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    Quote Posted by gord (here)

    According to TinEye reverse image search, the earliest instance of that map is from Mar 24, 2014 https://tineye.com/search/83e5270a7f...der=asc&page=1
    The question, i suppose, is why it has turned out on media these days, and on Tv, if what those websites say is true. Who posted it on the Tv channel and why/how is the Ukraine politician involved on this, or how does he knows or has this in mind in the first place?
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    Serbia will not join NATO because it well remembers what the alliance did to the country back in 1999, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Sunday.

    "I tell you: we will not join NATO. We will not join NATO because we cannot forget what they did to our country. We want to defend our freedom, our sky and our land on our own," he said at a campaign rally in the city of Bor.
    March 24 marked 23 years since the beginning of NATO’s aggression against Yugoslavia, which started on March 24, 1999 and lasted for 78 days.

    The alliance’s leadership argued that the main reason for the operation codenamed Allied Force was prevention of genocide of Kosovo’s Albanians. According to NATO’s sources its aircraft flew 38,000 sorties and carried out 10,000 bombing strikes.

    The bombardments killed, according to different estimates, from 3,500 to 4,000 people, and left about 10,000 others (two-thirds of them civilians) injured. The material damage totaled $100 billion. During the three months of bombardments NATO forces dropped on Serbia 15 tonnes of depleted uranium in bombs and shells. After that the country’s cancer rates surged to first place in Europe.

    In the first ten years following the bombardments about 30,000 developed cancer and an estimated 10,000-18,000 of them died.

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    Serious historical lesson that some countries still don't get. Anyone can be on the end of it if they trust too much and then fall of the precious grace and trust of "world's leader of freedom and democracy"

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira/...97576276152329
    I saw these recent videos, Aussie Cossack posted them on his Telegram channel, the Nazi scum bags taking out their frustrations on an unfortunate captive group of Russian soldiers, totally illegal of course and barbaric in the worst sense of that word: the western media will not allow this to tarnish their rah rah Ukraine campaigns. This will mean greater efforts from Russia to extinguish these low life people.

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    ...

    ... from Jim Stone:
    This page posted March 27 2022. For the latest page click here

    THERE WAS VIDEO OF ONE OF THE THE LEADERS OF THE AZOV BATTALION GETTING ARRESTED


    It is epic video which clearly shows the hatred the Ukranian people have for this guy.

    This is the guy that gave the orders to murder people who were trying to flee Mariupol and elsewhere, in addition to giving Ukranian forces explicit instructions to set up in hospitals and apartments and fight the battles from them while they were full of "human shields", in addition to tying men to trees with 10 rounds of ammo to shoot at the Russians as they approached because the people would normally not do that because they hated him so much.

    This video clearly shows how they felt about it.


    There is another video of what people think without Azov in them HERE.



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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    Quote Posted by gord (here)

    According to TinEye reverse image search, the earliest instance of that map is from Mar 24, 2014 https://tineye.com/search/83e5270a7f...der=asc&page=1
    The question, i suppose, is why it has turned out on media these days, and on Tv, if what those websites say is true. Who posted it on the Tv channel and why/how is the Ukraine politician involved on this, or how does he knows or has this in mind in the first place?
    Rumors?
    March 22
    https://twitter.com/realGonzaloLira/...39570731958272


    https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/...41465009664009


    March 25
    https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/...79628196585473



    https://twitter.com/Shuchi1Pavak1/st...91443072671746


    https://twitter.com/425Noelle/status...55664137777154
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    A concise chronology of Ukraine biolabs development, offered by María Zakharova on The Saker.

