WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Open Minded Dude]

"It's the economy, stupid". USA wins, Europe and Russia loses. We pay a high price (gas price to be more exact).

The German government has suspended certification of Nord Stream 2 and it is questionable whether the pipeline can ever come online. This is a victory for the USA, which wants to prevent Nord Stream 2 and sell its more expensive fracked gas in Europe. But it also means the end of supply security in Europe and, of course, billions in compensation payments for the federal budget. But let's take it one step at a time.

The victory of the USA

The champagne corks are certainly popping in Washington at the moment, because Russia's recognition of the Donbass republics is like a Christmas present for the USA. The U.S. skillfully backed Russia into a corner until Russia had no choice but to recognize the republics. But that should not be the topic here.

Why the recognition is a reason for the USA to celebrate is quickly explained, one only has to consider the interests of the USA. The geostrategists in Washington have already in the 90s issued the goal to separate Russia and Ukraine from each other, because according to Zbigniew Brzeziński, one of the most influential US geostrategists of the time, Russia with Ukraine is a world power, but without Ukraine only an insignificant regional power.

Keeping in mind the goal of separating Russia and Ukraine, the U.S. has been very successful since 2014. After the Maidan, Ukraine's radical nationalist governments cut economic ties with Russia to Ukraine's detriment, and Ukraine started the civil war in the Donbass by sending tanks instead of a negotiating delegation.

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Source (German): https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/nor...ngssicherheit/

(I use Deepl.Com as translator now since strangely Googletranslate now refuses to translate Roeper's website, an accident? I have my doubts.)

[Open Minded Dude]

Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y73OCZvgBlU

[indiana]

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y73OCZvgBlU

Excellent documentary, thanks! An eye opener.

[meat suit]

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
Just watched this as a premiere on my favourite alternative channel Nuoviso / Nuoflix.

This documentary from 2015 has just been made public by Nuoviso today. It is still relatively up-to-date although some political puppets are different today of course, no more Poroshenko or Merkel for example.

It is said in alternative groups to be the best documentary about what happened in Ukraine in 2014-15 and when the war started. It would have won journalistic prizes for sure if it had supported the Mainstream narrative.

For English speakers there is an English subtitled version (turn on translations but also automatic translation under settings) for most of the interview sections in German. Besides this, a lot of Russian and (I assume) Ukrainian is also spoken in interviews and original war footage and sometimes in interviews also English.

Warning: It is really hard stuff as it shows war atrocities and even dead children. It is done by an embedded journalist with the Donbass rebel army.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y73OCZvgBlU

Excellent documentary, thanks! An eye opener.

yes absolutely. I finally understand what is happening in that region.

[Zamolxe]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A screenshot from the RT livestream. These are flags and fireworks in Donbass... not mortar fire.

Let's show the crowd also, not only the sky.

More newscameras than people... Funny how they all seem to wear olive green jackets from the military store.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fz7OjYuGHNE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EI8J3tfH5HY

[ExomatrixTV]

• It’s Hard To Believe This Is Happening:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ivROLiLmnro

As Joe Biden escalates tensions over Ukraine, is this latest potential war being used to divert American public attention from government corruption and incompetence?

[Mashika]

"‘The government demands just one narrative’ – Peter Ford on UK asking Ofcom to consider banning RT"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bXZzNWMlauw

[jaybee]

Predictably all the newspapers in the UK have front page headlines ramping up aggression towards Putin and Russia - I'm not sure how much of it all the public are buying because a lot of people are wising up to the dangerous shenanigans of the Globalist Agenda driven MSM....

No sooner has the fear mongering about 'covid' died down a bit than they start on this .... it's quite possible that they (in my case the British Government re the UK) will get us all killed if they engineer a war with Russia and it escalates out of control -

Am I succumbing to the fear mongering?? - I'm not sure - the dangers are real - more bloody real than any flu virus hyped through the roof -

[Bill Ryan]

The first few minutes of this new Fox News clip may be useful to many who'd appreciate a simple, crystal-clear presentation of the geography of the area, and (assuming this is accurate, which it probably is) of the location of Russia's forces and the huge strategic advantage that they have.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UX6tsSE1rwU

[indiana]

Workers Party broadcast with George Galloway discussing Ukraine/Russia

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hbQfs-kTyAk

[Bill Ryan]

By the way: readers engaged in this pretty important (and potentially confusing) topic may also appreciate Wade Frazier's comments on his own thread, the most recent being this one, posted a few minutes ago. Recommended.

[Hermoor]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Predictably all the newspapers in the UK have front page headlines ramping up aggression towards Putin and Russia - I'm not sure how much of it all the public are buying because a lot of people are wising up to the dangerous shenanigans of the Globalist Agenda driven MSM....

No sooner has the fear mongering about 'covid' died down a bit than they start on this .... it's quite possible that they (in my case the British Government re the UK) will get us all killed if they engineer a war with Russia and it escalates out of control -

Am I succumbing to the fear mongering?? - I'm not sure - the dangers are real - more bloody real than any flu virus hyped through the roof -

I had many of the same thoughts running through my mind today.

The propaganda and fear mongering for war appears to be going through the roof in the UK. Not a good sign. At all.

On the other hand it may well all blow over just in time for the insane bioterrorists to catch a break whilst they seed the next wave of goodness only knows what.

[Hermoor]

[Mashika]

"Ukrainian president says he called Kremlin"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550401-zel...donbass-peace/

Volodymyr Zelensky claims he tried to reach Vladimir Putin over Donbass, but was met with silence

I wonder why...

