WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

**Ravenlocke** · 26th November 2022 21:51

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**Ravenlocke** · 26th November 2022 21:59

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**Michel Leclerc** · 26th November 2022 22:40

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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What a bittersweet revenge for the “Ossis” (the "Easties", the Germans from "East Germany”: the former German Democratic Republic, the "Communist bloc occupied Germany”) it would be that precisely they, after, once the German reunification achieved, having been plucked bare by the West German financial and economic elite and their representatives in the unified Germany (all their “communist” industrial conglomerates cannibalised and/or sold, their social protection system dismantled, their ex-communist/socialist political parties blackened as being "crypto-fascists” etc.)... that precisely they would lead in the push to get the American occupation force and their Rammstein fortress out... but in a way no wonder, because it is also they who got rid of the communist tyranny in the German Democratic Republic and dismantled the "Mauer” (the wall separating East and West Berlin)...

**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 01:49

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The videos at this link,

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**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 01:55

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**shaberon** · 27th November 2022 05:18

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It’s amazing to me that anyone, bearing in mind the utter confusion of war, can simply brush off these allegations as “BS”.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International?

Really??

**Bill Ryan** · 27th November 2022 14:23

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Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10081

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Memorial to beloved Gorlovka commander, Olga Kachura (https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/17093), killed August 3, 2022.

On August 4, while a funeral/farewell service for her was being held, Ukrainian forces bombed central Donetsk targeting the funeral and continuing shelling (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8001) the very city centre, killing 6 civilians, including an 11 year old rising star ballerina (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8079), her grandmother and her ballet teacher.

This is the Ukrainian terrorism (since 2014) which people like Olga were fighting, for the safety and future of the people of the Donbass.

Video of the memorial unveiling in Donetsk City 'Alley of Heroes'

Source: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10082

Bumping this with a repeat of my post from 4 August.

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Here's a short 4 minute video published just three weeks before Olga Kachura was killed.

It's worth watching simply because from this one can understand how the Russian/DPR forces are devastating the Ukrainian troops with sheer artillery firepower, spectacular (and frightening) to watch. One can see how they often retreat against orders, surrender, or simply flee.

Those shells and missiles are all aimed with precision. No-one anywhere near their targets would have a chance.

This video is all about the brutality of war, and the interview with Olga that I copied above — highly recommended — is about the humanity of at least some of the wartime leaders. This is the paradox.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=U6p86Ufl3nQ

**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 16:10

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**Gwin Ru** · 27th November 2022 16:12

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... quiz... can you point to where's Ukraine?

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**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 16:22

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**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 16:28

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**Ravenlocke** · 27th November 2022 16:37

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https://rebelion.org/ucrania-la-conspiracion-criminal/

Ukraine, the criminal conspiracy

A false flag operation, an "active disinformation" as it should be called. This is the genesis and history of the international provocation carried out by Kiev with the missile in Polish territory.

A crude operation of a government that knows that it can pass its propaganda as absolute truth, taking advantage of the censorship of the Russian media and the condescension of the West, which has completely disrupted the historical, military and political truth of the Russian operation in Ukraine.

American and Russian satellite studies were able to immediately detect the falsity of Kiev's claims, and Zelensky then tried a miserable reversal by talking about a "tragic accident" in an attempt to reduce the damage of the image, a real goal on his own goal.

There was no mistake: the Ukrainians fired a missile against Poland in an attempt to activate the mechanisms provided for in Articles 4 and 5 of the Atlantic Treaty, which provide, respectively, for the convening of the Atlantic Council at the request of a member State (art. 4) and the immediate military response of all in support of the member of the attacked Alliance (art. 5).

It didn't take much to unmask Kiev and discover its intention to hit Polish territory: the only thing needed was an expert in ballistics flanked by a common sense. The first would have shown that, given the absence of missiles with a boomerang trajectory, the one exploited in Poland, belonging to the Ukrainian armed forces, fell where it was thrown away. No matter how outdated and inaccurate the technology was, it could have been wrong but not completely reversed its course. Therefore, it was not aimed at Russian positions in the southeast, but rather and deliberately at Polish territory in the northwest.

The common sense counselor would add a consideration as simple as it is effective: who benefits from hitting Poland? Certainly not to the Russians, and for two obvious considerations. The first: Moscow has been immersed for months, parallel to the military field, in the search for a diplomatic solution to the conflict; a search that, in recent weeks, has led the United States itself to hold talks with Russian military high commanders and, at the same time, they are pressuring Zelensky to be willing to dialogue without unsustainable and unfeasible demands.

The second. The Russians were not born yesterday and are wary of extending the war scenario to NATO countries, since it is one thing that it supports the Ukrainian army and another is to start a formal and open war that, due to its territorial proximity to Russia, would quickly degenerate into both a conventional and a tactical nuclear conflict and, therefore, would start World War III.

