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    'Lieutenant General Trevor Kader of Canada has been arrested for attempting to escape through a sewage pipe at the Azovstal plant.
    He was the head of 18 laboratories that work with deadly viruses such as Ebola or Nipah.
    He was taken to Moscow to be trialed.
    In the past:
    According to Basurin, a general of the Canadian army may be in Azovstal's basements.
    Earlier in the western media, posts appeared that retired Canadian General Trevor Kadier, who has been accused in Canada of sexual harassment, is in Ukraine, where he is advising the Ukrainian armed forces.'


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    The witness did not mention the Canadian by name but:


    BEZIMENNOYE, DPR (Sputnik) - The Ukrainian military mentioned a mercenary general staying at the Azovstal steel plant who was in touch with Volodymyr Zelensky, evacuated Azovstal employee Natalya Usmanova said on Sunday.

    "The military came and said that they have a general sitting somewhere in the bunker. He was appointed. He is an Azov fighter. He is sort of a mercenary and he is in personal touch with Zelensky," Usmanova told reporters.

    Forty people, including 18 men, 14 women and eight children, were evacuated from the territory of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol and adjacent areas on three buses. Another 46 people escaped from the territory on their own the day before.

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    "She's exposing the TRUTH in Ukraine and they don't like it | Redacted Conversation with Eva Bartlett"
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    Today Pepe Escobar is making some observations about "the Christianities". This description is a move forward from Virgil describing the Golden Age of Rome and then its crumbling into a hostile power, some centuries in the pre-Christian era. It physically made an empire that started cannibalizing everything Greek, and so Constantinople, once the main center of Orthodoxy, winds up losing its influence and Moscow becomes the new sanctuary:




    Latin Europe, for the Orthodox, is seen as a hybrid usurper, preaching a distorted Christianity which only refers to St. Augustine, practicing absurd rites and neglecting the very important Holy Ghost. The Europe of Christian Popes invented what is considered a historical hydra – Byzantium – where Byzantines were actually Greeks living under the Roman Empire.

    Western Europeans for their part see the Orthodox and the Christians from the East (see how they were abandoned by the west in Syria under ISIS and Al Qaeda) as satraps and a bunch of smugglers – while the Orthodox regard the Crusaders, the Teutonic chevaliers and the Jesuits – correctly, we must say – as barbarian usurpers bent on world conquest.

    In the Orthodox canon, a major trauma is the fourth Crusade in 1204 which utterly destroyed Constantinople. The Frankish chevaliers happened to eviscerate the most dazzling metropolis in the world, which congregated at the time all the riches from Asia.

    That was the definition of cultural genocide. The Frankish also happened to be aligned with some notorious serial plunderers: the Venetians. No wonder, from that historical juncture onwards, a slogan was born: “Better the Sultan’s turban than the Pope’s tiara.”

    So since the 8th century, Carolingian and Byzantine Europe were de facto at war across an Iron Curtain from the Baltics to the Mediterranean (compare it with the emerging New Iron Curtain of Cold War 2.0). After the barbarian invasions, they neither spoke the same language nor practiced the same writing, rites or theology.

    This fracture, significantly, also trespassed Kiev. The west was Catholic – 15% of Greek catholics and 3% of Latins – and in the center and the east, 70% Orthodox, who became hegemonic in the 20th century after the elimination of Jewish minorities by mainly the Waffen-SS of the Galicia division, the precursors of Ukraine’s Azov batallion.

    Constantinople, even in decline, managed to pull off a sophisticated geo-strategic game to seduce the Slavs, betting on Muscovy against the Catholic Polish-Lithuanian combo. The fall of Constantinople in 1453 allowed Muscovy to denounce the treason of Greeks and Byzantine Armenians who rallied around the Roman Pope, who badly wanted a reunified Christianity.

    Afterward, Russia ends up constituting itself as the only Orthodox nation that did not fall under Ottoman domination. Moscow regards itself – as Byzantium – as a unique symphony between spiritual and temporal powers.




