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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly

    Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different


    The equipment you pictured we call "alterlery"


    and yeah, some of those shells are much bigger than tank rounds, so i with draw my shell question
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Here you go, it's fun and crazy, and you can't truly shoot it more than 20 or so times in a day or your brain will turn into jelly

    Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different


    The equipment you pictured we call "alterlery"


    and yeah, some of those shells are much bigger than tank rounds, so i with draw my shell question
    Is just that we have mobile 'mortars', which are basically 122mm shells, but we also have the usual mortars just like the ones the US use

    But check this, both the D-20 and the D-30 howitzers have the same design flaw, so every single time you shoot one of those, you get hit badly, so here's some points about that

    - The skull of a younger person (18 or below) is not as developed as an older adult, so the hit from the gun bounces your brain a lot more than someone 25 or 30 or so
    - Resilience from an older adult also helps a lot (i could not handle 40 rounds per hour, but someone 25 to 30 years old definitely could). And the D-30 can shoot between 40 to 70 rounds per hour tops, but it depends on who is handling the gun obviously. Anyone could shoot 40/100 rounds in a day, but doing that for weeks and with a slim body and a slim skull will cause you several side effects in the long term



    Compared to getting hit by that every time you shoot, being inside a tank must be easy, you don't get hit by the explosion the same way, from what i have seen at least

    There are these mortars that work as a towed howitzer, so the line between that and a regular mortar is kind of very thin



    For regular mortar, we used Podnos, light enough for us to handle, but strong enough to cause real damage



    The combination of D-30 in the anti-tank configuration and the Podnos is very effective, you can take down a BMP or even a T-72 with the D-30, they explode like squashed bugs lol, and the Podnos is very very effective against infantry, specially when unloading from a BMP or other APCs

    Kind of getting carried away now lol
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    Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years ago

    He thinks he 'came up' with this brilliant idea that is basically the Minsk-2 agreements that Ukraine refused to implement and threw away

    Elon Musk forgot one key point: What are we going to do to prevent the massive cleansing, and who's going to bring justice to the around 20,000 ethnic Russians that were already killed by Ukraine?

    As said, he may be very smart for tech and business, but he lacks a lot in the side of geo politics and war, he should spend more time learning and getting involved

    I wonder how he feels about helping Ukraine map locations with the Starlink satellites, so they can use HIMARS rockets against civilian targets every single day, isn't he bothered by it? Is he naive, or just badly disinformed?

    "Elon Musk sparks backlash from Ukrainian officials with unsolicited ‘peace’ plan"
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/03/t...ets/index.html

    There's a reason why artists, celebrities and other groups of people should remain away from these kind of topics, they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place

    He probably thinks he is saving lives in Donbass by allowing the Ukrainian army access to the Starlink satellites and giving them mobile access points. He has no clue
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    they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place
    or, in the middle of a 8% stock price down day following (what he probably assumed would be a very well taken) AI day and "missed deliveries" numbers (even though they have stopped accepting preorders on the most popular models and raised prices several times due to demand which is not even counting the ~3mil cybertruck pre-orders (I'm one of em)); maybe he trolled as he always has... this guy knows how to push just far enough to cause "free press" but not hard enough to alienate.

    I'm not sure either way, but I think there's a case for both, the timing is ridiculously accurate.


    also: I'd say this is potentially (ok, probably) worse than being misinformed and making stupid statements... so don't view the above as an endorsement of behavior, just noticing interesting things.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    they usually have no clue what they are talking about. And they lack the will to truly understand the problem in the first place
    or, in the middle of a 8% stock price down day following (what he probably assumed would be a very well taken) AI day and "missed deliveries" numbers (even though they have stopped accepting preorders on the most popular models and raised prices several times due to demand which is not even counting the ~3mil cybertruck pre-orders (I'm one of em)); maybe he trolled as he always has... this guy knows how to push just far enough to cause "free press" but not hard enough to alienate.

