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    JUST IN - Following the pressure drop in Nord Stream 2, a pressure drop has now also been recorded in both lines of Nord Stream 1, the operator says.

    https://t.me/disclosetv/9351

    More on this story (and probably much more to come today), at the following links, plus many more mainstream news articles:

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    What Is the US Hiding about Biolabs in Ukraine?

    https://rumble.com/v1lmto3-what-is-t...n-ukraine.html


    The Russian Ministry of Defense just released a video about the US/Deep State biological network in Ukraine and @Clandestine on TRUTHSocial has kindly translated the slides for us on his Substack:

    Slide 1: What is the US hiding about biolabs in Ukraine?

    Slide 2: Russia presented proof of US military biological activities in Ukraine.

    Slide 3: Americans have spent over $250 million since 2005, according to the Defense Department.

    Slide 4: Including for the construction and modernization of biological laboratories.

    Slide 5: They are coordinated by the US Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA).

    Slide 6: The Americans do not deny the fact of cooperation with Kyiv.

    Slide 7: Although they say their goal was to improve the epidemiological situation in Ukraine,

    Slide 8: But they don’t explain how it fits in with the research of potential biological operations,

    Slide 9: As well as economically significant infections.

    Slide 10: Another priority for biolabs was the collection and export to the United States.

    Slide 11: Strains of pathogens of dangerous infectious diseases – anthrax, cholera, tularemia.

    Slide 12: Biological material was also exported to other countries.

    Slide 13: The samples, themselves with hazardous bioagents were often improperly stored.

    Slide 14: The Ministry of Defense also drew attention to the fact that various studies were often carried out

    Slide 15: On socially-unprotected categories of Ukrainian citizens.

    Slide 16: At the same, back in 2013, Ukraine tried to curtail the biological projects of the Pentagon.

    Slide 17: But had to give in under pressure from Washington.

    Slide 18: Neither the United States nor Ukraine have been able to provide conclusive evidence.

    Slide 19: That their cooperation is beneficial.

    Slide 20: Just as Kyiv could not explain why it began to destroy documents,

    Slide 21: About joint military biological activities with the Americans.

    This is an information operation by the Russian military that is simplifying the discoveries from their mission in Ukraine for a broad audience with small, digestible, visual aides.


    Clandestine writes:

    Regardless of if these allegations are true or not (all the evidence suggests that they are), the reality is, that the People of the Eastern world are being normalized to believe that Biden and the US were creating bioweapons in Ukraine, and the Western People are largely oblivious to the allegations as a whole.

    Also, keep in mind that the Russian Foreign Ministry and Russian Legislators expect a conclusion to their final report to the UN in the “fall”. It’s fall. The timing of this video suggests that things may be coming that the broader public need to be introduced to.

    Also, be sure to recognize that Trump has not appeared anywhere near any of the allegations or reports. Russia continue to direct the activity at Biden and the DNC specifically. Russia went out of their way to make sure the word knows Trump is excluded from these allegations. Which, whether these allegations are true or not, proves there is some level of alliance, truce, or agreement of some kind, between Trump and Putin.

    This video also proves that the allegations are not going away. Russian MIL have been pushing this heavily for approximately 7 months now. Providing consistent evidence to the UN. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. This isn’t a baseless disinformation campaign. Putin and Russia are serious about this, they were willing to go to war over it, and now Putin claims they are willing to use his entire arsenal to neutralize this global threat.

    This problem isn’t going away. If Russia continue to be ignored, they will resort to alternative solutions if diplomacy fails. The world teeters on the brink of nuclear destruction.


    Alexandra Bruce


    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v1j0nqv
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    An excellent, detailed article by James Tweedie on The Saker's blog.
    Will The Ukraine De-Militarise Itself?

    Back in August 2022 I wrote that NATO was ‘demilitarising’ itself, sending such huge amounts of arms to the Ukraine before and during the Russian special military operation (SMO) that its armies had nothing left to fight with.

    That process has continued, with Slovenia, the northernmost of the former federal republics of Yugoslavia, sending its entire armoured vehicle fleet to Kiev. The last scrapings of the barrel, just announced, are 28 M-55S tanks. These are modernised Soviet-designed T-55s with some Israeli explosive-reactive armour (ERA) blocks added. But underneath that they’re still a 1950s design, four generations behind the latest Russian tanks.

    The question now is: can those arms sustain the Ukrainian military effort? And if the Ukraine, the buffed-up proxy for all NATO and the Five Eyes countries too, is losing the war, when will Russia and its Donbass republican allies achieve victory?

    I was born in the mid-1970s, during the Cold War, and I grew up under he shadow of the mushroom cloud. So I must confess to being one of those who were anxious for this conflict to be over quickly, before the nuclear powers came to blows. But one can’t hurry history.