    "Barbarian" and "piracy" may not be the greatest English words to express what the authors are getting at. The first is the ex-Carthaginian or Berber Pirates themselves who were actually finally suppressed by the U. S. Marines. "Pirates" in the pure English sense for the most part lived under strict moral codes; if you trifled with the rules of the ship, they would typically drop you off on a remote island with a bottle of rum and a loaded pistol. Most of their targeting was on a "mission" basis; they were not exactly invaders. On one hand, a more noteworthy concept might be that of the Privateer:


    Francis Drake attacked a Spanish treasure train in Panama. This sudden transfer of gold was instrumental for England getting a leg up on the Spanish Empire.


    In other words, he acted as a pirate employed by the Queen.

    What is probably more relevant than "the pirates" is that "piracy" was able to set up offshore banking tax haven in the Bahamas. But from its early times, this was intertwined with the "lawful" aristocracy and banking. In the 1700s, the English Parliament did not want to respond to calls for crackdowns on smuggling, because, for the most part, its members were those very smugglers.

    Is there a word for legally-franchised-illegal-activity? Corruption and grafting?

    Pepe's article is very good because it attaches the Venetians and then lands on Kiev being this significant Nazi Jewish culture bomb. Some of the comments go in to many more details and of course Orthodox readers consistently deny there are two or any greater number of "Christianities".

    At the relevant time around year 1200 then you can easily find two significant religious genocides, i. e. Franks and Venetians against Orthodox Constantinople, and Islamic Mughals against Indian Buddhism and Hinduism. Because Buddhism survived in the northern direction, it became co-existent with Russian Orthodoxy.

    One of the Orthodox replies was that western religion focuses on a judge, law, and sin as crime, whereas in the east, it is a doctor, medicine, and sin as a disease.

    In that case from the Buddhist view I am far more likely to enter an agreeable partnership with the latter, saying, oh, well, that is close enough to what we have to say, I think we can at least work together. And, we think the same thing, Moscow is pretty much the legitimate Byzantium in that sense.

    That is a very dual word, depending on context, Byzantine either means humanistic forces due to some of the philosophers and religious ideals, or, it means labyrinthine plots in the interests of hidden central command. As salient points, it is not too hard to remember Great Schism, 1054, the Crusades, 1200s, and Ottoman Empire, ca. 1450. Those certainly represent a coalescing western power violent towards Orthodoxy and then Russia itself.
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    Reported on Sputnik News (and elsewhere) today:

    https://sputniknews.com/20220501/liv...095176118.html

    80 Civilians Leave Azovstal Steelworks
    According to the Russian defence ministry, 80 civilians, including women and children, were evacuated over the weekend from the territory of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, where the remaining Ukrainian forces have been hiding since the takeover of the port city by the Russian troops. All people were taken to the village of Bezimennoye, where they were provided with overnight shelter, food and medical assistance.
    With that context, here's an interesting article, published today:

    https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/05...d-the-pendulum

    Azovstal – the pit and the pendulum



    Image is a graphic by John Lawson and may give some idea of the Azovstal layout.

    They call the 18 or so miles of tunnels under the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol “the catacombs”, the original meaning of which is an underground complex of burial tombs. Right now the Azovstal tunnels are being used by Ukrainian fighters as a refuge. Civilians are being held there too. Many wounded lay in a makeshift hospital, and no doubt many dead bodies line the tunnels, suggesting catacombs is not an inappropriate description.

    The complex is said to have a gruesome recent history, part of it being used as a torture chamber for Mariupol residents opposed to fascism. With faces of abject horror locals refer to the torture chamber as “The Pit”. Russian political commentator Franz Klintsevich described as “horrendous” the feelings of ordinary Mariupol people whenever “The Pit” is mentioned and further remarking on how those captured by the Ukrainian fascist Azov battalion urged others to avoid “The Pit” at all costs.

    There are claims that Azovstal catacombs also host a NATO headquarters together with a biological weapons laboratory where human experiments have taken place. Klintsevich believes there are German, British, French, Polish and Canadian advisors and military personnel among the besieged.

    What secrets does Azovstal hold?

