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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    yea, the US propaganda is probably designed to look like a complete joke that most the world can see thru. They intentionally fund shady projects in ukraine to later be exposed by russia and reveal the evil US gov't for what it is. Most the world bands together to change the system in order to dethrone the US.

    *Excellent* - spoken in an evil tone.

    That could easily knock the U.S. down some notches. However, the big wake up call to Americans could really cause a shift in attitude. Hopefully the ego shrinks and people get pissed off and finally decide to focus on putting the country first. No more pissing money away around the world on nonsense. After feeling what its like for other super powers to be meddling in the U.S. affairs, we get uber conservative and protect ourselves with much self defense. Like a larger version of Thailand, that is very weary of foreigners infiltrating and manipulating.

    The U.S. could become even more driven and innovative if it is not on top anymore. Competition is high there, and I would think being in 2nd or 3rd or 4th place makes one more competitive than being in first for so long.

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    If that happens, the west will be brought tumbling down (certainly economically, at least), and many countries (like India, Indonesia, Brazil, Saudi Arabia) would hasten to form alliances and trade/economic agreements with Russia and China.

    That could cleave the planet in half militarily, economically, and in terms of sourcing every kind of commodity (wheat, oil, minerals, and everything else). It'd be the end of the road of the petrodollar, and the US as a major influential nation.

    My personal guess is that this is being done under direction of the globalists/WEF, because to implement the "Great Reset" they have planned and want to see, it'll be much easier if the "New World Order" looks like the one I've just outlined.
    What you describe, is partly what we want, or we should.

    The end of the cabal controlled petrodollar US Corp' global goon squad and it's militarily sculpted creations. They are in the process of trying to switch out from using that formulation of goonery to using a new formulation.

    They have China (at this point, maybe not all the way ) and nutjob mercenary groups scattered around and the billion dollar question is do they have Russia too. I think not.

    Russia coordinating with China and others a departure from the petrodollar doesn't affirm any comittment by Russia/Putin to the cabal new world order rebuild from this. It's just pragmatic stepping A to Z how we get out of the old system that's past it's expiry date already.

    The saboteurs going around kicking the props out from under everything may well be cabal assetes going about their great reset, sure, but they are only doing the job we all need doing, up to this point. Even if 'god himself' popped in to fix the world, he'd clear out the mess we've created . . .

    The system is going down, we all know that. We're not going back.

    From a "white hat" point of view ( and I'd define any higher positive energy anywhere in the universe as white hat ), why interfere with the crooks while they are getting the work done? It's only time to interfere when they have brought the world to a halt, causing maximum human engagement with the ongoing reality shift, and a time to take the job out of their hands completely, to rebuild.
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    Yes, he may be totally right. (And I hope to God he's not.)

    What Gonzalo is suggesting is that the very reason for the ever-present "Russians are losing!" narrative, that we hear from every pundit, politician and retired General in the mainstream, is that the PR ground is being prepared to make a False Flag chemical (or other WMD) attack convincing to the world.

    The narrative may be being crafted like this:
    1. The Russians are losing.
    2. So now they're desperate.
    3. So now they've done this desperate thing: a chemical or tactical nuke attack on a city (etc).
    This can be directly factored in with what I wrote a few hours ago:
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    All the signs (to me, and to many objective and well-informed analysts out there) seem to show that the US is deliberately trying to provoke a wider/larger conflict.

    If that happens, the west will be brought tumbling down (certainly economically, at least), and many countries (like India, Indonesia, Brazil, Saudi Arabia) would hasten to form alliances and trade/economic agreements with Russia and China.

    [...]

    My personal guess is that this is being done under direction of the globalists/WEF, because to implement the "Great Reset" they have planned and want to see, it'll be much easier if the "New World Order" looks like the one I've just outlined.

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    BREAKING NEWS: Numerous Russian Air Force Planes Shuttling People OUT of Moscow to . . . Ural Mountains!

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...ural-mountains

    UPDATE 10:41 AM EST --

    These aircraft are from Russian Special Detachment (RSD). They are now landing at various destinations in Russia, including Omsk, Ufa, Novosibirsk and Tyumen.