    War of Attrition

    In his bombshell speech on the morning of 21st September 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin explained that the apparent slow progress of the SMO by the need to unpick the Gordian Knot of hardened defences the Ukrainian Nazi battalions built up on the front line over eight years.

    “A head-on attack against them would have led to heavy losses,” Putin said, “which is why our units, as well as the forces of the Donbass republics, are acting competently and systematically, using military equipment and saving lives, moving step by step to liberate Donbass.”

    Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu gave a televised interview the same morning. He gave extremely specific figures for both Russian and Ukrainian military casualties. “Our losses to date are 5,937 dead,” he said, but added that 90 per cent of the wounded had recovered and returned to duty.

    According to Shoigu, Ukraine has lost 61,207 killed and 49,368 wounded (a total of 110,575 casualties) from an initial military strength of 201-202 thousand. The caveat to that that the Ukraine has conscripted hundreds of thousands of men into territorial defence units since the start of the conflict. That’s greater than a ten-to-one ratio of Ukrainian to Russian casualties

    Shoigu also said that over the previous three weeks — since the launch of Kiev’s counter-offensives in Kherson and Kharkov — the Ukrainians had lost more than 7,000 men and 970 pieces of heavy equipment, including 208 tanks, 245 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), 186 other armoured vehicles, 15 aircraft and four helicopters.

    That amounts to about 60 per cent of the roughly 350 tanks, and three-quarters of the 328 IFVs, supplied by Western countries since February 24. If one lumps armoured personnel carriers (APCs) in with IFVs, Shoigu is still talking about 30 per cent losses of NATO-supplied heavy armour.

    Kiev is preparing for or has already begun more counter-offensives towards Lisichansk in the LPR, Donetsk city, from Ugledar to the south to Mariupol and towards Berdyansk or Melitopol in Zaporozhye oblast. Russian aircraft, missiles and artillery are already hitting the groups of forces concentrated for that. If those offensives go the same way as the others, surely the Ukrainians will soon run out of both men and machines, right?

    Blogger and YouTuber Andrei Martyanov, a Russian who served in the Soviet armed forces, is not worried about about how long it takes to get the SMO over and done with. He has argued that his countrymen can win simply by waiting for the Ukrainians to throw themselves onto their bayonets, until they run out of bodies.

    With all due respect, allow me to sound a note of scepticism: that assumes that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and his Western backers care how many die, or that the Ukrainian people (more than 8 million of whom are now scattered across Europe and even further afield) have the inclination and the opportunity to rise up against the fascist death-squad state.

    The daily Russian Ministry of Defence body-count of hundreds of the miserable ‘territorial defence’ conscripts along the Donbass line — untrained and barely-armed middle-aged men press-ganged in the street — is not much of an indicator of progress.

    It’s the territorial gains, no matter how slow, that matter. Russia cannot just count on the Ukrainians to suicidally ‘demilitarise’ themselves.

    Putin’s announcement of a “partial mobilisation” of 300,000 army reservists was warmly welcomed by pro-Russian social media commentators. It is hard to exaggerate the importance of this, coupled with the referenda in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson on reunification with Russia.

    But there are caveats. State Duma Defence Committee chairman Andrey Kartapolov clarified that those troops would be deployed to defend the country’s borders and to create “operational depth” — in other words as a second defensive echelon. Martyanov argues that will free up regular front-line troops to conquer more territory. But it remains unclear how many of them were deployed to begin with.

    Eyes on the Prize

    So what is Russia trying to achieve in the Ukraine? Putin said in his Wednesday morning speech that the main task was to defend the Russian-speaking people of the Donbass. That implies capturing the whole of the oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    But some ‘stretch goals’ may be added, including forging a land corridor to the Crimea and maybe even Transnistria, the Russian protectorate in Moldova.

    Russia’s other main aim was to stop the Ukraine from joining NATO. That would allow the US to base nuclear weapons just 300 miles from Moscow in a position to launch a first strike attack.

    US President Joe Biden’s response to Putin at the UN General Assembly later that day included the comment that “a nuclear war cannot be won — and must never be fought.” While true, that observation was shamelessly hypocritical. It was likely only made out of fear after Putin’s warning that Russia takes national defence and nuclear deterrence seriously.

    Securing the Ukraine’s neutrality is not just part of “demilitarisation”: it could also be called “de-Nazification”, since NATO and its shadow the European Union (EU) were behind the 2014 coup by the Azov battalion and their ilk.

    But Russia needs a legitimately-elected head of state to sign up to that, and right now that man is Zelensky. A peace deal struck with any military junta which might depose the comedian-turned-president would only be denounced by the next elected leader.

