from the topic a little, but still I think part of this overall complex puzzle, MI5 director Ken McCallum and FBI chief Christopher Wray make an "historic" address on the subject of China.

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    I would argue there's nothing "covert" about it, it has been out in the open for decades just like the intellectual property theft, disregard for international agreements they make with every nation, and debt-trap diplomacy with poor African nations.

    Are our intelligence agencies really this incompetent? I would say the answer is yes.
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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)
    “In the area of the settlement of Malotaranovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, high-precision air-launched missiles destroyed two US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems and two ammunition depots for them,” the Russian military said in a statement.

    At the end of June, the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) said that an М142 HIMARS had been used by Ukrainian forces in Donbass, the first time that local authorities reported the US-supplied systems had been used in combat.



    "Combat" here has the definition of "firing on a city:


    "According to military experts of the DPR JCCC, the enemy, situated in the area of the settlement of Konstantinovka, launched missiles from the M142 HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket System supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by NATO countries at the city of Snezhnoye," the press service of the JCCC said in a statement Monday.



    Does that game look changed to anyone?


    I had to clear my head of this for a few days, to which, I would add the following:


    When last speaking of this great culture of hours, there was a murder on this street, a friend of mine showed up stapled together by more staples than I have ever seen, and, someone else got themselves within "one touch" of being slain by me personally.

    Then I had to drive around town to get to work--assuming the cops were blocking the highway due to a wreck. But I could not see any wrecked cars. Found out later it was another shooting right there in the road.

    That's what we have, not Covid, and anyone who might suppose a Russian was my enemy has got things very far backwards.


    As far as I can tell, it is British central planners. I am prepared to blame them basically continuously since 1720. All that the stupid Americans did was re-join them.

    This is despite having a national anthem from the War of 1812 which was a British attack to renew the central bank.

    Well, at least we have some stories of that great American tech roasting in obliteration. Pansies.

    The job of American Intelligence is to deliver the country to Britain. And to make the population ignorant. They are doing really good at this!

    The only reason the British are losing right now is because their whole plan doesn't work. It costs something, but it doesn't work, and they do not understand this because they have jobs that robotically act like it does.

    So far the equation send more weapons = get a lot more people killed with no achievements appears to be working.

    I can only take it that Johnson and Biden are really enthusiastic about ruining everything they can possibly influence.


    Strong language warning, here are some on-screen lyrics newly from some English friends of mine responding to BoJo.

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    Don't Feed Me Your Lies


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    DPR People’s Militia has eliminated over 60 Ukrainian neo-Nazis in one day

    The DPR People’s Militia supported by the Russian Armed Forces eliminated more than 60 Ukrainian nationalists and destroyed two Uragan and three Grads multiple rocket launchers over the past 24 hours. The press service of the DPR People’s Militia reported this on July 5.

    “The joint actions of the military of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed the following enemy armament and military equipment: two Uragan multiple rocket launchers, three BM-21 Grad, five trucks and over 60 personnel. Three enemy firing points were suppressed in the areas of Avdeevka, Nevelskoye and Zhelannoye,” the statement reads.

    The DPR People’s Militia noted that the Ukrainian side continues to terrorize the civilians of the Republic, carrying out massive artillery strikes on residential areas and civilian infrastructure, which in turn are not military objects and pose no danger to the enemy

    In his congratulations on the 77th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, addressed on May 9 to the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, Vladimir Putin stressed that the Russian Federation, the DPR and LPR are fighting shoulder to shoulder, like their ancestors, to liberate their native land from Nazi invaders, and expressed confidence in victory, as in 1945.

    The Russian leader reminded that the common duty of all who honor the great memory of the war is to prevent the revival of Nazism, which brought so much suffering to the people of different countries.

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    And really for all the innocent child victims killed horribly around the world…may their families somehow be consoled for their losses somehow. So many senseless, cruel deaths everywhere in this world..

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    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/...nt-be-shocked/

    U.S. Generals Have Been Wrong On Ukraine. We Shouldn’t Be Shocked

    Frederick B. Hodges, former commanding general of U.S. Army-Europe, claimed last month that Ukraine’s forces would soon slow Russia’s advance and, the New York Times reported, begin “to roll back its gains by late summer.” Hodges said his confidence was based on his belief that “the Ukrainian logistical situation getting better each week while the Russian logistical situation will slowly degrade.”