    3 of the planes heading east are Command and Control Aircraft.

    FWIW, the planes going to Ufa are landing at the exact location if going to the massive underground bunkers nearby.

    This is not good.



    UPDATE 12:38 PM EST --

    A large exodus of private jets out of Moscow towards Dubai this morning too. Looks like the uber-rich Arab oil Billionaires are high-tailing-it out of Moscow too.

    If any of us think by watching this conflict , Is this all you got? Remember 2 weeks ago when nothing showed up on radar and bang this Russian jet came out of thin air. Or that Ukrainian Officer who was a decorated jet fighter pilot was shot down from over 160 miles away by the Russians. My biggest fear is the underestimation of Putin, putting him in a corner started this with the direct threat of Nato Missiles at his border and all the bio labs targeting gene specific ethnics and probably the dam nazi factions too. Cutting off the water to Crimnea and wham he did not go into Ukraine to loose, not this time. We here in the states have a dementia riddled president with a non caliber vice president and god only knows who pulling the strings behind the scene. If the average US citizen only knew how the incompetency is behind the scenes nobody would sleep at night. I can only image whats going on. There are so many of us patriotic Americans here, veterans that are just saying what the hell are they doing ? And now the announcement of all this military hardware from the US to Ukraine. How about Biden get on a plane and fly to Moscow and get this thing calmed down. Don't see that happening, This is a game of chess now at the highest levels .

    There is a doctor here in town that when he was a kid, his dad worked for the kennedy administration during the US missile crisis , His dad told him if he ever got picked up by men in black suits to go home and stay at home which is exactly what happened one day at the baseball field . He said they picked up his dad and he said remember what I told you to his son. He stayed at home for 2 weeks. And we were so close to an all out war. Now its exactly the opposite !

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Yes, he may be totally right. (And I hope to God he's not.)

    What Gonzalo is suggesting is that the very reason for the ever-present "Russians are losing!" narrative, that we hear from every pundit, politician and retired General in the mainstream, is that the PR ground is being prepared to make a False Flag chemical (or other WMD) attack convincing to the world.

    The narrative may be being crafted like this:
    1. The Russians are losing.
    2. So now they're desperate.
    3. So now they've done this desperate thing: a chemical or tactical nuke attack on a city (etc).
    This can be directly factored in with what I wrote a few hours ago:
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    All the signs (to me, and to many objective and well-informed analysts out there) seem to show that the US is deliberately trying to provoke a wider/larger conflict.

    If that happens, the west will be brought tumbling down (certainly economically, at least), and many countries (like India, Indonesia, Brazil, Saudi Arabia) would hasten to form alliances and trade/economic agreements with Russia and China.

    [...]

    My personal guess is that this is being done under direction of the globalists/WEF, because to implement the "Great Reset" they have planned and want to see, it'll be much easier if the "New World Order" looks like the one I've just outlined.
    Katie bar the door. This is a critically dangerous and pivotal time. False flag or no false flag.

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    The Companies shown in this short video appear to have been found by searching for Biotech and Pharmaceuticals in the vicinity of Kiev at https://www.glassdoor.com

    Big Pharma in Kiev
    The only place a perfect right angle ever CAN be, is the mind.

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    ??????
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    https://twitter.com/ShadowEnvoy/stat...79968213934080


    https://twitter.com/PMudri/status/1504526542847848460
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    https://twitter.com/VittoriaPirone/s...39079361290240[LIST=1]
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    UPDATE 2:01 PM EST - from Hal Turner's site today

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index...ural-mountains

    From a source within the Diplomatic corps . . .

    For the past three days, Russia has been pulling one of a kind, proprietary, machine dyes and templates, and putting into deep storage, along with items of cultural value.
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    Putin Places Spies Under House Arrest
    March 11, 2022
    After two weeks of halting war against Ukraine, Vladimir Putin just suddenly launched an attack in a surprising direction — his beloved agency, the FSB.
    The Fifth Service of the FSB, Russia’s main intelligence service, has been targeted and the leadership placed under house arrest, according to the authors’ sources.