    Even if a new civilian government was elected on a pro-peace, non-alignment platform (as Zelensky was), it would only last as long as it took the US, UK and EU to organise a repeat of the 2004-05 ‘Orange Revolution’ and the 2014 ‘Euromaidan’ coups d’etat.

    The crazy Ukro-Nazis and their enablers have to ‘own’ the peace and the agreement to cede the Donbass and Crimea — and thereby lose all credibility.

    But the Ukraine had already lost the Crimea and effective control over the Donbass before the SMO even kicked off. Kiev won’t sign any peace deal unless it has something else to lose. If Moscow is also serious about readmitting Zaporozhye and Kherson to the Russian motherland following a ‘Yes’ vote in the coming referenda, then there’s nothing to bargain with there either. Russia may need to capture other territories to use as bargaining chips.

    To do so, it would have to inflict a defeat on the Ukrainian armed forces that would force them to retreat — not only from Donetsk and Lugansk but from other areas, maybe all the way back to the Dnieper river that divides the country in two.

    Such a victory can’t be won unless Russia regains the initiative and actively starts pushing the Ukrainian armed forces back.

    The Great M.I.C. Cash-In

    The Kiev regime’s aims are clearly to keep grifting off its Western sponsors as long as possible, before fleeing to the sunny tax havens where they have billions stashed. But what does the West really want out of this war?

    The stated aims of Washington and friends are to defend Ukraine’s territory and sovereignty (code for invading the Donbass and Crimea and ethnically cleansing them), along with its non-existent “right” to become a NATO launchpad, to “weaken” Russia militarily (by causing as many casualties as possible) and to put “international pressure” on Putin (economic warfare with the goal of regime change).

    One should avoid making predictions, but let’s say the US and its satellites fail in all of that (since they have done so far). What will they try to win as a consolation prize?

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, an unelected bureaucrat who made a huge mess of her previous job as German defence minister, has vowed that sanctions on Russia will continue for years to come. That the sanctions are crippling the economies of EU member states, especially her home country, doesn’t seem to bother UVDL. And seeing the EU and its appointed commissioners are increasingly imposing their foreign policy diktats on the 27 governments, she might get her way.

    More importantly, NATO desperately needs to save face — now that it has exposed by Russia as a paper tiger. Hence the triumphant crowing over moves, far from complete, to grant existing de-facto allies Sweden and Finland formal membership.

    The West may try to claim a kind of moral victory on the basis that it may take Russia more than a year to defeat ‘brave little Ukraine’, or be forced to wipe out most of its military-age male population to win. But whose idea was that? Zelensky, Biden and all other Western leaders have made that bed.

    But NATO is really just a pyramid scheme to sell overpriced Western, especially US, arms to its vassals. And therein lies a contradiction, because the US military-industrial complex (MIC) has competition from those of the UK, Germany, France and even Sweden — a country with a smaller population than the city of Moscow.

    The Ukraine has used the referenda on unification with Russia as the latest pretext to demand Germany donate its newest models of Leopard 2 tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles. But why doesn’t Kiev ask the US for some of its M1 Abrams and M2 Bradleys instead? The Pentagon has many more to spare.

    The truth is that neither Germany nor the US can afford to have its supposedly-invincible wunderwaffen shown up, and blown up, in battle with Russian forces. Despite weighing only two-thirds as much as the US and German behemoths, the Russian tanks have about the same effective armour protection — thanks to state-of-the-art ERA technology — and guns of equal destructive power. And there are a lot more Russian tanks, anti-tank missiles, attack jets and helicopters on the battlefield in the Ukraine.

    The US has only managed to sell the M1 to eight other countries, compared to 18 for the Leopard 2. The export model of the Abrams is ‘Nerfed’ by removing the depleted uranium rods from its composite armour, so countries like Australia and Saudi Arabia get sub-par tanks. The only overseas customer for the British Challenger 2 is Oman, while the French Leclerc tank has been exported to the United Arab Emirates and Jordan.

    By contrast, the Russian T-72 is currently in service in 40 countries, including both Russia and the Ukraine. Like the Russian intervention in Syria, the war in the Ukraine could prove to be a serious marketing tool for the Russian arms industry — eating the US MIC’s lunch.

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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)

    Once you choose sides you are participating and condoning in the murder and destruction of war. Once you have chosen sides you have become a willing pawn in the system, you might as well be on the battlefield with a weapon.


    Very hard to repudiate that statement but I'd admit to finding neutrality very hard with this situation.

    However, I would say this, and have said this to folks when it's come up in conversation and in particular directed at those who have swallowed the pernicious and hypocritical flim flam promulgated via the legacy media over here:

    (Quote): "This isn't a football (soccer) game; you don't get to pick sides. You get to find out the reasons why this is all happening. Period." (Endquote)

    The inference there should be don't dare talk to me about this until you've done some homework and you may well feel differently when you have, made that effort. (The 'you' is most certainly not aimed at you, it's a general use of the word.)