Zelensky claimed that Ukraine is not, was not, and never will be a threat to Russians, but only wants the right to self-determination and security for itself.

But this is the opposite of what they have been doing for years, with all the claims and day by day threats, even going into the nuclear threat. I don't think he's fit for president if he can't keep the narrative straight for more than a day, just like the US government can't, with their talk of 'diplomacy' while they keep looking for ways to cause harm and hurt people in all possible ways no matter what, just to advance their plans to make everyone poor and dependant on US directions and control + fake help.

"The right for self-determination" is what drove the people in Donbass to reject the coup nazi government....

“We don’t need war, whether cold or hot or hybrid. But if an army comes at us, if they try to take away our country, our freedom, our lives and the lives of our children, we will defend ourselves,” he said.

Looks to me, word by word, like that's exactly what the people in Donbass has been doing all these years, since the US backed Nazi coup of 2014

With international diplomacy, it is well understood that the country who initiates the call, is the weaker positioned one. I don't know if Zelensky is aware of this, or if the bosses at the White House allowed this call at all. What was the purpose of the call? Looks very odd at this moment, as he doesn't seem to be in control of anything happening anymore

Perhaps, the army coup that has been rumoured before is actually becoming true, and he has realised that he's not truly in control and his life is in danger, that the Nazi army will take the country over and he will be left to the side by the US allies?

He's acting odd, why would he make such a call after all the things he has said the past days, and even his attempt at taking Russia out of the UN entirely?

Or perhaps is all fake, like the fake news about the 'any minute now' invasion that never happened

It does look like since there was no invasion, the US has changed the meaning of the word to mean "acknowledging Donbass republics is Ukraine's invasion", so now they can lie openly about "the invasion did happen just as we said".

Syria has also invaded Ukraine, if we follow the faulty US logic. Any country that acknowledges the Donbass republics has now invaded Ukraine

Hopefully the western public won't bite into this almost retarded rethoric , but there probably will be millions who do and start repeating it all over, sadly

[Vangelo]

My Daughter in Law's family lives in Kharkiv Ukraine which is 30 miles from Russian border. There are reports of tracer bullets and explosions.

Kharkiv is the 2nd largest city in Ukraine

[Mashika]

Posted by Vangelo (here)
My Daughter in Law's family lives in Kharkiv Ukraine which is 30 miles from Russian border. There are reports of tracer bullets and explosions.

Kharkiv is the 2nd largest city in Ukraine

Those are happening

But warning and FYI, a lot of videos from 2014 are being posted online, pretending to be "from current Russia's invasion of Ukraine" or related, this is not the case, there are no Russian troops around, so it's fake. Satellites, Ukrainian army plus people would had all to be blind through weeks as to not see an army coming into the city's direction

I don't know yet what's going on there but don't fall for the lies posted on the web, there's a lot of disinformation going on right now

[Mashika]

Have to add that it seems very suspicious that Zelensky "called" Putin, then ordered all flights to stand down, then these event occurs and now they are saying "rockets and planes are above Kharkiv

It's a very convenient sequence of events, and why did he land all civilian flights just before the attack happened? People are saying they hear planes flying above the city, how did that happen without any early alarm? Does Ukraine have an air force? They actually do, so an explanation is needed i supposed

Some reporters from CNN were posting first that they did not know what the explosions where, *on video*. Then the claim that planes were flying above were made, but this time, they don't have any video at all. This is also suspicious, why no video if you were filming already?

I find it very unlikely that you as a journalist were filming yourself talking and hearing explosions, then claim there are planes above and would stop recording entirely. Why do that?

[gord]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=84BRzgUaLgI

[Mashika]

Now there's confirmation something is truly happening

"Russia reveals strike targets in Ukraine"
https://www.rt.com/russia/550419-mod...rgets-ukraine/

Ukrainian military facilities are being hit by Russian precision weapons, the defense ministry said

The military said that Russia was not attacking Ukrainian cities, contrary to claims that say otherwise. Ukrainian civilians are not under threat, the statement said.

But don't believe all videos and stuff posted online, there's a lot of fakes and it will muddle the waters, i don't trust anything "official", and you should not at all as well

On telegram i read that the following have fallen already

Odessa
Mariupol

But this is not confirmed as far as i can tell, i can't find any info other than telegram channels talking about it

I read that the Mariupol patrols resigned their positions before anything had happened, they knew beforehand and just quit on the spot. But also again this is on Telegram channels and if anything i read that hours ago, way before these news came up

[Mashika]

Everything is so scripted, i don't know if you see it but i do. It's like a play

- Zelensky speaks up, then the US/UK follows with chest thumping
- Putin replies with more chest thumping
- Zelensky replies with more of the same stuff
- Here there goes Putin once again

This seems so perfectly calculated to the point that it looks fabricated, the timing of saying "all flights stand down" and then the attack comes. Did they previously agreed on time for this? Where is the Ukrainian Airforce? Vacation time? So odd

On Telegram, it is now being said that the entire Ukranian Navy is down, along with the main strategic points, so Ukraine is down and the soldiers in Donbass are retreating back to Ukraine with some fights here and there, but they are retreating otherwise. No Ukraine fighter jets are on the air and no navy is on the move, they seem to be completely grounded. Isn't this odd?

So it took 1 hour and a half to completely disable the Ukranian army, this is not logical at all, unless the army cooperated with this?

Has the Ukrainian army betrayed the government, maybe?