    http://thesaker.is/opinion-by-maria-zakharova-biobiden

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    We can get a rough idea of the US political elites’ involvement in the military biological activity in Ukraine if we rely on open sources as well as leaked documents. Below is an attempt to reconstruct the chronology of this involvement, though not a comprehensive one. There are many gaps in this truly diabolical plan that are still to be filled.
    • 1991 – the US launches the Nunn-Lugar programme for the former Soviet countries to control/eliminate Soviet weapons of mass destruction including bioweapons. The Pentagon’s Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) was named as the programme’s main executor.
    • 1993 – the Ukraine-US Agreement on the Prevention of Proliferation of WMD is signed.
    • 2005 – an additional protocol is signed to the agreement between the Ukrainian Health Ministry and the DTRA on the prevention of the proliferation of technologies, pathogens and know-how that can be used to develop bioweapons. This is the start of the transfer of the Ukrainian military biological potential into US specialists’ hands.
    • 2000s – large US military-industrial companies are engaged in military biological activity in Ukraine.
    • 2005-2014 – Black & Veatch Special Projects, a DTRA contractor, builds and upgrades 8 biolabs in Ukraine instead of eliminating military biological infrastructure, as was originally claimed. One of the facilities, a biolab in Odessa, has been financed since 2011 for the study of “pathogens that can be used in bioterrorism attacks.”
    • 2007 – US DoD employee Nathan Wolfe founded Global Viral Forecasting Institute (subsequently – Global Viral), a biomedical company. The mission stated in the charter is non-commercial study of transborder infections, including in China.
    • 2009 – Rosemont Seneca Partners is established by former US Secretary of State John Kerry's stepson Christopher Heinz and incumbent US President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden
    • 2014 – anti-constitutional coup d’etat in Ukraine.
    • 2014 – Hunter Biden joins the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company.
    • 2014 – Metabiota, a private commercial organisation specialising in the study of pandemic risks is detached from Global Viral. Neil Callahan and John DeLoche, employees of Hunter Biden’s company Rosemont Seneca Partners are appointed to the board of Metabiota. Global Viral and Metabiota begin to get funding from the US Department of Defence.
    • 2014 – Metabiota shows interest in Ukraine and invites Hunter Biden to “assert Ukraine’s cultural & economic independence from Russia”
    • 2014 – Metabiota and Burisma Holdings begin cooperation on an unnamed “science project in Ukraine”.
    • 2014 – Metabiota, Global Viral and Black & Veatch Special Projects begin full-fledged cooperation within the US DoD programmes.
    • 2014-2016 – Implementation of Metabiota and US DoD contracts, including a $300,000 project in Ukraine.
    • 2016 – US citizen Ulana Nadia Suprun, a descendant of Ukrainian Nazis, is appointed Acting Health Minister of Ukraine. The US DoD and Ukraine’s Health Ministry cooperation programme is greatly expanded.
    • 2016 – an outbreak of swine flu among Ukrainian Defence Ministry personnel guarding a biolab in Kharkov, Ukraine; 20 dead. The incident is hushed up.
    • 2016 – former US Assistant Secretary for Defence Andrew Weber is appointed head of Metabiota’s global partnerships department.
    • 2016 – EcoHealth Alliance, a Global Viral founder Nathan Wolfe’s structure, is engaged in the study of bat-transmitted coronaviruses at the research centre in a Wuhan laboratory, China.
    • 2016 – the DTRA and Ukraine’s Health Ministry extend the contract after getting approval from the Ukrainian Defence Ministry.
    • 2019 – the COVID-19 mutated bat coronavirus pandemic begins with an outbreak in Wuhan.
    • February 24, 2022 – launch of the Russian Army’s special operation in Ukraine.
    • February 24-25, 2022 – rapid elimination of strains in biolabs in Ukraine.
    • March 8, 2022 – US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland openly acknowledges the existence of cooperation between the US and Ukraine in pathogens.

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    I don't believe any formal statement has been made by the Russian Ministry of Defence (please update this if I'm incorrect!), but a communications satellite has just been launched by the Russians apparently featuring the letter 'Z' on the booster.

    Here's a video, released by the Russian Ministry of Defense itself. The captions are by NBC News in the US.


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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)
    This only works under the presumption that the Security Council still matters

    Just like some other organizations and the entire UN, could suddenly not matter at all

    Do you own a debt if the lender is not around anymore? For example?


    Exactly.

    "International Law" is a thing that could not have any other enforcement than One World Government, which the U. N. is a step shy from. The closest thing is the Treaties, which of course allows member nations to violate them at will.

    About all that can be achieved is ultimatums. Such as "when you cross the line out of Poland, I will destroy you". Everyone can sit in the meeting and apprise themselves, while reviewing the fact that violated treaties have basically just been discarded.

    Former president Bush is "under arrest" in Malaysia, which sounds fair, but nothing ever happens. The issue of jurisdiction is a very difficult political issue. I will never agree that One World Government is the answer. I don't have one. There are really just treaties and information about whether they worked.

    The availability of information about this, has really changed the scene from World War II when nobody could really get anything other than official political statements. These days I do not know why an English speaker would presume me to be ignorant just because I cannot really speak Greek. My best suggestion for any amongst the leadership and choir of the press in terms of "remaining intact" in the near future is to shift the blame of their ignorance. That means it would have to be pinned down on a few people whose fault it is. CNN can get off the hook if they blame some spokesperson, who blames some politician, who turns around and blames a committee member, and then you find a conflict of interest by having investments and companies and so forth. This way a few idiots can still have jobs while at least some of the actual problems are confronted. If not, if the whole wall of lies chooses to move as one unit, then the whole thing might find itself essentially unemployed.

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    Two Infowars articles posted today, closely connected. I'll not embed the very unpleasant reports (which include video), but readers may choose to take a look if they wish.