    Such claims, however, are in contradiction to observable reality on the battlefield – and continue a disturbing, decades-long trend of poor and misleading advice given by America’s top military officers.

    Listening over the past four months to what America’s retired generals and admirals have said on TV, one would be forgiven for believing that Ukraine is winning its war with Russia, that Putin’s troops and leaders are incompetent, and that soon Ukrainian troops will begin rolling the Russians back.

    Such belief, however, would be badly misplaced, as substantial evidence indicates virtually the opposite.

    A Rosy Look at the Brutal Battle in Ukraine

    Rosy, optimistic – and inaccurate – assessments from U.S. flag officers have unfortunately become the norm over the past few decades. While some current and former generals give excellent and accurate assessments, there are far too many that don’t. The consequence to American policy has often been severe. It is time to reassess how much credibility we should place with American generals and admirals.

    As I have chronicled on these pages, the conditions and military fundamentals clearly evident for years have strongly suggested that Ukraine could not win a war with Russia, and that both Kyiv and Washington should have made different policy choices based on that reality, both before and since Russia’s illegal invasion. But as graphically detailed below, active and retired flag officers have continually claimed that – ignoring clear evidence to the contrary – Ukraine has a chance to win the war.

    Encouraging Ukraine to Keep Up the Fight

    Such unwarranted assertions have led policymakers and the American public to believe, improperly, that we should continue encouraging Ukraine to maintain its fight against Russia. American official policy has been to provide Kyiv with substantial armaments to defend itself and overwhelming emotional support.

    If the generals were right, if Ukraine were indeed close to winning the war, and if the aid we have offered could tip the scales in Kyiv’s favor, then our policy might make sense. But it doesn’t. Ukraine isn’t winning the war and isn’t even close to parity, much less superiority, to Russian forces.

    In my most recent piece at 19FortyFive, I detail many of the practical, military reasons Ukraine is losing the war and is likely to continue losing. In my assessment, if Kyiv continues refusing to seek a negotiated settlement with Russia – something that is understandably repugnant to many Ukrainian citizens and government – they are in danger not merely of sliding into a long-term stalemate, but of outright losing the war.

    I do not hesitate to admit that I can’t guarantee an outcome in this war. There are too many variables and information I don’t have, and do not have access to the secret council of either the Russian or Ukrainian general staff, or that of the western NATO leaders. A number of things could change the dynamics and trajectory of the war, which are not publicly known. Of course events that have yet to happen could result in major course changes.

    But as I have laid out in detail, the current trends and military fundamentals reveal Ukraine is unquestionably losing this war. For the conditions to change dramatically enough to make an eventual Ukrainian military victory possible, as many generals continue to claim, would require a radical shift from today’s realities. Beyond mere rhetoric, there is no evidence such a radical shift is forthcoming. It is therefore irresponsible, I argue, to tell the American people that the desired outcome is possible when all evidence screams that it’s not – and downright cruel to the Ukrainian Armed Forces and civilian population, to foster a belief that they have a chance.

    Should Washington Change Course?

    To have the best chance to protect America’s vital national interests and save as many Ukrainian people as possible from being killed, Washington must change course and begin to form policy based on a frank and honest assessment of the combat, economic, and diplomatic realities of this war. It will be hard to get to that rational place, however, unless we first recognize the consistently rosy pictures painted by America’s flag officers over the past few decades have been atrocious.

    My 21 years of active service in the U.S. Army, including four combat deployments, has put me in a position to personally observe many of the mistakes and bad judgments of both active and retired generals. The cumulative result of their frequently flawed advice has been uniformly bad for our country, resulting in some of the worst military and foreign policy decisions our country has made.

    Whether it was routine claims, made over a 20-year period, of success in the Afghan War when events conclusively proved it was always a disastrous failure, or perpetual claims of success during and after the 2003 Iraq war – before the Iraqi Security Forces the U.S. trained melted away at the first contact with the Islamic State – senior American military leaders have consistently misled the American public on the true state of affairs.

