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    Quote Posted by Helvetic (here)
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    This year is fraught with extreme danger, says Pepe Escobar. But if the psychotic US deep-state planners can be contained by Russia and China without an all-out catastrophic war erupting then there is a chance of a more hopeful, peaceful and just world order emerging.

    It, from my side of this entire thing, or my 'point of view', looks they these guys are finally starting to catch up with what happened in the past 30 years or so


    Is not like they were not able to realize or discern. It is that they weren't looking, and they weren't looking because thy were looking somewhere else, where the immediate "set where the action happens' was set for people to look at


    Take this, for example, there has been a few journalists covering Ukraine/Donbass for almost 9 years now, but basically no one knew about it, on either side (Good Ukraine/Bad Ukraine), but now, everyone was talking about it. It's still the media in control.


    The war against the west vs the east has been going on forever, and let's not forget the one around US vs Japan and the propaganda around it




    Nothing has changed, it's only the target at the time, the ones that are not compliant are the 'bad guys'


    Anti-Japanese Propaganda Presented by the Hampton Roads Naval Museum



    This was back then






    But now, we have a clown hired to play "The President" because he got a successful show where he also played president "for the people". He can't answer any question to a real journalist and he has a curated pre-prepared list of questions with rehearsed answers that he happily goes through with the voice if his character, but no real entity exists behind that ridiculous facade of a "leader", so he has to kill, take down or otherwise "dismiss" his opponents who know who he truly is. It's a mini-Stalin in the works, fearful of anyone, distrustful of anyone around him, anxious, paranoic and much more, because he knows they know he's a fake and has sold them all


    The first chance they get (the Ukrainians) to get rid of him, without too many repercussions (loosing support from the west) they will shoot him straight on the face. Because they don't respect him at all. It's just a tool, both for them and the west


    So, now we have a clown repeating the same stuff but this time, he's claiming Russia is fascist, Nazi and all the things he can pile up so the west population says "oh! i know that, this is what happened last time! Yes, bad facism, bad nazis, bad Russia!" but because they had been turned into a lame, uneducated, foolish, sheepish, low cognitive, pack mentality society


    Cancel culture in general takes care of anyone who dares think outside the idiotic bubble. And if you dare to question or point out that in public, kiss your entire life and career and family relationships and everything else away, because you may find yourself in youtube or tiktok or other sites and then it will never be forgotten, even if the times change




    Propaganda adapted well to the times. Just look at how Japan went from an enemy and a target of bullying to "our friend" just because it was convenient. There was nothing much more than that in that affair. And it could end as soon as necessary for the needs of the US, for example how relationships get 'strained' every time people in Japan complain and demand for US troops to leave and never return. Which happens more than people in the US knows about
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    https://www.history.com/news/josef-s...oto-retouching
    Quote It’s thought that Stalin’s obsession with photo doctoring constituted a mini industry in the USSR. Publishers were contacted by Stalin’s minions and told to eliminate the enemy du jour from upcoming photos—and they did. According to design historian David King, who uncovered thousands of doctored photos and their original versions, the work was not performed in one location or even through an official ministry.
    Rather,” King writes, “photographic manipulation worked very much on an ad hoc basis. Orders were followed, quietly. A word in an editor’s ear or a discreet telephone conversation from a ‘higher authority’ was sufficient to eliminate all further reference—visual or literal—to a victim, no matter how famous she or he had been.”

    If you look at the last weeks or so, and even before through last year, this is exactly what has been happening all across the top levels of Ukraine. But in a modern version of it

    Last example Oleksiy Arestovych

    The Instagram account of "Oleksiy" was blocked all around Ukraine, and he has been summoned to answers a very difficult "i'm not a traitor" conversation from which he will most likely not truly make it out, at least without leaving a very high price behind

    So, How did Ukraine government controlled this kind of blocking across the entire country?

    1. They asked Instagram to block the entire IP range for Ukraine on that single account
    2. They asked all the ISPs in Ukraine to block that account if the url was requested

    But, we see that if you go to that page now, you get a message back from Instagram. So that means, Instagram followed instructions from the Ukraine government to disallow access to that page

    This is coming from a "freedom and democracy" country?