    I'm not sure either way, but I think there's a case for both, the timing is ridiculously accurate.


    also: I'd say this is potentially worse than being misinformed and making stupid statements... so don't view the above as an endorsement of behavior, just noticing interesting things.
    There's very little wiggle room in this case

    - If he knows what's going on and how the Starlink network is being used, and he remains calm about it and makes no changes, then what kind of person he is?
    - If he doesn't know, and is being naive and clueless about the reality over there, then also what kind of person he is, that he fails to get properly informed and plays around with the lives of thousands of people, just because he can't bother to learn more about the actual situation on the ground?

    I don't know, but things don't look good either way
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    - If he knows what's going on and how the Starlink network is being used, and he remains calm about it and makes no changes, then what kind of person he is?
    there is no way in reality that the starlink constellation did not have the DoD's stamp of approval (probably due to use agreements). Unless I'm missing something, the fact that this hasn't been brought up to "out him" by the MSM just lends so much credibility to the theory IMO, that would be an easy "fear porn" topic...

    ie: controlled opposition style, like Ron Paul (who accomplished exactly zero meaningful things over decades in congress).


    Maybe I'm just becoming a bit too much of a cynic.
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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of mariupol:



    Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:




    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...grozny_during/

    https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-gr.../26733810.html

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    I think Elon is genuinely naive, this comes across in many of the interviews and appearances I have seen him in, he reminds me of a clever private school boy, gifted in his creative vision, but immature and lacking in worldly wisdom, it is no surprise he doesn't understand politics or the true scale of what is going on here

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    The Big Picture (IMO) is that the Globalist Elite who have control of NATO and are embedded in Military organizations around the world...... don't want a peaceful solution...

    No, but from the U. S. there are two different trends which may appear the same from the outside.


    One side is similar to the Truman Doctrine --> General MacArthur --> Rand Corporation and so on and is generally Republican. Far more interested in a big pork barrel defense industry than an actual hot conflict. Enough tension to scare people is good. This strategy generally favors the U. S. as the #1 player who therefor dominates the U. N.


    On the other hand, those Hawks who are closer to PNAC are far more interested in disassembling and overthrowing countries. This view says it is fine to essentially cast governments to the side so that businesses can exploit resources and populations without oversight. Similarly it is more interested in the U. N. and similar organizations having power over the U. S. as a vassal part of it. Again even in recent years, Hillary Clinton called the CFR her "boss" and there is nothing new or different here.


    Because the country is neither "a Republic" nor "a Democracy", these are Pharasaical twists which were intended to be prevented at all possible costs.



    Quote In a nut shell... from their point of view - you can only have a One World Government and Global Digital Currency -- you can only have total control of everything if eventually all countries are participating...


    The preferred resolution here is voluntary servitude.

    Also in recent years it is correct the Jesuits remain staunch proponents of One Currency.

    Compliance, voluntary...do they have ours?

    Medicine, check. Wherever you find Rockefeller medicine, there it is. Whole lot of that. Billions of guaranteed funding.

    Resistance to other programs, such as NFL? Of course not. How about One Religion? It's true, you don't have to be Catholic...they will take you if you are into "anything Jesus".

    Unfortunately they are not known for a high opinion of the Orthodox.

    Not too long ago when I was learning about the English language, I found that "Pogrom" is a nineteenth-century Russian loan word, mainly designating events that had gone on in Ukraine since the 1600s.

    Those events were the aftermath of things that had happened around France and western Europe since around the 1200s.

    "Slave" is an eighth-century word, referring to a Slavic person as subject of a Frankish or Free person.

    Around the same era, it may be noted that even starting in the Crusades, these may have been attempts to remove Islamic governments from power; but most of the actual destruction targeted Byzantine, that is, Orthodox sites. Over the centuries, there are multiple instances of ethnic cleansing specifically against Orthodox communities across Eastern Europe, but, I am not sure we have a word for it.