    Since virtually the beginning of the Ukraine-Russian war, American active and retired generals have consistently claimed that Russian troops were incompetent, that their troops were ill-disciplined, arrogant, unmotivated, and sometimes rebelled against their leaders and refused to fight. The Russians, many generals claimed, could not win, with Gen. Hodges claiming that Ukraine would begin rolling back Putin’s troops before the end of this summer.

    Yet Russia controls more than 20 percent of Ukrainian territory and continues conquering urban center after urban center in the Donbas, killing upwards of 200 troops per day, wounding another 500 in the process.

    Russia outguns Ukraine 20-1 in howitzers, 40-1 in artillery shells and Rockets, and has a significant advantage in air power. There is no rational basis upon which to claim that Ukraine can stop the Russians, much less roll them back.



    It is appropriate, in light of the awful record active and retired general officers have amassed over the past few decades, that both the media and public should give more scrutiny to future claims made by generals. It is understandable why many would give blanket trust to the word of a senior commander: they typically have 30-plus years of experience and have served at the highest levels. But evidence confirms that this trust has been misplaced and it is up to the generals to earn that trust back. Telling the truth and giving honest assessments would be a good place to start.

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    https://twitter.com/coope125/status/1545100794382491654


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    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/...13521184276482



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    About Snake Island

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    For those who are busy pretending something else happened, why don't we just go ahead and surrender our July Fourth holiday to:



    On July 4th, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin and reported on the progress of the Russian special operation in Ukraine. Shoigu reported on the liberation of the Luhansk People’s Republic which was declared on July 3rd.

    Within two weeks, 25 settlements fell under control of Russian-led forces, the largest of which are Severodonetsk, Zolotoye, Gorskoye, Volcheyarovka. The total area of 670 square kilometers was liberate from the Kiev military.


    Over the past two weeks, the losses of the Ukrainian army amounted to 5,469 people...


    On July 5, Russian Ministry of Defence claimed that over the past 10 days, 170 foreign mercenaries have been killed in Ukraine, 99 of others refused to take part in hostilities and left the territory of Ukraine.

    On July 4, the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the area of the town of Liman in the Mykolaiv region was destroyed by Russian missiles.

    On July 3, the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the base of foreign mercenaries on the northern outskirts of the city of Nikolaev destroyed up to 120 “soldiers of fortune”.



    These kind of corpses have been found shipped in from additional places, such as France, and no less than Mallorca. Tout pour le secours, eh?


    And here is a kind of national memory from Eric Zuesse:

    Going all the way back to U.S. President Harry S. Truman’s decision on 25 July 1945 for the U.S. Government henceforth to be devoted, above all else, to becoming the ultimate imperial power controlling the entire planet (today this is called “hegemony”), he then determined to establish in 1947 both the ‘Defense’ Department (which had previously been the fundamentally different “War Department” ever since 1789), and the CIA, in order to achieve this new, global-imperial, goal. No nation ever before in history, except Nazi Germany, had aspired to conquer, ultimately, the entire planet. They failed to achieve it. But America’s neoconservatives — and this includes the entirety of America’s Deep State — aspired to that, and are still determined to achieve it (mainly by means of foreign subversions, sanctions, coups, and proxy-armies, but also by means of direct U.S. invasions, whenever those means fail).



    Evidently after some turbulence in Kazakhstan, the president of Belarus said that NED and the CIA were next going to do Uzbekhistan, and:


    Indeed, less than 24 hours after Uzbekistan’s state of emergency announcement, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced that the Luhansk People’s Republic had come fully under Russian control, highly coincidental timing that suggests that the current strife in Uzbekistan has been orchestrated as a means to eventually lead to further destabilisation along Russia’s southern border, just as Lukashenko predicted.



    This is our new July 4th tradition.

    I am going to start a gang, and what you will do is not exactly harm the flag. I will give you an attachment and then you go around and fasten a double mast over the top of all the flags.


    The Cesar and Himars killed some, but far fewer, people than died in the operation to use them.

    Is there a bigger negative known in the history of man?