    So, talk about something the government doesn't like, get removed from social media, face deathly charges, get the 'freedom and democracy lovers' companies in the west to comply and remove this person from all access to his followers. Cut him off so he can't speak openly anymore (government censorship out in the open), add it to the very well know kill list (we didn't do him any harm, some random person did, but we'll try to not find the person who killed him, just like we didn't try with the last 400 or so)

    Fascism, authoritarian views, totalitarianism and current version of what "democracy, free speech and freedom" means sure share a lot of the same concepts
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    Sorry I have not kept up with all the posts in this thread, but thought this updated summary of Clandestine's Ukraine Biolab research and the lying MSM's responses belongs here:

    https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...258207233?s=20



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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Sorry I have not kept up with all the posts in this thread, but thought this updated summary of Clandestine's Ukraine Biolab research and the lying MSM's responses belongs here:

    https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/s...258207233?s=20



    < rest at link >
    And, connected:

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/18210


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    Culprit in drone strike on Iran identified

    Early indications suggest the attack on a military complex in Isfahan was masterminded by Israel, Al Jazeera reports.



    Quote The recent drone attack on an Iranian military facility was likely orchestrated by Israel, Al Jazeera reported on Monday, citing an Iranian source. So far, Tehran has stopped short of officially assigning blame.

    An unnamed Iranian official quoted by the outlet, said the raid on a Defense Ministry complex in the central city of Isfahan was launched from inside the country and close to the site. He also claimed that initial data suggests that Israel was involved in the attack.

    The official echoed an earlier statement by the Iranian Defense Ministry, describing the attack as unsuccessful, and claiming that Israeli efforts to portray it in a different light are “just propaganda to obscure the failure.”

    On Sunday, the Jerusalem Post reported, citing Western sources, that the raid was “a tremendous success,” with the destruction being much more serious than Tehran’s authorities are willing to acknowledge. However, the Iranian Defense Ministry said the raid “did not cause any loss of life” and inflicted only “minor damage” to the roof of the military workshop.

    Al Jazeera’s Iranian source said Israel’s alleged actions will not go unanswered. He added that Washington has distanced itself from the raid and will not pressure Tehran into changing its policies.

    “There are those who play with fire and we have no doubt that they will be the first to burn if they decide to start a regional war,” the source told the outlet.

    His comments echo an earlier Wall Street Journal report claiming that Israel was behind the attack. Al-Arabiya TV said that the US Air Force and “one more country” were involved in the raid, which allegedly targeted an Iranian ballistic missile depot. While the Pentagon denied any involvement, Israel refrained from commenting on the matter.

    The incident comes amid heightened tensions between Iran and Israel over Tehran’s nuclear program. While Israeli officials have repeatedly warned that Iran is seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, Tehran has dismissed the allegations, arguing that its nuclear program serves only peaceful purposes.

    Iran warns Israel not to ‘play with fire’ after drone attack on defense facility



    Extract:

    Quote A Wall Street Journal report which also pointed the finger at Israel for the attack noted its timing came at the same time as talks between Jerusalem and Washington aimed at finding new ways to counter Tehran’s nuclear program. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Israel on Monday.

    The US recently indicated that it would be taking a more hardline approach toward Tehran, including on its drone supply program to Russia.

    US President Joe Biden’s administration has also signaled that it had abandoned the possibility of reviving a deal with Iran over its nuclear program, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which then-US president Donald Trump withdrew from in 2018. Trump then instituted a “maximum pressure” sanctions regime, targeting various Iranian sectors, leading Tehran to respond by expanding its nuclear program in violation of the JCPOA.

    Iran’s military ties with Russia in the latter’s invasion of Ukraine and Tehran’s bloody crackdown on anti-regime protests since mid-September have also played a role in Washington’s tougher line.