    Its head, Colonel-General Sergei Beseda, and his deputy were being held after allegations of misusing operational funds earmarked for subversive activities and for providing poor intelligence ahead of Russia’s now-stuttering invasion. The operation has hit serious obstacles, not least fierce resistance by the Ukrainian armed forces and the unity of the population, including most Russian-speakers, behind President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his government.

    The Fifth Service was responsible for providing Putin with intelligence on political developments in Ukraine on the eve of the invasion. And it looks like two weeks into the war, it finally dawned on Putin that he was completely misled. The department, fearful of his responses, seems to have told Putin what he wanted to hear.

    Beseda and his staff — officially known as the Service of Operative Information and International ties — oversee connections with foreign partners, including the Americans. Within it resides the infamous Department of Operative Information (DOI), which is essentially the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch.

    The FSB obtained a right to conduct operations abroad in the late 1990s, when Putin became director of the organization. The new directorate was formed and tasked with spying in particular on Russia’s nearest neighbors. It was at that time that the authors of this article began following the activities of this FSB unit, reporting on its activities for Russian and international media.

    When a series of popular uprisings known as the “color revolutions” started to topple the regimes in the post-Soviet republics, the directorate was tasked to promote pro-Kremlin politicians in order to keep those countries within Russia’s sphere of influence.

    In 2004, that directorate became a full department, the DOI, a move underlining its importance in the eyes of the Kremlin. Beseda soon became its head, having previously served in the FSB section supervising the Administration of the President, where he had established excellent connections. Officers of DOI were spotted traveling to Belarus, Moldova, and Abkhazia, a breakaway region in Georgia whose separatist insurgency was supported by the Kremlin. There they spied and also tried to influence local politics.

    But Ukraine was always one of the key targets for the DOI. In June 2010, the authors received information that a website was being launched to leak sensitive documents from the FSB. The website was hosted on the domain name lubyanskayapravda.com, "The truth on the Lubyanka [the FSB headquarters building].”

    Sure enough, the site contained a trove of extremely sensitive documents, such as reports of DOI’s successful active measures operations, addressed directly to Putin. Most of them bore the signature of Col-Gen Beseda.

    Among the documents was one that had been forged to undermine the relationship between Ukraine and Turkmenistan; it was a faked report of the Ukrainian security services suggesting Kyiv had funded the Turkmenistan opposition. The DOI had then leaked the report to Ukrainian media, and Russia’s main foreign spy agency, the SVR, swallowed the bait and described it as authentic in a write-up to the Kremlin — proof, as Beseda gloatingly relayed, that his Russian intelligence service had duped another Russian intelligence service.

    It was a mishap, but worse was yet to come: in April 2014, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry sent a request to its Russian counterpart to question Beseda. It said the FSB officer had been in Ukraine on February 20-21 of that year, during the Maidan Revolution, when regime scores of unarmed protesters were shot dead. The Ukrainian government believed it was important to speak to him “in the framework of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings on the crimes committed during mass events in Kyiv in [that] period.”

    The FSB confirmed that Sergei Beseda was indeed in Kyiv on those days. But it claimed he was there to determine ensure the Russian embassy was properly protected, a version that very few Ukrainians accepted. Since 2014, Beseda has been on US and European Union sanctions lists. The FSB was “involved in the funding and supporting of separatist activities in Crimea and eastern Ukraine,” the US Treasury Department stated.

    The Fifth Service emerged unscathed despite the scandal – Beseda’s people remained in charge of supplying intelligence on Ukraine, developing sources on the ground, and conducting subversive operations.

    It seems that protective umbrella has now been withdrawn.