    According to a Palestinian reporter, Nabil Salem, there are not only foreign military personnel in the catacombs but NATO officers, members of the French foreign legion and some 240 foreign scientists of various nationalities. Salem is also an expert in “information warfare” and claims that western intelligence never had time to clean up its activities.

    He states that on the second day of the pre-emptive Russian special operation to liberate Donbas “all information about the Ukrainian biolabs of the United States disappeared from the website of the American embassy in Ukraine.” He added:
    “... there is information that the secret headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance with the number Pit_40 is located in the catacombs of Azovstal. It was engaged in the development of biological weapons. Now not only NATO officers are hiding at the Mariupol plant, but also 240 foreign scientists of various nationalities. In addition, there are soldiers of the French Legion.”
    While Salem calls it Pit_40 an earlier report from Rusonline calls the facility Pit-404 “constructed and exploited by Metabiota”.

    Metabiota is a company in which the Biden family have a vested interest. According to this report. from the Daily Mail, Hunter Biden, together with his colleagues, invested some $500,000 and introduced funding from other western sources. The alternative (I prefer real) media is abuzz with speculation at the depth of involvement, and Joe Biden has been looking very uncomfortable recently.

    In another article Salem speculates that one of the reasons civilians may be held there is to prevent them from divulging where the NATO officers and generals are entrenched. However, recent footage shows that civilians are under guard and could have little idea of what is going on elsewhere.

    More likely they are there as a human shield – though some could be the wives and children of the fighters. (When the neo-Nazis blew up the Mariupol Drama Theatre a survivor says they took their own families with them which not surprisingly raised alarm for those locked in the cellar, and left to their fate).

    Of the foreign nationals in the Azovstal catacombs 50 French officers are assumed to be entrenched there. Earlier helicopter attempts to rescue them by French special units ended in failure.

    Since 21 April an offer has been available from Russia to Kiev-led fighters to lay down their arms and surrender – for which their lives will be spared – and for civilians held there to be evacuated. On Friday 29 April a family, husband, wife and child took advantage of the offer and on Saturday 30 April twenty civilians and five children under fourteen, walked free.

    Other reports say the children were under sixteen. It is expected more will leave the factory in the coming days. Indeed news is just in that some 100 employees of the factory have been released and reunited with their loved ones. Get ready next for the release of batches of soldiers pretending to be civilians.

    For the Ukrainian military a newly appointed spokesman deputy commander, Svyatoslav Palamar, said Saturday that he hoped those they have started to release would be evacuated to Ukrainian territory. He could not understand why the wounded are not allowed to go there likewise. That, of course, is never going to happen.


    Svyatoslav Palamar

    There are thought to be some 300 wounded soldiers in the catacombs. On 22 April Palamar told BBC Russia there were more than 500 wounded. Medicines and medical products are allegedly in short supply, and some of the injured are lying around on stretchers for want of beds. They have been offered treatment in Russian hospitals and told that all the soldiers lives will be spared providing they surrender.

    It seems though that their war-crimes weigh too heavily on their consciences. These, remember, were the soldiers, who according to reports, locked civilians in the cellar of the drama-theatre before bringing the building down and blaming it on Russian air-strikes.

    Setting them free to engage in similar escapades would be wantonly criminal when the whole purpose of the special military operation is to rid Ukraine of its Nazi war-criminals. The mindset of this battalion was captured by Shaun Walker, of The Guardian, at the beginning of Poroshenko’s eight-year war.

    A few of the wounded soldiers in Azovstal makeshift hospital

    Perhaps more interesting than Palamar’s arguments, which are obviously made from a position of weakness, is what happened to the commanding officer who previously made statements on behalf of the Azov battalion? His name is Denys Prokopenko. He used to be the front man for the recordings now being made by Palamar.

    On 12 April a video was produced in which he accused Russia of using chemical weapons in another highly-suspicious false-flag event no doubt hoping to bring to Mariupol reinforcements from the US cavalry. All those affected have classic Covid-19 symptoms. And that is not a joke!