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    https://www.ukcolumn.org/
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    This is something I was not expecting, may not be true at all, and it'll definitely need confirmation. The source apparently is "a number of Telegram channels', and it was reported here:

    https://news.russia.postsen.com/local/184920.html

    Russia is preparing to expand the list of situations that give it the right to a preemptive tactical nuclear strike

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/18401

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    https://twitter.com/warclandestine/s...86316371726341





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    Latin America Refuses to Send Ukraine Weapons, Despite Western Pressure


    Global Research, January 30, 2023

    Brazil, Argentina, and Colombia have rejected requests by the United States and European Union that they send weapons to Ukraine.

    The commander of the US military’s Southern Command (Southcom), which operates in Latin America and the Caribbean, revealed on January 19 that Washington has been pressuring countries in the region to arm Ukraine.

    Southcom wants Latin American nations to “replace [their] Russian equipment with United States equipment – if those countries want to donate it to Ukraine”, said Army General Laura J. Richardson.

    The US and EU have pressured Latin America to send weapons and military equipment to Ukraine.

    Brazil, Colombia, and Argentina refused, instead calling for peace.

    Many other left-wing governments in the region did the same, staying neutral.

    More here: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023...bia-argentina/

    But Latin America’s left-wing leaders have refused, instead maintaining neutrality and urging peace.

    The socialist governments in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua blamed NATO expansion and US meddling for causing the war in Ukraine.

    Mexico’s progressive President Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) offered to hold peace talks to end the conflict.

    And the leftist governments in Bolivia and Honduras have joined Brazil, Argentina, and Colombia in refusing to be part of the proxy war.

    Brazil’s Lula refuses to send tank munitions to Ukraine

    Germany announced on January 25 that it would send tanks to Ukraine, in a significant escalation of the NATO proxy war against Russia.

    Berlin subsequently asked Brazil to ship tank munitions to Kiev. But newly inaugurated left-wing President Lula da Silva declined to do so.

    Lula was a co-founder of the BRICS bloc, consisting of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. He has long called for a multipolar world, and supports South-South cooperation and regional integration.

    Lula has denounced Western governments for ramping up the violence in Ukraine instead of encouraging peace negotiations.

    During his presidential campaign in 2022, Lula criticized the White House, asking, “How can the world’s largest economic power say that it has no milk for children after President Biden announced $40 billion to buy arms meant for the war in Ukraine?”.

    Colombia’s Petro opposes sending weapons to Ukraine
    Colombia’s first ever left-wing president, Gustavo Petro, revealed that the United States pressured his country as well to give weapons to Ukraine. But he refused to do so, instead urging peace.

    Argentina’s Alberto Fernández says Latin America will not arm Ukraine
    Germany’s Chancellor Olaf Scholz visited Argentina on January 28. There, he asked President Alberto Fernández to send military equipment to Ukraine.

    Fernández declined, instead stating firmly at a press conference that “Argentina and other Latin American countries do not plan to provide weapons to Ukraine, or to any other conflict zone”.


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    Lt. Col. Daniel Davis Warns of Nuclear War: U.S. Has ‘No Plan’ in Ukraine, This Is Not a ‘Video Game’

    Providing new tanks to Ukraine won’t change the reality on the ground of the current conflict with Russia, according to retired Army Lt. Col. Daniel L. Davis, who claimed the United States has “no plan” or strategy and warned of the real-world danger of invoking NATO’s “mutual defense” clause, which would trigger a nuclear war.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    ...

    ... From Jim Stone:
    EXPLOSIONS REPORTED ALL OVER IRAN. IRAN HAS TAKEN WAR FOOTING

    UPDATE: This is, for the time being, getting censored in the MSM. However, I checked PressTV and it is indeed legit. PressTV is playing it down, claiming "they successfully repelled a drone attack in Isfahan," but I think ALL DRONES delivered their payloads and simply flew off. A LOT MORE than a military depot in Isfahan is in ruins.

    Let me dispel a little B.S: If the drones hit their targets, they were not "successfully repelled", when there's no ammo left why stick around?

    I recently posted about the latest Israeli nuke bomb scare against Iran. The CIA director just left Israel, and then tshtf. America/Israel are attacking Iran, no ifs or buts but it is not "official", it is probably going to be just like ISIS.