    Poland just again asked for $1.3T from Germany as war reparations, including for the Bandera ones. Germany reminded them that the issue was concluded in 1953. Poland reminded them that it does not recognize the legitimacy of 1953 Poland.


    If anyone wants to begin to understand the English language, here in this thread we have been told a couple valid things by non-native speakers.

    Mashika says that the best way to read the news reports is that they are almost exactly backwards. Which unfortunately is true around the scenes of carnage, but, it more or less represents our language and artificial environment as a whole.

    Michel Leclerc said that stuff like this violates the essence of "Symbol", something like the ability of words and actions to express ineffable truths such as love and so on. We wind up losing the ability with nothing to express.


    That seems to be how we are in a two-sided civilizational conflict. The unipolarity of the Anglosphere for the most part seems to have been given a bushwhacking. What was the first response? Disruption of the Nordstreams provides a "tremendous opportunity".

    Oh, and you just slip a 1T of TNT past the noses of these countries who at this very moment are bragging about their super surveillance. "Oh we can't tell you why our ship went dark there at the very moment" and stuff like that. No, what happens in the Navy stays in the Navy. I found a musical piece about a Russian guy going down the Baltic coast and then probably past Hamburg in the thirteenth century, something like Cunegonde where sometimes the adventure was pretty, but home is still home. That was kind of interesting but this is not. In the thirteenth century it rained a lot! If there was no one to kill, you would point your finger at nowhere and tell your horse to get going. What happened at Bornholm was probably not even possible until the IRA of the nineteenth century, and the pipeline was not ready yet. Plus that is too far from Ireland.

    In the hands of a state, I believe it is an act of war, and it is difficult to suspect minor actors here.

    I think some of the Mujahideen and various Khalqs and conscripts, maybe some Kraken or others develop some pretty dangerous methods, and I am still trying to take seriously the scenario of even a well-outfitted militia somehow doing that on the floor of the Baltic Sea.


    One tends to think bomb-in-place if it is true that two hits were detected; there were not multiple shots or strays. Such precision and power could hardly be achieved by anything other than modern naval weaponry.

    What is interesting about the populist accession of four Russian states is that if you don't like it, you get a month to figure out what to do other than become Russian. They apparently aren't forcing it over anyone.

    I am not sure how it may affect the legal status of the conflict. Ukraine moves at the speed of about a hundred deaths per kilometer whichever way they go. Given the 1,000+ km of contact line, it is inevitable they can mash at it here and there. That of course is more stuff that can be de-militarized.

    If the strike record of HIMARS is that so far it has killed an egregious number of civilians, that one probably comes under the operation "de-nazified".

    Meanwhile, U. S. Command sets up a special office in Germany to deal with Ukraine. They have managed to cough up another $12B for you.


    It is considered a good investment, since we have found schemes playing to the hands of Big Ag and Big Pharma. But we did not say much about Energy but isn't that where most of the Bidens' collusion comes in?


    And so the son was looking for a way out of the web, and so he was easily persuaded by a prostitute to leave off the computer. But you all knew that before it happened right?

    What an eerie lull about them and about everything Covid vaccine, which is probably at least tangentially related, since a few of the Chinese co-investors were also interested in the medical route. There are records about this since 2015 in Wuhan. But as we know there are strings of labs across "former Soviet states".

    This is exactly the stuff that, not that long ago, people like Kissinger could just bury and everything went to plausible denial. Now it is being acted out like Dante's Inferno. Which of course is a commentary on the same thing.

    If I understand correctly, in the Ukrainian area, Kievan Rus began as an original legal standard because the locals never stopped fighting and feuding. Over time, the Russian sphere migrated to St. Petersburg and Moscow, and then Ukraine has been used for cultural decimation one way or the other, over and over again. By "used", I mean frequently as a tool by someone on a quest for power.

    Due to its location, it has always been international in scope.