    Irina Borogan and Andrei Soldatov are nonresident senior fellows with the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA.) They are Russian investigative journalists, and co-founders of Agentura.ru, a watchdog of Russian secret service activities.
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    Regarding a speculated 'internal power struggle' going on in Russia at the moment.. ^^^ {#1467 + 1470}

    I would expect Russia to be infiltrated by the NWO / Globalists / WannaBe World Dictators collaborators etc etc like all the other countries of the world - and as this whole situation in Ukraine is a huge confrontation between the Globalists and Russia - I expect moves are being made internally by the Russian collaborators - and maybe those who have been maneuvered into top influential positions are increasing their 'work' for the NWO and at the same time are exposing themselves...

    ???
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    Sorry I have just seen a Ukrainian MP stating that she is in uk to build a non NATO intervention coalition that she hopes will fight Russia in Ukraine - led by the UK but including Lithuania , Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Slovakia .

    At the same time we are now finally hearing that Russia Ukraine talks are getting closer to bearing fruit.

    The western attempts to escalate , inflame and provoke continue . Maybe Zelinsky is playing for time while a horrendous false flag is prepared - that would be intended to drag this new coalition into the war. It appears that it is the UK that has been selected .
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
    https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...94046073225216

    Putin Places Spies Under House Arrest
    March 11, 2022
    After two weeks of halting war against Ukraine, Vladimir Putin just suddenly launched an attack in a surprising direction — his beloved agency, the FSB.
    The Fifth Service of the FSB, Russia’s main intelligence service, has been targeted and the leadership placed under house arrest, according to the authors’ sources.

    Its head, Colonel-General Sergei Beseda, and his deputy were being held after allegations of misusing operational funds earmarked for subversive activities and for providing poor intelligence ahead of Russia’s now-stuttering invasion. The operation has hit serious obstacles, not least fierce resistance by the Ukrainian armed forces and the unity of the population, including most Russian-speakers, behind President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his government.

    The Fifth Service was responsible for providing Putin with intelligence on political developments in Ukraine on the eve of the invasion. And it looks like two weeks into the war, it finally dawned on Putin that he was completely misled. The department, fearful of his responses, seems to have told Putin what he wanted to hear.

    Beseda and his staff — officially known as the Service of Operative Information and International ties — oversee connections with foreign partners, including the Americans. Within it resides the infamous Department of Operative Information (DOI), which is essentially the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch.

    The FSB obtained a right to conduct operations abroad in the late 1990s, when Putin became director of the organization. The new directorate was formed and tasked with spying in particular on Russia’s nearest neighbors. It was at that time that the authors of this article began following the activities of this FSB unit, reporting on its activities for Russian and international media.

    When a series of popular uprisings known as the “color revolutions” started to topple the regimes in the post-Soviet republics, the directorate was tasked to promote pro-Kremlin politicians in order to keep those countries within Russia’s sphere of influence.

    In 2004, that directorate became a full department, the DOI, a move underlining its importance in the eyes of the Kremlin. Beseda soon became its head, having previously served in the FSB section supervising the Administration of the President, where he had established excellent connections. Officers of DOI were spotted traveling to Belarus, Moldova, and Abkhazia, a breakaway region in Georgia whose separatist insurgency was supported by the Kremlin. There they spied and also tried to influence local politics.

    But Ukraine was always one of the key targets for the DOI. In June 2010, the authors received information that a website was being launched to leak sensitive documents from the FSB. The website was hosted on the domain name lubyanskayapravda.com, "The truth on the Lubyanka [the FSB headquarters building].”

    Sure enough, the site contained a trove of extremely sensitive documents, such as reports of DOI’s successful active measures operations, addressed directly to Putin. Most of them bore the signature of Col-Gen Beseda.

    Among the documents was one that had been forged to undermine the relationship between Ukraine and Turkmenistan; it was a faked report of the Ukrainian security services suggesting Kyiv had funded the Turkmenistan opposition. The DOI had then leaked the report to Ukrainian media, and Russia’s main foreign spy agency, the SVR, swallowed the bait and described it as authentic in a write-up to the Kremlin — proof, as Beseda gloatingly relayed, that his Russian intelligence service had duped another Russian intelligence service.