    That's aimed at anyone who comes within my orbit who activates my irritation button and may present as a Nazi-sympathiser, or blue and yellow flag waving jerk who hasn't invested any time at all in trying to learn and understand.

    I appreciate what you have written here in the whole post. I do understand truly where you're at here.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    The Nord Stream [probable] sabotage may need its own thread. (I'll move posts from here if need be. )

    Meanwhile, here's an excellent summary from The Moon of Alabama, suggesting this is Poland's action, supported (of course) by the US.
    The War On Germany Just Entered Its Hot Phase

    Just yesterday I laid out how the U.S. is winning its war on Europe's industries and people.

    That war, hidden behind the U.S. created Ukraine crisis, is designed to destroy Europe's manufacturing advantage compared to the U.S. It is more likely though to strengthen the economic position of China and other Asian economies.

    I have argued that Germany must open the Nord Stream II pipeline which can bring Russian natural gas to Germany without crossing other countries' territory. It must also allow Siemens to repair the defect Nord Stream I compressors. It is in fact inevitable if German's industry is to survive.

    Others have come to similar conclusion and decided to sabotage the pipelines to make their re-opening impossible:
    Three offshore lines of the Nord Stream gas pipeline system have sustained "unprecedented" damage in one day, Nord Stream AG, the operator of the network, said on Tuesday in what one German official has suggested is a "targeted attack”. Nord Stream 2 suffered a gas leak which was then followed by a drop of pressure on Nord Stream 1. The company also said that it was impossible to estimate when the gas network system's working capability would be restored.
    The simultaneous sub sea damage to three pipelines is obviously not an accident.
    A German economy official told Tagesspiegel: "We can't imagine a scenario that isn't a targeted attack." They added: "Everything speaks against a coincidence."

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    The war mongers at the British Telegraph claim without any evidence or logic that Russia is the culprit:
    Russian sabotage to gas supplies to Europe is feared after three offshore lines of the Nord Stream pipeline system suffered “unprecedented” damage in a single day.
    ...
    Russia has withheld gas supplies to Europe as it seeks to hit back for Western sanctions imposed for the illegal invasion of Ukraine. German newspapers reported sources saying the leaks were as a result of a "targeted attack".
    As stated in yesterday's piece the claim that Russia is withholding gas from Europe is outright false:
    Nord Stream II was created to make Germany independent from pipelines running through Poland and the Ukraine. Blocking it was the most stupid thing for Germany to do and thus chancellor Scholz did it. In the following months Poland blocked the Yamal pipeline which also brought Russian gas to Germany. Ukraine followed up with cutting off two Russian pipelines. The main compressor stations of the Nord Stream I pipeline, which the German company Siemens had build and has the maintenance contract, failed one after the other. Sanction are prohibiting Siemens from repairing them.
    It is not Russia that has blocked its gas and oil from European markets. It were the German, Polish and Ukrainian governments that did it.
    Russia would in fact be happy to sell more. Putin has recently again offered to push as much Russian gas as possible through Nord Stream II to Germany: ...
    If Russia were to cut pipelines in the Baltic Sea it would damage those that bring Norwegian gas to Europe, not the pipelines it owns and which give it some leverage.

    Russia thus surely has no plausible interest in sabotaging the Nord Stream system. Others though do have such interests. They likely want Germany to 'stay in line' with their war to Decolonize Russia. The major potential actors behind this are the U.S., the British, the Ukrainian and the Polish government or a mixture of those.

    Geography, and the shallow depth of the Baltic Sea, seem to exclude that a U.S. or British submarines did the damage. Ukraine does not have access to the Baltic Sea. Poland, which had already tried to prevent or hinder the Nord Stream II construction, is the most likely actor behind this though I doubt that it would dare to act alone.

    Consider this from April 2021:
    The developers of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline have accused foreign naval forces of "provocative" activity in the vicinity of construction work. The controversial pipeline is about 93 percent complete, and two Russian pipelay vessels are on station and working on the project in Danish waters. Andrei Minin, the branch director of Gazprom-run Nord Stream 2 AG, told TASS that "foreign warships and vessels were demonstrating higher activity" near the operation, and that "such actions are provocative and can lead to gas pipeline damage." He also accused Poland of deploying a military M-28 patrol aircraft to survey the site.
    "The Polish Navy is not conducting provocative operations and has been carrying out its statutory tasks in agreement with international laws," responded the Polish Army's central command in a social media post. "M-28B Bryza planes regularly conduct patrol flights in the Baltic Sea region."
    Poland strongly opposes the development of Nord Stream 2, which will give Gazprom a subsea alternative route for supplying natural gas to Western European customers. At present, that gas has to pass through overland pipeline networks in Poland and Ukraine, bringing in valuable transit fees and providing both nations - which do not always have cordial relations with Russia - a measure of energy security.
    Followed by this from May 2021:
    Poland has reacted angrily to President Joe Biden’s decision to waive US sanctions on Nord Stream II, warning the move could threaten energy security across Central and Eastern Europe. “The information is definitely not positive from the security point of view, as we know perfectly that Nord Stream II is not only a business project – it is mostly a geopolitical project,” said Piotr Muller, a spokesman for the Polish government.
    On February 7 Biden stated (vid) that he would decided if Nord Stream II opens and on February 27 he sanctioned the company owning it.