    It ought to be a western mirror of something like Tashkent or Samarkand, a major hub or nexus of the Silk Road. I am going to guess that one of the reasons it is not, is called "international conflict", and the other is the Suez Canal.

    Sounds horrible. I did not know anything like this was possible. Are they the "most gullible" about western-backed programs and propaganda? Or has someone ever actually taken a bigger chunk of bait on the hook??

    Last time I checked--and I didn't, because these kind of things have a way of coming up on their own--the Dollar is at an all-time low versus the Ruble, and the Pound is at an all-time low versus the Dollar.

    The Hryvina is valid in the four former Ukrainian provinces until the end of the year.

    A plebiscite of German, French, and maybe a few other centers of mechanized industry might find themselves having a new address in America, like the final act of Operation Paperclip.

    I am still having difficulty finding where any of it particularly benefits UK interests. Neo-nazis are again revealed in the British ranks, in a way they say...oh, there have only been notices of it since the 1960s. I mean it was only since the 1930s there was the British Union of Fascists. It just always seemed that the really bright idea was that when societies crumpled like tin cans, some of the aristocrats would remain perfectly pleased.

    Most of the suspicions and cui bonos I could come up with are something else. If there is something peculiarly British that is working out really well through all this, I must be missing it.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of Mariupol:



    Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:




    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...grozny_during/

    https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-gr.../26733810.html
    If you remember clearly, Mariupol:was the place where the Azov Nazi battalion and hundreds of NATO operatives holed up in the Steel factory, underground, also the Ukraine forces were using citizens as human shields, Ukraine forces were shelling this town incessantly while the Russian forces trapped them and forced their surrender, this was recent history - much of this devastation was Ukrainian caused, they refused to surrender for months, but attrition finally broke them, also the Russians are now re-building this town and offering its people peace and a somewhat normal life, I don't for one second beleive the western lies about this town, it was devastated by Ukrainian stubborness and ruthless cynical exploitation of its people, perhaps you did not see the ground level reports from Patrick Lancaster.

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    Default Re: WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of mariupol:



    Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:




    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...grozny_during/

    https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-gr.../26733810.html
    Oh no... lmao! "The Telegraph" is not a serious source, they are contaminated by the same bias as you are just now, they are sell outs!

    Let me point it out for you as you are clearly blind to the western propaganda

    See the image of the before is full of color, and then the after is almost black and white, why? It's a technique used by western media to show depressive scenarios and affect the perception of people watching the video or the images. This helps in showing how evil and bad the enemy is, how much sadness and destruction it brought that even the world looks gray and depressive

    It's used on clueless people, who eat it all blindly and then go run around making fools of themselves, here's a quick explanation of what's happening on that video of Mariupol.
    "The BBC "Wuhan filter" and perception manipulation for western people"
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...western-people

    And also, see how they avoided mentioning "Who" shelled the city that way, they specifically avoided saying 'after Russian shelling" and only say "the destruction left after the Russian invasion", you know why? Because they let you fill in the rest based on the bias you already have! And then avoiding directly saying "Russian shelling" prevents from being called out for lying their teeth off, also the reason why comments are disabled, they can't afford someone posting something that refutes the lies. You are being played badly and you can't realize it

    None of this would happen if you would spend more time learning how things work, instead of looking for self-confirmation and biased videos and articles that prove your deranged hate is the "right thing to do and feel"

    But no one will ever change your mind, you'll continue to look around trying to find more "evidence" that only shows how easy to manipulate you are

    Why don't you post videos from the people of Mariupol talking about who shelled them and what happened before the Russian/DPR army came? There are plenty, in fact, here's a full channel dedicated to show the people from Mariupol, receiving help from Russians, there are two actually, check them out, or most likely not, as you will look away for sure

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkd...whLhC8w/videos
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs7...kqC_qlA/videos

    "But i don't understand Russian!"