    It was a mishap, but worse was yet to come: in April 2014, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry sent a request to its Russian counterpart to question Beseda. It said the FSB officer had been in Ukraine on February 20-21 of that year, during the Maidan Revolution, when regime scores of unarmed protesters were shot dead. The Ukrainian government believed it was important to speak to him “in the framework of pre-trial investigation in criminal proceedings on the crimes committed during mass events in Kyiv in [that] period.”

    The FSB confirmed that Sergei Beseda was indeed in Kyiv on those days. But it claimed he was there to determine ensure the Russian embassy was properly protected, a version that very few Ukrainians accepted. Since 2014, Beseda has been on US and European Union sanctions lists. The FSB was “involved in the funding and supporting of separatist activities in Crimea and eastern Ukraine,” the US Treasury Department stated.

    The Fifth Service emerged unscathed despite the scandal – Beseda’s people remained in charge of supplying intelligence on Ukraine, developing sources on the ground, and conducting subversive operations.

    It seems that protective umbrella has now been withdrawn.

    Irina Borogan and Andrei Soldatov are nonresident senior fellows with the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA.) They are Russian investigative journalists, and co-founders of Agentura.ru, a watchdog of Russian secret service activities.
    Why should we believe this? Why should we believe anything we are being told? Conflicting, contradictory and inconsistent “news” or reports as all we ever get.

    The global elite are going to say and do, or not say and not do, whatever they please.

    They are in this for themselves and no one else. We are nothing but vermin, useless eaters and cannon fodder to them.

    Human life is the cheapest and the most expendable, renewable and malleable commodity on this G-d forsaken planet.

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    WW3? Ukraine/biden vs. Dunbass/Russia.
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    https://twitter.com/chunterkap/statu...83757203480579


    Kremlin arrests FSB chiefs in fallout from Ukraine chaos
    The defenestration of several senior spies is a sign of Putin’s growing fury towards the intelligence services
    A Russian spy chief is said to have been placed under house arrest in a sign that President Putin is seeking to blame the security services for the stalled invasion of Ukraine.

    Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch, was arrested with Anatoly Bolyukh, his deputy, according to a leading expert on the Russian security services.

    Andrei Soldatov, who is co-founder and editor of Agentura, an investigative website that monitors the FSB and other agencies, said that sources from within FSB had confirmed the detention of both men.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...haos-92w0829c5

    https://twitter.com/DrPippaM/status/1504585656009474060


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    • Kamala & Pelosi Embarrassing Attempt To Explain Ukraine:

    If you noticed, during Kamala Harris' child-like explanation of Ukrainian and Russian relations; she still didn't answer the question, which was, "How can this directly affect the people of the United States."
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    What do we think about this apparently bi-partisan intent to provide Ukraine forces with increasingly sophisticated killer drones, jet fighters and Patriot style anti-missile kit so the can generate their own 'No Fly Zone' over the country?

    In military terms, those are called "marshmallows for the fire".

    It's old junk! The whole Vietnam "war" consisted mostly of:

    dumping old ammunition.


    The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was allowed because that part of the Pacific Fleet hade been determined as so expensive to overhaul, so it was scuttled.

    This is not like WWII where every railroad in Germany was bombed, leading to the decline of most of the prisoners. Send everything right on in!

    We are trying to pay to get them to use up some junk and experiment with a new "smart bomb". That's called "business". That's why Yemen doesn't stop. $650B industry in one year alone. Do you think vaccines come anywhere close to that??

    The "business" is just that, we don't care who you kill with it, or, if you get yourself killed. Use up the old stuff and buy our new product!

    Russia lacks this kind of "business". Ukranian Armed Forces will fail to be a "repeat customer".

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    That is interesting there is talk about course changes and flight-from-Moscow. I don't know what Zone A says usually. Nothing about that off the Russian desktop. It stays on topic such as bioweapons:

    The Russian Ministry of Defence has released fresh details about the US military-funded biolabs operating in Ukraine, including a trove of original documentation. The MoD also revealed that Joanna Wintrol, the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency's liason officer at the US Embassy in Kiev, has been serving as one of the programme's curators.