    Under its current rightwing leadership Poland has been extremely hostile to Germany. This month it even renewed is demand for war reparations from Germany, an issue that had been settle decades ago:
    Poland’s top politician said Thursday that the government will seek equivalent of some $1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany for the Nazis’ World War II invasion and occupation of his country. Jaroslaw Kaczynski, leader of the Law and Justice party, announced the huge claim at the release of a long-awaited report on the cost to the country of years of Nazi German occupation as it marks 83 years since the start of World War II.
    ...
    Germany’s Foreign Ministry said Thursday the government’s position remains “unchanged” in that “the question of reparations is concluded.”
    “Poland long ago, in 1953, waived further reparations and has repeatedly confirmed this waiver,” the ministry said in an emailed response to a Associated Press query about the new Polish report.
    It is high time for the German government to wake up and to recognize that a war has been launched against its country.

    And no. It is not Russia that is waging it.

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    ...

    ... the war on the people:
    From Jim Stone:
    A brit lays it all out: We are getting scammed.

    Britain is energy independent, Britain does not get any gas from Russia or America, Britain gets it from the North Sea, and gas is not even the big contributor to British energy, over 50 percent of Britsh energy comes from wind and nuclear, and then there's hydroeletric also. The war in Ukraine did not affect Britain in any way. Absolutely nothing changed on the British energy scene other than high level scammers arbitrarily jacking up prices in a great big "blame Russia" con job.

    [...]

    That said, Nord Stream 2 dropped from 105 bar to 7 bar overnight . . . . .


    so something is going on there . . . . . rumor has it that it is leaking into the water off the Danish coast, HMM, would that be the work of an American submarine??? All the MSM outlets are now calling the pipeline "defunct". So it is probably under attack and they are going to blame all the damage on Russia not maintaining it. Some outlets are still reporting that it dropped from 300 bar to 7 bar but corrections are being made, 300 bar is a nearly unachievable pressure. High pressure long range gas pipelines typically operate between 70 and 100 bar, I'd attribute operating at even 105 bar to the typical Russian tendencies towards lower safety margins.

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    Published a few minutes ago:
    Undersea 'blasts' recorded at same time Russia-Germany gas pipelines damaged

    The Kremlin and others say they can't rule out sabotage after "unprecedented" damage was caused to both Nord Streams 1 and 2 - a day before a new pipeline from Norwegian gas fields carrying gas to Europe is due to open.



    The Nord Stream pipeline network, part of which supplies Germany with gas from Russia, has been damaged in three places, its operator has said.

    The damage to the system on the bed of the Baltic Sea - all caused in one day - was "unprecedented", Nord Stream AG added.

    The Kremlin said it could not rule out sabotage as a cause of the damage, while other authorities are investigating.

    The Danish energy authority also said it could be a deliberate act, as any event like this was "extremely rare".

    And a European security source told Reuters: "There are some indications that it is deliberate damage. You have to ask: Who would profit?"

    Meanwhile, a reading from a nearby seismograph, which records vibrations on the planet's surface, was later found to show spikes at similar times to when the losses in pressure in the pipes were first recorded, according to a German geology research centre.

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    ...

    ... First Images Of 'Gas Bubbles' From Nord Stream Leak In Baltic Sea

    by Tyler Durden
    Tuesday, Sep 27, 2022 - 03:10 PM

    Update (0932ET):
    Swedish broadcaster SVT reported that the Swedish National Seismic Network detected two underwater explosions near the Nord Stream pipeline system on Monday.
    "One of the explosions had a magnitude of 2.3, and was registered at as many as 30 measuring stations in southern Sweden," SVT said.
    Bjorn Lund, a professor in seismology and director of the Swedish National Seismic Network, said these two seismic events were explosions.

    Here's a map of the three leaks on the Nord Stream pipeline system.



    Bloomberg's Javier Blas said the size of the "gas leak is huge."

    * * *
    Update (0920ET):
    Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbaldet quoted the Swedish Defense Force's chief of operations, Michael Claesson, who said it's not ruled out that there's a connection to the gas leaks and Russia's mobilization last week.