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    No one give an F what the US want's anymore, and let's be honest, this is the US all the way down the drain and above and with their slave states. There is no NATO as a defensive org, there is no 'international community', there is no west at all, it is all "the US and it's slave colonies"

    Let's call it by what they are, slave colonies, it has never been any different. In Mexico, there is a saying "No saludes con sombrero ajeno", and the US has done that since the end of WW2, salute with someone else's sombrero, since they took claim to winning WW2 and somehow every other dumb country followed the flawed line of thinking out of the nuclear bomb fear, which is why the US sacrified around 100,000 people in Japan. Just to be able to control the western world. It's "a bloody mess" since then, and we know why, 'democracy' is the name of it all, democracy to kill people who doesn't conform, democracy to destroy countries that may be more relevant than the US, democracy when someone says "i'll help my people first, then we can talk", democracy when regions decide they want to separate but not for the benefit of the US

    Democracy as death, is the major common good the US exports

    Ukraine is just another sample of it, except they didn't figure out they were trying to bite more than they could chew. Demo-crazy as every single person on that government is demented, and most of the west governments as well. They can't see it as they see themselves as "the best of the best of the best", but they are so mentally deluded, so dumb that it is a joke and a common one at that, all over the rest of the world

    https://t.me/SputnikInt/16499


    Meanwhile, Robo-Biden needs to keep it secret and uses only gov approved journalists, he can't handle a real interview since he's basically retarded. It's all a very well calculated script all the time, "read the pre-written answers to the pre-written questions, then read the funny notes and then go away in silence, don't speak anything on your own that is not on those notes"
    https://t.me/SputnikInt/16501


    Oh, i forgot the west has censored Sputnik news because they can't deal with the truth, so please use a proxy to read those, the full link is above them, thanks
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Scott Ritter speaking at the Ron Paul institute, today (4 July). Just 25 minutes, but energized, emphatic, and presenting a compelling argument that the US military is far weaker than it once was, NATO is far weaker than it once was, while the Russians have a formidable military machine that won't and can't be beaten — and therefore pretending otherwise is asking for a very great deal of trouble.

    I disagree in some aspects with Scott Ritter, mostly things i have seen myself or very close have learned about the Ukrainian army. But on this one, i agree with him perfectly, all the way from here i can see he

    1. Has a source on the China or Russian side
    2. Has found new info that changed some of his previous views
    3. After all these years, the full view is in front of him, he got there finally (He broke over the western dumb exceptionalism information wall)

    Here's why, all he says there, even the 'stupid kids' and plenty more, is not something he figured out, that's something that was perfectly planned since long ago

    I'll quote myself here, not to brag, but to show that he is actually very very correct on his views and intel

    I have to say that my english was terrible bad back then, much much more than now, so what a world salad lmao, but i think people will be able to understand the points in general, and this which i talked there, was mostly a thing we all know and work towards on this side. So this validates what he is saying, and look at the date, this is not knew info for us, but may be knew info, 'about the strategy' for a lot of other people. This is not anything we didn't knew and that's why i knew about it back then when i made that post. I wish i had been able to write it on a better way, as the way it turned out it's ridiculous, and a true word salad!

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1387947
    Quote I believe there is a great misunderstanding on what's going on these days on China, Russia and related countries/regions

    As it really stands right now, people on west have continued to believe that "communism" is a thing, and a danger for years and years to come. However, that's not even the case anymore, but please allow me to explain a bit

    On Russia, China and other "communist" countries, there is a movement growing, specifically in young people, which is named something like "uber-modernity"

    This is kind of communism, or socialistic beliefs, but not quite, it has dropped all they considered caused the last iteration to fail, specifically why the USSR died under its own weight

    There are several, multinational groups forming youth armies and reaching into students to teach this new approach to their world view, one that drops all the mistakes from the past, conforms a new view and philosophy around the old principles, while avoiding introducing the mistakes from the past and so on

    You can look more into that if you go search for stuff like the "Essence of Time" cult, among several others "youth armies" around those places

    *By the way i don't subscribe or belong to any, i just know about them

    What i see is this, most people in the west keep looking into communism as a danger, while most eastern young (8 to 28 or so) keep looking into how the communist view is obsolete and retarded, and push for a new view which the west is not even aware of