    Kirillov shed light on a major project worth tens of millions of dollars and involving Ukraine's top biolabs. The research, known as Project UP-8, was "directed at the study of pathogens of Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever, leptospirosis and hantaviruses," according to the RCB Defence Troops chief.

    "One of the curators of this activity was DRA Chief Joanna Wintrol. Perhaps she should speak to journalists?" Kirillov suggested.

    Ukrainian biolaboratories were also the main executor of Project P-782, conducting research into the transmission of diseases through bats.



    Nevertheless there is a bunch of inaccurate thinking involved, and, the reason kind of bubbles up within an article that otherwise seemed not very good about Russia "losing" PR to the west which is nothing new. They went through decades of having about five stations while "western media" took over "everything". They always have been outnumbered about 100 : 1 in terms of this. The problem as I see it is that Russia does not exactly have a position:



    Both Russian and Western elites do not want to seriously talk about the economic/political aspects of socialism – of any variety – whatsoever. This is because post-1991 both regions’ elites began to wrongly take for granted that Socialist Democracy is a failure (China has emphatically disproven this, thankfully) and thus Russia adopted many aspects of what I term “Western Liberal Democracy”. I can list a half-dozen synonyms: liberalism, neoliberalism, ultra-liberalism, English parliamentarian oligarchy, Western democracy, Nali-ism, etc. It all comes down to the same thing: liberalism, which is the ideology that emerged after the downfall of absolute monarchy in 1789 and before the establishment of socialist democracy in 1917.

    The West is fighting for Western Liberal Democracy, and thus they do not permit honest discussion and honest critiques of Western Liberal Democracy. This explains why there is no admission regarding the historical reality that Nazism and 1930s European fascism won power precisely because so many people realised that Western Liberal Democracy was nothing but awful oligarchy. Most of Russia does not understand this either – not since 1991 – and thus they are stuck between aping Western Liberal Democracy and rejecting Socialist Democracy.

    Putin definitely doesn’t want to talk about socialism honestly – or even acknowledge its achievements in Russia – because socialists are not just an ideological rival but an actual political one, unlike in the West: The Communist Party is the main opposition party in Russian parliament. Clearly, Western Liberal Democracy still has plenty of detractors in Russia.

    But Putin is thus at an absurd and contradictory place in his political outlook: He wants to oppose Western Liberal Democracy’s surprising counter-attack on Russia with… more Western Liberal Democracy in Russia?



    So in this theory of "-isms", you are only allowed three, Monarch-, Social-, or Capital- (by many synonyms).

    That is what is fundamentally flawed because no one is paying any attention to the early American government, which proves that this "triangle" is unnecessary. They don't notice a change until 1789 meaning the French Revolution. But the outcome of this was *not* the same in a legal sense.

    As blanket terms, China is a Social- which Rothschild does not like, and now, Russia is a kind of drop-out at least from western handshake Capital-, but in the long run it probably just begets Russian-themed Capitalism. So what is going on is much more Nationalistic than it is Revolutionary.


    It may seem odd, but, the only time I know of in the modern world that the legal apparatus of Capitalism was removed was by Hjalmar Schlaft in the Third Reich. Same thing that Kennedy perhaps was killed for, maybe along with many other mitigating factors such as how to get up some work for the D. O. D. and its cronies.

    You are not going to get some new Russia with Lawful Money. It will be a type of Capitalism that highly prizes having its own resources and the ability to decide how it interacts with other countries.


    That kind of Nationalism is not possible here. In the past few weeks I have noticed a lot of personal remarks from Serbians and others of that ilk who talk to English people or live abroad, etc., and the generality that comes in from everywhere is that the Slavic world overall is highly surprised that most Anglophones do not really talk to their family, their neighbors, or even most of their friends. Well, that is the Fabian Society at work, that is the London School of Economics. Must be "working" to some degree.


    The FSB might have been compromised by that. Russia is tough but she is not invulnerable! She takes the hits. In the long run you will find something which, I think, will be almost the total opposite of the Fabians, but, it will still permit some of the legal and monetary aspects they have provided.

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