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    Below is an attempt to reconstruct the chronology of this involvement, though not a comprehensive one. There are many gaps in this truly diabolical plan that are still to be filled.


    Yes, those are like some of her easy talking points. A lot of it is going to come out in military and legal processes which we will not be involved with. What we are doing is an influence on Reputation. Well, it is still the same textbook principle that we got from Josef Goebbels:


    The Big Lie


    Except instead of sticking to him, we are able to trace how it runs far backwards through time, and then through the future until now. It is not necessarily German or American or any specific kind of nationalism, because it is more like international anti-Russianism. Any wealth resource and any population is to be used unremittingly for the task.


    So this Lie has this anti- value which is undesirable, while having its proactive guises such as Capitalism and Democracy.



    Welcome to the reanimated remains of your heritage:







    It is not particularly hard to identify what is at work here. This is where I drew the line with my parents. They were heavy critics of the system saying how a lot of things should be done differently. I tried to tell them that it actually was the system itself that was objectionable. They quit listening to me. Here comes a lifetime of evidence in the face of those who failed to admit it was a Lie.

    Multiple Slow Kill military tactics have been distributed interior to the west for a long time, while a Hard Kill method has been attempted to be hidden in places we don't directly see.



    From one of the replies:


    The etiological agent of swine flu is an influenza virus, H1N1, very similar to the etiologic agent of the 1919-1920 Spanish flu (H1N1) which killed 20-40 million people, and the 2009 H1N1 swine flu so-called “pandemic”. The Spanish flu originated, as you might have guessed from its name in… Kansas. African swine fever (ASF) is different. It is a highly contagious swine hemorrhagic disease and the mortality rate in swine can reach 100%. ASF used to be restricted to sub-Saharan Africa. Strangely enough, an ASF outbreak occurred for the first time in Cuba, in 1971. 500,000 pigs were culled to limit the epidemic. The United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization called it the “most alarming event” of 1971. We now know that the ASF virus was introduced in Cuba by saboteurs on the CIA payroll. Talk about playing sorcerer’s apprentice. Fast forward to 2018, in China. A major ASF epidemic hit the country’s swine industry. 150-200 million pigs were culled. It was the first ever occurrence of ASF in China. When you start looking at the number of new diseases that have hit China over the last 3-4 years; at least two outbreaks of bird flu, two for swine flu, repeated outbreaks of ASF, repeated outbreaks of COVID-19, it raises a few red flags. They cannot simply be “random events”. Too many of those. Add to these, different SARS-CoV-2 variants in Iran in 2020.



    Again, recently around here, one of the states just exterminated almost a 100,000 birds for having the flu. All of these animals perhaps do contain material evidence which is an odd match to the various types of research. So to err on the side of caution, it sounds like American or British medical assistance is the last thing you need if you want to live. As far as I know, the Lie has always operated hugely within the medical community from its very early days of trying to exclude everything besides surgery and drugs.

    These are not some minor fixable criticisms as my parents seemed to think, it is the entire political apparatus, the entire medical system, and so on, which always has been so by way of design.

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    The Fabian Society crest, I see. A wolf in sheep’s clothing, as depicted in the stain glass window formerly in the Beatrice Webb House in Surrey, England. The stain glass window is now, or was, on display in the London School of Economics.

    In the window Sidney Webb and George Bernard Shaw are striking at the Earth with hammers. The window bears these words at the top: “REMOULD IT NEARER TO THE HEARTS DESIRE”

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    The stain glass window is now, or was, on display in the London School of Economics.

    Bingo!

    How can you separate this from global geopolitics? It would take quite a bit of effort. We say this Economics is the school of Genocide, by way of being the science of moving it down the street so you don't see it, such as:


    On March 27, a woman’s corpse was found with traces of torture and a swastika on her stomach.

    The DPR forces found the body in the basement of Mariupol school No. 25, which was used by Ukrainian nationalists as a stronghold. The woman’s arm was torn off. She was tortured with a bag over her head.










    A little "remoulding work" courtesy of the LSE.

    Removal of an arm is just a "trace" of improper treatment. Normally, Ukranians just trade wheat and coal amongst themselves, they are too poor to afford a bag to put on someone's head. This level of operations requires the assistance of a Rothschild-type bank.

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    Gonzalo Lira - Victoria Nuland


    Just finished listening now (go easy on me! It was an hour and three-quarters) — and it was a masterclass. The YouTube comments were glowing even more than usual. One said:
    Listening to this podcast is the equivalent to going to university and majoring in modern history without paying any tuition fees.
    If pushed for time, one could probably start in after about 20 minutes or so. It steadily builds from there. He makes a few generalized remarks about women that I'd contest are very arguable, but that's just his own personal style and doesn't detract from the history lesson at all — much of which is about the irrational hatred of Russia among a certain group of American politicians, and their unflinching intention to destroy Russia by any means possible.

