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"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops at all."
- - - - Emily Elizabeth Dickinson. 🪶💜
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"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops at all."
- - - - Emily Elizabeth Dickinson. 🪶💜
"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops at all."
- - - - Emily Elizabeth Dickinson. 🪶💜
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"Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul and sings the tune without the words and never stops at all."
- - - - Emily Elizabeth Dickinson. 🪶💜
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*Мисс ЯщерицаPosted by loungelizard (here)
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Interesting … it doesn’t seem that you use the same degree of scrutiny when it comes to other sources quoted on this thread.
You’re happy to accept without question the word of Maria Zakharova, the Kremlin’s press officer, or TASS, or some faceless and
nameless bloke on Twitter. Do you have a problem with these NGOs because that both Amnesty and HRW have been accused
of anti-Western and anti-Israel bias?
Neither Amnesty nor HRW are perfect - they’re run by human beings, so of course they are flawed.
They are run by western superiority, and shall we say deceit by HRW assisting Syria's color revolutions for John McCain.
No, actually, "foreign propaganda" does not require the same "scrutiny" as anything from western sources.
You are witnessing the effects of Propaganda, which is the transfer of Reputation, having only limitedly to do with objective facts, which the individual cannot possibly make determinations about them all.
We are in an Empire of Lies. All I am trying to do is remove that capability, whether it means the Chinese NWO "takes over the world", or, you live in a desert, or, colonize an asteroid, or anything else you may be afraid of.
It is not feasible to say "accept without question", nor obviously would I have a problem if I thought Amnesty was effective at removing Zionism. So your guesses are wrong.
If you think Saints are a myth, I am not sure we can reach you at all. The main point is to silence the western echo chamber. It is not so much that NGOs are not paragons of virtue, they are tentacles for Capitalism to undermine humanity. For example, "New World Order" is a private company launched in 1980, behind what would be "Happytalism". That is the whole point of them. Penetration. Take the media, the schools, the industry, etc., in the guise of Democracy.
Against this, appearing in the English language in 1881:
The white race must be the first to stretch out the hand of fellowship to the dark nations...
...that curse known as the "struggle for life," which is the real and most prolific parent of most woes and sorrows and of all the crimes? Why has that struggle become the almost universal scheme of the universe?
...each of them, always with that one solitary exception, has through its hells and damnations inculcated the greatest dread of death. Therefore do we find that struggle for life raging most fiercely in Christian countries, most prevalent in Europe and America.
Those "intellectual classes," reacting upon the ignorant masses which they attract and which look up to them as noble and fit examples to follow, degrade and morally ruin those they ought to protect and guide.
The world in general and Christendom especially, left for two thousand years to the regime of a personal God as well as its political and social systems based on that idea, has now proved a failure.
Let us hold our breath and swallow whole the following observations from veteran German statesman Oskar Lafontaine:
“Of course, I also mean the conflict in Ukraine, which began with the Maidan putsch in Kiev in 2014. Since then, the US and its Western vassals have been arming Ukraine and systematically preparing it for confrontation with Russia. Ukraine thus became a de facto, if not de jure, member of NATO. This backstory has been studiously ignored by Western politicians and the mainstream media,” Lafontaine told Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten in an interview published Sunday.
“For more than 100 years, it has been the declared aim of US policy to prevent German business and technology from merging with Russian raw materials at all cost. It is perfectly clear that, if you take this history into account, we are dealing with a US proxy war against Russia which has been prepared for a long time,” Lafontaine said.
“It is unforgivable that the SPD in particular betrayed the legacy of Willy Brandt and his policy of détente, and did not even seriously insist on compliance with the Minsk Agreements,” the politician said, referring to the 2015 peace agreements meant to restore peace to the Donbass.
Lafontaine slammed the German government over its limp-wristed response to the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, which he characterized as a “declaration of war on Germany.” It was “pathetic and cowardly” of the federal government to try to “sweep incident under the carpet,” despite evidence that “the USA either carried out the attack directly or greenlit it,” the politician said.
“It was a hostile act against the Federal Republic, and not only against us, and once again makes clear that we must free ourselves from American tutelage,” Lafontaine stressed. The politician pressed his country’s leaders to force the removal of all US military bases and nuclear weapons from German soil, and called for the creation of a European security architecture with France, separate from NATO, which he called an “obsolete” alliance that acts as a “tool to enforce the US’s claim to remain the sole power in the world.”
Lafontaine admitted that freeing Germany from Washington’s grip wouldn’t be easy, but stressed that he can’t see “any alternative” to such a radical step. “If we and other European countries continue to remain under US tutelage, they will push us over a cliff to protect their own interests,” he said.
“To use a hackneyed expression: We are experiencing the birth pangs of the transitional phase from a unipolar to a multipolar world order. And the question arises whether we will have a place of our own in this new world order, or be drawn into Washington’s conflicts with Moscow and Beijing as American vassals,” the politician emphasized.
Recalling his decades of experience in politics, Lafontaine lamented in decades past, German leaders, “at least in some conflicts, had German interests in mind, and did not throw them overboard in anticipatory obedience” to Washington. “You need to have a backbone when you are the head of a country. The image of Chancellor Scholz standing like a schoolboy next to President Biden when he announced that nothing would come of Nord Stream 2 was humiliating.”
Ukraine Disaster
Asked whether he believed Washington has achieved its aims in Ukraine, Lafontaine said that the answer was both “yes and no,” with the principle successes being the ruined relations between Russia and the European Union, and the “sidelining” of Berlin and Brussels “as the US’s potential geostrategic and economic rivals, for the time being.”
“They are setting the policies of EU states even more than before the Ukraine conflict (thanks also to compliant politicians in Berlin and Brussels). They can also sell their dirty fracking-derived gas, and the US defense industry is doing great business,” the politician said.