Ukraine out of control

The Ukrainian attempt to drag the West into a total war against Russia reveals the sociopathic and criminal profile of a defeated regime. And although some media insinuate that Zelensky would be willing to negotiate, only that he lacks sufficient autonomy as a hostage to the military, it is likely that it is the politicians of Kiev, inextricably linked to the Nazi parties and the Azov military, who are playing both roles in the work. These are unscrupulous, corrupt and authoritarian businessmen, who emerged with the 2014 coup d'état that led to the nazification of Ukraine. Poroshenko himself, Zelensky's predecessor, said two days ago in a television interview that he had never intentionally respected the Minsk agreements: they only helped him to have 3 or 4 years for NATO to train and arm the Ukrainian army and make it the most fearsome in Europe. It is the same Poroshenko who said that his policy towards the Russian-speaking Donbass saw "our children at school and his children in shelters."

What happened has revealed the danger of the Ukrainian government, which, in order to obtain the direct participation of NATO or, failing that, a large increase in war supplies and money to continue an already lost war, has risked taking the planet to World War III. At the same time, the Ukrainian "stay behind" network begins to draw a panorama of difficulties in the control and management of combat for the United States itself, which continues to provide intelligence and satellite networks to provide the latitude and length of the objectives, but which begins to doubt being able to manage an army that has become a gigantic terrorist machine in which the chain of command is not clear.

From the elimination of the Ukrainian negotiator to the attacks in Russian border areas, through sabotaged gas pipelines and, now, uncontrolled reprisals, the management of the various Ukrainian military and intelligence fringes is becoming a problem within a problem for the strategy of reopening direct talks between Washington and Moscow and also poses serious problems in the more general perspective of NATO's internal reorganiz

There are precedents in the United States, such as having trained and armed the Mujahaidines in Afghanistan who later became Al-Queda or having trained those in Syria who later became Isis. Washington finances and arms to the militias of murderers in charge of supporting American interests everywhere, preferably in Asia Minor, the Balkans, the Caucasus and the Middle East: but then, in the face of the accumulation of forces, the different organizations intend to take for themselves the governments and resources of the places where they have defended Western interests. And so, in the face of a changing general picture, yesterday's useful "freedom fighters" become a "military surplus", an uncomfortable association that must be claimed and managed, to the point of being found as an enemy on the geopolitical board.

And if this is not necessarily bad for Washington, since it benefits from the continuous wars and reinforces its unipolar gendarme command, this is not how its European allies see it. For them, from the point of view of the effectiveness of the Atlantic Alliance, the Ukrainian issue should make them reflect on the incapacity of many NATO countries and those that aspire to be so in order to meet the fundamental requirement of the Atlantic Treaty, that is, to improve collective security.

Which, of course, is a rhetorical and propaganda demand, but indifference to the behavior of any individual member can cause damage to the national interests of other members, as was evident at the 2021 NATO summit in Madrid. Of the current member countries and those who aspire to be, at least eleven should be expelled or not admitted because they actively participate in the creation of insecurity within and at the borders of the Alliance, and many others because they are culpritly irrelevant.

Today's Ukraine is an example of this. NATO and the EU are conditioned by those who intend to promote and feed a continental war.

A war already lost

The situation on the ground for Kiev is dramatic. They proclaim certain victories, but half the country is already under the snow, without electricity and with little water, and the "general winter" has just arrived: it will hit hard between December and March and then it will be the tragedy. The Ukrainian army is disorganized and now only enters the areas that the Russians decide to abandon, although propaganda presents them as reconquerors. There is little help left, the international economic crisis does not allow much, and the fatigue of the US and EU governments due to Zelensky's arrogance does not induce further sacrifices. In the United States alone, Kiev has already received (officially, it is a conservative estimate) 17 billion dollars in weapons. To this must be added the approximately 15 obtained from Europe and the financing of mercenary battalions from Georgia, Great Britain, the United States, Australia, Canada and Spain. Some 30,000 decarcarvers at $1,000 a day who have supported all the so-called Ukrainian counteroffensives but who, nevertheless, have not managed to resume a single meter of territory occupied by Russia, except those that Moscow has decided to abandon.

For its part, indifferent to all propaganda, Russia continues to occupy 25% of Ukraine and it must be taken into account the unsustainability of Kiev's allies to supply more weapons, with the reserve arsenals of the different NATO armies already empty. Which, in a situation of high tension with Russia, prevents greater generosity.

Russia denounces the horror

Russia, for its part, has asked the UN to pronounce on an atrocious crime committed by Ukrainian soldiers against unarmed Russian prisoners who were arrested. On Friday there was a massacre of Makivka, in the Donbass. The images, reconstructed by The Guardian and confirmed by several reconstructions, show ten Russian soldiers taken as prisoners, whom Ukrainian soldiers order to put their hands behind their heads and lie on the ground. One of the men dressed in black stands behind them and kills them all by shooting them in the head. The images stop and resume with the fallen men lying on a lake of blood.

The Kremlin asked international organizations to investigate the execution, reminiscent of Nazi reprisals. The spokesperson of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Maria Zakharova, said that Moscow "has repeatedly drawn the attention of the international community to the cruel and inhuman treatment of the Russian military arrested by the Ukrainian side." Numerous evidence of the crimes has been ignored by the collective West, which supports Kiev in everything, and this makes American and European mentors complicit in these crimes."

We will see what the UN investigation discovers, assuming that there is still a Commission capable of investigating and assuming that the UN still exists.