    He also states that a wholescale Ukrainain invasion of Donbass and Crimea was planned for this month (March), and that Putin, who was well aware of this, beat them to the punch. (This is of course why so many Ukrainian troops were amassed in the east of the country, but now fully surrounded by Russian forces.)

    And again, he makes the case for a Victoria-Nuland-orchestrated False Flag incident which would bring NATO into the conflict, which he stated yesterday he believes is probably planned for the end of this coming week. My personal opinion (as it is about any nuclear exchange) is that this will not happen — but it's certainly not impossible, and the next week (or maybe even two) may be very critical in all kinds of ways.
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    A message to all Americans from Putin



    https://t.me/rockynews/21987



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    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...are-the-change

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    A message to all Americans from Putin



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    Viking
    By the language of the message this IS NOT from Putin. False information. He would not post such a message.

    You would be laughed out from politics if you presented this "viewpoint".
    This is "fringe" bait to entrap would be supporters to spread false information for then be harassed and discredited with.

    I would see this as likely construct from activists to troll or bait less discerning individuals who don't know the details of fact from fiction.

    This is the "pure conspiracy" viewpoint as discussed on "fringe" forums overall as a gathering of the small talk as hyperbole not taken seriously by any party but continuously being propagandized as the "truth".

    Meaning it's pure bull****.
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    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    A message to all Americans from Putin



    https://t.me/rockynews/21987



    Viking
    By the language of the message this IS NOT from Putin. False information. He would not post such a message.

    You would be laughed out from politics if you presented this "viewpoint".
    This is "fringe" bait to entrap would be supporters to spread false information for then be harassed and discredited with.

    I would see this as likely construct from activists to troll or bait less discerning individuals who don't know the details of fact from fiction.

    This is the "pure conspiracy" viewpoint as discussed on "fringe" forums overall as a gathering of the small talk as hyperbole not taken seriously by any party but continuously being propagandized as the "truth".

    Meaning it's pure bull****.
    No way of telling , you could be correct or wrong .

    The content looks pretty much truthful to me.

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    Serbia will not join NATO because it well remembers what the alliance did to the country back in 1999, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Sunday.

    "I tell you: we will not join NATO. We will not join NATO because we cannot forget what they did to our country. We want to defend our freedom, our sky and our land on our own," he said at a campaign rally in the city of Bor.
    March 24 marked 23 years since the beginning of NATO’s aggression against Yugoslavia, which started on March 24, 1999 and lasted for 78 days.

    The alliance’s leadership argued that the main reason for the operation codenamed Allied Force was prevention of genocide of Kosovo’s Albanians. According to NATO’s sources its aircraft flew 38,000 sorties and carried out 10,000 bombing strikes.

    The bombardments killed, according to different estimates, from 3,500 to 4,000 people, and left about 10,000 others (two-thirds of them civilians) injured. The material damage totaled $100 billion. During the three months of bombardments NATO forces dropped on Serbia 15 tonnes of depleted uranium in bombs and shells. After that the country’s cancer rates surged to first place in Europe.

    In the first ten years following the bombardments about 30,000 developed cancer and an estimated 10,000-18,000 of them died.

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    Serious historical lesson that some countries still don't get. Anyone can be on the end of it if they trust too much and then fall of the precious grace and trust of "world's leader of freedom and democracy"

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    I love you Malisa for this quote and your comment. Only in 2005, in Belgium (that South Corea part carved out, in 1830, of the reunited Low Countries by the already-then-active AngloSaxon Mission), I learnt from a Serbian student of mine what NATO had done in Serbia. We had a few conversations about it before it sank in. At first I considered her story to be "the view from the other side" in the conflict, being biased by definition so to speak. It was only when she told me about the depleted uranium ammunition that I understood, because I was following closely what was happening in Iraq and I knew what depleted uranium was doing there. Only later did I learn about the rationale for it all (energy transport geopolitics)).

    A short while ago I alerted my correspondents: “the Internal Court of Justice at The Hague has found Serbian president Milosevic – "the barbarian, the mass-murderer” – innocent on all counts!” – posthumously, admittedly, because he died in prison. No reaction. People had just forgotten him, probably also because they did not meet a Serbian student who felt them worthy (i.e. open) enough to explain the details to them.

    It is my opinion (which I have also told everyone) that every citizen of the European Union at the time of the dismemberment of Yugoslavia should pay indemnities to all the people killed and injured in that war as well as to their families.

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