“On the other hand, they have not succeeded in ‘ruining Russia’, as [German Foreign Minister Annalena] Baerbock put it…overthrowing [Vladimir] Putin and installing a puppet government in Moscow to get better access to Russian raw materials, as was the case in [Boris] Yeltsin’s time,” Lafontaine said.
“And I have the impression that Washington has now realized that they are biting on granite here. Despite massive arms deliveries to Ukraine and the dispatch of numerous ‘military advisors’, Russia, which is a nuclear power, cannot be defeated militarily. In addition, Western sanctions are proving to be a boomerang: they hurt Western states more than Russia and will cause deindustrialization, unemployment and poverty. Working people in Europe are paying the price for the world power ambitions of a mad elite in Washington and the cowardice of European leaders,” Lafontaine concluded.
Information from the Delta C&C system shows:
The leaked documents confirmed that the Kakhovskaya dam was among the targets to destroy.
In its turn, the Russian side has all means to divide Ukraine in two parts by several missile strikes on the bridges and dams on the Dnieper River. Such attacks would leave the Ukrainian military without possibility to transfer any military equipment and personnel to the war-torn regions in the East. Such attacks would immediately bring Russia victory in the war in Ukraine and would save lives of Russian servicemen. However, the destruction of Ukrainian dams would also claim lives of hundreds of civilians. That’s why the Russian military does not launch its missiles on such facilities.
The ongoing war in Ukraine has already shown that Russia is fighting to protect people, while the United States and NATO pay no attention to the cost of human lives in the war they have ignited in Ukraine.
Elsewhere, for NATO of Kharkov:
The reinforcement was mainly made up of foreign military, including former soldiers of the Bosnian and Albanian armies, as well as soldiers from the 2nd Infantry Division “Getica” and the 2nd Mountain Rifle Brigade “Sarmizegetuza” from Romania.
The command of the operation, presumably, was entrusted to Polish officers from Rzeszow, who had previously served in the 21st the Podgalski rifle brigade.
On November 26, the Russian military reported a high-precision missile strike on the temporary deployment of Polish mercenaries near the village of Velikiye Khutora in the Kharkov region. Out of about 1,000 mercenaries, several hundred were killed and seriously injured.
Sorry - I thought you’d realise that was a joke (the smiley face was a hint …). I was being ironic - you made your views on Zionism quite clear earlier in this thread.Posted by shaberon (here)
... nor obviously would I have a problem if I thought Amnesty was effective at removing Zionism.
Now that is a bold statement! It’s obviously one with which I completely disagree, but it explains a lot about what I’ve read on this thread, so thank you.Posted by shaberon (here)
No, actually, "foreign propaganda" does not require the same "scrutiny" as anything from western sources.
I would have responded to more of your post- I’m not ignoring you, but I’m afraid that the rest of it went straight over my head
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It’s миссис, not мистер.Posted by Mashika (here)
Domo Arigato, мистер ящерица
Lol i wondered, thanks for letting me know, but i hoped you would correct me if i was wrong
I have a question, if you look at the recent Grad shelling of Donetsk, which hit homes and civilian structures only, what are your thoughts, considering this:
- HIMARS and other MLRS like Grad, are offensive weapons, you don't use those for defensive positions in almost 99% of cases due to the nature of the system. It is meant to hit lots of targets at once but it requires to know exactly what you will hit, specially for the HIMARS, otherwise it causes massive destruction but it may not cause any harm to the attacking troops as they move around. It is more specializes for usages such as hitting stationary/static targets, like buildings and such
- Given that it is an offensive, and not a defensive weapon, it's usage against civilian structures is considered 'aggression' and in no way a defensive move. For it to be a defensive move, it would have to target a silo or another building or possibly even barracks where the enemy is located. It will also be used as defensive only if you shoot at them a barrage of shells and they pinpoint your location and send a barrage of himars or grads your way, that would be 'defensive' in action, since the 'enemy' started firing and then you respond
So, if a city with only civilians is hit by a barrage of grads, meant for offensive action, and there was no enemy there. Is that a war crime?
It doesn't necessarily have to be HIMAR or Grad rockets, you can get the same effect with 152/155 shells from a Howitzer if close enough to the target. The main or key issue here is, the target was a city full of civilians, hit at random which was just standing there and from where no attack was launched against the Ukrainian forces.
What are your thoughts on this event? How do you catalog this action?
The UN has not provided any comment on it, or has done it's usual tweet about condemning this attack against civilian population. Would you condemn the Ukrainian forces for what is clearly a well documented war crime by now? With video and other evidence already collected?
Second question, why do you think the entire west is silent about this shelling?
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The reason i'm saying this is because of this
MLRS are not just some gun you pick up and shoot around. To shoot an MLRS, you need to know several things like distance, altitude, frequency of the target moving, and other things like if you truly need to shoot at that target, as in, what value is there to shoot at a couple soldiers that may survive the Grads, because Grad rockets are not perfect and it's just like a terror weapon, they are not precise enough to kill some couple guys hiding inside a trench, you need to hit a bigger area like a camp or a set of buildings, or a tank base with lots of tanks distributed across hundreds of meters, or maybe a small forest section with IFVs hiding inside, see?
So, someone has to calculate the coordinates in advance, make sure the target is still there, position the MLRS battery and then confirm all the data is correct, this is done with drones or with forward observers, and only then, you shoot for effect
This implies intent, not a quick 'defensive' action done out of trying to respond to enemy fire. Because as i said, MLRS are not a defensive weapon, those are offensive in nature. Hope this makes more clear what i'm asking here
So i would love to read your thoughts on that
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