    By the time the west realizes that they were not looking at the right place, it will be too late, because most young people in the east believe the old communist views are done for, and they have their own views, which are not even acknowledged on the west, by own choice, or lack of. There is a complete view which is out of sync with reality

    While in the east most people learn about real hard history and prepare for a hard future (see the Russian youth army, or the Nashi), in the US at least more kids the same age can not even write their own language, much less understand implications of wars or politics and so

    While in the East a Nashi or youth army kid can disassemble a rifle and reassemble in 30 seconds, in the US kids can only watch Tiktok all day and talk half English written sentences and play with guns on games, while the eastern kids play with real guns and go take advanced classes of history, math and science

    Current US army stands around 1+ million soldiers, just alone, in Russia, the youth army is closing in on that number. This means, kids from 8 years to 17 are in the numbers of 800 thousand, all well prepared, all with high education, all ready for combat, and same in China and other eastern countries

    And example of this approach to life is something like this

    Western kid: 1+1 = 2
    Asian kid: 1 is followed by 1.1, then 1.2, then 1.3... and so on, until you reach 2

    Discernment among all things, clear understanding of the world is a must, not just to pass an exam, or have a high level view. This applies to every single aspect of life, since it's considered a good practice and commitment to excellence

    But this is inheritance of the elders on the west, there's no one else to blame, just to be clear on that and to be just, no one else caused it

    I believe, western countries are not even aware of what's really going on in the world. Communism, for the new people on the east, is ridiculously obsolete. Yet look at news channels and papers on western countries, it's funny, they still go by the old standards that matter nothing at all anymore. Once the new generation comes into power in both sides, one will be prepared, the other one will try to apply obsolete knowledge to people that don't even care anymore. That's what "being left behind" looks like in the end

    The only reason why western countries believe China is "communist" is because they can't understand what's happening and attempt to apply obsolete views into a country they can't understand at all, and that's why they continue to fall behind year after year. It is obvious if you look from the outside, but lamentably not so for people on the inside

    ETA:

    I guess what i'm really trying to say is this

    IF you would try to apply the current western understanding of communism to your own countries, it would be a total disaster, because even people on China and Russia, just threw it out to garbage bin

    In Russia, the Soviets are still around, claiming power and their money back, yet they kept saying back then, that those things did not matter In the end it did matter i guess

    The new concepts are completely unknown in western world, and i believe that's why people think those can be applied freely, if possible, however that's not and probably will never be the case "heaven forbid" lol. Repeating the same mistakes of the past is not a good thing to do

    Even after tons of decades, there's still a giant confusion about the difference between communism and socialism
    So anyway, i think a lot of people won't realize or take seriously what Scott Ritter says on that video, but he's so very close to the truth that i'm wondering if someone has shared something with him that he can't say in full but he's still working on, or is limited by the "i don't want to get suicided tomorrow" aspect of it all

    And just to be clear about something, and that you may find interesting, lots of years ago, even before i out of my country i did mention this specific thing, the weakness and dumbing down of the western people thing

    I got hit on the face with a truckload of western exceptionalism and arrogance the kind you probably have never seen in your entire life. It was like a fire fighter hose going full on lol, so i simply said "**** it then" and stopped talking about it

    It's cool to see that now some people who have a voice have started noticing and talking about it! This may actually make a change for the overall global good

    But, as usual, one step behind Scott Ritter, just simply by what you say 'you think' little green man were Westerners are always one step behind, but it's almost 8 years now. You by now should know what 'little green man' truly meant. And you got it all wrong. So see? It's always one step behind in understanding, no matter how much you learn, and i truly don't understand why, with all the info being out there in plain sight, even at the UN websites


    You are supposed to be the expert, not me. So how can it possibly be that i know more about it than you? I'm not here making a million dollars or giving conferences about Ukraine or this war, you are, look into the very root of it all and be exceptional, not just repeat 'facts'

    Little green man:

    Professional: yes
    Contract soldiers: some (we were not all 'contract' and no, it was not more 'honest') You are missing a giant part of what happened there, and this plays against you if you want to be taken seriously. It shows a lack of deep research Scott

    "We" is the keyword, you are still working from a very westernized point of view, but who could blame you, we all have a "we" side