    You don't need to, the key points are basic:

    1. People are happy to receive help from Russian
    2. They don't run away in terror, instead the come willingly to the Russians and even chat and smile and give thanks, unlike what you see described in western media about "The horrors of Russian occupation"

    By the way, i'm still waiting for the videos that prove the Russian army shelled towns to the ground, real ones, not pre-fabricated ones like the Telegraph one you posted

    And this has nothing to do with Chechnya, that you had to go back into that just says you don't have anything to show to help the Ukrainian case. You are just helping clean up and wash away Nazi crimes, that's basically it

    And in that case, let's examine in detail all the stuff the US and allies did in up to 50 countries over the past half century. Let's start specially with this
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1267807.shtml


    Since you bring up Chechnya, i suppose you are all for justice and all that, right? So, are you going to demand explanations from the US about this crime against humanity that remains unresolved, even if we know 100% what happened and who did this?

    Let the waiting-forever games continue!

    ETA: Actually i'm very thankful that you posted this, thank you! It is the perfect example of western media propaganda and manipulation! This is a case study for real, because there's nothing better than a person directly influenced and manipulated by western media to come out and expose how it all works in real time, without anyone else's intervention. So in that way, thank you! Because you have exposed in plain view to thousands of people, how the propaganda and manipulation works on your side
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Ahh, in the US we call Mortars something much smaller and very different


    On this one, Mortar is the historical term for a large-bore fixed piece since the 1600s:


    ...even in the sixteenth century missiles weighing 100 or more pounds were not uncommon, and the 13-inch mortar of 1860 fired a 200-pound shell. The larger projectiles had to be whipped up to the muzzle with block and tackle.


    1788 5" Spanish bronze:





    They were so "fixed" that some English ones were just locked at forty-five degrees.

    The aspect of mobile artillery is what enabled the Swedish Empire to rapidly ascend to field domination and then rest in her--until now maybe--Strength through Neutrality.

    "Mortar" probably did not mean anything smaller than 5" until the twentieth century.


    However, today's weapon du jour is like this:


    STAROBILSK, LPR (Sputnik) - Ukrainian troops started using a new type of missiles for the US multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) HIMARS during the shelling of the Lugansk people’s republic (LPR), the LPR representative office in the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the ceasefire regime (JCCC) said in a statement on Monday.

    "They haven't used missiles of this type before. This is the second settlement where they have worked out this type of missiles. This missile, the M30, is fired from the M142 HIMARS installation. Prior to that, the LPR representative office in the JCCC recently recorded the use of missiles of this type in the city of Brianka, and today we are seeing the same picture in the city of Starobilsk," an officer of the JCCC Aleksey Getmansky said.

    Getmansky clarified that the new type of missiles is distinguished by the shrapnel form of the striking elements. Shrapnel shell consists of small diameter balls made of tungsten. This type of missile is designed to destroy "enemy manpower", but since the missile hit the center of the city with no military facilities, it means that civilians were the target, according to the officer.

    Earlier in the day, the LPR representative office in the JCCC reported that at 01:40 a.m. Moscow time (22:40 GMT), Ukrainian troops struck Starobilsk from the US MLRS M142 HIMARS, during which a kindergarten, three residential buildings and a local stadium were damaged.

    The high mobility artillery rocket system M142 (HIMARS) was developed in the US by the UK BAE Systems and the US Lockheed Martin defense contractors in the late 1990s, and has been produced since 2003. It is based on a three-axle wheeled chassis of the US army's family of medium tactical vehicles truck, and is capable of launching six rockets or one ATACMS surface-to-surface tactical ballistic missile. The effective firing range of certain types of projectiles is up to 80 kilometers (50 miles).