    Is Prokopenko wounded? Has he been replaced for wanting to accept the Russian offer? Has he been replaced because of all the false-flag attempts that failed to get them rescued? Has he committed suicide hoping for others to follow the lead? Has he escaped from the tunnels into the town? Both Zelensky and Macron have, it is reported, ‘courageously’ ordered the Azov battalion soldiers and those with them not to leave the factory bowels on pain of death.

    Pit_40, or Pit 404, has not yet been exposed. It is a matter of time. The pendulum swings back and forth. Soon the hour will strike.
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    Plain Old Explanation?

    U.S. Congress –– money and weapons to the Azov Regiment, a neo-nazi-run paramilitary in Ukraine. ?


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    Today (2 May in the Americas and Europe) is the anniversary of the dreadful event in Odessa in 2014 which Russia became determined to avenge. Here's a new documentary, which was published in December 2021.



    Burnt Alive in Odessa


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Today (2 May in the Americas and Europe) is the anniversary of the dreadful event in Odessa in 2014 which Russia became determined to avenge. Here's a new documentary, which was published in December 2021.



    Burnt Alive in Odessa

    And in the library here as it has been for some time now:



    It's very good but requires a very strong constitution - there is graphic footage
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    Scott Ritter here on Foreign Policy Review published April 28th.

    Scott covers the newer intricacies involving Transnistria, Poland, and Odessa. Just under an hour and a reasonably sprightly engagement.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    The "totalitarian tip toe" is quickly turning into a fast walk into the Ukraine. This is indeed increasingly looking like the USA's next Vietnam. (A hat-tip to the person whose video Bill posted yesterday, I believe, insightfully pointing out the parallels between the USA's involvement in the Ukraine and Vietnam.)

    The name Kinzinger is eerily similar to one of the Vietnam perpetrator-criminals, Kissinger.

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    US, European weapons hit in Odessa strikes, says Russia

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    Israel has little business on the ground in Ukraine, but, they have a huge Truth interest in the Lie, and, tail wagging the dog, summoned an ambassador over remarks made by Lavrov to Italy:


    “Zelensky’s argument is: How can there be Nazism in Ukraine if he is a Jew? I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too. This means absolutely nothing. The wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. ‘Every family has its black sheep’, as we say”, the Russian foreign minister added.




    So, allright. We know that "anti-Semite" is one of the most historically-misguiding words possible, but, right now I cannot separate it from the fact that everyone uses it. One should likewise say "the Jews" are misguiding, are they talking about the ones in Iran? Certainly not. They mean Ashkenazis and Sephardics. Because there is a vested interest in concealing the fact that Zionist Jews more or less reverse-collaborated with German Nazis in order to slaughter Ukraine to boost immigration, Israel says:



    Lavrov’s comments sparked a firestorm of criticism in Israel, with Prime Minister Naftali Bennett saying that “lies like these are meant to blame the Jews themselves for the most terrible crimes in history.”

    Foreign Minister Yair Lapid called the comments “unforgivable and outrageous, and a terrible historic mistake”, adding that “the Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust”. Lapid went on to suggest that “the basest level of racism against Jews is to blame the Jews themselves for anti-Semitism”.

    Israeli media blasted Lavrov’s comments as evidence of “bountiful conspiracies about Hitler’s Jewish blood”, but did not elaborate on what about them was so “conspiratorial” or controversial.



    "The Jews" is also historically misguiding, since the select groups being referred to are not even Judeans but Edomites. As to all possible descendants of Shem, that is indeed too large to merely compress into the Edomites. I, and most of us, I think, do not make blanket racist views about Jews or Semites, we are talking about actual political and criminal gangs that erupted from Switzerland in the 1890s, assisted by other parts of the Diaspora. Modern Israel, which was nothing until 1947, would like to further engineer the English language, so we have an English CIA-type history full of meaningless words and unreal events.

    I would not call Ukraine all that directly Zionist, but, that Zionism is another aspect of The Lie which is supposed to remain buried here. It has little to do with any "Jews or Semites" argument, more like certain Zionists versus poor people.


    Most of the comments at The Saker link support this explanation, without going into names and details.
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    and here is the CNN version of what is happening

    https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news...-22/index.html

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