    Claesson then told the paper that the incident was a "military matter."

    * * *
    Update (0910ET):
    Danish Defense Forces published the first images of the gas leaks from the Nord Stream pipeline system near the exclusive economic zone southeast of Bornholm island, according to the Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbaldet.

    The first images show a large surface area of gas bubbles in the Baltic Sea.



    Here are more images of one of the leaks.



    Another leak was reported by the Danish Defense Forces to be 1 kilometer in diameter on the surface water.

    This is an absolutely massive leak.



    A handful of EU officials suspect the pipelines were sabotaged.

    * * *
    Update (0842ET):
    Sweden’s government held a crisis management meeting with other public authorities over the damage to the Nord Stream pipeline system, Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbaldet said, citing comments from Foreign Minister Ann Linde.

    Linde said Sweden may discuss the pipeline damage with Denmark later today.
    Denmark is tightening security around all energy assets as some European officials speculate the NS pipeline system was sabotaged.

    * * *
    The plot thickens about what caused damage to three lines of the Nord Stream gas-pipeline system under the Baltic Sea to Europe as some European officials now suspect sabotage.

    Nord Stream AG, the operator of the NS pipeline system, published a statement Tuesday that read, "the destruction that happened within one day at three lines of the Nord Stream pipeline system is unprecedented ... and impossible now to estimate the timeframe for restoring operations of the gas shipment infrastructure."

    On Monday, NS2 gas pipeline and two NS1 lines reported rapid pressure drops, with gas leaks reported by Swedish and Danish authorities in the Baltic Sea near the exclusive economic zone southeast of Bornholm island.



    A more in-depth view of the incident area.



    Pressure drops in the NS gas-pipeline system could be the biggest signal that flows via NS1 might not resume this winter. Germany and surrounding countries are investigating the incident. NS2 cannot impact flows to the EU because the controversial idled conduit was never operational after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz canceled it after Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.

    Klaus Mueller, the president of the German energy network regulator, tweeted that the market situation remains "tense," but Germany and the EU are no longer dependent on NS supplies.

    Nord Stream AG issued an outage message that is active until Oct. 26, while the German economy ministry said it's investigating the incident.

    Dutch front-month gas, the European benchmark, was up nearly 10% at 190.50 euros per megawatt-hour on Tuesday morning.



    The simultaneous pressure drop of the NS lines suggests some market participants may watch for any indication of sabotage.

    Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said it was hard to imagine NS gas leaks were caused by a "coincidence."

    Frederiksen didn't rule out sabotage, though she said it was too early to draw any conclusions, according to Reuters, quoting public broadcaster DR during a visit to Poland.

    A German security official told Bloomberg that NS damage appears to be the result of "sabotage."
    The evidence points to a violent act, rather than a technical issue, according to a German security official, who asked not to be identified because the matter is being probed. -Bloomberg
    German daily newspaper Tagesspiegel reported that "the Nord Stream pipelines may have been damaged by targeted attacks and leaked as a result."

    A source close to the government, quoted in the newspaper, said, "everything speaks against a coincidence."
    "We cannot imagine a scenario that is not a targeted attack," the source said.
    Die Welt, another German newspaper, reported the timing of the NS damage may suggest sabotage and was unlikely to be an accident.

    Reporters asked Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov if the NS system's pressure drop could be due to sabotage. He responded: "It is impossible to exclude any options."

    There appears to be no immediate end to the gas leak from NS pipelines, according to the Danish national daily newspaper Berlingske, which quoted Danish Energy Authority.

    Full article (more tweeter comments/videos): https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditie...been-sabotaged

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    A few thoughts.
    • The Russians will have 'turned off the tap' pretty fast. But there'll still be a lot of gas in the system that will find its way out.
    • Divers are already being prepared to go down and take a close look. It's only 80-110m deep, and that's not hard to get to.
    • It'll soon be very obvious what's happened. The explosions give a strong clue.
    • The western mainstream will try to spin (rather desperately!) that somehow it was Russia that did this — i.e. to itself, like shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. That's so implausible that no-one will buy it.
    • There are quite a few ways that sabotage could have been effected. Small navy two-man mini-subs can easily do this kind of thing, exactly what they were designed for. It's also very possible that there are small undersea drones that can do the same.
    • It'll very likely be impossible to ever firmly establish who did it, as in hard evidence. There'd be zero forensics or video footage, as with an explosion on land or even a plane crash. So that will leave the international finger-pointing going on for weeks on end with no possible resolution or agreement.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/stat...02376262701056

    And there's this:



    ...preceded with this:

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    A referendum update, from Sputnik News.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220927/liv...01255443.html#

    ~~~
    Preliminary Referendum Results From Polling Stations in Russia Show Overwhelming Support for Unification.