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    For those of you koolaid drinkers who think that the Ukrainian forces are the only ones targetting non-military targets, here's a video of Mariupol:



    Propaganda by the west you say. Here's grozni from the Chechnya wars:




    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...grozny_during/

    https://www.rferl.org/a/checnhnya-gr.../26733810.html
    If you remember clearly, Mariupol:was the place where the Azov Nazi battalion and hundreds of NATO operatives holed up in the Steel factory, underground, also the Ukraine forces were using citizens as human shields, Ukraine forces were shelling this town incessantly while the Russian forces trapped them and forced their surrender, this was recent history - much of this devastation was Ukrainian caused, they refused to surrender for months, but attrition finally broke them, also the Russians are now re-building this town and offering its people peace and a somewhat normal life, I don't for one second beleive the western lies about this town, it was devastated by Ukrainian stubborness and ruthless cynical exploitation of its people, perhaps you did not see the ground level reports from Patrick Lancaster.
    The contrast between reality and the media propaganda is amazing, this one for example, on this video, you can see the old buildings that were shelled on the background, and then in the front you see the new ones built by Russia after liberating Mariupol from the Azov



    And then this vicious malign "news report', which doesn't reflect reality at all, it a pure, hate filled lie



    Justplain did not found the video that shows the new buildings in Mariupol, sadly
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    Caitlin Johnstone | It's Only A 'Conspiracy Theory' When It Accuses The US Government | Oct. 4, 2022

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    The western political/media class has been dismissing as "conspiracy theories" all claims that the US is likely responsible for last month's sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, even while leveling the exact same accusations against Russia without ever using that term. Which probably says a lot about the way that label has been used over the years, if you think about it.

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    Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years ago
    Agreed. He's very smart, but being smart doesn't mean being truly intelligent. He's one of those very high IQ people, bolstered by his own success, who thinks he knows and understands everything around him. But he doesn't.

    ~~~

    Here's a new video from The Duran, now 16 hours old. (16 hours is a long time in the world these days!) Alexander Mercouris (who doesn't need Alex Christoforou at all, Alex being too wordy and clumsy and takes a huge amount of time to say very little) lays out the very interesting and important pivot point that Russia, and Putin too, are now balancing on.

    The big question is what happens next. Mercouris accurately points to the growing impatience and frustration in Russia (including from major figured such as Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, widely respected and who is becoming vocal and critical).

    Even the meticulous and protracted legal procedure to formally integrate the 4 regions into the RF is seeming like it's taking too long for those who are aware that people (e.g.) in Donbass, very very nearly now Russian citizens, are being killed every day. Many are saying: Send in the strategic bombers, FFS. Not this weekend, not tomorrow, but now.

    @Masha, I'd love to hear your view on this. Even with no audio, the video can be played at 2x speed reading the English captions like a text article. And you may only need a few minutes to get the general idea



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    Here's the video on YouTube:
    (dated 23 March 2022, a month after Russia's SMO began)




    originally posted by Viking here
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    Elon Musk may be very smart and all that, but he clearly is very ill informed about what's going on in Donbass since 9 years ago
    Agreed. He's very smart, but being smart doesn't mean being truly intelligent. He's one of those very high IQ people, bolstered by his own success, who thinks he knows and understands everything around him. But he doesn't.
    [...]
    ...

    ... maybe there is a direct angle which, I think, needs to be addressed about Musk... just look at how Biden is "portrayed" everywhere... yep, that's a "portrait" designed for everyone to see and - then - one needs to get one's hands on the producers of the show, the art directors, the casting director, the music and script directors, the set designers and the overall director... see?

    All-in-all, the whole credit list needs to be scoured since "they" are putting out that snuff film of their theatres of the global war... all compartmentalized into "scenes"?

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    I don't know if this is true or not (it most definitely needs confirmation), but it seemed interesting enough to report here.

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28256


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    Tucker Carlson, immense kudos to him, continues to tell it how it is, one of the very few well-known people featuring in US media who does so. (The others that come to mind are Joe Rogan — if he indeed counts in this category — and Tulsi Gabbard.)

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    https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/st...11499403624448


    https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/sta...08178760572933


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