    UPDATE: Iran is under a full scale drone attack with numerous military targets hit.
    I'm not convinced that the USA, Inc. gave Israel "permission" to attack Iran. The attack was well within the typical modus operandi of the Israelis/IDF/Mossad. The USA, Inc. is borrowing billions of dollars from China to funnel through the American military industrial complex and military and then into Ukraine. The USA, Inc. is flat broke and in debt for eternity. I can't believe that the warlords in Washington really want another war front to ostensibly "defend an ally", simultaneously.

    It makes more sense that the Israeli warlords saw an opportunity for mayhem to further their agenda, and took it. They probably calculated that Russia is too busy with Ukraine and NATO to provide any kind of support to Iran. The Israelis know that they might get scolded, but no other negative consequences. Israel is, in my mind, the most likely nation on Earth to use nuclear warheads on its enemies, and may be trying to goad Iran into a military response so that they can then retaliate with nukes - the same basic MO as Israel's destruction of Palestine and genocide of Palestinians. It makes perfect sense to me that the Israelis would use the USA, Inc./NATO war against Russia strategically to their advantage.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    ...

    ... From Jim Stone:
    EXPLOSIONS REPORTED ALL OVER IRAN. IRAN HAS TAKEN WAR FOOTING

    UPDATE: This is, for the time being, getting censored in the MSM. However, I checked PressTV and it is indeed legit. PressTV is playing it down, claiming "they successfully repelled a drone attack in Isfahan," but I think ALL DRONES delivered their payloads and simply flew off. A LOT MORE than a military depot in Isfahan is in ruins.

    Let me dispel a little B.S: If the drones hit their targets, they were not "successfully repelled", when there's no ammo left why stick around?

    I recently posted about the latest Israeli nuke bomb scare against Iran. The CIA director just left Israel, and then tshtf. America/Israel are attacking Iran, no ifs or buts but it is not "official", it is probably going to be just like ISIS.

    UPDATE: Iran is under a full scale drone attack with numerous military targets hit.
    I'm not convinced that the USA, Inc. gave Israel "permission" to attack Iran. The attack was well within the typical modus operandi of the Israelis/IDF/Mossad. The USA, Inc. is borrowing billions of dollars from China to funnel through the American military industrial complex and military and then into Ukraine. The USA, Inc. is flat broke and in debt for eternity. I can't believe that the warlords in Washington really want another war front to ostensibly "defend an ally", simultaneously.

    It makes more sense that the Israeli warlords saw an opportunity for mayhem to further their agenda, and took it. They probably calculated that Russia is too busy with Ukraine and NATO to provide any kind of support to Iran. The Israelis know that they might get scolded, but no other negative consequences. Israel is, in my mind, the most likely nation on Earth to use nuclear warheads on its enemies, and may be trying to goad Iran into a military response so that they can then retaliate with nukes - the same basic MO as Israel's destruction of Palestine and genocide of Palestinians. It makes perfect sense to me that the Israelis would use the USA, Inc./NATO war against Russia strategically to their advantage.
    Here a snippet of phone footage from Tehran last night. Anti aircraft fire.

    It's at the top of Jeff Rense's front page, I can only LINK to that.

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    • Ukraine is being Demolished by Massive Russian Offensives:

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    MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE 30 JAN, 20:36

    British mercenaries who trained Kiev’s forces in maritime sabotage eliminated in Ochakov

    The impact resulted in the destruction of life support systems and dock infrastructure

    GENICHESK, January 30. /TASS/. British mercenaries who provided Ukrainian forces with special training in sabotage in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, have been eliminated by a Russian strike at the Ukrainian Navy base in Ochakov, a security agency representative told reporters Monday.

    "Tonight, an artillery strike was carried out at the Ukrainian Navy base in the settlement of Ochakov (Nikolayev Region), where a unit of the 73rd Maritime special operations center is located. The impact resulted in the destruction of life support systems and dock infrastructure. The enemy lost: 3 automobile vehicles, 14 militants eliminated and 7 injured. […] The eliminated militants include British mercenaries, who provided special training for the Ukrainian military on sabotage actions in the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov," the representative said.

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