    According to initial results from polling stations across the Russian Federation, people from Donbass and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions living in Russia are voting to join the country:
    • 97.91% votes of DPR citizens (14% processed)
    • 97.82% votes of LPR citizens (13% processed)
    • 98.19% votes of Zaporozhye region residents (18% processed)
    • 96.97% votes of Kherson region residents (14% processed)
    ~~~
    Literally, rule by the people. The term is derived from the Greek dēmokratia, which was coined from dēmos (“people”) and kratos (“rule”) in the middle of the 5th century bce to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens.
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    ATT/ From Paul Craig Roberts

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...ry-is-upon-us/

    From the article/

    A Fateful Moment of History Is Upon Us
    September 27, 2022 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: | Print This Article Print This Article
    A Fateful Moment of History Is Upon Us

    Paul Craig Roberts

    Dear Readers, I have explained to you that there has been no Russian defeat in Ukraine and will not be a Russian defeat. I informed you that Putin and the Kremlin are committed to one important thing that differentiates Russia from the US and that is that Russia follows international law and the US does not. This is why there has been no “Russian invasion of Ukraine” as proclaimed by Western propagandists. Kiev, the functioning of the Ukraine government, and the cities and infrastructure of western Ukraine have not been attacked. The Kremlin has limited its military operations to the areas in Ukraine where the majority Russian population was being shelled, occupied, and murdered by Ukrainian forces and which faced last February an invasion of a large Western-trained Ukrainian army and neo-Nazi militias intended to overthrow the two independent Donbass republics recognized by the Russian government. The republics requested Russia’s intervention, which made the “limited military operation” legal under international law.

    As my readers know, I regard the limited operation a mistake as it has drawn out the conflict and allowed the West to get deeply involved, thus promising a wider war that would likely turn nuclear. I thought and still do that Russia was emphasizing legality at the risk of nuclear war.

    The Kremlin has now acted to remove the constraint of international law with the referendums in the four areas whether the inhabitants wish reunification with Russia. It is clear that the vote will be yes, and that the Duma and the Kremlin will proceed rapidly to reincorporate the former Russian territory back into Russia.

    At that point Ukraine’s continuation of the war involves direct Ukrainian aggression against Russia herself. This frees the Kremlin’s hands as the war becomes Russia’s response to Ukrainian aggression. At this point it will be clear to all involved that Kiev, the Ukraine government, and the cities and infrastructure of western Ukraine no longer have immunity. In other words it becomes a real war with devastating consequences for Ukraine and possibly as well for all Western suppliers of weapons and intelligence.

    Americans are not prepared for this, because all they have heard about the conflict is Russophobic propaganda and false reporting of the reality.

    Larry Johnson, an honest and competent commentator, repeats this account and adds that the West lacks the capacity to produce weapons and ammunition on the scale demanded by a full war and that the European economies are facing shutdowns as the consequent of US sanctions against Russia. The message is that the US/NATO have no means of preventing a rapid Russian conquest of Ukraine except by resort to nuclear war, in which case the Western World will cease to exist.

    That we could be in this extremely dangerous position is due to the total absence in the West of an honest and independent media and of honest and competent Russian experts. Essentially, there is no intelligence in the West among those making decisions and no accurate information getting through to the Western populations.

    I and a few others have made huge efforts, but we are called “conspiracy theorists,” “Russian agents/dupes,” and other names used to discredit those who actually understand the reality of the situation. The growing restraints on what can be said, or if said paid attention to, has created massive ignorance as we come to a possible fateful moment in history.

    Here is Larry Johnson:

    MORE ON THE REFERENDUM GAME CHANGER

    https://sonar21.com/more-on-the-refe...-game-changer/

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    I'll just leave this here....







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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A referendum update, from Sputnik News.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220927/liv...01255443.html#

    ~~~
    Preliminary Referendum Results From Polling Stations in Russia Show Overwhelming Support for Unification.

    According to initial results from polling stations across the Russian Federation, people from Donbass and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions living in Russia are voting to join the country:
    • 97.91% votes of DPR citizens (14% processed)
    • 97.82% votes of LPR citizens (13% processed)
    • 98.19% votes of Zaporozhye region residents (18% processed)
    • 96.97% votes of Kherson region residents (14% processed)
    ~~~
    Literally, rule by the people. The term is derived from the Greek dēmokratia, which was coined from dēmos (“people”) and kratos (“rule”) in the middle of the 5th century bce to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens.
    I already read the usual lame trolls in Telegram and other places, trying to disinform and confuse people, playing with the meaning of the numbers to discredit the referendum

    Basically: They are trying to say that Russia claims those numbers represent the number of voters in the regions, as opposed to the total votes in favor of joining Russia