    The thing is, if you want to truly get the other side, you need to stop thinking of "we" first. And then look at it from an entirely external point of view, so that there is no personal feeling involved, or nature or nothing preventing you from seeing it full face front as it truly is. "We" implies you are on one side, and then, you will never, ever, be able to see "the other side's view". You need to break apart from it, No American, no Ukrainian, no west, no east, nothing, just look at the facts, read more and ask more, then truth comes out, as ugly as it may be

    No "we" on any side
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    I have a better idea for Scott Ritter! Perhaps, as you have a voice out there, and you know all about how to communicate truths to people out there in the west. Then you may be able to research and share openly wide the following topics

    1. Who started the rebelion in Donbass in 2013/2014
    2. What kind of people (and they ages) were involved (were they Russians, or Ukrainians?, Kids or adults?)
    3. What drove them to rebel in the first place
    4. Who gave them the guns and tanks and rockets and ammo etc?
    5. What was truly the part Russia took in Luhansk and Donetsk at first and why Crimea was considered separate than the other regions? Even after all the massacre was happening daily over Donetsk?
    6. Little green man, Are you sure about what you think or know? You may have a very big black hole of knowledge right there. It will be up to you to figure that one out

    Yes, perhaps you can write a book about those facts. And you may also think of contacting Faina Savenkova, she has a lot to say about reality in Donbass, a reality you will never get to experience, or your family, and i don't know if you want to know or talk about it. But she can definitely say lots about it. She has talked about it with musicians, politicians, the pope and others, but they 'don't have enough time for her' as she is a 13 year old kid. And you know "an adult that doesn't have time to listen or care for what a little kid has to say, is an ignorant adult". I remember that path very well, by the way

    But maybe, these truths are not "Presentable" to the western public? Would a book talking about these realities that are never spoken about, be 'sellable'? Would you get 'cancelled'? Are you considering it at all?

    I do wonder, it's not like we are not out here since then and even way before. It's more like only acceptable terms and stories and partial (western compatible) knowledge that increases some kind of 'knowledge storage for the US, but not for the world, or for public global benefit' are always immediate to you all.

    You never talk about the thousand kids that Ukraine killed, or the immediate Nazi danger that is more than obvious by now. You also don't say "we are helping Nazis to kill kids in Donetsk and we pretend we are not doing that", for just a couple examples

    But you do sell a book about your experiences and knowledge. But it is always inside the American exceptionalism bubble you live on. You never break apart from it much

    Even saying "the US would lose a war against Russia" means only you want to bring up the fact that you know the same thing i know, that the US is generations behind in this game. Is not as to say "stop it right now!" it is more like "i want people to know i know my stuff" and then as a second one "I want people to change it so that we do something about it and be on top once more".

    It is never about "Let's stop this madness and stop trying to kill each other, regardless of which side we are on"

    You are, in that way, "western exceptionalist". You don't seem to care for the human end result, only for you or your country to come out on top at the end, no matter what. Most politicians say: Some of you will die, but that's i don't care as long as we come on top. Do you agree with that? Your message seems to say "i do"

    And that's lamentable and sad

    And you will indeed lose, not because of us, but because you still are inside the exceptionalism bubble, and you are going to miss your chance, you focused too much into "we vs them". The very reason the cold war existed in the first place. You still live under that, but on your videos you explain it in nicer, modern words/views, yet i can see all through them. "The land is unchanged"

    You may think i'm inexperienced, or a child, and i don't care, i can indeed say i am both and that will remain unchanged for as long as i can keep it that way

    But i also have this to say, something you forgot long ago maybe. I don't know



    I will rather be once more a child soldier, than end up ignoring reality because it plays nicer to my goals than what i know it's going on out there

    I know what is truly going out there, and the smell of blood on the street, i know that one probably better than you will ever know.

    So yes, i rather "do this, than that"
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    You live in a world of adults "making adult choices" and we live in a world of child soldiers making life and death adult choices

    You don't stand a change against us, you lost long ago
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    I don't know who this guy is, but if what he is saying is true, get ready folks, it's gonna be interesting.

    Give it a listen, it's under 4 minutes.

    Perhaps some of you know who this guy is.

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