    So "97.91% votes of DPR citizens" has been turned into "97.91% of the DPR population went to vote in favor of Russia"

    Truly misleading and an attempt to discredit by claiming it is impossible that almost 100% of the population went to vote in 3 days

    Just the usual ridiculous lies, and very much sure enough that lots of people will start using that as a talking point or as 'evidence' of the 'sham'

    ~~

    Some people apparently confuse or do not understand what an "echo chamber" is. Somehow, they think that posting evidence, or news of the current events, or articles exposing or analysing the situation, represents an 'echo chamber', simply because the collected evidence or state of the operation shows Russia is winning, or that the evidence proves that Ukraine has committed war crimes

    Those people, instead of posting evidence to the contrary, or talk with their own voice and minds, and give their own opinions, just simply complain that no one is posting pro-ukrainian articles, videos or evidence of any kind. But, why is it that they themselves don't post it instead of complaining no one else is doing it? What are they afraid of? Getting exposed promoting or excusing nazi propaganda? Or maybe they fear that they post something and then it comes out that it was a shameless lie and they are ridiculed or end up looking foolish and uneducated?

    In the end, they just repeat dumb talking points taken from the western pro-nazi propaganda machine, making themselves be part of the actual echo chamber, because they have no opinion of their own, at all ... the irony of it all.... lol

    Being able to have critical thinking is critical these days
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    Russian Ministry of Defense video
    WHAT IS THE U.S. HIDING ABOUT BIOLABS IN UKRAINE?
    9/26/22
    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/wha...bs-in-ukraine/

    "The Russian Ministry of Defense just released a video about the US/Deep State biological network in Ukraine and @Clandestine on TRUTHSocial has kindly translated the slides for us on his Substack:

    Slide 1: What is the US hiding about biolabs in Ukraine?

    Slide 2: Russia presented proof of US military biological activities in Ukraine.

    Slide 3: Americans have spent over $250 million since 2005, according to the Defense Department.

    Slide 4: Including for the construction and modernization of biological laboratories.

    Slide 5: They are coordinated by the US Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA).

    Slide 6: The Americans do not deny the fact of cooperation with Kyiv.

    Slide 7: Although they say their goal was to improve the epidemiological situation in Ukraine,

    Slide 8: But they don’t explain how it fits in with the research of potential biological operations,

    Slide 9: As well as economically significant infections.

    Slide 10: Another priority for biolabs was the collection and export to the United States.

    Slide 11: Strains of pathogens of dangerous infectious diseases – anthrax, cholera, tularemia.

    Slide 12: Biological material was also exported to other countries.

    Slide 13: The samples, themselves with hazardous bioagents were often improperly stored.

    Slide 14: The Ministry of Defense also drew attention to the fact that various studies were often carried out

    Slide 15: On socially-unprotected categories of Ukrainian citizens.

    Slide 16: At the same, back in 2013, Ukraine tried to curtail the biological projects of the Pentagon.

    Slide 17: But had to give in under pressure from Washington.

    Slide 18: Neither the United States nor Ukraine have been able to provide conclusive evidence.

    Slide 19: That their cooperation is beneficial.

    Slide 20: Just as Kyiv could not explain why it began to destroy documents,

    Slide 21: About joint military biological activities with the Americans.

    This is an information operation by the Russian military that is simplifying the discoveries from their mission in Ukraine for a broad audience with small, digestible, visual aides.

    Clandestine writes:

    Regardless of if these allegations are true or not (all the evidence suggests that they are), the reality is, that the People of the Eastern world are being normalized to believe that Biden and the US were creating bioweapons in Ukraine, and the Western People are largely oblivious to the allegations as a whole.

    Also, keep in mind that the Russian Foreign Ministry and Russian Legislators expect a conclusion to their final report to the UN in the “fall”. It’s fall. The timing of this video suggests that things may be coming that the broader public need to be introduced to.

    Also, be sure to recognize that Trump has not appeared anywhere near any of the allegations or reports. Russia continue to direct the activity at Biden and the DNC specifically. Russia went out of their way to make sure the word knows Trump is excluded from these allegations. Which, whether these allegations are true or not, proves there is some level of alliance, truce, or agreement of some kind, between Trump and Putin.

    This video also proves that the allegations are not going away. Russian MIL have been pushing this heavily for approximately 7 months now. Providing consistent evidence to the UN. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. This isn’t a baseless disinformation campaign. Putin and Russia are serious about this, they were willing to go to war over it, and now Putin claims they are willing to use his entire arsenal to neutralize this global threat.

    This problem isn’t going away. If Russia continue to be ignored, they will resort to alternative solutions if diplomacy fails. The world teeters on the brink of nuclear destruction."


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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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